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If last 15 years are something to go by, it surely doesn't seem to the case. Be it diplomacy or sports, Pakistan has preferred $$$$ over pride.. often in embarrassing ways.
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If last 15 years are something to go by, it surely doesn't seem to the case. Be it diplomacy or sports, Pakistan has preferred $$$$ over pride.. often in embarrassing ways.
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Like I said, in the last year Anti Indie sentiments have gone really high. Unlike most Indians, majority of the Pakistani's want peace with India and in fact even want to be friends, whether the literate or illiterate. Unfortunately, that's not the case in India so you can't relate or understand.
Also, going back to your statement, this isn't a game of symmetry. Obviously there are people who will choose money over patriotism but the average Joe wont and I can guarantee you, 90% of the players will refuse to play whatever the money. But hey, I said 90%. There will be the 10%.
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Ok, so it is a new found pride you are talking about. Let's see how it goes.
Also, about your statement of majority of Pakistanis wanting peace (unlike Indians), I actually disagree. But I won't go on explaining the reasons as the thread needs to be on track.
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Stop making out things on your own. Stick to what I said or don't bother replying. I'm simply saying that most Pakistani's would have refused to play in India at a time of war 50 years ago, today and will do so 50 years from now.
As for the second bit, I know for sure your Govt. doesn't want peace and I have hope from the young, educated people because of a couple of YouTube videos but people like you on this forum keep proving me wrong.
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2 days over ICC not yet debarred India from CT
More days will pass.The matter has to be discussed in an SGM for which notice period is 14days.even for a EGM the notice period is 7 days.
Routed in ICC vote, BCCI may seek Champions Trophy pullout
MUMBAI/NEW DELHI: The prospect of India pulling out of this year's Champions Trophy loomed large on Wednesday after the Indian cricket board (BCCI) was left isolated in its opposition to proposed reforms to the way the game is run globally.
The BCCI was routed 1-9 in a vote of all member boards of the International Cricket Council (ICC) on a revamped financial model and 2-8 on a new governance structure. The ICC votes decisively rejected the Big Three structure that gave India special status and would leave it as just another member board of the game's parent body.
In the financial model that was passed, BCCI's share of ICC revenue from 2015 to 2023 would be only $290 million, barely half of the $570 million the Indian board wanted.
The old guard feels that the only option left for India is to invoke the Members Participation Agreement (MPA) and pull out of the international cricket bilateral cycle, or to fall in line with the new world order. However, this may not find favour with the SC-appointed panel of administrators.
ICC independent chairman Shashank Manohar the man - pushing for cricket administration reforms - had initially offered a compromise formula of an additional $100 million, which would push the BCCI's share to almost $400 million. BCCI rejected this with a counter-offer under which it would still get its $570 million but no other full member's share would be reduced.
However, Manohar called for a vote on the $290m offer, not on the compromise formula that was being spoken about, and the result left the BCCI cutting a lonely figure.
The state units which form the old guard at the BCCI have now decided to call for a special general meeting at the earliest - a 14-day notice has to be given - to take a call on what should be India's next move. The Indian board hasn't announced its team for the ICC Champions Trophy yet -the deadline to do so elapsed on April 25.
Vinod Rai, the chairman of the Supreme Court-appointed Committee of Administrators (CoA) which is running the affairs of BCCI, was disappointed with the snub and said he would allow BCCI members to call for an SGM to take the next step.
"We'd kept the CoA meeting after the BCCI SGM in Mumbai before the ICC meeting in Dubai. Amitabh Choudhary had attended that meeting while BCCI treasurer Anirudh Chaudhary refused to come. I asked Amitabh about the mandate given to him by the SGM and he told us that he has to assess the situation," Rai told TOI.
"Until yesterday, the idea of pulling out of the Champions Trophy wasn't such a realistic one. But 24 hours is a long time. Going by what happened today, the ICC has clearly and abrasively breached the contract that it has signed with the BCCI, which is the MPA," said a senior cricket administrator.
"Let India not play this tournament as a protest and then let's see how many ICC members still like the idea of going ahead with the policy changes. Someone has to call their bluff," he added.
However, the apex court's January 30 order clearly states that the authority to proceed legally on matters involving BCCI rests with the CoA, which has been appointed by the court itself. If the state units of the BCCI have to take a call, they will be in a position to do so only if the CoA is on the same page as them.
"The ball is in the court of Vinod Rai. He's the man who drew the attention to the massive loss that the country suffered because of the 2G Spectrum scam. He knows his numbers. He will be the first one to know what kind of a hand a 'weakened' BCCI has been dealt with," a senior cricket administrator told TOI.
One of the concerns of the old guard is that the CoA is administering BCCI only for an interim period and will not have to live with the decisions taken right now."For starters, we're hoping that Vinod Rai and his colleagues will also attend the SGM and hear everyone out. That'll at least lead to some bit of clarity," said the official.
BCCI mandarins claimed that Manohar - himself a former BCCI chief - had shown "absolute disregard for a legal document" signed between the ICC and the BCCI. "It's a decisive day and it'll always be remembered in history as the moment when BCCI either changed the course of global cricket forever or fell in line with what was dictated to them. India will have to live with the decision it takes going forward," a prominent stakeholder in global cricket said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...483.cms?from=mdr&TOI_browsernotification=true
MUMBAI/NEW DELHI: The prospect of India pulling out of this year's Champions Trophy loomed large on Wednesday after the Indian cricket board (BCCI) was left isolated in its opposition to proposed reforms to the way the game is run globally.
