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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-62722597
What a brave lady, it cant be easy going up against the BJP/RSS extremists.
Lets hope these fake charges are thrown out by Indias court.
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India court acquits 69 Hindus of murder of 11 Muslims during 2002 riots
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-62722597
What a brave lady, it cant be easy going up against the BJP/RSS extremists.
Lets hope these fake charges are thrown out by Indias court.
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Awesome lady.
May she win the case.
May she win the case.
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I had not heard of Citizen for Justice and Peace. Seems like a brilliant organistion which has helped so many people.
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] Do you know how or if I can donate to Citizen for Justice and Peace?
Started by Javed Akhtar, Vijay Tendulkar, A catholic priest and a Parsi. A social justice organization.
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Amazing, great to see different people from various backgrounds and faiths uniting for justice in India.
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Of course the Hindutva goon government will make up allegations to stop her. Reason why I called her very brave.
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Good observation.
I can see BJP cheerleaders trying to find her non-existent faults.
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The FIR was registered against her after the Supreme Court observed that people were involved in falsifying evidence to create a false narrative in Gujarat.
The Bench of Justices AM Khanwilkar, Dinesh Maheshwari and CT Ravikumar also appreciated the SIT members for the "indefatigable work done", and having "come out with flying colours unscathed."
"At the end of the day, it appears to us that a coalesced effort of the disgruntled officials of the State of Gujarat along with others was to create sensation by making revelations which were false to their own knowledge. The falsity of their claims had been fully exposed by the SIT after a thorough investigation," the judgment said.
Such officials need to be in the dock for "keeping pot boiling" with ulterior motive, the Court underlined.
"Intriguingly, the present proceedings have been 305 pursued for last 16 years including with the audacity to question the integrity of every functionary involved in the process of exposing the devious stratagem adopted (to borrow the submission of learned counsel for the SIT), to keep the pot boiling, obviously, for ulterior design. As a matter of fact, all those involved in such abuse of process, need to be in the dock and proceeded with in accordance with law," the Court
This is the observation of the supreme court.
So before you make such comments try to learn the facts
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She is one of the persons involved in trying to create a false narrative and action was initiated against her after recent supreme court observations.
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Those responsible for the communal riots in Gujarat were "taught such a lesson" that the state has been peaceful for 22 years, Union Home Minister Amit Shah said on Thursday, at a rally ahead of next week's elections.
"During the Congress rule in Gujarat (before 1995), communal riots were rampant. Congress used to incite people of different communities and castes to fight against each other. Through such riots, Congress had strengthened its vote bank and did injustice to a large section of the society," Mr Shah said in Mahudha town of Kheda district.
"There have been many riots in Bharuch, curfew, violence. There was no room for development in Gujarat because of the chaos. In 2002, they tried to indulge in communal violence... we taught them such a lesson, we put them in jail. It's been 22 years, we have not put a curfew even once. BJP has done the work to bring the peace to a land that saw frequent communal riots," he said.
Over 1,000 people were killed in the three-day violence in Gujarat in 2002 and the state police faced grave charges of not doing enough to stop the riots that began after a train coach carrying pilgrims was burnt in Godhra, killing 59 people.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been cleared of any wrongdoing by investigations into the Gujarat riots. Earlier this year, the Supreme Court rejected an appeal against his exoneration in one of the cases linked to the killings.
Amit Shah is one of the BJP's top campaigners for the elections in the state, set to be held on December 1 and 5. Results are expected on December 8.
The BJP has pulled out all stops to maintain its hold on PM Modi's home state, which it has ruled since 1998, as it faces a stiff challenge from Arvind Kejriwal's Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) and the Congress.
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"During the Congress rule in Gujarat (before 1995), communal riots were rampant. Congress used to incite people of different communities and castes to fight against each other. Through such riots, Congress had strengthened its vote bank and did injustice to a large section of the society," Mr Shah said in Mahudha town of Kheda district.
"There have been many riots in Bharuch, curfew, violence. There was no room for development in Gujarat because of the chaos. In 2002, they tried to indulge in communal violence... we taught them such a lesson, we put them in jail. It's been 22 years, we have not put a curfew even once. BJP has done the work to bring the peace to a land that saw frequent communal riots," he said.
