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India and Pakistan under-reporting COVID-19 deaths

All countries are fudging up the true numbers because offering a transparent presentation of the facts will have serious political ramifications. The UK, Italy, China etc are all under-reporting the actual number of the people impacted by the virus. In the US the official death count is around 100k but most experts estimate it to be much higher than that figure. Politics is taking precedence over science and that’s a tragedy all on its own.
 
All you have to do is look at the number of excess deaths i.e. the number of deaths over and above the usual number of deaths for this time of year.
 
All countries are fudging up the true numbers because offering a transparent presentation of the facts will have serious political ramifications. The UK, Italy, China etc are all under-reporting the actual number of the people impacted by the virus. In the US the official death count is around 100k but most experts estimate it to be much higher than that figure. Politics is taking precedence over science and that’s a tragedy all on its own.

Italy under reporting?
Please explain.
 
Dont know about India but in Pakistan each day on average 8.000 people die.

Covid 19 is a huge challenge but Pakistan health wise has several other challenges. Wish that also would get some focus.
 
europeans are finding it hard to get to grips with the fact that their rich world has had more deaths than the poor world. Even if the deaths are under-reported they are less than the west. Also it is alot harder to hide deaths in Pakistan. This thing will kill a street of people not just the odd person here or there. we should be seeing mass burials like in the north of england.
 
Indians and Pakistanis also could care less to report a mild cough, plenty of other serious issues to deal with for the poor/working class in this region!
 
Lots of issues to deal with in both countries


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More than 900 children under the age of 10 have so far tested positive for the new coronavirus in Pakistan's southern Sindh province, as the country considers reimposing a nationwide lockdown to prevent the spread of the contagion.

Most of the children are asymptomatic and belong to poor families that live in cramped conditions, where physical distancing is almost impossible at home.

"These are all local cases where the children probably have gotten infection from some of their elders who had left the house who had gone somewhere or probably the family didn't practice the social distancing in a proper manner," Murtaza Wahab, the Sindh government spokesperson, told Al Jazeera.

"The reason why I am saying this is because since February 26 schools have been closed."

The province of Sindh has the highest number of cases in the country with at least 25,309 infections.

Local residents of low-income households say it is difficult to take safety precautions.

"Look at the situation we are living in, it's all solid waste, smell everywhere while the government is talking about hygiene and social distancing. How is it possible in a situation like this and how we can keep our children safe?" Abdullah Baloch said.

Since March, Pakistan's government has imposed varying degrees of lockdown in different provinces.

But in recent days, the government has loosened many lockdown restrictions, allowing smaller markets to reopen five days a week during daylight hours.

Prime Minister Imran Khan has maintained that a full lockdown is not economically sustainable for a country that was already in the midst of an economic crisis when its outbreak began in late February.

"It's a catch 22 situation where you if open businesses you put everybody's life into risk, to shut down businesses then there is economic downturn, so it's not an easy choice," Jamal Raza, director of the National Institute of Child Health, told Al Jazeera.

"It's a choice between the devil and the deep sea basically."

As of Friday, Pakistan had reported more than 64,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus and 1,334 deaths. At least 22,300 have so far recovered, according to government data.

The pandemic is already putting a strain on the country's daily wage workers, testing its weak health infrastructure and struggling economy.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ildren-10-sindh-covid-19-200529062729494.html
 
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WHO have already said that by mid July, Pakistan is going to be the worst hit with over 200k affected.

If you think that Pakistan is already in a bad stage then this is just the start as its going to get very ugly in the next month or so.

We can only hope that it's not as bad as being predicted but we can't see how it wouldnt.
 
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India records its biggest single day jump in cases with nearly 8,000 new infections and 265 deaths

More than a third of all cases are in Maharashtra, one of India's richest states

But despite the rising number of covid-19 cases, the government has been easing restrictions

The number of newly confirmed cases in India is growing dramatically day by day.

This is the biggest increase so far - but the day before there were, for the first time, more than seven thousand new cases; And every day for the previous week more than six thousand.

The apparent surge comes as India slowly emerges from its national lockdown, put in place in late March.

It's caused hardship, especially for migrant workers, stranded without wages. This month, the authorities have helped 10 million travel home.

Another complication is India's low testing rate - which leaves the full picture unclear.
 
Record daily death toll in Pakistan

Pakistan has reported 78 coronavirus deaths on Saturday, a single day record since the pandemic arrived in the country in March, the health ministry said.

The country has recorded 135 deaths in the past two days, and over 5,000 new cases, with health experts warning of a steep rise in the number of infections in coming days.

On Saturday, the number of confirmed Covid-19 cases reached 66,457, with 2,429 new cases detected in the past 24 hours. The number of total deaths from the virus has climbed to 1,396.

According to the health ministry statistics, the southern Sindh province tops the tally with 26,113 cases, followed by the northeastern Punjab province, where 24,104 people have so far been infected with the virus.
 
This virus is deadly to those who have vitamin D deficency, Pakistan and India both have sunny weather throughout the year thus very few people would have vitamin D deficiency?
 