The BCCI was routed 1-9 in a vote of all member boards of the International Cricket Council (ICC) on a revamped financial model and 2-8 on a new governance structure. The ICC votes decisively rejected the Big Three structure that gave India special status and would leave it as just another member board of the game's parent body.
In the financial model that was passed, BCCI's share of ICC revenue from 2015 to 2023 would be only $290 million, barely half of the $570 million the Indian board wanted.
The old guard feels that the only option left for India is to invoke the Members Participation Agreement (MPA) and pull out of the international cricket bilateral cycle, or to fall in line with the new world order. However, this may not find favour with the SC-appointed panel of administrators.
ICC independent chairman Shashank Manohar the man - pushing for cricket administration reforms - had initially offered a compromise formula of an additional $100 million, which would push the BCCI's share to almost $400 million. BCCI rejected this with a counter-offer under which it would still get its $570 million but no other full member's share would be reduced.
However, Manohar called for a vote on the $290m offer, not on the compromise formula that was being spoken about, and the result left the BCCI cutting a lonely figure.
The state units which form the old guard at the BCCI have now decided to call for a special general meeting at the earliest - a 14-day notice has to be given - to take a call on what should be India's next move. The Indian board hasn't announced its team for the ICC Champions Trophy yet -the deadline to do so elapsed on April 25.
Vinod Rai, the chairman of the Supreme Court-appointed Committee of Administrators (CoA) which is running the affairs of BCCI, was disappointed with the snub and said he would allow BCCI members to call for an SGM to take the next step.
"We'd kept the CoA meeting after the BCCI SGM in Mumbai before the ICC meeting in Dubai. Amitabh Choudhary had attended that meeting while BCCI treasurer Anirudh Chaudhary refused to come. I asked Amitabh about the mandate given to him by the SGM and he told us that he has to assess the situation," Rai told TOI.
"Until yesterday, the idea of pulling out of the Champions Trophy wasn't such a realistic one. But 24 hours is a long time. Going by what happened today, the ICC has clearly and abrasively breached the contract that it has signed with the BCCI, which is the MPA," said a senior cricket administrator.
"Let India not play this tournament as a protest and then let's see how many ICC members still like the idea of going ahead with the policy changes. Someone has to call their bluff," he added.
However, the apex court's January 30 order clearly states that the authority to proceed legally on matters involving BCCI rests with the CoA, which has been appointed by the court itself. If the state units of the BCCI have to take a call, they will be in a position to do so only if the CoA is on the same page as them.
"The ball is in the court of Vinod Rai. He's the man who drew the attention to the massive loss that the country suffered because of the 2G Spectrum scam. He knows his numbers. He will be the first one to know what kind of a hand a 'weakened' BCCI has been dealt with," a senior cricket administrator told TOI.
One of the concerns of the old guard is that the CoA is administering BCCI only for an interim period and will not have to live with the decisions taken right now."For starters, we're hoping that Vinod Rai and his colleagues will also attend the SGM and hear everyone out. That'll at least lead to some bit of clarity," said the official.
BCCI mandarins claimed that Manohar - himself a former BCCI chief - had shown "absolute disregard for a legal document" signed between the ICC and the BCCI. "It's a decisive day and it'll always be remembered in history as the moment when BCCI either changed the course of global cricket forever or fell in line with what was dictated to them. India will have to live with the decision it takes going forward," a prominent stakeholder in global cricket said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...483.cms?from=mdr&TOI_browsernotification=true
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BCCI & COA Divided on Champions Trophy Pull Out After ICC Snub
New Delhi: With the ICC clipping BCCI’s financial wings in its new financial model for the next eight years, the Indian board is contemplating pulling out of the Champions Trophy and the future ICC tournaments unless the ICC agrees to pay them USD 450 million.
But the Committee of Administrators — appointed by the Supreme Court — believe that it is not a feasible option as that could hamper the future of IPL.
Speaking to Cricketnext, a senior BCCI official who was present in Dubai during the meeting said that the board has no option but to pull out of ICC events because the current revenue promised to BCCI — $293m — is just not acceptable and agreeing to that would set a wrong precedent for the future.
“We realise that pulling out of the Champions Trophy would also mean pulling out of the future ICC events, including the World Cup as per the Members Participation Agreement (MPA). But we have our back against the wall and there is no option left with us because to come down from $571m to $293m is just not possible.
“Also, let me reiterate, it is not just about the money. We are also not willing to accept the changes in governance model. At the end of the day, it is about our country and the interest of Indian cricket which cannot be sacrificed under any circumstance. We had requested them to wait for 2-3 months, but Manohar took the opportunity to kick us when we are down,” he said.
Asked if the BCCI is willing to accept the further $100 that the ICC is still willing to give BCCI — making the new revenue stand at $390m — the official said: “Going into the meeting, Amitabh Chaudhary had in a very polite tone told them that an offer of $450 million would still put him in a position where he would return to India and convince the BCCI members. But ICC chairman Shashank Manohar refused to relent.
“We are not willing to accept anything less than $450 and also, there should be no change in the governance structure as I already told you. If that means pulling out of ICC tournaments we will, because according to the MPA, if the ICC changes the revenue or governance structure which BCCI is not keen on, the board can terminate the MPA.”
The COA though feels that a strong stand could hamper Indian cricket in the long run, including the organisation of the Indian Premier League.
“The COA had briefed Amitabh before he went for the meeting on how the member countries had reacted to the proposals of revenue-model change when the committee interacted with them. The committee wasn’t present in Dubai, so they can’t say what transpired. But pulling out of the Champions Trophy is still not the way forward.
