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In a bid to keep pressure on the International Cricket Council (ICC) ahead of the world cricket body’s board meeting, the Board of Control for Cricket in India is set to delay naming its team for the ICC Champions Trophy, which begins on 1 June in England.
The deadline for naming the teams was on Tuesday, with India, Pakistan and England the only teams left to name their squads as of Monday, for the eight-team tournament.

According to a report in The Hindustan Times, the Board plans to announce the squad only after the ICC Board Meeting ends on 27 April, where the revenue and governance reforms will be voted upon.

BCCI’s move to delay naming the squad is backed by the Members Participation Agreement (MPA) that gives any cricket board the right to pull out of the tournament in case of a disagreement.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has been one of the staunchest opponents of the ICC structure, which guarantees BCCI a major share, after the Indian board failed to honour bilateral commitments.

http://www.firstpost.com/sports/cha...ne-for-submission-of-indian-team-3402892.html
 
If the deadline is tomorrow, and not today, then we should wait until tomorrow, so that :fawad can make another 100 today, in shaa' Allah!
 
What'll be the consequences the BCCI will have to face if it's true? I'm not joking here, I really want to know the consequences the BCCI will have to face if they fail to meet the deadline.
 
Hitman said:
What'll be the consequences the BCCI will have to face if it's true? I'm not joking here, I really want to know the consequences the BCCI will have to face if they fail to meet the deadline.
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not many as you can request extensions, it been done before with little hassle.

If this is an actualy protest/blackmail attempt than i expect the cowards at the ICC to bend.

Honest question though, say if the ICC doesnt bend and niether does the BCCI, would the indian public at large be okay with India boycotting a tournament ?

Some posters here have suggested that the public would be satisfed with IPL?
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
not many as you can request extensions, it been done before with little hassle.

If this is an actualy protest/blackmail attempt than i expect the cowards at the ICC to bend.

Honest question though, say if the ICC doesnt bend and niether does the BCCI, would the indian public at large be okay with India boycotting a tournament ?

Some posters here have suggested that the public would be satisfed with IPL?
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Rubbish. Why would any Indian fan including me would want to miss out on our team participating in an ICC Tournament? And why does the ICC have to bend down? Do they have no spine? How about CA or the ECB do the same thing, will they still bend down? This is ridiculous.
 
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Hitman said:
Rubbish. Why would any Indian fan including me would want to miss out on our team participating in an ICC Tournament? And why does the ICC have to bend down? Do they have no spine?
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india pulling out of a tournament kills the money, thats why.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
india pulling out of a tournament kills the money, thats why.
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And that means the BCCI will demand whatever they want and the ICC will bend backwards? Garbage! I'll never forgive the BCCI if I don't get to see my team participate in a major tournament.

I'm still upset that the BCCI didn't use the DRS for so long when it was available.
 
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They won't pull out but if they do am not all fussed because I did not get tickets for the game at Edgbaston :)) anyway these deadlines are really not a big deal, BCCI just giving the ICC a poke because they don't see eye to eye anymore, I tend to do the same when a girl low balls me; I give them a poke..... on facebook! :mv
 
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Don't think we will do much in this Champions Trophy. We will be carrying a team of oldies - Yuvraj, Dhoni, most likely Nehra and Gambhir. English conditions will see them getting exposed. Plus Kohli's form has been patchy since Aus series, Rohit is struggling after injury, Jadeja has looked pedestrian in shorter formats, Shami is still unfit. Too many issues, only positive thing is we tend to get on top of our game in ICC events of recent times (till knock out phases).

BCCI will not boycott for sure, only pressure tactics
 
I see nothing but hate against BCCI and India in this thread.

Ask yourself a simple question - How can you leave BCCI out of a revenue sharing model and come up with a solution.

Ans: All other nations are bunch of cheats. Empire has a history of stealing money for several hundred years and it is no different.

BCCI should stay out of this meaningless tournament anyway.

We are having great time in IPL. Balle Balle.

I dont want be isolationist but keeping India out of negotiations is WRONG.
 