Over 1,000 people were killed in the three-day violence in Gujarat in 2002 and the state police faced grave charges of not doing enough to stop the riots that began after a train coach carrying pilgrims was burnt in Godhra, killing 59 people.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been cleared of any wrongdoing by investigations into the Gujarat riots. Earlier this year, the Supreme Court rejected an appeal against his exoneration in one of the cases linked to the killings.
Amit Shah is one of the BJP's top campaigners for the elections in the state, set to be held on December 1 and 5. Results are expected on December 8.
The BJP has pulled out all stops to maintain its hold on PM Modi's home state, which it has ruled since 1998, as it faces a stiff challenge from Arvind Kejriwal's Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) and the Congress.
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An Indian court on Thursday acquitted 69 Hindus, including a former minister from the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), of the murder of 11 Muslims during communal riots in the western state of Gujarat in 2002.
The killings occurred in Ahmedabad on Feb 28, 2002, a day after a suspected Muslim mob set fire to a train carrying Hindu pilgrims, setting off one of independent India's worst outbreaks of religious bloodshed.
A total of 86 Hindus were accused of the killings in the Naroda Gam district of Ahmedabad, 17 of whom died during trial. All the accused were free on bail.
“We have been saying from the first day that they were framed," defence lawyer Chetan Shah, who represented 82 of the accused, said. "Some of the accused were not present at the scene on the day of the incident."
Shamshad Pathan, who represented the victims, said they would challenge the court's decision in a higher court.
“Justice has eluded the victims once again. We will study the grounds on which the court has acquitted the accused persons," Pathan said.
Those acquitted include Maya Kodnani, a former minister of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's BJP, who was a lawmaker at the time of the riots, former Bajrang Dal leader Babu Bajrangi, and Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) leader Jaydeep Patel.
Also read: Indian court acquits 26 accused of rape, murder in 2002 Gujarat riots
Bajrang Dal and VHP are Hindu nationalist groups and have close links to the BJP.
Kodnani was also an accused in a case in which 97 people were killed in the 2002 riots. She was convicted but later acquitted by a higher court.
At least 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, were killed across Gujarat in the 2002 riots. Activists put the toll at over twice that number.
Critics accused Modi, who was chief minister at the time, of failing to protect Muslims. Modi denied the allegations and a Supreme Court-ordered investigation found no evidence to prosecute him.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/241300...dus-of-murder-of-11-muslims-during-2002-riots
The killings occurred in Ahmedabad on Feb 28, 2002, a day after a suspected Muslim mob set fire to a train carrying Hindu pilgrims, setting off one of independent India's worst outbreaks of religious bloodshed.
A total of 86 Hindus were accused of the killings in the Naroda Gam district of Ahmedabad, 17 of whom died during trial. All the accused were free on bail.
“We have been saying from the first day that they were framed," defence lawyer Chetan Shah, who represented 82 of the accused, said. "Some of the accused were not present at the scene on the day of the incident."
Shamshad Pathan, who represented the victims, said they would challenge the court's decision in a higher court.
“Justice has eluded the victims once again. We will study the grounds on which the court has acquitted the accused persons," Pathan said.
Those acquitted include Maya Kodnani, a former minister of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's BJP, who was a lawmaker at the time of the riots, former Bajrang Dal leader Babu Bajrangi, and Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) leader Jaydeep Patel.
Also read: Indian court acquits 26 accused of rape, murder in 2002 Gujarat riots
Bajrang Dal and VHP are Hindu nationalist groups and have close links to the BJP.
Kodnani was also an accused in a case in which 97 people were killed in the 2002 riots. She was convicted but later acquitted by a higher court.
At least 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, were killed across Gujarat in the 2002 riots. Activists put the toll at over twice that number.
Critics accused Modi, who was chief minister at the time, of failing to protect Muslims. Modi denied the allegations and a Supreme Court-ordered investigation found no evidence to prosecute him.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/241300...dus-of-murder-of-11-muslims-during-2002-riots
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Are you kidding me!!! Babu Bajrangi acquitted?
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The BJP have no ceiling. The more people vote for them, the more ridiculous things will get. Thankfully, there is an end in sight.
I've said this many times. Everyone who feels secure allying with the BJP - it is just a matter of time before you are displaced and made to feel like the 'other'. The BJP's idea of homogeneity is an extremely flawed principle for a country like India.