“The COA wants the BCCI to realise that pulling out could mean a situation where the other countries stop providing NOCs to players who participate in the IPL. Can the BCCI conduct the IPL this successfully if the foreign stars are absent? The COA would still want the board to decide on a middle-path,” a source close to the COA told CricketNext.
Asked if the COA was willing to mediate, the source said: “The BCCI never asked them to. They definitely are open to finding out a middle-path if the board members wants the committee of administrators to help.”
For the record, BCCI's earlier share of $571 million was curtailed to $293 million with Australia not losing out on anything and England's loss being minimal.
Cricket Australia was earlier getting $131.25 million and the new model gives them an additional $0.75 million. England are losing out on $40 million in the new deal while all other Test playing nations stand to gain significantly.
http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...s-trophy-pull-out-after-icc-snub-1386001.html
New Delhi: With the ICC clipping BCCI’s financial wings in its new financial model for the next eight years, the Indian board is contemplating pulling out of the Champions Trophy and the future ICC tournaments unless the ICC agrees to pay them USD 450 million.
But the Committee of Administrators — appointed by the Supreme Court — believe that it is not a feasible option as that could hamper the future of IPL.
Speaking to Cricketnext, a senior BCCI official who was present in Dubai during the meeting said that the board has no option but to pull out of ICC events because the current revenue promised to BCCI — $293m — is just not acceptable and agreeing to that would set a wrong precedent for the future.
“We realise that pulling out of the Champions Trophy would also mean pulling out of the future ICC events, including the World Cup as per the Members Participation Agreement (MPA). But we have our back against the wall and there is no option left with us because to come down from $571m to $293m is just not possible.
“Also, let me reiterate, it is not just about the money. We are also not willing to accept the changes in governance model. At the end of the day, it is about our country and the interest of Indian cricket which cannot be sacrificed under any circumstance. We had requested them to wait for 2-3 months, but Manohar took the opportunity to kick us when we are down,” he said.
Asked if the BCCI is willing to accept the further $100 that the ICC is still willing to give BCCI — making the new revenue stand at $390m — the official said: “Going into the meeting, Amitabh Chaudhary had in a very polite tone told them that an offer of $450 million would still put him in a position where he would return to India and convince the BCCI members. But ICC chairman Shashank Manohar refused to relent.
“We are not willing to accept anything less than $450 and also, there should be no change in the governance structure as I already told you. If that means pulling out of ICC tournaments we will, because according to the MPA, if the ICC changes the revenue or governance structure which BCCI is not keen on, the board can terminate the MPA.”
The COA though feels that a strong stand could hamper Indian cricket in the long run, including the organisation of the Indian Premier League.
“The COA had briefed Amitabh before he went for the meeting on how the member countries had reacted to the proposals of revenue-model change when the committee interacted with them. The committee wasn’t present in Dubai, so they can’t say what transpired. But pulling out of the Champions Trophy is still not the way forward.
“The COA wants the BCCI to realise that pulling out could mean a situation where the other countries stop providing NOCs to players who participate in the IPL. Can the BCCI conduct the IPL this successfully if the foreign stars are absent? The COA would still want the board to decide on a middle-path,” a source close to the COA told CricketNext.
Asked if the COA was willing to mediate, the source said: “The BCCI never asked them to. They definitely are open to finding out a middle-path if the board members wants the committee of administrators to help.”
For the record, BCCI's earlier share of $571 million was curtailed to $293 million with Australia not losing out on anything and England's loss being minimal.
Cricket Australia was earlier getting $131.25 million and the new model gives them an additional $0.75 million. England are losing out on $40 million in the new deal while all other Test playing nations stand to gain significantly.
http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...s-trophy-pull-out-after-icc-snub-1386001.html
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?????!!!!!!!
Lot will happen in the coming years. Would be interesting to see the stances icc takes.
Lot will happen in the coming years. Would be interesting to see the stances icc takes.
A lot of hearsay in the article, the 450 mn figure is something CoA came up with, i highly doubt they would settle for a figure lower than what they think is fair, now we are well away from icc vs bcci battle now it seems the battle is what bcci has been really wanting to fight SC vs BCCI, call me a conspiracy theorist but i have a feeling bcci themselves scuttled the talks to put SC and CoA in a fix because right now anyone reads the headline will assume CoA messed up and cost bcci and indian cricket a lot of money. All you need after this is a CT withdrawal and bcci will blame CoA for it as its meddling led to this situation, play CT and it still looks bad as then CoA will be demonised as costing bcci and india its position in world cricket.
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So after, BCCI v ICC, it's time for COA v BCCI showdown. Honestly, COA's reasoning is flawed. If bilateral relations between nations are not harmed, then I don't think any nation will abrogate their player to play in IPL.
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If BCCI pulls out of an ICC tourny, the finances end up getting affect as the profit margin lowers, this could result in future grants being lowered only because of BCCI
A few members told The Hindu, “The BCCI should also recall the decision it took at the SGM in Mumbai on February 19, 2016. It was agreed then that the BCCI would accept a cut of $ 150 million and that Manohar also assured the house that he would not take the BCCI’s share below 15 per cent of the ICC’s net revenue. The audio recording of the SGM was played for Amitabh (Choudhary) before he left for Dubai.”
http://www.thehindu.com/sport/crick...to-the-hilt/article18264375.ece?homepage=true
http://www.thehindu.com/sport/crick...to-the-hilt/article18264375.ece?homepage=true
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Seriously don't understand how Manohar is being such a cocky administrator when he has to return to BCCI,the disaster to not think about your own associations just because Nagpur association is doing well.