If India doesn't want to take part they're welcome not to.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Shashank Manohar offering BCCI a deal can't be the latest news. It has only been disclosed now, but it happened long ago.
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No the latest news is BCCI has rejected the deal and demanded it's full share as in big three model.

That's the link I gave.
 
So unprofessional. Not submitting their team like the crybabies we've all come to see.
 
BeautifulGame said:
No the latest news is BCCI has rejected the deal and demanded it's full share as in big three model.

That's the link I gave.
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I think they rejected it a while ago with the deadline not being honored, or Shashank Manohar wouldn't have resigned. The article seems more like an acknowledgement that the events did take place.
 
Zak_Fan said:
What is this 550 million number? Some percentage of total ICC revenue?
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yeah, as at [MENTION=130268]BeautifulGame[/MENTION] stated its BCCI's revenue under the previous big 3 model. Also, The guy who is negotiating for the BCCI right now is apparently a Srini goon.
 
Lol. Keep all FM funding as is, take everything from AFG-IRE and regional development funds and give it to the already filthy rich board.

Haha, gotta love this sport. Next you'll be telling me the WC has 10 teams and they've spurned Olympics particpation
 
Zak_Fan said:
I think they rejected it a while ago with the deadline not being honored, or Shashank Manohar wouldn't have resigned. The article seems more like an acknowledgement that the events did take place.
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Nope .It was rejected today by BCCI.Manohar negotiated with COAand more or less struck this deal but SC authorized BCCI to represent this ICC meet.And they have now rejected this proposal .
 
Let the ICC do let BCCI make it's own decision. Even if the BCCI opts out of the tournament, fine for the ICC and the rest of the boards. Let's see how the BCCI reacts in that case. Although I said earlier, my team missing out of a major tournament will drive me crazy.
 
And let's get something straight. The BCCI is a bully, right? Why does the ICC and the rest of the boards let themselves be bullied by the BCCI?
 
If it was a world cup, I would have given some thoughts. It's CT. a confusing tournament in the first place which serves no purpose.

I am with BCCI.
 
Hitman said:
And let's get something straight. The BCCI is a bully, right? Why does the ICC and the rest of the boards let themselves be bullied by the BCCI?
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Because they are weak.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
india pulling out of a tournament kills the money, thats why.
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Perhaps, instead of constant blackmailing and bullying by the BCCI, at some point the rest have to make a stand.

The BCCI will then have to make a decision, pull out and see how it affects their cricketing fan base seeing everyone else playing in ICC competitions, or accept that even by not having all their demands met they still have more to gain overall by remaining in the ICC.

By making that stand, one way or the other, the ICC in turn will remove the constant threat of being bullied and blackmailed by the biggest member. This stand has to be made for the good of the game in the long run.
 
Yossarian said:
Perhaps, instead of constant blackmailing and bullying by the BCCI, at some point the rest have to make a stand.

The BCCI will then have to make a decision, pull out and see how it affects their cricketing fan base seeing everyone else playing in ICC competitions, or accept that even by not having all their demands met they still have more to gain overall by remaining in the ICC.

By making that stand, one way or the other, the ICC in turn will remove the constant threat of being bullied and blackmailed by the biggest member. This stand has to be made for the good of the game in the long run.
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Sadly it won'T.

Five seconds of talks with Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka/Bangladesh and boom, they have the 3 votes they need
 
Hitman said:
And let's get something straight. The BCCI is a bully, right? Why does the ICC and the rest of the boards let themselves be bullied by the BCCI?
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Because without Indian teams participation ICC wont be able to make that much money.
 
Yossarian said:
Perhaps, instead of constant blackmailing and bullying by the BCCI, at some point the rest have to make a stand.

The BCCI will then have to make a decision, pull out and see how it affects their cricketing fan base seeing everyone else playing in ICC competitions, or accept that even by not having all their demands met they still have more to gain overall by remaining in the ICC.

By making that stand, one way or the other, the ICC in turn will remove the constant threat of being bullied and blackmailed by the biggest member. This stand has to be made for the good of the game in the long run.
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BCCI has already missed the deadline to submit the team.If ICC has any guts it will not extend the deadline.
 
