India coach Anil Kumble tells BCCI that Virat Kohli and Co want to play in CT2017 [Update #319]

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Sane Indians want India to play.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Broadcaster?

Group M is an investment company involved in the media. If they have the BCCI as a client, which I guess they do, of course they are going to say this. Star India, a broadcaster, is obviously going to back India, considering less people in India, watching via Star will watch the tournament. Is that really a bombshell?

Anyway, we all know there will be a hit to advertising revenue if India drops out but we also know India has more to lse. It's board has admitted to not being able to even carry on without ICC monetary handouts, you think they can simply survive without internation cricket? Of course not, you don't have to be a genius to work that one out.

The ICC needs to stick to its guns here and not have the wool pulled over its eyes yet again.

We can survive w/o handouts from ICC. But then we can't prove our point.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sane Indians want India to play.

Sane and real cricket fans. Keyboard warriors wants to see India crush ICC in board room meetings.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Sane and real cricket fans. Keyboard warriors wants to see India crush ICC in board room meetings.

I just want to sit down on my sofa turn on the tv and watch some cricket. I don't why politicians always have to ruin my fun.

 

[Sherlock]

Were they ever going to miss the CT, and not defend their title? Er, no.

All it has shown is their egos were as big as their threats. ICC more than likely knew that and egged on their threats by not backing down.

Let's stick to Cricket and not let monetary issues cloud what could be a great tournament.

 

[R0H1T]

Sane Indians want India to play.

Right & wanting your fair share is insanity, is that why the Aussie players rejected their board's pay offer? No wait, they're just as greedy & corrupt as the evil BCCI

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Right & wanting your fair share is insanity, is that why the Aussie players rejected their board's pay offer? No wait, they're just as greedy & corrupt as the evil BCCI

Boycotting Champions Trophy is insanity.

 

[R0H1T]

Boycotting Champions Trophy is insanity.

Can you suggest another other recourse ~ http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/94420/bcci-adamant-on-sending-legal-notice-to-icc

The ICC has left BCCI with very little alternatives, if any, apart from trashing the MPA. It's that or the IPL, which if the CoA don't mess up, can be expanded to rain hell on ICC's dastardly plans.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pathetic reporting by NDTV. The have twisted the words of the CoA.The CoA has only asked that team be announced with "No prejudice to the legal rights of BCCI" and let the SGM on 7th decide the matter.

Will decide about Champions Trophy participation at SGM: Rahul Johri

MUMBAI: Even as clouds of uncertainty loom over the Indian team's participation in next month's ICC Champions Trophy, BCCI CEO, Rahul Johri, speaking to reporters at the unveiling of the new team jersey on Thursday, said that the final decision on the matter will be taken in the Board SGM on May 7.

"There's an SGM scheduled on May 7. Wait for it. You'll know everything after it," said Johri, even as it emerged that the Supreme Court-appointed Committee of Administrators (COA) issued a warning to BCCI about pulling out of the global event, which begins on June 1. India deliberately missed the April 25 deadline for submission of the squad in the wake of ICC proposing a new financial model which reduces BCCI's revenues from USD 570 million to USD 293 million.

The BCCI and ICC are currently at loggerheads since then. At the ICC meet on April 26, BCCI was cornered on the revenue model and the governance structure issues by other boards.


Meanwhile, Johri launched the new Team India limited overs' blue jersey with official team sponsors Oppo's name on the shirt's front here.



While the Team India members were missing on the occasion as they are currently busy playing the IPL, apart from some top officials of the Chinese mobile phone firm, Diana Edulji, a member of the CoA, and the Board's General Managers, Prof Ratnakar Shetty and Dr MV Sridhar were present. India begin their CT title defence with a marquee clash against archrivals Pakistan on June 4 in Edgbaston, Birmingham. There is, however, uncertainty around that clash too after the Pakistan army killed two Indian soldiers and mutilated their bodies at the LOC in the last few days. "That's for the government, and not us to decide," said Johri, when asked about whether India were certain about playing that game now.


"India is the world's No 3 ranked team and Oppo's faith in us shows their commitment to cricket as a whole and India, in particular," said Johri. "I'm confident we will work together to help cricket grow. It's a perfect marriage," he added. Oppo and the BCCI had signed a five-year team sponsorship deal worth Rs1,079 crore which was announced by the Board on March 7 with the contract commencing on April 1.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...n-at-sgm-rahul-johri/articleshow/58526645.cms

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has responded to the Committee of Administrators (CoA) directive about picking the Indian squad for the 2017 Champions Trophy at the earliest by insisting on sending a legal notice to the International Cricket Council. In his reply to the CoA, BCCI acting secretary Amitabh Choudhary made no mention of when the squad for the tournament will be picked but reiterated that sending a notice will be in the best interests of BCCI.

"I would like to bring to your attention the fact that all that the notice seeks to do is to ask the ICC to remedy the breach that they have committed with regard to the Members Participation Agreement," Choudhary wrote to CoA on Thursday (May 4) according to reports. "The said Agreement envisages a 30-day period to be provided for either of the parties to remedy a breach that may have occurred to the disadvantage of the other party. The draft notice does not talk about any drastic step but merely appropriate consequences. The consequences can only be decided by the General Body of the BCCI as you have recognised in your communication of yesterday to all members since the decision would have long term effects.

"Unless you have an opinion on record that states that the notice period as envisaged under the MPA can be of less than 30 days, your belief that the BCCI's legal rights would not be prejudiced in any manner if a notice is not issued to the ICC prior to SGM may not be well founded.

"I would once again like to reiterate that the notice only seeks to ask the ICC/IBC to remedy the breach that they have committed in a period of 30 days from today and this is not a decision of great magnitude and in fact, on the other hand, not sending a notice may turn out to be a decision of great magnitude since it may have the possible effect of closing an option that may be available to the BCCI within a given time frame. Further, not sending the notice in time may amount to dereliction of duty on my part."

Choudhary cites the Members Participation Agreement which has become a key factor in the duel between BCCI and ICC. "It is evident that the ICC-IBC has breached the clauses 6.4 (a), (c), (d) and (e) affecting the BCCI's interests adversely," says a copy of the notice that the BCCI intends to send to ICC. The Members Participation Agreement is a legally binding document between ICC and all its members. The BCCI, it is understood, can revoke on the MPA if its interests are not protected.

Choudhary, in his letter to CoA, added, "If the General Body of the BCCI takes a decision that is contrary to law, I would presume you would approach the Hon'ble Supreme Court but a decision that is well within the rights of an organisation to take to protect its interests and rights can hardly be contested.

"I am of the view that one need not lose sight of the fact that it is not only about the changes made to the revenue share but also about the proposed changes to the governance structure as is borne out even by the communication sent out on behalf of the CoA earlier to ICC and signed by the CEO.

"I would like to emphatically state that the interest of our players is paramount to us and any suggestion to the contrary by anyone would be utterly devoid of merit. The BCCI or its member units have not lost sight of anything. I would also like to assure you that till an agreement is in place, the BCCI will do everything it can to honour the agreement and I had even kept you informed on all decisions in this regard including the selection of the team for the ensuing Champions Trophy."