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He is an auditor and he is good at that no doubt but this is not his place.
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The BCCI is operating like a country, it is selfish in nature and uses its finances to promote countries it believes will do well for itself rather than cricket. They have throughout the Big Three opposed the advancement in associate countries and have looked in ways that improves their earnings but have always looked down on countries like Pakistan. The ICC has realized that the advancement in cricket in countries like Pakistan is essential to increase revenue for the ICC but the BCCI has adamantly refused to help the PCB in any way or form. Their power and control is diminishing and the other boards have realized that governing by a oligarchy won't help cricket in the long run. India's long inferiority complex of the white colonial countries is getting the better of them, this is a win for cricket.
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So, they should have thought of that before voting against BCCI. It's not like BCCi is strategically saying not to play with them even in bilaterals. Other boards wanted bigger share from ICC revenue, now when BCCI is bequeathing its supposedly 293 million dollar to other boards, It shouldn't antagonize them.
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Not sure how BCCI is going to gain any more than what's already on the table if they were to actually pull out. Besides they would most likely be taken to court as well if that happens and get sued for a hefty sum. So I just don't see it happening.
But, just to add a note of comedy, the West Indies are on standby anyway and could replace them in the blink of an eye and nobody would notice!
But it's fascinating that the BCCI has effectively admitted that its spending is so out of control that without a $450 million handout they are insolvent.
Playing that card was a very foolhardy move. It shows the other Boards that the BCCI is much more financially dependent on the ICC than any other Board.
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Not sure about that one. If they do pull out it's obviously going to cause a whole lot of issues but there won't be any winners if that happens.
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voting against BCCI???
so you are saying that this was only about BCCI, not the other cricket boards?
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fairly certain that if defending champions are not present than people would notice
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What's the feeling of the Indian team itself. I'm sure the cricketers want to play and defend their title, it is the corrupt and money-hungry BCCI which is preventing them from playing.
What is the media saying in India about this? [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION]
What is the media saying in India about this? [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION]
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Nothing much mate,sadly Bahubali 2,Delhi elections,Vinod Khanna's death are taking up most of the coverage not to forget RCB's terrible performance.
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Mumbai: Vinod Rai, head of Committee of Administrators (COA), said on Friday that India's Champions Trophy participation will be known only after the BCCI SGM on May 7 and they are ready for all possible scenarios.
The squad for the Champions Trophy has not yet been selected with BCCI already skipping the ICC deadline of April 25, but Rai didn't want to read too much into it.
"There is no such thing as a deadline. The Champions Trophy will start on June 1. The deadlines are fixed so that there is some kind of system in place," Rai told reporters on the sidelines of a book launch.
Asked about the possible options, he replied: "How can I tell you now? We are ready with all possible scenarios. So let the process happen which is supposed to take place and then we will see what to do. I can't say it in advance. I am confident that it will be a good decision. Whatever decision you want, that will happen, but by chance if it doesn't happen, then we will see.
"It is a part of the game. Let it unfold slowly, let's see how it progresses, what happens," he added.
Rai refused to answer whether COA will overrule SGM decision if they decide to pull-out of Champions Trophy.
"This is a hypothetical question. Let the SGM first take a decision. I have requested the acting president, I have requested the acting secretary to convene an SGM and the SGM has been convened on May 7," Rai said.
He also dead-batted the question if BCCI will announce the squad before May 7.
"They (BCCI officials) have just come back from Dubai and the players are still playing in the IPL. So we will sit with them (BCCI officials) and discuss with them what road map needs to be followed and how we go about it."
Asked if COA and eligible BCCI officials are on the same page on this matter, he quipped: "We are 100 per cent on the same page. As you know, they had an SGM before they went to the ICC meeting. The next day, I invited them to talk to us and we discussed in detail what they had decided, what we had negotiated. After all they are the office bearers, they need to represent BCCI, so they represented BCCI in the ICC."
Rai said that COA is aware that ICC did not pay need to BCCI's viewpoint.
"The ICC had not listed to their viewpoint. We will discuss again and we will come to a solution. That solution will be to your satisfaction. Some things didn't work out the way we wanted it to be but there is always an avenue open. So there is nothing to worry about."
Rai insisted that the negotiation doors are still open and nothing is lost.
"Don't worry, we will not let anyone down. Nothing to worry about, nothing is lost and it is not a closed chapter," he assured.
"It is still in the process of negotiation. What happens when you negotiate, like for example when you go to buy a vegetable you try and bargain, similarly an offer has been made and we will examine it," Rai concluded.
http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...n-to-be-decided-in-sgm-vinod-rai-1386861.html
The squad for the Champions Trophy has not yet been selected with BCCI already skipping the ICC deadline of April 25, but Rai didn't want to read too much into it.
"There is no such thing as a deadline. The Champions Trophy will start on June 1. The deadlines are fixed so that there is some kind of system in place," Rai told reporters on the sidelines of a book launch.
Asked about the possible options, he replied: "How can I tell you now? We are ready with all possible scenarios. So let the process happen which is supposed to take place and then we will see what to do. I can't say it in advance. I am confident that it will be a good decision. Whatever decision you want, that will happen, but by chance if it doesn't happen, then we will see.
"It is a part of the game. Let it unfold slowly, let's see how it progresses, what happens," he added.
Rai refused to answer whether COA will overrule SGM decision if they decide to pull-out of Champions Trophy.
"This is a hypothetical question. Let the SGM first take a decision. I have requested the acting president, I have requested the acting secretary to convene an SGM and the SGM has been convened on May 7," Rai said.