BCCI should definitely stick to it's stance , if India needs to pull out of the CT, couldn't care less.
ICC isn't an elite group to be run by just CA and ECB . BCCI making it to the top 3 has been a cumulative effort of the past 20 years or so. No red carpet was rolled out for them to come join the top 3 - they muscled their way into that spot.
ICC wants to undercut BCCI and push them down again. Why would anyone performing as well as BCCI in terms of revenue generated take such a big pay cut ? If you work in sales and you bring in good numbers and you are given like a -400 % paycut just to undermine you - that's no go.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If ICC has any guts it will not allow India to play.
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doesnt really expect such type of low quality post from you really..
its not a bollywood movie that a villain is trying to blackmail and some hero will stop it.
icc has sponsors & investors and many other stuff which they need to look for.
honestly im not much informed about that stuff than you . . so i always expect good post from you .
 
BeautifulGame said:
Nope .It was rejected today by BCCI.Manohar negotiated with COAand more or less struck this deal but SC authorized BCCI to represent this ICC meet.And they have now rejected this proposal .
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BCCI reps at the ICC will have to answer to CoA , which makes the final call. CoA has more or less agreed with Manohar to peg India's due at about $400 million.
 
Yossarian said:
Perhaps, instead of constant blackmailing and bullying by the BCCI, at some point the rest have to make a stand.

The BCCI will then have to make a decision, pull out and see how it affects their cricketing fan base seeing everyone else playing in ICC competitions, or accept that even by not having all their demands met they still have more to gain overall by remaining in the ICC.

By making that stand, one way or the other, the ICC in turn will remove the constant threat of being bullied and blackmailed by the biggest member. This stand has to be made for the good of the game in the long run.
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Oh id love them to make a stand, I feel the indian public would rightfully go pyscho if BCCI tried to pull out.

However money talks and ICC are already weak. Those who do want to stand will be overwhelmed after BCCI bribes the likes of bangldesh, sri lanka, west indies and Zimbawabe

I have said it before but the cricket world made a mistake in not electing John Howard as president. As bad as his comments regarding murali were they should have looked at the broader picture. The guy was a proven manager, loved the game, and was a stubborn ******* who would have had greater chances in keeping the BCCI in check
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Oh id love them to make a stand, I feel the indian public would rightfully go pyscho if BCCI tried to pull out.

However money talks and ICC are already weak. Those who do want to stand will be overwhelmed after BCCI bribes the likes of bangldesh, sri lanka, west indies and Zimbawabe

I have said it before but the cricket world made a mistake in not electing John Howard as president. As bad as his comments regarding murali were they should have looked at the broader picture. The guy was a proven manager, loved the game, and was a stubborn ******* who would have had greater chances in keeping the BCCI in check
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Not really bud, anyone with logic in their mind would not go mental if India pulls out , I'm sure there would be cricket fanatics who may lose their nuts on it but anyone else would back BCCI.
BCCI doesn't need to bribe anyone and let's not talk about bribing other boards , if that's the case PCB would have been the first one to be bought.
BCCI has earned it's paycheck and doesn't need to piggyback on other board's backs to survive. If PCB was strong enough today or if it ever will be, I'd see how much of a paycut they would be willing to take. Certainly, BCCI has spent quite a bit of time under the ECB and CA ruling and they are a force to reckon with now and let's just say they aren't happy to be the subordinates any longer.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If ICC has any guts it will not allow India to play.
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There is a reason for deadlines. Sponsors, broadcasters, hotel and travel organisers et al need to know who is coming/playing.

Broadcasters/sponsors need this info about the players in each team, especially the major stars, for the production of their advertising and marketing material, organising and planning photo and video shoots, producing brochures, mugs, scarves, replica kits with players names/images etc on them.