Choudhary reiterated that they have the majority on their side and most of the board members are of the view that a notice should be sent to the world governing body. "I would like to reiterate that it is absolutely imperative that the Notice to ICC/IBC asking them to remedy the breach within a period of 30 days be sent today as a matter of abundant caution," he said.

BCCI is displeased with the proposed new revenue distribution model, with its share being slashed from a current $570 million to a projected $293 million. The board also rejected Shashank Manohar's offer of an additional $100 million after the ICC meeting in Dubai last month.

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-new...legal-notice-to-icc-for-champions-trophy-2017

The BCCI has already replied to the CoA and no squad has been selected.

 

[R0H1T]

It's all nonsense.

A bunch of BCCI hardliners from the state cricket associations whose funding the BCCI cannot afford to continue without a lavish handout from the ICC, including a certain N Srinivasan, defied the COA's direction not to vote on boycotting the Champions Trophy.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...sts-discuss-ICC-Champions-Trophy-boycott.html

Of course the COA then emailed the BCCI to inform them that no such decision is to be taken without COA approval.

Source: http://www.newindianexpress.com/spo...rmission-vinod-rais-mail-to-bcci-1600156.html

The heck are you talking about, if anything India's giving handouts to the ICC & many other boards!

 

[Specialisttailender]

Nothing much mate,sadly Bahubali 2,Delhi elections,Vinod Khanna's death are taking up most of the coverage not to forget RCB's terrible performance.

Do you think Indiam team cares about Baahubali 2 ? Im sure they are very sad stuck in this drams. Im 90% sure we'll be playing CT no matter what.

 

[TalhaSyed]

So has the BCCI finally realised where they stand?

Have they realised that they have got nothing to gain by pulling out of the CT?

Have they realised that they are nothing without the support of the ICC and the ICC members?

Have they realised how heavily reliant they are on the ICC and the ICC members to make that big pile of money they are sitting on?

Have they realised that if they do something stupid - such as pull out of the CT - they will be isolating themselves from the rest of the cricketing world?

Have they realised that if they go to war with the ICC, the ICC can and WILL retaliate back and WONT just roll over?

The BCCI probably has realised that. Heck - I would go as far as saying that they always knew that, but just wanted to chance their luck at getting some extra money from the ICC.

However, I bet that the BCCI's fans still have not realised any of that. On the odd chance that some of them even have realised it, they have they have dragged this out for way too long and made this into such a matter of ego/pride that they will never be smart enough to accept/admit to it. Instead they will come up with flawed logic and reasoning in a desperate attempt to 'save face', consequently continuing to portray themselves as biased and illogical posters who can never be taken seriously.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So has the BCCI finally realised where they stand?

Have they realised that they have got nothing to gain by pulling out of the CT?

Have they realised that they are nothing without the support of the ICC and the ICC members?

Have they realised how heavily reliant they are on the ICC and the ICC members to make that big pile of money they are sitting on?

Have they realised that if they do something stupid - such as pull out of the CT - they will be isolating themselves from the rest of the cricketing world?

Have they realised that if they go to war with the ICC, the ICC can and WILL retaliate back and WONT just roll over?

The BCCI probably has realised that. Heck - I would go as far as saying that they always knew that, but just wanted to chance their luck at getting some extra money from the ICC.

However, I bet that the BCCI's fans still have not realised any of that. On the odd chance that some of them even have realised it, they have they have dragged this out for way too long and made this into such a matter of ego/pride that they will never be smart enough to accept/admit to it. Instead they will come up with flawed logic and reasoning in a desperate attempt to 'save face', consequently continuing to portray themselves as biased and illogical posters who can never be taken seriously.

The BCCI stand will be officially notified on 7th of May.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Can someone explain why BCCI doesn't want a change in governance ?Wasn't it not just about the money ? What if ICC agrees to $450M but refuses to go back to the old governance ? Will we still threaten to pull out ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Star to ICC: Few Takers for Champions Trophy Minus India

New Delhi: With the ongoing tussle between the ICC and the BCCI making India’s participation in the Champions League doubtful, Star Sports has made it clear to the international body that the mega event will have few takers as far as advertisers are concerned if Virat Kohli and his boys are not a part of the event.

Speaking to Cricketnext, a source in Star India said that the host broadcasters were forced to write to the ICC after major multinationals started sending feelers to the broadcasters that they weren’t willing to buy inventories unless India’s participation was confirmed.

“It is unethical and so I won’t take names, but one of the major multinationals wrote a mail to us asking about whether India would indeed participate in the tournament or pullout because they would decide accordingly on investing money in buying ad time in the tournament,” he said.

He went on to further explain that it was a clear case of demand and supply and there was nothing wrong on part of the advertisers to feel the heat because very few people in India would have interest in the tournament if India is not a part of it.

“See, the companies will buy inventories because they want to reach the consumers through Star. But then, the reality is that the Indian market and the Indian viewers will be interested in the tournament only when you have the Indian boys in action.

“Hypothetically speaking, if a company like Maruti wants to buy inventories for the Champions Trophy, they will only do so if India is playing. Otherwise, their quarterly target will not be completed and in such a scenario, they will want to invest in other companies. So the concern on whether their investment is secure is normal,” he said.

And the source says that the broadcasters were forced to write to Star as investors want clarity on the issue.

“The broadcasters are paying for the rights of the event. Now, if they cannot recover the value, then it is a problem. And with India’s fate still undecided, advertisers are thinking twice about investing for the Champions Trophy. They have even said that the rates suit them only if India is a part of the tournament as they can then go ahead and reach their target audience,” he revealed.

Clearly, it is just not the ICC who want BCCI to be a part of the Champions Trophy, but even the host broadcasters want the same.

But the BCCI has made it clear that under the current circumstance, pulling out of the tournament is the right decision keeping Indian cricket’s interest in mind.

“We realise that pulling out of the Champions Trophy would also mean pulling out of the future ICC events, including the World Cup as per the Members Participation Agreement (MPA). But we have our back against the wall and there is no option left with us because to come down from $571m to $293m as per the revenue model of the ICC is just not possible.

“Also, let me reiterate, it is not just about the money. We are also not willing to accept the changes in governance model. At the end of the day, it is about our country and the interest of Indian cricket which cannot be sacrificed under any circumstance. We had requested them to wait for 2-3 months, but Manohar took the opportunity to kick us when we are down,” a BCCI official told Cricketnext.

But the Committee of Administrators have asked BCCI to not take any damning step as that would force them to move the Supreme Court.

“It is not in the interest of Indian cricket for BCCI to take any drastic step/measure which may result in breakdown of negotiations between BCCI, ICC and other cricket boards, especially since there is sufficient time between now and ICC conference to be held in June, 2017, for a negotiated outcome to be arrived at," the COA said.

In fact it also asked the BCCI to announce the squad for the Champions Trophy on Thursday.