He also dead-batted the question if BCCI will announce the squad before May 7.
"They (BCCI officials) have just come back from Dubai and the players are still playing in the IPL. So we will sit with them (BCCI officials) and discuss with them what road map needs to be followed and how we go about it."
Asked if COA and eligible BCCI officials are on the same page on this matter, he quipped: "We are 100 per cent on the same page. As you know, they had an SGM before they went to the ICC meeting. The next day, I invited them to talk to us and we discussed in detail what they had decided, what we had negotiated. After all they are the office bearers, they need to represent BCCI, so they represented BCCI in the ICC."
Rai said that COA is aware that ICC did not pay need to BCCI's viewpoint.
"The ICC had not listed to their viewpoint. We will discuss again and we will come to a solution. That solution will be to your satisfaction. Some things didn't work out the way we wanted it to be but there is always an avenue open. So there is nothing to worry about."
Rai insisted that the negotiation doors are still open and nothing is lost.
"Don't worry, we will not let anyone down. Nothing to worry about, nothing is lost and it is not a closed chapter," he assured.
"It is still in the process of negotiation. What happens when you negotiate, like for example when you go to buy a vegetable you try and bargain, similarly an offer has been made and we will examine it," Rai concluded.
http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...n-to-be-decided-in-sgm-vinod-rai-1386861.html
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A rather simple issue really bro,
Other boards voted for reforms because they stand to gain more under the new model. Now, the only party which oppose the reform is trying to let go off the measly sum (as per them) which they would be getting, in it's entirety by cancelling the covenant/boycotting CT.
With BCCI's share available with ICC, they can give that 293 Mil $$ to other boards, as money was the major factor for which they voted for new model right? Now if whole revenue takes a hit entailing the snub by BCCI, then other boards shouldn't hue or cry as that brings us to premise of BCCI's original demand, which we both know.
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Report: India will play in the Champions Trophy
India is the holder of the ICC Champions Trophy, which it won in 2013, and it is certain, notwithstanding motivated leaks to the media, that Virat Kohli’s team will take the field against Pakistan in a league match at Edgbaston, Birmingham on June 4.
People occupying important positions and empowered to take decisions on this matter have thrown sufficient hints that a full-strength Indian team will play the tournament in England.
A handful of BCCI officials, hurt by the ICC Board’s firm decision to go ahead with the administrative reforms (governance and revenue structures), had considered withdrawing Team India from the eight-nation tournament.
But the idea of a resolution to this effect was dropped before the BCCI’s Special General Meeting (SGM) at New Delhi on April 19, two days before the BCCI delegates flew to Dubai for the ICC meetings. This happened because there was strong opposition articulated within the BCCI and conveyed to the office-bearers in no uncertain terms. A former BCCI president insisted that the resolutions should not be tinkered with, but the office-bearers were told to abandon the provocative resolution and they did so after some posturing.
The BCCI has convened an SGM in New Delhi on May 7 to apprise members of the outcomes of the ICC meetings. Vinod Rai, chairman of the Committee of Administrators appointed by the Supreme Court of India, told the BCCI that May 12 would be too late for an SGM and that it should be either on May 5 or 7.
There will be voices at the SGM opposed to any move to thwart or stall India’s participation in the tournament. Former India captain Sourav Ganguly, president of the Cricket Association of Bengal and India’s representative in the ICC commentary panel, is expected to speak for the Indian team. There are others such as Uttar Pradesh’sRajeev Shukla, Maharashtra’s Abhay Apte, and Vidarbha’s Anand Jaiswal who are expected to give primacy to the game of cricket and to institutions and not be swayed by bruised egos. These people will expect acting president C.K. Khanna to take control of proceedings at the SGM and make a stand that will support the game and the tournament.
In any case, a decision other than enabling and confirming India’s full participation in the Champions Trophy is likely to be shot down by the CoA. It is clear that the CoA, which has engaged constructively over the past three months with ICC members and, of course, with the chairman, Shashank Manohar, appreciates that Team India should not become pawns in the games played by present and past BCCI officials.
The BCCI has found itself isolated within the International Cricket Council in recent months. There are doubts about India having its way in ICC future tour programmes that involve bilateral series, in the event of its staying away from the Champions Trophy. The BCCI knows that Cricket South Africa and the England and Wales Cricket Board are aggressively positioning their own Twenty20 Leagues, and the Big Bash is already a big success in Australia. These countries have the option of denying no objection certificates to their players for the IPL.
There will be other ramifications from the broadcasters who have signed massive deals with the BCCI and the ICC; and in the present vitiated environment, cricket’s market value can plummet if feuds break out between ICC members. Fourteen years ago, a dispute of a different kind during the 2003 World Cup resulted in the ICC having to pay a broadcaster $75 million. The ICC recovered the money from its full members, although the BCCI got away without paying its share.
http://www.sportstarlive.com/cricke...y-in-the-champions-trophy/article18281485.ece
India is the holder of the ICC Champions Trophy, which it won in 2013, and it is certain, notwithstanding motivated leaks to the media, that Virat Kohli’s team will take the field against Pakistan in a league match at Edgbaston, Birmingham on June 4.
People occupying important positions and empowered to take decisions on this matter have thrown sufficient hints that a full-strength Indian team will play the tournament in England.
A handful of BCCI officials, hurt by the ICC Board’s firm decision to go ahead with the administrative reforms (governance and revenue structures), had considered withdrawing Team India from the eight-nation tournament.