These deadlines are not just arbitrary dates picked out of thin air. They are decided after taking into account all of the above.
 
bleaf27 said:
Not really bud, anyone with logic in their mind would not go mental if India pulls out , I'm sure there would be cricket fanatics who may lose their nuts on it but anyone else would back BCCI.
BCCI doesn't need to bribe anyone and let's not talk about bribing other boards , if that's the case PCB would have been the first one to be bought.
BCCI has earned it's paycheck and doesn't need to piggyback on other board's backs to survive. If PCB was strong enough today or if it ever will be, I'd see how much of a paycut they would be willing to take. Certainly, BCCI has spent quite a bit of time under the ECB and CA ruling and they are a force to reckon with now and let's just say they aren't happy to be the subordinates any longer.
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They ended that when they finished the MCC monoply on cricket along with the PCB and others couple decades ago.

Now they are attempting to become what they fought against. Thats all fine in capitalist world, but dont mask with such platitudes. Its like America saying we support democracy while they are funding arab dictators, just be honest
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
They ended that when they finished the MCC monoply on cricket along with the PCB and others couple decades ago.

Now they are attempting to become what they fought against. Thats all fine in capitalist world, but dont mask with such platitudes. Its like America saying we support democracy while they are funding arab dictators, just be honest
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BCCI isn't asking for what's on others plates. It's upto ICC to generate more funds if it wants to compensate other boards but don't undercut BCCI and then provide that to the other boards. With expansion of cricket and participating in the Olympics I fully support that and if BCCI doesn't then I'll criticize them too but in terms of financially BCCI does not deserve such high pay cut
 
Yossarian said:
Perhaps, instead of constant blackmailing and bullying by the BCCI, at some point the rest have to make a stand.

The BCCI will then have to make a decision, pull out and see how it affects their cricketing fan base seeing everyone else playing in ICC competitions, or accept that even by not having all their demands met they still have more to gain overall by remaining in the ICC.

By making that stand, one way or the other, the ICC in turn will remove the constant threat of being bullied and blackmailed by the biggest member. This stand has to be made for the good of the game in the long run.
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The current stand from ICC or other members isn't about good of the game or morality, like BCCI, they too are fighting for a bigger share.

This is the sole reason why BCCI's blackmailing works. The moment ICC and members adopt a moral approach, BCCI will lose. But that ain't happening because all them boards need money that BCCI attracts.
 
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bleaf27 said:
BCCI isn't asking for what's on others plates. It's upto ICC to generate more funds if it wants to compensate other boards but don't undercut BCCI and then provide that to the other boards. With expansion of cricket and participating in the Olympics I fully support that and if BCCI doesn't then I'll criticize them too but in terms of financially BCCI does not deserve such high pay cut
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find then say that, say the BCCI is being brutally capitalistic (discounting the fact that as strong as they are they need other cricket boards for revenue). Dont however push stuff like they are 'tired of being a subordiante'
 
The cricket enthusiast said:
doesnt really expect such type of low quality post from you really..
its not a bollywood movie that a villain is trying to blackmail and some hero will stop it.
icc has sponsors & investors and many other stuff which they need to look for.
honestly im not much informed about that stuff than you . . so i always expect good post from you .
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India has legitimate claims to the amount of share its asking.If ICC believes India is not eligible for 20% share its demanding and is only good for 10% and is black mailing etc etc as our friends on PP believe.Well drop India.10% isnt a big amount.
 
Thomaskutty said:
BCCI reps at the ICC will have to answer to CoA , which makes the final call. CoA has more or less agreed with Manohar to peg India's due at about $400 million.
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No.not anymore.The BCCI rep in ICC meet has been chosen by the Supreme Court itself.CoA tried to send one of its members but SC decided otherwise.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
find then say that, say the BCCI is being brutally capitalistic (discounting the fact that as strong as they are they need other cricket boards for revenue). Dont however push stuff like they are 'tired of being a subordiante'
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Certainly not, this isn't being called capitalistic - ICC is based on capitalism - these are all for proft organizations - asking for what you think you owe or are worthy of isn't being brutally capitalistic. BCCI has it's share of number crunchers and stats guys as well, so it's got fair idea what it's worth and what it brings in. Giving them a pay cut for what ? because ICC is inadequate and is not able to provide for the other members. If your salary was cut tomorrow to hike the salaries of some slackers in your company , you'd be cool with that ?