"It would be appropriate to make all necessary preparations for ensuring that Team India can successfully defend its title in the ICC Champions Trophy 2017 which commences on 1st June 2017. You are aware that the squad representing India at the ICC Champions Trophy 2017 was to be submitted by 25th April 2017 but the squad has not even been selected as yet.

“Please convene a meeting of the selection committee for selecting the squad immediately. The squad can then be submitted to the ICC without prejudice to BCCI’s legal rights," the COA wrote to the BCCI.

http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...for-champions-trophy-minus-india-1392547.html

This is what the official broadcaster has to say [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can someone explain why BCCI doesn't want a change in governance ?Wasn't it not just about the money ? What if ICC agrees to $450M but refuses to go back to the old governance ? Will we still threaten to pull out ?

Because the governance pattern as envisaged by ICC causes damage to BCCI. It limits the BCCI's rights to organise bilateral tours according to its will. It also gives extra voting rights to ICC Chairman and a Female "independent director. If a board plays its cards well there can be a case of a country having 3 votes at the ICC( 1 as Member board,1 as chairman,1 as independent director) and so on.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So what will he say?We dont want to play in CT?

 

[TalhaSyed]

So has the BCCI finally realised where they stand?

Have they realised that they have got nothing to gain by pulling out of the CT?

Have they realised that they are nothing without the support of the ICC and the ICC members?

Have they realised how heavily reliant they are on the ICC and the ICC members to make that big pile of money they are sitting on?

Have they realised that if they do something stupid - such as pull out of the CT - they will be isolating themselves from the rest of the cricketing world?

Have they realised that if they go to war with the ICC, the ICC can and WILL retaliate back and WONT just roll over?

The BCCI probably has realised that. Heck - I would go as far as saying that they always knew that, but just wanted to chance their luck at getting some extra money from the ICC.

However, I bet that the BCCI's fans still have not realised any of that. On the odd chance that some of them even have realised it, they have they have dragged this out for way too long and made this into such a matter of ego/pride that they will never be smart enough to accept/admit to it. Instead they will come up with flawed logic and reasoning in a desperate attempt to 'save face', consequently continuing to portray themselves as biased and illogical posters who can never be taken seriously.

Right on cue....

http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...for-champions-trophy-minus-india-1392547.html

This is what the official broadcaster has to say [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

So let me get this straight - a 'sauce' from Star INDIA told News 18 that there will not be much interest if India do not participate in the "Champions League"

Then the icing on the cake - this 'sauce' goes onto say that he wont take names since it is unethical, however, he doesn't see how unethical it is to leak supposed inside information from the company which has supposedly employed you

Hilarious

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

Sane and real cricket fans. Keyboard warriors wants to see India crush ICC in board room meetings.

any follower of indian team would want to see His team play on the field . they win or lose is secondary.
anyway what would a fan like me and you earn from these feuds anyway?
and if Bcci has so much trust in ipl earnings than lets assume Bcci decides not to sent its team in CT.
then do they think australia and england wont call their players back from ipl?

 

[JaDed]

440 million was somewhat fair, COA did try to be reasonable,just get on with it and do whatever you want with next year's IPL. Even Sachin and dravid are pushing for it.

 

[Hitman]

Right on cue....





So let me get this straight - a 'sauce' from Star INDIA told News 18 that there will not be much interest if India do not participate in the "Champions League"

Then the icing on the cake - this 'sauce' goes onto say that he wont take names since it is unethical, however, he doesn't see how unethical it is to leak supposed inside information from the company which has supposedly employed you

Hilarious

More hilarious is that Cricinfo is reporting the same

 

[cricketjoshila]

Right on cue....





So let me get this straight - a 'sauce' from Star INDIA told News 18 that there will not be much interest if India do not participate in the "Champions League"

Then the icing on the cake - this 'sauce' goes onto say that he wont take names since it is unethical, however, he doesn't see how unethical it is to leak supposed inside information from the company which has supposedly employed you

Hilarious

News 18 is not some masala two pence reporting website.Its one of India's biggest media organisation, so you can laugh all you want at your own delusions.

 

[R0H1T]

Right on cue....





So let me get this straight - a 'sauce' from Star INDIA told News 18 that there will not be much interest if India do not participate in the "Champions League"

Then the icing on the cake - this 'sauce' goes onto say that he wont take names since it is unethical, however, he doesn't see how unethical it is to leak supposed inside information from the company which has supposedly employed you

Hilarious

Knock knock, common sense anyone hello! Star beams straight to South Asia, probably drives 90% of it's revenues from India & you think this isn't an open secret? The CT without India will be an unmitigated disaster for Star & could very well bankrupt the ICC.

 

[abughio]

Thanks kohli and co.

We want to see better cricket.. with india in CT. It would be better ofcourse.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Seems some "Indian" has again become the judge of who is sane and real Indian Fan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

440 million was somewhat fair, COA did try to be reasonable,just get on with it and do whatever you want with next year's IPL. Even Sachin and dravid are pushing for it.

450mn and no governance changes is the fair offer.

 

[RehanG]

i think all of Indian players want to play. This is just a administrative matter and should not be mixed with the actual game of Cricket.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Good for the tournament and cricket

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

any follower of indian team would want to see His team play on the field . they win or lose is secondary.
anyway what would a fan like me and you earn from these feuds anyway?
and if Bcci has so much trust in ipl earnings than lets assume Bcci decides not to sent its team in CT.
then do they think australia and england wont call their players back from ipl?

You are right. But some self appointed BCCI spokesperson wants to teach ICC a lesson and are more interested in watching battles behind the closed doors. Sorry for real cricket fans that is boring. We want to see some action on the field. Good to see indian legends like sachin, dravid, kumble and future indian legend too want to see India defend champions trophy. If we want to show to the world that we are powerful lets show it on the ground.

 

[JaDed]

450mn and no governance changes is the fair offer.

What is the current benefit of governance? If they have say un FTP that isn't fair to other teams.
Have always argued jn favour of higher revenue but governance cannot be held only by BIG 3 ,that isn't fair.

 

[Major]

How did anyone ever think that India was going to pull out is well and truly - beyond me.

oh stop pretending here.

only coming out after the final verdict.

India could had done anything.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What is the current benefit of governance? If they have say un FTP that isn't fair to other teams.
Have always argued jn favour of higher revenue but governance cannot be held only by BIG 3 ,that isn't fair.

unFTP?

Because the governance pattern as envisaged by ICC causes damage to BCCI. It limits the BCCI's rights to organise bilateral tours according to its will. It also gives extra voting rights to ICC Chairman and a Female "independent director. If a board plays its cards well there can be a case of a country having 3 votes at the ICC( 1 as Member board,1 as chairman,1 as independent director) and so on.

These are some of the changes BCCI has objections to.

 

[Syed1]

Glad some Indians have more sanity than others. Well done to Kohli and Co.

 

[cricketjoshila]

oh stop pretending here.

only coming out after the final verdict.

India could had done anything.

Final verdict has come?When? I thought everyone was waiting for the SGM on 7th May?