But the idea of a resolution to this effect was dropped before the BCCI’s Special General Meeting (SGM) at New Delhi on April 19, two days before the BCCI delegates flew to Dubai for the ICC meetings. This happened because there was strong opposition articulated within the BCCI and conveyed to the office-bearers in no uncertain terms. A former BCCI president insisted that the resolutions should not be tinkered with, but the office-bearers were told to abandon the provocative resolution and they did so after some posturing.
The BCCI has convened an SGM in New Delhi on May 7 to apprise members of the outcomes of the ICC meetings. Vinod Rai, chairman of the Committee of Administrators appointed by the Supreme Court of India, told the BCCI that May 12 would be too late for an SGM and that it should be either on May 5 or 7.
There will be voices at the SGM opposed to any move to thwart or stall India’s participation in the tournament. Former India captain Sourav Ganguly, president of the Cricket Association of Bengal and India’s representative in the ICC commentary panel, is expected to speak for the Indian team. There are others such as Uttar Pradesh’sRajeev Shukla, Maharashtra’s Abhay Apte, and Vidarbha’s Anand Jaiswal who are expected to give primacy to the game of cricket and to institutions and not be swayed by bruised egos. These people will expect acting president C.K. Khanna to take control of proceedings at the SGM and make a stand that will support the game and the tournament.
In any case, a decision other than enabling and confirming India’s full participation in the Champions Trophy is likely to be shot down by the CoA. It is clear that the CoA, which has engaged constructively over the past three months with ICC members and, of course, with the chairman, Shashank Manohar, appreciates that Team India should not become pawns in the games played by present and past BCCI officials.
The BCCI has found itself isolated within the International Cricket Council in recent months. There are doubts about India having its way in ICC future tour programmes that involve bilateral series, in the event of its staying away from the Champions Trophy. The BCCI knows that Cricket South Africa and the England and Wales Cricket Board are aggressively positioning their own Twenty20 Leagues, and the Big Bash is already a big success in Australia. These countries have the option of denying no objection certificates to their players for the IPL.
There will be other ramifications from the broadcasters who have signed massive deals with the BCCI and the ICC; and in the present vitiated environment, cricket’s market value can plummet if feuds break out between ICC members. Fourteen years ago, a dispute of a different kind during the 2003 World Cup resulted in the ICC having to pay a broadcaster $75 million. The ICC recovered the money from its full members, although the BCCI got away without paying its share.
http://www.sportstarlive.com/cricke...y-in-the-champions-trophy/article18281485.ece
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BCCI clearly didn't think this one through properly.
I doubt it.
Until I read your post I had literally no idea who the defending champions were. It's a Mickey Mouse competition which is why hardly any matches are sold out.
And I must draw your attention to football's Euro'92.
Yugoslavia were the favourites to win. Red Star Belgrade were the previous season's Champions League
and World Club Cup winners and the Yugoslavia team included:
Alen Boksic
Davor Suker
Darko Pancev
Robert Prosinecki
Zvonimir Boban
But they were thrown out of the tournament at the last minute and replaced by Denmark. Whom they had eliminated.
And Denmark won it - which proved how good Yugoslavia would have been.
Did anyone complain? Did TV networks get a refund?
No.
And no.
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For a Mickey Mouse tournament (which I've always consistently called it) you seem to know a lot about it and who's ready to replace who and how this tournament will be a succes even without India
Its really funny how people are supposed to beleive that a man so obsessed with bcci did not know india were CT 2013 winner.
I just had to edit a post on a different thread because I called it the Champions League!
I'm English. I can't stand modern 50 overs cricket.
I loved the first few World Cups because 60 overs a side meant that it was very similar to Test cricket - you kept three slips in until lunch was taken after 32 overs! And it was the same red ball and green pitch as Day 1 of a Test.
Because the World Cup was held in Australia and New Zealand, I went to several games two years ago:
Australia v England at Melbourne
New Zealand v Australia at Auckland
Sri Lanka v South Africa at Sydney
Australia v India at Sydney
Australia v New Zealand at Melbourne
What a monumental waste of money that was!
Inflated scores, bowlers rendered toothless by bald pitches, huge bats, short boundaries, balls that don't move, stupid rules forcing them to bowl where they can be hit and stupid field placing rules.
After that debacle - the Auckland game was the only decent one - I doubt that I'll ever pay to watch an ODI again. I must have spent $6,000 on tickets, flights and hotels. And it was a load of rubbish.
So no, I do know who the World Cup champions are, but I have no idea whatsoever who played in the last Champions League final (India must have, judging by these posts, but I've no idea who they played against) or World T20.
Well then you sir must be one of a kind, who follows cricket so much but doesn't know the winners of 2 of the 3 ICC Trophies.
But i still disagree that the tournament would be a success without india, no india means a lame duck tournament, audience wise and given the fact that 200mn + turned up to watch india vs bangladesh lone test, which was a bore fest by the way, i highly doubt people won't turn up to watch india in CT.
Also i don't disagree with it being a mickey mouse cup, they should have killed it by now but as they say greed has no limits.
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If there is a pull out, it will be after through legal preparation.Except the current case in Supreme Court,BCCI has not lost a case.The present MPA was devised by Srini so he knows what BCCI can do or not.
These are the two clauses which BCCI will use to pull out.Esp the 2nd one.
Bear in mind though, it's a bit like Brexit. If you leave, the rest of the club will change the rules so that if you return it is to the structure they want, not you.
I still expect a $400 million compromise to be reached.
To be honest, it's not going to happen but my overall preference now would be for the BCCI to resign from the ICC. In their absence we could quickly move to pooled revenue, centralised scheduling and centralised contracting.