Either the numbers are fudged, or it's a miracle that the numbers are not much higher.
 
This virus is deadly to those who have vitamin D deficency, Pakistan and India both have sunny weather throughout the year thus very few people would have vitamin D deficiency?

well South Asian women also have higher probability of anemia. Also Pakistani women don't go out much and are usually covered so don't get as much sun exposure.
 
ISLAMABAD: With the coronavirus situation worsening day by day, Pakistan conducted the highest number of 20,167 Covid-19 tests in a day as the authorities launched an operation against violators of SOPs (standard operating procedures) in various parts of the country on Thursday.

According to the data released by the National Command and Control Centre (NCOC) on Thursday, Pakistan conducted 20,167 coronavirus tests on June 3, the highest-ever number in a single day. A total of over 610,000 Covid-19 tests have so far been conducted in the country.

Pakistan, which has already surpassed China in terms of the number of Covid-19 affected persons, witnessed nearly 2,900 new coronavirus cases in the last 24 hours, taking the total tally to 86,139.

As many as 64 people lost their lives due to the pandemic in the last 24 hours, taking the death toll to 1,793.

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Minister for Planning and Development Asad Umar had last month expressed the view that the capacity of 30,000 tests per day would be sufficient for Pakistan to control the spread of the deadly virus.

PM’s aide acknowledges number of per day cases rapidly increased in last few days

“Currently, we are in a position to hold over 25,000 tests per day and with every passing day our capacity to conduct tests is increasing,” Mr Umar had stated, expressing the hope that they would be able to hold 30,000 tests per day by the start of June. He was of the view that 30,000 daily tests would be a sizeable number to ascertain the pace of spread and formulate future strategy accordingly.

When contacted, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister (SAPM) on Health Dr Zafar Mirza acknowledged that the number of per day cases had rapidly increased during the last few days.

“However, it is also a fact that Pakistan is a large country with a huge population. We are the sixth most populous country with 25 per cent population is under absolute poverty. Therefore, human interaction and proximity of living together are also very high,” the SAPM explained while highlighting the cause of the sudden rise in Covid-19 cases. He gave the example of Brazil and Mexico where, according to him, the conditions are the same as in Pakistan.

Dr Mirza expressed the hope that considering the trends in other countries, Pakistan’s graph would also straighten in the coming weeks or by the end of the current month. “It is observed that after such spikes, the number of daily cases starts reducing,” he said.

SOPs violations

The authorities started taking action against those violating the SOPs at public places in various parts of the country on the recommendations of the NCOC.

On Thursday, the relevant authorities imposed 727 lockdowns across the country.

According to the data released by the NCOC, 115 people were fined and 83 shops and 22 industrial units were sealed in Islamabad over violations of SOPs. Besides, 42 public transporters were fined for violating the SOPs.

In Gilgit-Baltistan, it says, 907 people were fined, 440 shops sealed and action was taken against 297 transporters. Moreover, 13 industrial units and four areas were sealed under the policy of ‘smart lockdown’.

In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, as many as 9,449 persons were checked, of which 3,553 were fined. As many as 525 markets/shops, 37 industrial unites and 16 transport terminals were sealed in the province. Moreover, 82 public transport vehicles were fined for the SOPs violations.

The handout issued by the NCOC, which holds daily meetings to review the situation under the minister for planning, says that telemedicine service is also becoming popular among the masses and 3,660 doctors have already signed up. So far, it says, 1,936 patients have consulted doctors.

The NCOC team comprising specialists/management experts will visit various areas of the country to assist local administrations in assessment or needs or requirement. Dr Faisal Sultan, the focal person for the prime minister on Covid-19, will lead the teams.

The focus of the NCOC session with the provinces on Thursday was on “SOPs, compliance, strict administrative actions being implemented and enforcement of various strands of track, trace and quarantine (TTQ) strategy”.

According to the Prime Minister Office, Mr Umar said the heart of the strategy to contain the risk of the contagion spreading was to ensure “SOPs compliance and enforcement of quarantine measures”.

Chief secretaries of provinces and of Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir informed the NCOC that strict administrative action had been initiated against those violating SOPs and social distancing in public places, markets, public transport and industrial sectors.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1561433/highest-number-of-covid-19-tests-in-single-day
 
Covid-19 growing but not exploding in India, Pakistan and other countries of South Asia: WHO

The number of Covid-19 cases in India has been doubling every three weeks but the epidemic is not growing exponentially in the country and South Asia region, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has said.

“In South Asia, not just in India, but in Bangladesh and [...] Pakistan and other countries of South Asia with large dense populations, the disease has not exploded, but there is always the risk of that happening,” Dr Mike Ryan, WHO's top emergency expert, told a news conference, according to Reuters.

WHO epidemiologist Dr Maria van Kerkhove said PCR tests can show a person with mild infection being positive for fragments of the virus 2-3 weeks after the onset of symptoms and those with severe cases “for much longer”.

“But we don't know what that relates to in terms of infectiousness, if somebody can actually pass the virus,” she said.
 
Officials say the number of confirmed cases of the coronavirus in India has now exceeded that of Italy.