 

[TalhaSyed]

Knock knock, common sense anyone hello! Star beams straight to South Asia, probably drives 90% of it's revenues from India & you think this isn't an open secret? The CT without India will be an unmitigated disaster for Star & could very well bankrupt the ICC.

Knock knock - learn to read. Where did I say that broadcasters won't be hit hard by India pulling out?

I was merely pointing out the quality of articles our beloved CJ Bhai follows. Articles which claim that Indias participation in the "Champions League" in doubt whilst interviewing 'inside sauces' who talk about ethics

Anyway - would you please elaborate on how a CT without India could bankcorrupt ICC? Any figures, stats or facts to back that up or just talking from Jamba and chest thumping?

News 18 is not some masala two pence reporting website.Its one of India's biggest media organisation, so you can laugh all you want at your own delusions.

You talking about delusions is more ironic than the 'sauce' talking about ethnics

More hilarious is that Cricinfo is reporting the same

Ah finally at least you use a credible source, which isn't full of inside 'sauces' telling news outlets about inside news, whilst staying anonymous and talking about ethics

What's the most hilarious thing is people on here thinking that BCCI can pull out of the CT and get off the hook without any backlash

So let's summarise:

- Star will be hit hard by India pulling out the CT. Sure the Indian broadcaster will struggle to show a competition in India in which India is not participating

- Let's not quote articles in which they can't even get the name of the competition right and are quoting 'inside sauces' talking about ethics

- People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. So CJ, please don't talk about other people's 'delusions'

And finally - the bottom line...

Raise your hand if you think Star will pull out of broadcasting the CT if India don't show up and jeprodise its deal with the ICC of broadcasting 18 ICC events between 2015 and 2023?

 

[R0H1T]

Knock knock - learn to read. Where did I say that broadcasters won't be hit hard by India pulling out?

I was merely pointing out the quality of articles our beloved CJ Bhai follows. Articles which claim that Indias participation in the "Champions League" in doubt whilst interviewing 'inside sauces' who talk about ethics

Anyway - would you please elaborate on how a CT without India could bankcorrupt ICC? Any figures, stats or facts to back that up or just talking from Jamba and chest thumping?

So how do the ICC pay ECB (hosts) money in excess of $100 million on the back of India backing out? Do you happen to know of any other financiers of this very expensive tournament, aside from STAR? Can you estimate the losses if India pulls out & the advertisers sue the heck out of them in India, should STAR not refund their money? Also there's just two broadcasters, but STAR India is likely the major stakeholder.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

So how do the ICC pay ECB (hosts) money in excess of $100 million on the back of India backing out? Do you happen to know of any other financiers of this very expensive tournament, aside from STAR? Can you estimate the losses if India pulls out & the advertisers sue the heck out of them in India, should STAR not refund their money? Also there's just two broadcasters, but STAR India is likely the major stakeholder.

Star buys rights from ICC to show tournaments on its platform. How star make money from then on is their concern not ICC..

 

[R0H1T]

Star buys rights from ICC to show tournaments on its platform. How star make money from then on is their concern not ICC..

So you don't think the ICC can get sued for that, must be nice day dreaming eh?

 

[dildildalwalla]

We can survive w/o handouts from ICC. But then we can't prove our point.

According to your BCCI, you can't

 

[cricketjoshila]

Star buys rights from ICC to show tournaments on its platform. How star make money from then on is their concern not ICC..

And STAR wont sue the ICC if there are material changes in the quality of the tournament, if the biggest market isnt part of it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

According to your BCCI, you can't

Asking for rightful share of money isnt asking for handouts.

 

[TalhaSyed]

So how do the ICC pay ECB (hosts) money in excess of $100 million on the back of India backing out? Do you happen to know of any other financiers of this very expensive tournament, aside from STAR? Can you estimate the losses if India pulls out & the advertisers sue the heck out of them in India, should STAR not refund their money? Also there's just two broadcasters, but STAR India is likely the major stakeholder.

Excess of $100 million?

Please correct me if I am wrong but 2013 Champions Trophy (also hosted in England) cost the ICC $33 million. So why is this one costing "in excess of $100 million"?

In 2013 the ICC made a revenue of $111 million - a net surplus of $78 million - do you think that will drop to 0 if India don't show up?

Do you think the broadcasters will pull out if India don't show up?

Sure the broadcasters will take a hit with regards to advertisement if India don't show up, however, do you think they would have something in their contracts to protect them against such situations which are out of their control? I mean if BCCI have a clause in their contract with the ICC which enables them to boycott ICC events - and suffer no consequences according to CJ - then do you not think that Star would have included a clause in their contracts protecting their backsides from being sued if something like this was to happen which is completely out of their control?

At the end of last years, the ICC's comprehensive income was $263 million - do you seriously think so highly of BCCI that you feel the ICC cannot run a single event without their support?

Plus - if all else fails - the ICC offered BCCI $400 million over the period of 8 years. If BCCI are keen to boycott the ICC, then thats $400 million freed up which could be utilised elsewhere (e.g. paying Star, paying ECB, paying sponsors/advertisers etc.)

 

[amit]

As for Manohar last time I checked he’s the independent chairman of the ICC. Absolutely pathetic to see people blaming him as if he's in any way responsible for this mess. The man should be applauded finally someone at the top with actual cojones doing their job properly and putting the interests of the game first. The real disgrace is the crook still pulling BCCI’s strings from behind the scenes to the detriment of all.

Fully agree. Interest of the sport needs to be put 1st

Big 3 model was a disaster and the current revenue model seems fair for all. BCCI should be happy with their $293 million share which is 2.5 times more than what others are getting

 

[TalhaSyed]

Fully agree. Interest of the sport needs to be put 1st

Big 3 model was a disaster and the current revenue model seems fair for all. BCCI should be happy with their $293 million share which is 2.5 times more than what others are getting

The truth has been spoken!

Completely agree man!

However, be careful, because in the eyes of some Indian PPers, holding your opinion makes you an "alleged Indian" and not an actual Indian

 

[R0H1T]

Excess of $100 million?

Please correct me if I am wrong but 2013 Champions Trophy (also hosted in England) cost the ICC $33 million. So why is this one costing "in excess of $100 million"?

In 2013 the ICC made a revenue of $111 million - a net surplus of $78 million - do you think that will drop to 0 if India don't show up?

Do you think the broadcasters will pull out if India don't show up?

There was this other thread, started last year I think which showed how much the ICC is paying for the CT vs WT20 in India & the costs was well in excess of $100 million IIRC, big debate on that one too.

No but where do they get the major chunk from, hint it starts with an S. The loss of revenue for STAR, if not appropriately compensated by the ICC will force them to sue the latter. You can't expect the buyer (Star) to furnish the full $ amount when he's getting an inferior product i.e. CT minus India.

Sure the broadcasters will take a hit with regards to advertisement if India don't show up, however, do you think they would have something in their contracts to protect them against such situations which are out of their control? I mean if BCCI have a clause in their contract with the ICC which enables them to boycott ICC events - and suffer no consequences according to CJ - then do you not think that Star would have included a clause in their contracts protecting their backsides from being sued if something like this was to happen which is completely out of their control?