The urban Brahmin who feels most secure being a bhakt today, will have their wings clipped by the rural Brahmin tomorrow. And it goes on from there.
But it's ok. The resistance is already underway.
Can't wait for the day when Modiji leaves for his retirement home, tears streaming down his facelifted cheeks. It will be one of the happiest days of my life.
And it's coming soon
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Hopefully andhbhakhts will retire on the same day.The BJP have no ceiling. The more people vote for them, the more ridiculous things will get. Thankfully, there is an end in sight.
I've said this many times. Everyone who feels secure allying with the BJP - it is just a matter of time before you are displaced and made to feel like the 'other'. The BJP's idea of homogeneity is an extremely flawed principle for a country like India.
The urban Brahmin who feels most secure being a bhakt today, will have their wings clipped by the rural Brahmin tomorrow. And it goes on from there.
But it's ok. The resistance is already underway.
Can't wait for the day when Modiji leaves for his retirement home, tears streaming down his facelifted cheeks. It will be one of the happiest days of my life.
And it's coming soon
Now you will know why some Indians are so vehemently up in arms against the bigot. He buys anything and anyone he wants, even the judiciary is not spared from his tentacles.
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But this is wrong as per some congress clowns and questioning judiciary.
Hypocrisy has no limit.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When MUSLIMS gets acquitted,<a href="https://twitter.com/sardesairajdeep?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sardesairajdeep</a> declares them NOT-GUILTY & asks:<br>“Who will give accused their years in jail back?”<br><br>When HINDUS gets acquitted,<br>Rajdeep declares them GUILTY & says:<br>“judicial system’s failure to prosecute the guilty”. <a href="https://t.co/XXMsZOT4zS">pic.twitter.com/XXMsZOT4zS</a></p>— Shashank Shekhar Jha (@shashank_ssj) <a href="https://twitter.com/shashank_ssj/status/1649288050026086407?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] an example of what I meant when I mentioned the hard-heartedness of bhakts.
You are free to believe anything bcoz your bias is known to all. But you see in court of law, judgements are not given based on who whims but rather on proof. If there are no proof, court acquits them...its basic law. All these selective rona dhona and hypocrisy as highlighted by the poster above, dosen't really matter.
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Your vision of India as a hindu rashtra is slowly and steadily taking shape. Congratulations.
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) From whining about Nehru to now crying over some random journalist's comments. The whining never stops. You have power, the lower courts, most of the institutions but still... but still 
the lack of conviction won't stop the disgruntlement.Love it.
Thanks mate but its not just my vision, its the demography and the reality of sub-continent. As I said many times before, you cant have a seperate country in neighbourhood exclusive for muslims but expect 80% hindus in India to remain secular. It is wrong, hypocritical and an unjust compromise. This compromise, which was forced on India in 1947, has ran its course and now people have started raising their voice. You can NEVER have European style liberal secular democracy in Indian subcontinent...it NEVER gonna work.
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That is a revealing post. I'm doubt even the other Modi supporters have extreme positions like saying that modern India's founding document, the Constitution, should be done away with. Or maybe I am wrong.
Do the others hold these views too ? [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=155966]uppercut[/MENTION] [MENTION=134230]gani999[/MENTION]
[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] Which part of the Constitution are you referring to that makes India similiar to a European style liberal secular democracy ? Genuinely curious.
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Love it.
They are in their own deluded world.
Imagine having to defend Maya Kodnani and Bajrangi.
What a fall from grace from the Nirbhaya protests lol.
And these people talk about Rama Rajya.
)One day the tide will turn.
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The BJP have no ceiling. The more people vote for them, the more ridiculous things will get. Thankfully, there is an end in sight.
I've said this many times. Everyone who feels secure allying with the BJP - it is just a matter of time before you are displaced and made to feel like the 'other'. The BJP's idea of homogeneity is an extremely flawed principle for a country like India.
The urban Brahmin who feels most secure being a bhakt today, will have their wings clipped by the rural Brahmin tomorrow. And it goes on from there.
But it's ok. The resistance is already underway.
Can't wait for the day when Modiji leaves for his retirement home, tears streaming down his facelifted cheeks. It will be one of the happiest days of my life.
And it's coming soon
You never know.