The news comes as India takes further steps to ease its national lockdown, although tough measures remain in force in the worst affected areas.

India is steadily rising up the table of countries with the most cases. On Saturday, it reported nearly 10,000 new infections in the previous 24 hours - the latest high in a series of growing daily totals.

At the same time, the country is getting ready for Monday when many restaurants, shopping malls, offices and places of worship re-open.

India's testing rate is low; the real number of cases may be much higher. And there are concerns too about geographic spread as millions of migrant workers travel home from congested cities.
 
Both countries infection numbers are increasing rapidly, but death rates still being reported as fairly low.
 
The number of cases vs deaths ratio simply does not make sense.

Forget India, look at Russia!

I mean the mortality rate of virus does follow a trend. I can understand lessee toll but the mortality rate comparison of Italy/US vs India/Russia seem ridiculous.
 
Pakistan is testing 20k per day. That sounds really low
 
No they are not... it is quite a simplistic point of view that just because these countries didn't get the same potent strain of the virus that Italy/US got then obviously they are under-reporting deaths.

You could make a point about India/Pakistan and pretty much rest of the world under-reporting cases since no country has the capacity or ability to undertake massive large scale testing, but it VERY hard to under-report deaths, unless you are China ofcourse.
 
The number of cases vs deaths ratio simply does not make sense.

Forget India, look at Russia!

I mean the mortality rate of virus does follow a trend. I can understand lessee toll but the mortality rate comparison of Italy/US vs India/Russia seem ridiculous.
it is even less . Cases are not reported , deaths are. Pakistan and India are doing batter as far as mortality bis concerned.
 
This is an attempt by the West to spin the number who have allegedly died from C19 in the UK. Plus ethnic minorites seem to be more prone to the virus, hence the disbelief by the West.
 
Both countries infection numbers are increasing rapidly, but death rates still being reported as fairly low.

There is a lag from infection to death of about 10-20 days.

Death curve will increase too in a few weeks.
 
Veteran Pakistani journalist and former Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Najam Sethi has torn into Imran Khan government for instructing hospitals to under-report coronavirus deaths. On his official YouTube channel, Sethi has claimed that only 20 - 25 per cent of deaths related to COVID-19 are being reported in Pakistan.

"There is a gross under-reporting of official coronavirus deaths in Pakistan. Only 20-25 per cent deaths are being reported. This is being done as per government's instructions to the hospitals to under-report the deaths," Sethi said.

Speaking on the Imran Khan government's intentions behind this, Sethi goes on to say, "The government doesn't want people to know the real number of deaths because of the official policy of not going under strict lockdown. The high number of deaths is because of the government's decision to not inflict a strict lockdown."

"Causes of deaths are being reported other than coronavirus. For example, a person dies of coronavirus, they would report the cause of death as blood clotting or heart attack, with little regard to the fact that situation was reached at because the patient was suffering from COVID-19," he added.

He also said that a lot of people in Pakistan are not getting their tests done due to the fear of coronavirus, and because they don't want people to know that they are not observing quarantine properly.

As per Worldometer figures, Pakistan currently has 98,943 coronavirus cases and over 2,000 deaths. If this number is, going by what Najam Sethi says, 20-25% of the actual figure, the overall cases and deaths are far more than what Pakistan is portraying.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/wo...d-says-najam-sethi-imran-khan-covid-19-624164
 
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ISLAMABAD: Dr Faisal Sultan, the focal person on coronavirus for Prime Minister Imran Khan has said the downward trend of COVID-19 cases in the country is the main reason behind the daily drop in the number of tests being conducted in the country.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) has recommended Pakistan increase daily testing to above 50,000, but after peaking at 31,000 tests exactly a month ago, the South Asian nation tested less than 20,000 people on Sunday.

“There is no magic number that you have to achieve, what you have to do is a good contact tracing that you are able to find the maximum numbers of exposed persons,” Sultan told Reuters. “The downward trend of the epidemic is the primary reason for the reduced demand in tests.”

Pakistan has registered 265,082 infections and 5,599 deaths.

On July 1, a total of 4,339 people tested positive, and the number dropped to 1,587 on Sunday with an average of 118 deaths a day in late June falling to 47 last week. On Sunday, 31 deaths were reported.

Zubair Faisal Abbasi whose Impact Research International is studying health systems in South Asia during the COVID-19 outbreak, says people were preferring to quarantine without testing.

“The reservoir (of the disease) is there and it can jump back,” he warned.

Sultan termed it “unmistakeable signs of a drop” to “prepare ourselves for any future changes or challenges.”

Two big challenges lie ahead.

Eid al-Azha later this month has led to thousands of people thronging animal markets across the country.

During Ashura, a 10-day period of mourning starting later in August, tens of thousands of Shia Muslims march to commemorate the 7th-century death of the Prophet Mohammad’s grandson Hussain.

Sultan warned people against violating public health measures.

“We can have spikes of cases and deaths.”

https://www.geo.tv/latest/299044-do...-for-reduced-demand-in-tests-dr-faisal-sultan
 
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