At the end of last years, the ICC's comprehensive income was $263 million - do you seriously think so highly of BCCI that you feel the ICC cannot run a single event without their support?

Plus - if all else fails - the ICC offered BCCI $400 million over the period of 8 years. If BCCI are keen to boycott the ICC, then thats $400 million freed up which could be utilised elsewhere (e.g. paying Star, paying ECB, paying sponsors/advertisers etc.)

No they can't have contingencies based on every xyz random scenario, Star paid over 2 billion based on the fact (I'm sure ICC made a presentation) that India would participate in such events. If & when India doesn't show up the ICC refund STAR some amount, can't speculate how much, or get sued in return.

Yes, the IPL rights sold in 2007(?) brought more $ in the game than any number of events or rights sold till the last one from ICC in 2015. India itself is the blood line of cricket sever them & the international game will die a slow painful death, outside of the Ashes most tours will not be profitable ventures without Indian money. Though Indian money does not equate to the BCCI, the Indian market & especially sponsors provide a disproportionate amount of money to the run the game, that should be apparent to anyone who's watching WI vs Pak on Ten sports or the tie up between NZC, CA & ECB wherein they're looking to bundle packages to Indian broadcasters.

 

[TalhaSyed]

There was this other thread, started last year I think which showed how much the ICC is paying for the CT vs WT20 in India & the costs was well in excess of $100 million IIRC, big debate on that one too.

No but where do they get the major chunk from, hint it starts with an S. The loss of revenue for STAR, if not appropriately compensated by the ICC will force them to sue the latter. You can't expect the buyer (Star) to furnish the full $ amount when he's getting an inferior product i.e. CT minus India.
No they can't have contingencies based on every xyz random scenario, Star paid over 2 billion based on the fact (I'm sure ICC made a presentation) that India would participate in such events. If & when India doesn't show up the ICC refund STAR some amount, can't speculate how much, or get sued in return.

Yes, the IPL rights sold in 2007(?) brought more $ in the game than any number of events or rights sold till the last one from ICC in 2015. India itself is the blood line of cricket sever them & the international game will die a slow painful death, outside of the Ashes most tours will not be profitable ventures without Indian money. Though Indian money does not equate to the BCCI, the Indian market & especially sponsors provide a disproportionate amount of money to the run the game, that should be apparent to anyone who's watching WI vs Pak on Ten sports or the tie up between NZC, CA & ECB wherein they're looking to bundle packages to Indian broadcasters.

Ok well the figures I quoted were from the ICC Financial Report for 2013 and 2015 respectively - not a PP thread. Do you still think that ICC cannot absorb the costs associated with hosting the Champions Trophy?

Sure - there will be negotiations required between Star, ICC, advertisers/sponsors and also other cricket boards if India was to pull out - however - none of that suggests that the ICC will go bank corrupt.

Things such as a tournaments being called of or a team being unable to participate in an ICC event is a very plausible contingency to have in a contract. As already stated - sure at the most - all the parties involved will have to renegotiate the terms of the contract, but to say the ICC will go bank corrupt is a very far fetched claim.

Why would STAR damage their relationship with ICC and throw away this deal they have of hosting 8 years worth of ICC events by suing the ICC? The only reason for STAR to do that would be if the BCCI offers them more than what the ICC is offering, but then what happens to STAR if next year India re-join ICC events?

Why would sponsors and advertisers want to burn bridges by suing STAR or going after the ICC?

Why would ICC want to sever ties with their main broadcaster, advertisers or sponsors and get into a legal battle with them?

All parties involved would of course have to renegotiate the terms of the contract if India is to pull out of the CT, however, not all parties involved are ran by egotistical, money grabbing, idiots who can't see tcan't see the wood for the trees like the BCCI is.

Sure - ICC does get a lot of money from BCCI - but the ICC was formed in 1909 (107 years ago) and the BCCI really became a financial force in the 2000's, maybe even as late as 2007 when the IPL burst onto the scene (10ish years ago). The ICC and world cricket survived before the BCCI's money came into the picture and they can survive without it. Sure the money not being there will make a difference - however - again, theres nothing to suggest (neither statistically or historically) that it will bank corrupt the ICC.

 

[R0H1T]

Ok well the figures I quoted were from the ICC Financial Report for 2013 and 2015 respectively - not a PP thread. Do you still think that ICC cannot absorb the costs associated with hosting the Champions Trophy?

Sure - there will be negotiations required between Star, ICC, advertisers/sponsors and also other cricket boards if India was to pull out - however - none of that suggests that the ICC will go bank corrupt.

Things such as a tournaments being called of or a team being unable to participate in an ICC event is a very plausible contingency to have in a contract. As already stated - sure at the most - all the parties involved will have to renegotiate the terms of the contract, but to say the ICC will go bank corrupt is a very far fetched claim.

You're assuming the PP thread was quoting figures out of thin air, AFAIK it wasn't.

It depends on how the ICC pays back STAR, STAR gets the rights to ICC events & then resells them to say a Supersport(s?) in SA or Fox in Aus, Sky in NZ & England et al. That's how they make money in countries where they don't have direct presence.

The tournament is not being called off, that'll certainly bankrupt the ICC &/or ECB. However what STAR is getting atm is a lamborghini with a 4 cylinder engine, that is what'll lead them to losses & since they're not an NGO they have every right & intent to sue the ICC, should the latter be unable to compensate them for the shortfall in revenue.

Why would STAR damage their relationship with ICC and throw away this deal they have of hosting 8 years worth of ICC events by suing the ICC? The only reason for STAR to do that would be if the BCCI offers them more than what the ICC is offering, but then what happens to STAR if next year India re-join ICC events?

Why would sponsors and advertisers want to burn bridges by suing STAR or going after the ICC?

Why would ICC want to sever ties with their main broadcaster, advertisers or sponsors and get into a legal battle with them?

All parties involved would of course have to renegotiate the terms of the contract if India is to pull out of the CT, however, not all parties involved are ran by egotistical, money grabbing, idiots who can't see tcan't see the wood for the trees like the BCCI is.

Sure - ICC does get a lot of money from BCCI - but the ICC was formed in 1909 (107 years ago) and the BCCI really became a financial force in the 2000's, maybe even as late as 2007 when the IPL burst onto the scene (10ish years ago). The ICC and world cricket survived before the BCCI's money came into the picture and they can survive without it. Sure the money not being there will make a difference - however - again, theres nothing to suggest (neither statistically or historically) that it will bank corrupt the ICC.

Because the ICC events draw a major premium due to India, we'll see what STAR does to the ICC & their money (paid by STAR) should the BCCI withdraw for the 8 year cycle. There is a reason why the ICC fixes (as in schedules) Ind/Pak matches in every event, why do you think that we faced only once till the 5th WC & then pretty regularly ever since?

The terms of the contract are not be renegotiated unless there's already remedial action prescribed in such events, so either the ICC compensates STAR or they make a write off (along with STAR) & then renegotiate another contingency such as the one currently playing out.