Secondly , money talks. BCCI wasn't given a red carpet to join the top 3 - that elite group has always been closed for the SA countries. For once, BCCI managed to get in - whether due to money/management or whatever else and it definitely should not give that away. Why would they would want to give any more power the the boards who held it forever ?
 
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pakistanigoneaussie said:
Oh id love them to make a stand, I feel the indian public would rightfully go pyscho if BCCI tried to pull out.

However money talks and ICC are already weak. Those who do want to stand will be overwhelmed after BCCI bribes the likes of bangldesh, sri lanka, west indies and Zimbawabe

I have said it before but the cricket world made a mistake in not electing John Howard as president. As bad as his comments regarding murali were they should have looked at the broader picture. The guy was a proven manager, loved the game, and was a stubborn ******* who would have had greater chances in keeping the BCCI in check
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The Indian Media has been againist the ICC on this and the public too will turn againist ICC when its explained to them why BCCI pulled out.ICC has once in past tried this tactics and it massively backfired.

John Howard or anyone cant do jack.The votes decide what happens and no one cant overrule that.Cricket's biggest market is India and if India withdraws,the losses will be more than the 20% bcci is demanding.

John Howard or anyone else cant change that.
 
Yossarian said:
There is a reason for deadlines. Sponsors, broadcasters, hotel and travel organisers et al need to know who is coming/playing.

Broadcasters/sponsors need this info about the players in each team, especially the major stars, for the production of their advertising and marketing material, organising and planning photo and video shoots, producing brochures, mugs, scarves, replica kits with players names/images etc on them.

These deadlines are not just arbitrary dates picked out of thin air. They are decided after taking into account all of the above.
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Everyone knows that BCCI has decided not to adhere to he deadline because of the Big 3 issue. Now some people are calling this a blackmail.Some want BCCI to take a stand.Why doesnt ICC take a stand and stop this alleged blackmail.Since BCCI has missed the official deadline just dont allow them an extension.
 
There is no logic with ICC. India alone brings in 70-75% of total revenue and ICC wants us to do with 10%. Let's see how much money they generate with out India playing.
 
cricketjoshila said:
No.not anymore.The BCCI rep in ICC meet has been chosen by the Supreme Court itself.CoA tried to send one of its members but SC decided otherwise.
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Any links for this ? Specifically as to who makes the final call .. CoA or that Chaudhary fella.
 
The SC is being stupid here creating all kinds of confusion instead of defining the heirarchy - either grant all the powers to CoA or don't. What a mess , creating dual power centres within the BCCI.
 
I wish we had also missed the deadline and not allowed to participate. Atleast thori buhat izzat tou bach jati.. Jo team select ki hai osne tou moh hi black karana hai.
 
Yossarian said:
Perhaps, instead of constant blackmailing and bullying by the BCCI, at some point the rest have to make a stand.

The BCCI will then have to make a decision, pull out and see how it affects their cricketing fan base seeing everyone else playing in ICC competitions, or accept that even by not having all their demands met they still have more to gain overall by remaining in the ICC.

By making that stand, one way or the other, the ICC in turn will remove the constant threat of being bullied and blackmailed by the biggest member. This stand has to be made for the good of the game in the long run.
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If ICC had a backbone (which they never, never have) it would have happened long time ago. The ICC is just a greedy, money hungry scarred outfit.
 
Syed1 said:
I wish we had also missed the deadline and not allowed to participate. Atleast thori buhat izzat tou bach jati.. Jo team select ki hai osne tou moh hi black karana hai.
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Don't be so disappointed bro. Muh chamak bhi sakte hain
 
Do us a favor BCCI and boycott CT. Keep your money and invest it in a new Star Plus series. The fans will enjoy that.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Oh id love them to make a stand, I feel the indian public would rightfully go pyscho if BCCI tried to pull out.