I don't really like seeing elderly players in cricket, so they would be welcome to take all the 30-somethings into a 6 or 9 month IPL - they would certainly have my blessing.
And I couldn't care less if Australia's players went from $900,000 down to tiered contracts equal to their peers from other countries. An $8 million salary envelope per team would have the Top 20 players from every country on an average of $400,000 per year.
Cricket always survived on lower wages in the past. I'd see an Indian departure from the ICC as likely to be temporary, but the opportunity to make changes that the BCCI would never agree to.
If you just mean a pullout from the Champions Trophy, that's fine too. We English wanted to host the World Test Championship. If the Champions Trophy fails, the argument for a World Test Championship strengthens.
I think at this point it is pretty much assured that India won't show up for the CT.
Why? Because participation will be decided at the SGM.
https://sports.ndtv.com/icc-champio...ion-will-be-known-after-bcci-sgm-on-m-1687319
Generally speaking, when a large group gets together, they end up with more radical decisions. I have every expectation that members of the SGM (who are the representatives of the state boards) will feel quite insulted by what has happened to India and vote to quit the CT.
Why? Because participation will be decided at the SGM.
https://sports.ndtv.com/icc-champio...ion-will-be-known-after-bcci-sgm-on-m-1687319
Generally speaking, when a large group gets together, they end up with more radical decisions. I have every expectation that members of the SGM (who are the representatives of the state boards) will feel quite insulted by what has happened to India and vote to quit the CT.
It is nothing like Brexit. There is a difference between being 15% and 70% of the combined economies.
Again you take an event extrapolate without logic, do you just don't think without using stuff do you? UK was a part of EU not the leader, EU still has France and Germany with germany being bigger than UK, add to that EU itself is a big market which UK will need to sell their goods.
In this case India is the biggest pocket in ICC and India is also the market that everyone one wants, india doesn't depend upon Australian or English tour to earn money but the others do.
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There won’t be a pull-out it’s just an empty threat to make it appear to the outside world that BCCI are somehow still in control of the situation. Besides losing a hefty sum for not participating BCCI will most likely be taken to court by a number of parties wanting to recoup some of their losses as well. So a pull-out won’t do any good to any one. BCCI’s only viable option right now is to take part in CT and re-negotiate an offer around the $400-445 mil range as opposed to the $570 mil. They could have saved all this trouble and most likely walked away with $445 mil in the first place (ie around the same amount they got in 2014 under the big three model) had they not been so damn greedy.
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Taken to court for what?BCCI has not signed an agreement with any sponsor or broadcaster.They have only signed the MPA with ICC.The MPA allows them to withdraw on the two above clauses.The ICC believed they were in control and could give BCCI whatever amount and BCCI will take it and leave it.
The question is not only the revenue amount but clauses in governance as well.BCCI most likely wont sign into slavery and lose all autonomy to arrange bilaterals etc.
Either the ICC will negotiate a figure of 445mn and freedom to BCCI to arrange its tours or the BCCI may have no choice but to withdraw.
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I'll take these from credible sources over the bs you are usually known to dish out. Thank you very much.
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As for the proposed governance changes in the new constitution they were passed 8-2. Time for BCCI to build a bridge and get over it.
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Yeah I guess they could do that but will eventually come to realise that they are the ones on the stranded island not the others 
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More to the point, the Indian state cricket associations will see the massive welfare handouts from ICC money threatened and they will have a tantrum and try to hold the game to ransom.
I think everyone on this forum knows how most of that money gets spent.
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They could do it , We've build a bridge to Sri Lanka once before as well
Well let’s just hope they can for the love of everything good and right in this world. Unless of course you want to see India vs SL over and over again like the good ol days
Until the Big Three came in in 2014, every country got 7.5% of ICC revenue.
The new offer is a reduction for everyone to 7%, an increase for England to 8% and an increase to India up to 16%.
Australia falls by 6.5%
South Africa falls by 6.5%
New Zealand falls by 6.5%
Pakistan falls by 6.5%
Sri Lanka falls by 6.5%
West Indies falls by 6.5%
Bangladesh falls by 6.5%
England goes up by 7.1%
India goes up by 121%
So everyone else is subsidising welfare handouts to India and England.
The new offer is a reduction for everyone to 7%, an increase for England to 8% and an increase to India up to 16%.
Australia falls by 6.5%
South Africa falls by 6.5%
New Zealand falls by 6.5%
Pakistan falls by 6.5%
Sri Lanka falls by 6.5%
West Indies falls by 6.5%
Bangladesh falls by 6.5%
England goes up by 7.1%
India goes up by 121%
So everyone else is subsidising welfare handouts to India and England.
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I think you need to understand what the word "subsidising" means to economists.
The numbers you present show that India was "subsidising" more earlier and less later.
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Mate I think you really either do not understand the meaning of the world "handouts" or just randomly use words , in today's world there's nothing known as a free meal. BCCI was earning that paycheck. PCB /WICB are on social assistance
"Handout" - given to a needy organization. - It doesn't need a genius to figure out that a board which receives 132 mil vs a board who makes 3 x more - who'd be needing social assistance to get by.
Actually, you are wrong.
The BCCI needs three times more because it spends much more than three times more than any other Board. It spends around FIVE times as much as any other Board, according to its own Financial Statements.
And the Woolf Report - which the ICC commissioned - made clear as long ago as 2012 that unregulated handouts to Boards were a terrible use of ICC money, because they carry no accountability and no requirement that the money be spent on anything cricket-related.