That depends on whether the BCCI makes an ICC competitor & wants to bleed them out, in which case it could be the ICC + 9 other someone's against the 10,000 pound gorilla. It all depends on who plays their cards right. As things stand right now, the BCCI is virtually powerless under the SC, should the CoA be more willing, BCCI could carve world cricket into two & play the waiting game out with IPL money. Make no mistake about it, ICC events may survive (if ICC is still intact) but 90% bilateral tours won't happen outside of the Ashes.

 

[Mamoon]

oh stop pretending here.

only coming out after the final verdict.

India could had done anything.

Oh bhai, not everyone is naive enough to think that India will not play in ICC tournaments.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Oh bhai, not everyone is naive enough to think that India will not play in ICC tournaments.

Even if ICC refuses to listen to Indian demands?

 

[Mamoon]

Even if ICC refuses to listen to Indian demands?

ICC will bend backwards to have India play in tournaments. They know how damaging it (India not playing) will be. On the same note, India is also aware of the fact that it does need international cricket, and isolating itself from the ICC completely is not in their interests, regardless of what some people might think. Ultimately, India will get what they want, but they also know that they will have to make some compromise.

 

[JaDed]

unFTP?



These are some of the changes BCCI has objections to.

Genuine concerns on those clauses.

 

[JaDed]

Do you think Indiam team cares about Baahubali 2 ? Im sure they are very sad stuck in this drams. Im 90% sure we'll be playing CT no matter what.

They don't man,surely lot of our players were looking forward for it.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Sane and real cricket fans. Keyboard warriors wants to see India crush ICC in board room meetings.

Wonder who's to decide who is sane and who is a real cricket fan

I see nothing wrong in fighting for your rights. If that's being insane and a fake cricket fan, so be it!

 

[Itachi]

Sane Indians want India to play.

Depends upon frame of reference.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Glad some Indians have more sanity than others. Well done to Kohli and Co.

Kohli became a star because he has performed against oppositions having players like smith, root, de villiers. He and other indian cricketers know that very well. Imagine a situation where smith, root, williamson are playing against each other while players like kohli are banging their heads on the wall.

Thank god cricket is not run by keyboard warriors otherwise they would have taught everyone a lesson for not siding with them.

If BCCI decides to boycott ICC and international cricket like some of these spokesperson claim cricket will be dead in India. This is not football.

 

[amit]

The truth has been spoken!

Completely agree man!

However, be careful, because in the eyes of some Indian PPers, holding your opinion makes you an "alleged Indian" and not an actual Indian

See my posts from a long time. I never supported BCCI on this issue, posted many anti-BCCI posts. And I always support the truth

There is no need to support BCCI just because I am an Indian

 

[Eagle_Eye]

And STAR wont sue the ICC if there are material changes in the quality of the tournament, if the biggest market isnt part of it.

NO they cannot. They are getting a ICC tournament to broadcast.... this is basic stuff but You guys are so desperate that mild delusions are getting more and more grand..... and more and more hilarious for the rest of us...

What's next? The United Nations security council will pass an urgent resolution for ICC to give into greedy BCCI.

The biggest revelation of this entire saga is that Despite IPL, other domestic tournaments and home series income, it requires ICC handouts otherwise it's broke!!

 

[Syed1]

Kohli became a star because he has performed against oppositions having players like smith, root, de villiers. He and other indian cricketers know that very well. Imagine a situation where smith, root, williamson are playing against each other while players like kohli are banging their heads on the wall.

Thank god cricket is not run by keyboard warriors otherwise they would have taught everyone a lesson for not siding with them.

If BCCI decides to boycott ICC and international cricket like some of these spokesperson claim cricket will be dead in India. This is not football.

Bhai if BCCI decides to boycott ICC then be ready for 8-10 month IPL. What are you going to do? There is always room on our bandwagon

 

[TalhaSyed]

See my posts from a long time. I never supported BCCI on this issue, posted many anti-BCCI posts. And I always support the truth

There is no need to support BCCI just because I am an Indian

Absolutely!

I have nothing against India and I very open about my Indian background on here before

However, BBCI is a joke and there's no two way around it

 

[TalhaSyed]

You're assuming the PP thread was quoting figures out of thin air, AFAIK it wasn't.

It depends on how the ICC pays back STAR, STAR gets the rights to ICC events & then resells them to say a Supersport(s?) in SA or Fox in Aus, Sky in NZ & England et al. That's how they make money in countries where they don't have direct presence.

The tournament is not being called off, that'll certainly bankrupt the ICC &/or ECB. However what STAR is getting atm is a lamborghini with a 4 cylinder engine, that is what'll lead them to losses & since they're not an NGO they have every right & intent to sue the ICC, should the latter be unable to compensate them for the shortfall in revenue.

Because the ICC events draw a major premium due to India, we'll see what STAR does to the ICC & their money (paid by STAR) should the BCCI withdraw for the 8 year cycle. There is a reason why the ICC fixes (as in schedules) Ind/Pak matches in every event, why do you think that we faced only once till the 5th WC & then pretty regularly ever since?

The terms of the contract are not be renegotiated unless there's already remedial action prescribed in such events, so either the ICC compensates STAR or they make a write off (along with STAR) & then renegotiate another contingency such as the one currently playing out.

That depends on whether the BCCI makes an ICC competitor & wants to bleed them out, in which case it could be the ICC + 9 other someone's against the 10,000 pound gorilla. It all depends on who plays their cards right. As things stand right now, the BCCI is virtually powerless under the SC, should the CoA be more willing, BCCI could carve world cricket into two & play the waiting game out with IPL money. Make no mistake about it, ICC events may survive (if ICC is still intact) but 90% bilateral tours won't happen outside of the Ashes.

What I'm saying is I trust the figures in the ICC Annual Financial Report a lot more than I trust the figures on fan forum.

Again - the deal and the logistics of the deal will have to be renogiated if India pull out - there's no doubt about that.

However, all I see in your post is the assumption that companies like Star & ICC are lead by money grabbing morons who run the BCCI and
bravado with phrases like:

- Lamborghini with 4 cylinder engine
- ICC + 9 others vs 10,000 pound gorilla
- India is the blood line of cricket serve (from a previous post)

Look of course STAR won't be happy if India pulls out since that is STARs biggest market and they would like ICC and BCCI to work out their differences. However, At this moment in time there is nothing to suggest that STAR will pull out of broadcasting ICC events if India don't show up. It was also be a very brash, short sighted and BCCI-like move by STAR to pull out.

As for the "10,000lb BCCI vs ICC + 9 others" scenario - firstly I'm glad you acknowledge that if BCCI boycotts the Champions Trophy they will be going against the ICC (and consequently the ICC members) and will have to face a backlash of some sort. There's some posters on here who talk a lot, but say very little and cannot see that basic fact.

Anyway - I digress - the BCCI vs ICC + 9 others scenario. If that show down is to go down - please tell me how long will the IPL money last, specially without the support of the "ICC + 9 others"? We once had a tournament that was very similar to the IPL - the only major difference was that it didn't get the backing of the ICC + 10 others - it was called the ICL - how did that end up?