However money talks and ICC are already weak. Those who do want to stand will be overwhelmed after BCCI bribes the likes of bangldesh, sri lanka, west indies and Zimbawabe

I have said it before but the cricket world made a mistake in not electing John Howard as president. As bad as his comments regarding murali were they should have looked at the broader picture. The guy was a proven manager, loved the game, and was a stubborn ******* who would have had greater chances in keeping the BCCI in check
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So, weakness is the not the main issue here. Greed and corruption are.
 
Zak_Fan said:
The current stand from ICC or other members isn't about good of the game or morality, like BCCI, they too are fighting for a bigger share.

This is the sole reason why BCCI's blackmailing works. The moment ICC and members adopt a moral approach, BCCI will lose. But that ain't happening because all them boards need money that BCCI attracts.
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Spot on!! Unless there is a will for change from the other side the status quo remains.
 
sshakir411 said:
Do us a favor BCCI and boycott CT. Keep your money and invest it in a new Star Plus series. The fans will enjoy that.
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It's easy to say this in the forum world. The real world/reality is a lot different.
 
Deadline should be same for everyone BCCI is not special. And matters like this should be solved behind the closed doors. There is no need to whine like a child and blackmail your father.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Deadline should be same for everyone BCCI is not special. And matters like this should be solved behind the closed doors. There is no need to whine like a child and blackmail your father.
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Agree. But the problem is the father is willing to be blackmailed. And guess what, a child will always try to get away with as much as it can.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Lol. Keep all FM funding as is, take everything from AFG-IRE and regional development funds and give it to the already filthy rich board.

Haha, gotta love this sport. Next you'll be telling me the WC has 10 teams and they've spurned Olympics particpation
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Its hard to have any sympathy for a guy whose country has a GDP per capita of $51K demand that a port in his country be subsidized by a country with a GDP per capita of 1.5K.

Guess colonial attitude from English are rubbing off on you.
 
This stupid Champions Trophy only exists because the BCCI refused to play the World Test Championship.

The semi-finals of which were due to be:

India v England at Lords
Pakistan v Australia at ? The Oval.
 
kdoversmg said:
Its hard to have any sympathy for a guy whose country has a GDP per capita of $51K demand that a port in his country be subsidized by a country with a GDP per capita of 1.5K.

Guess colonial attitude from English are rubbing off on you.
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*** has GDP per capita got to do with this. If anything it shows that Ireland need more monez as buying stuff costs more

:)))

If asking for opportunities ís a colonial attitude then I suppose treating the weaker like complete garbage is an extension of your own society
 
Junaids said:
This stupid Champions Trophy only exists because the BCCI refused to play the World Test Championship.

The semi-finals of which were due to be:

India v England at Lords
Pakistan v Australia at ? The Oval.
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It exists because the broadcaster finds it profitable.
 
USofA said:
It's easy to say this in the forum world. The real world/reality is a lot different.
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forum world? let's be real here...Why is BCCI willing to give money it makes to the sport's controlling body or even other boards? BCCI is under no obligation to pay others and should pull the plug. The actual truth is BCCI depends on other cricketing nations to keep this cash cow alive...these boycotting threats from you fans is a joke...BCCI won't be able to sustain itself if it's not part of the cricketing world and IPL revenues will also dwindle. All these threats are pretty hollow because India needs the rest as much as they need India.
 
sshakir411 said:
forum world? let's be real here...Why is BCCI willing to give money it makes to the sport's controlling body or even other boards? BCCI is under no obligation to pay others and should pull the plug. The actual truth is BCCI depends on other cricketing nations to keep this cash cow alive...these boycotting threats from you fans is a joke...BCCI won't be able to sustain itself if it's not part of the cricketing world and IPL revenues will also dwindle. All these threats are pretty hollow because India needs the rest as much as they need India.
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Ofcourse it works vice versa hence the reason that ICC cannot undercut its cash cow. If two entities need each other quite as much - one cannot superimpose its inadequacy by downgrading its biggest revenue generator.
So in PSL or IPL would Afridi take millions in paycut to afford other players ? Ofcourse he wouldn't .
BCCI has a fair share in what it brings in and wants a proportional share. If ICC wants to pay other members more then generate that income
 
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