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I am not you who dishes out BS. Your hatred for India is well known. The BCCI wil serve a showcause on ICC for breaking the MPA.
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Yeah I guess they could do that but will eventually come to realise that they are the ones on the stranded island not the others
We will see if SLC boycotts a tour to India. LOL.
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I don’t have any hatred for India. What’s wrong is wrong I don’t really care who it is. You on the other hand are just so damn narrow minded and talk so much bs that it ain’t even funny. So hard to take any thing you say seriously.
Yes BCCI has now gone from threatening to pull out of CT to threatening to send out a showcause notice. Why the backdown? This is going to be fun.
SLC is the only board to have voted with India so I’m sure they will run after BCCI like they always do. But great to see the other boards doing the right thing for once.
Yes BCCI has now gone from threatening to pull out of CT to threatening to send out a showcause notice. Why the backdown? This is going to be fun.
SLC is the only board to have voted with India so I’m sure they will run after BCCI like they always do. But great to see the other boards doing the right thing for once.
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I need the numbers from you mate and then compare them with the numbers of the other boards. Talking out of pure emotion is not credible. Now when we have the numbers - we have to look at the numbers proportionally. The BCCI annual report is online and I'v skimmed through it - I'd be glad to compare the numbers with you.
If it indeed spends five times more than other boards , it makes more than FIVE times than the other boards- You need to spend big money to make big money - quite an easy concept I'm sure you have come across.
Also, secondly howmuch ever BCCI spends, that isn't ICC's concern. It will not pay a board 3 times the salary to manage their internal expenses. Do you reckon ICC works in a fashion where you take your bills to the ICC and it allocates funding based on your internal funding ? You have got to be joking me. So if tomorrow WICB and PCB start holding all night island parties and dubai nights and takes the bills to the ICC - their welfare funds of 132 mill would jump to 200 mill because they "overspent" . Sound a tag logical in that.
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Yes lets give all the money to BCCI so they can eat it up in corruption.
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Speaking of corruption, how much do you think PCB deserve?
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PCB are not the ones holding cricket to ransom for their backhanders. You know when an organisation is corrupt when they can't operate within their means.
Perhaps they should ask the government to lift their people from 1 dollar a day so they can contribute rather than extorting cricket.
Your models are all wrong. A hate driven model does not work. Cricket is a unique sport where 90% of the funds come from one country.
We are not leaving ICC.
Kindly explain why and how are you spending $110 mn.
That would not be fair. BCCI should get 80% only.Any more is not fair. You deserve around 2 to 3% also. That is fair.
Why are you being so conservative, don't be scared of these posters. Bring the number up to 98.78 %, that is clearly more accurate.
You may be right. I am being conservative. Thanks for correcting me.
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Will India play CT or not?? any news??
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We'll know on the 7th.
India will definitely make up for the losses incurred due to missing CT. They will surely conduct another IPL this year. As CT will be flop without India, all international players will be eager to participate in IPL again! Let me tell that once BCCI starts organizing 2-3 IPLs in a year, then the interest for International Cricket will gradually die! India will skip all useless/less worthy bilaterals like WI, NZ, Bangladesh, Srilanka, etc. They may still retain high profile (revenue generating) tours like Australia, England, South Africa... (This may also be required to maintain the skill levels of Indian players getting exposed to best talents around! But anyhow if IPL is played throughout the year that itself is enough!)
So it ICC's will to compromise with BCCI, otherwise they will soon be doomed! Now at least there is 1 IPL in the year, leaving 10 months for international cricket. As long as Cricket is a recognized sport in just 6-8 nations, this dominance will continue. ICC should work their hell out to globalize cricket like anything to reach even 10% of FIFA. If BCCI/India is a hindrance for that, they can boycott India and do it if they wish/if they can! ICC should do in the "whole globe" what BCCI has done/is doing in "whole India"! The problem is: the interest for cricket in world is not even 10% as that in India! ICC has to become BCCI to reach Indian market or get satisfied with whatever they get through BCCI.
So the inference is: Rest of the World has no other option but to accept India as the superpower of Cricket and get all the secondary benefits. Else they can boycott India and try to continue playing cricket on non-profit basis/pleasure.
Nope, its time for BCCI to call the bluff and prove once and for all what BCCI contributes to ICC. This way, any future relationship will not be based on smoke and mirrors, but hard numbers.
SL is the first one line to pay the price from BCCI retaliation. Hope its huge one that ruins SLC finances for good. Not that they already aren't
Very little to do with BCCI and more to do with the CoA clowns.
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LMAO you lot are really high on your false sense of power aren't you?
We will see how flop the CT is without India.
Like has been said, don't let the door hit you on your way out.
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CT will be a major flop without india. T
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Can you please elaborate why?
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No defending champions.
No India Vs Pak.
Best batsman missing.
No real audience.
Possible decline in production quality.
Not to mention, the revenue loss.
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No real audience LMAO
The tickets have all been sold out already... Decline in production quality
) ) )Major setback, what major setback? Other than the 70% revenues lost while costs remaining more or less the same, no setback at all.
But the major concern is would it happen? CoA seems to be on mission screwing BCCI.
CoA (and the Supreme Court) is going to look quite bad if India drop out of CT or withdraw from the MPA. That is why they are trying hard to find a compromise, whereas the BCCI ex-officeholders as trying to get India to withdraw.
No real audience LMAO
The tickets have all been sold out already... Decline in production quality
Those tickets were only sold because people thought India were taking part. Now even non-Indian fans will return their tickets and CT will be greeted with empty stands.
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