How much would BCCI make make if it goes against "ICC + 9 others"? How much money do domestic competitions without the backing of "ICC + 9 others" (e.g. The Rajni Trophy) make?

 

[R0H1T]

NO they cannot. They are getting a ICC tournament to broadcast.... this is basic stuff but You guys are so desperate that mild delusions are getting more and more grand..... and more and more hilarious for the rest of us...

What's next? The United Nations security council will pass an urgent resolution for ICC to give into greedy BCCI.

The biggest revelation of this entire saga is that Despite IPL, other domestic tournaments and home series income, it requires ICC handouts otherwise it's broke!!

WTH are you talking about, do you even know how broadcast rights even work? It's like saying the lead broadcaster wouldn't go after FIFA if Brazil wouldn't play the world Cup & European sponsors wee to withdraw from the footy World Cup. This is basically the same, you don't pay the price for a Ferrari when you're getting Camry under the hood.

 

[USofA]

NO they cannot. They are getting a ICC tournament to broadcast.... this is basic stuff but You guys are so desperate that mild delusions are getting more and more grand..... and more and more hilarious for the rest of us...

What's next? The United Nations security council will pass an urgent resolution for ICC to give into greedy BCCI.

The biggest revelation of this entire saga is that Despite IPL, other domestic tournaments and home series income, it requires ICC handouts otherwise it's broke!!

The problem here is with the ICC. Why are they "handing out" all this money? That too disproportionately. The BCCI can ask for anything, but why is the ICC giving it? They are just being enablers and not doing right for the game of cricket.

If all it takes is overspending and go broke to get "free" money then all other boards should do that too.

 

[Moh@n]

[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

https://www.indianexpress.com/artic...for-champions-trophy-in-england-3011471/lite/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/1054575.html

 

[cricketjoshila]

NO they cannot. They are getting a ICC tournament to broadcast.... this is basic stuff but You guys are so desperate that mild delusions are getting more and more grand..... and more and more hilarious for the rest of us...

What's next? The United Nations security council will pass an urgent resolution for ICC to give into greedy BCCI.

The biggest revelation of this entire saga is that Despite IPL, other domestic tournaments and home series income, it requires ICC handouts otherwise it's broke!!

Really how?

Fighting for your rightful share doesnt mean you are broke.

The rich stays rich by making sure that he doesnt squander its money and saves every penny that can be saved and earn every penny that can be earned.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

The problem here is with the ICC. Why are they "handing out" all this money? That too disproportionately. The BCCI can ask for anything, but why is the ICC giving it? They are just being enablers and not doing right for the game of cricket.

If all it takes is overspending and go broke to get "free" money then all other boards should do that too.

For ICC money, they should give out same basic "appearance money" and thereafter based on where you finished in the tournament and also where you are in rankings. I guarantee you will see lot more competitive cricket all round.

 

[TalhaSyed]

[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

https://www.indianexpress.com/artic...for-champions-trophy-in-england-3011471/lite/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/1054575.html

Yea so here's what the Cricinfo article says:

Despite speculation of the Champions Trophy budget being upwards of US $100 million, it is understood that the overall budget for the quadrennial ICC tournament is less than $60 million. The total operational costs calculated for the Champions Trophy is about $23 million, while the fixed costs, which include host fee, member fee, prize money, is about $20 million.

The remaining costs of approximately US$17 million, which is the major difference between the World T20 and Champions Trophy budgets, is for marketing and publicity expenses, but will be covered under the Value in Kind (VIK) with no direct cost to the ICC or its members.

So the CT costs ICC $43 million...

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Really how?

Fighting for your rightful share doesnt mean you are broke.

The rich stays rich by making sure that he doesnt squander its money and saves every penny that can be saved and earn every penny that can be earned.

What rightful share? Tournaments belong to ICC. Greedy BCCI wants to steal everyone else's share.

Look, the con is over, get over it or move on.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What rightful share? Tournaments belong to ICC. Greedy BCCI wants to steal everyone else's share.

Look, the con is over, get over it or move on.

The rest of the countries cant even bring what they are getting. The effort to gang up and rob BCCI of its share will not work.

 

[Specialisttailender]

According to your BCCI, you can't

That is their claim to prove a point.

 

[Junaids]

Knock knock, common sense anyone hello! Star beams straight to South Asia, probably drives 90% of it's revenues from India & you think this isn't an open secret? The CT without India will be an unmitigated disaster for Star & could very well bankrupt the ICC.

How?

Star and the other broadcasters have already paid in full for the ICC Champions Trophy broadcast rights.

Only 8 teams qualify, so there is clearly no legally binding guarantee of any team participating - the West Indies didn't qualify.

Of course Star is complaining. They paid extravagantly for the rights because they thought that India would be playing (as I am sure they will be).

But they would not have a leg to stand on if they tried to sue the ICC if India boycotts the trophy because:

1. No country is guaranteed a place - even the holder is not guaranteed a place.

2. As usual, the BCCI has very conveniently left a massive papertrail of their own culpability, including:
i) Failing to submit a squad by the ICC's cutoff date.
ii) Holding a meeting AFTER the squad selection date to discuss withdrawing from the tournament.
iii) Drafting a motion to that effect.

3. In contrast, the ICC has:
i) Drawn India into a group.
ii) Booked accommodation for India's team at every venue.
ii) Sold tickets for India's matches.

Of course Star is trying desperately to protect its investment: they have effectively been taken hostage by the BCCI to try to drive up the size of the ICC handout to the overspending and cash-strapped BCCI.

But any court of law would see in an instant that:

1. The ICC has delivered what it is required to deliver and
2. The potential damage to Star TV's investment is because the BCCI - not the ICC - is using it as a hostage in a completely separate negotiation process.

 

[SL_Fan]

The most recent news I came across was that BCCI was negotiating around the figure of 450 mil which I think it would be a great deal. I'd do it for 400 mil too

Well I can’t find any news on BCCI leaning towards re-negotiating a deal? It seems to be all about trying to send out a show-cause notice to ICC and threatening to terminate the MPA. That too despite CoA doing their level best to get BCCI to the negotiating table and bring some sanity back to the situation. Has Srinivasan written all over it for mine.

 

[SL_Fan]

An ex-BCCI official is believed to have used 'fake' govt support to build consensus against ICC

TOI has learnt that an email was sent by a former BCCI honcho to all state associations to build consensus over issuing a notice to the International Cricket Council (ICC) for breaching the Member Participation Agreement (MPA) with the Indian board. The email said that they had the backing of the government and the decision to send the notice was signed by 23 state associations.

According to a source, the recently-displaced BCCI official approached a top government leader to seek his opinion on the current impasse between the BCCI and the ICC. The senior BJP functionary apparently advised him to follow the natural course of justice, which is to allow the Indian team to take part in the ICC Champions Trophy and reach an agreement with the world governing body without washing dirty linen in public.

Sources said the BCCI official came out of the meeting and called the Committee of Administrators (CoA) and said the Indian government supports the extreme stand of the BCCI members. "To this, CoA told the official that he wasn't legally qualified to talk about cricket," the source added.

Later, the BCCI official individually, as well as through his secretary, began calling all state officials saying the Indian government was supporting the move to pull out of the Champions Trophy. When the Union Minister came to know that his name was being used to build a consensus against ICC, he was furious.

"The BCCI member just gatecrashed and started talking about the BCCI-ICC politics. That member was asked to follow the rule book without hurting the image of the game. But unfortunately, the member completely twisted the facts," a source close to the BJP leader told TOI.

It was also revealed that if the BCCI walks out of MPA it not only means that it will not take part in the Champions Trophy but also not play on the world stage at all from 2017 to 2023. "Though a few want to pull out of the Champions Trophy and question the breach of MPA, a majority still does not want cricket to suffer," a senior board member said.

 

[RamLakhan]

Proper Cricket fans in India knows the difference between extremes. We want India to play cricket, but at the same time we don't want ICC or anyone dictate terms to India. It is only after BCCI became strong and also money started to flow that's when Indian cricket team (whole team, not just 1 or 2 individuals) started to become stronger, professional, superb bench-strength... We want India to play Cricket (international), but at the same time remain competitive (as in last 1 or 2 decades). We don't want India to lose badly and bang our heads in the stadiums, burn effigies of cricketers, blast TV sets, etc! We want cricket in India to be played in proper competitive mind set, true spirits and professional (of course with whole patriotism) The last T20 world cup was the best example (where our team was competitive, but could not go on to win the cup because other teams performed well! Still we were happy for our team's spirited performance! We watched all the games happily, showed patriotism, and also supported the opponents <WI> when they beat us!) This is how cricket should be taken in India (with right mixture of patriotism and professionalism) We don't want to go back to bad old days, where Indian team used to win odd matches where we jumped like monkeys (ask Bangladeshis of today!) and then burn with anger & anguish and draw red eyes from outside world (ask Pakistanis how they feel about Bangalore World Cup match & Kolkota test match!) We want BCCI to be like this (rigid & professional) just for this sole reason! Of course a common man of India (key board warriors as pointed out!) is not going to be directly helped with what & how much money BCCI (or Govt. in other cases) makes, but surely we want India to play cricket (+ be competitive at that). If a common man like me should not worry about this (money/BCCI), then I should not worry about the game itself in that case (Play cricket on my own with my friends or forget the game completely & concentrate on my money making, other pleasures, etc!) Hope people (non-Indians and our own self-proclaimed patriotic Indians) understands this! Nobody will run charities for long (unless money keeps flowing to them from random sources!), everyone is concerned about money and so is BCCI (will Pakistani players play cricket for free and give all the money to ICC to help cricket grow in Palestine, Syria, etc?)

For once we (I) thought that Indian Cricket is down in confidence (especially Kohli) so we felt better skip this CT (for this primary reason), so actually this BCCI/ICC money debacle has come as a blessing in disguise! But then we don't want to be such big cowards, because we know India/Kohli can get back to form anytime (and they can do in this CT itself!) We were just taking everything into account... Finally I am a lot more happier fan of Indian Cricket in last 10-15 years than I was before! Of course before I was a better fan of the game of cricket in general (used to enjoy the WI alround abilities, Pakistani bowling, Australian fighting spirits, professionalism of England - the very art of cricket), but at the same time used to have bitter pain of Indian team's hapless shows at most times and certainly I don't want to go back there!

 

[RamLakhan]

Today Indian cricketers can afford to spend money on Gym, their physique, professional aspects (even at root level). Look at the fielding of today's Indian players, their athleticism... (Compare that to Pakistan who are still dependent on their raw skills!) Also we are so strong in our bench-strength to an extent that we can actually have a pretty decent 'A' team! All this happened because of BCCI's administration, strength and hold (of course there are demerits also from IPL, etc, but there is nothing on earth which has pros and cons, the key thing is to balance them properly!)

 

[USofA]

For ICC money, they should give out same basic "appearance money" and thereafter based on where you finished in the tournament and also where you are in rankings. I guarantee you will see lot more competitive cricket all round.

But that is not what the ICC is proposing. They continue to be incompetent with $$. If the revenues from ICC tournaments belong to them, then they are also responsible for how it is spent. Right now they are being very irresponsible and biased towards the BCCI by offering them $400 million while offering peanuts to the rest.

The ICC is the problem here.

 

[Hawkeye]

Kohli became a star because he has performed against oppositions having players like smith, root, de villiers. He and other indian cricketers know that very well. Imagine a situation where smith, root, williamson are playing against each other while players like kohli are banging their heads on the wall.

Thank god cricket is not run by keyboard warriors otherwise they would have taught everyone a lesson for not siding with them.

If BCCI decides to boycott ICC and international cricket like some of these spokesperson claim cricket will be dead in India. This is not football.

Dude...you and SIF. are the most neutral and sensible parosis that we have on the forum. Kudos to you for not losing sense of reality.

 

[90MPH]

BCCis acting president has just confirmed that India will play in the champions Trophy and that the squad will be announced on Monday.

I kept saying this was all a charade and desperate last minute drama to try to blackmail the ICC. They were always going to play no matter what these blind BCCI fans wanted to tell us.

Thankgod the ICC showed some backbone for once and stood their ground. Days of BCCI flexing their muscles to get whatever they want is over.

 

[USofA]

BCCis acting president has just confirmed that India will play in the champions Trophy and that the squad will be announced on Monday.

I kept saying this was all a charade and desperate last minute drama to try to blackmail the ICC. They were always going to play no matter what these blind BCCI fans wanted to tell us.

Thankgod the ICC showed some backbone for once and stood their ground. Days of BCCI flexing their muscles to get whatever they want is over.

What muscles? Going by other threads here, they have no muscles. They are dead broke. So at $400 million they are already robbing the ICC and making out like bandits. The ICC in the mean time is just sitting and watching this happen right in front of their eyes.

 

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What muscles? Going by other threads here, they have no muscles. They are dead broke. So at $400 million they are already robbing the ICC and making out like bandits. The ICC in the mean time is just sitting and watching this happen right in front of their eyes.

Exactly behave like everyone else. Just because you have a bigger population thus bringing more TV Money doesn't mean you can keep intimdating others like the BCCi have since the ridiculous secret 2014 deal was signed.
This is not a businesss but a sport so keep that in mind before demanding everything like some Mafia organisation demands it.

 

[USofA]

Exactly behave like everyone else. Just because you have a bigger population thus bringing more TV Money doesn't mean you can keep intimdating others like the BCCi have since the ridiculous secret 2014 deal was signed.
This is not a businesss but a sport so keep that in mind before demanding everything like some Mafia organisation demands it.

The intimidation is still working. Just to a lesser extent, thats all. Otherwise why would the BCCI get $400 million while the rest get peanuts.

My point was that the ICC is as much the problem as BCCI. Even after all of this the ICC is still giving a huge chunk of $$$ to the BCCI. The ICC is not treating everyone equally.