Karma may hit back in this life too.
You never know.
Humbly request you to stop putting words in my mouth. When did I say get rid of India's constitution?
You congratulated me saying India slowly becoming Hindu Rastra and I said it is bound to happen someday bcoz the demography of Sub Continent is build on lies. When the so called foundation of modern India was laid, were all the people of India were consulted about what type of foundation they want? No. Any referendum was taken? No. It was done at the wish of Lord Mountbatten, Jinnah, Pandit Nehru and Gandhi.
You divided a country based on religion and give a piece of land specifically to Muslims and ask the remaining bit of land has to remain secular where 80% are hindus. Isn't this hypocritical? One day or the other silent majority will raise their voice. And that is exactly what is happening and will continue to happen. What is so unjust and extreme about it? You may have a problem with the word hindu and think its extremist view but majority don't. Even Mahatma Gandhi talked about Ram Rajya.
Anyway, this topic is not about Hindu Rastra, so I will stop here.
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Love it.
You are the one who always whining here and celebrating by posting troll tweets of zuobair and kunal kamra etc..
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Okay but you still haven't specified which actions Nehru, Gandhi & Mountbatten took in 1947 that you are opposed to. India is officially a secular country - which means that hindus, muslims, christians etc.. all have equal rights before the law.
You are opposed to all Indian citizens getting equal rights ?
No need to stop, please continue. This discussion is definitely on topic since the mods have allowed it.
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Why this question of secularism is reserved only for Hindu majority India and not Muslim majority Pakistan and Bangladesh. Do Hindus have more responsibility of secularism than the muslims?
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Are you opposed to all Indian citizens getting equal rights and being equal before the law? Because that is what secularism means.
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It doesn't matter whether I oppose it or not.. The fact is the reality of the world which has all of its attention whether India remains secular or not, and doesn't care about the secular aspects in islamic countries..
Muslims of the world cry about secularism when in minority but none of the Muslim majority countries themselves are secular..
Why do you care whether India is secular or not??.
Why does it matter to you.. Would you like all the islamic countries to change their constitution to a secular one??
Muslims of the world cry about secularism when in minority but none of the Muslim majority countries themselves are secular..
Why do you care whether India is secular or not??.
Why does it matter to you.. Would you like all the islamic countries to change their constitution to a secular one??
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Why in a topic about India are you deflecting the discussion towards Islamic countries ? What does that have to do with me.? Please answer the question I posed to you.
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India claims itself to be secular so obviously questions will be asked. Now please answer which islamic country claims itself to be secular, but is not?
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Typical response of people like you who would only like to pose questions to others while not looking inwards and ask themselves whether they deserve to question others when they themselves have no answers to the same questions.
Inspite of that I'll answer you knowing the question I asked from you won't be answered..
I want all countries in the world and all world citizens turn to secularism. Secularism should not be a burden for select countries like India but all. I would be the happiest if everyone practices secularism equally whether a person is a Hindu, muslim ,Christian or an atheist
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India claims itself to be secular so obviously questions will be asked. Now please answer which islamic country claims itself to be secular, but is not?
No Muslim country claims to be secular .but they all want non Muslim countries to be secular one.. I don't know why
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Because the said countries claim to be secular and want to stand amongst the developed nations as their equals.
If you can accept that India is not a developed country then that would be a fair argument.
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Look inwards ?! Here's the bit where I embarrass you and tell you that I'm neither a Pakistani nor a muslim so your comments about islamic countries have zero relevance here.
I am still an Indian citizen ... and I want the law there to apply equally to all religions. Do you agree that this how it should be in India today, banana-man ?
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Why do you care whether a particular country is secular or want to stand amongst developed countries..
India can never be a developed country if it remains a secular country
Secularism brings people from all groups of society especially marginalised group of the world to ur doorstep which means you have a large group of poor societies from every religion flock to your gates rather than outwards to other part of the world.
Except India every secular country in the world turned to secularism only after developing itself ad when they turned to secularism their downfall has started.
India leaders declared their country to be secular when they were suffering .. this suffering will continue till they remain secular. Pakistan and Bagladesh atleast don't have marginalised Hindus from India flocking towards them, while India have Rohingyas, Bangladeshi Muslim, Pakistani Hindus ad Christians.. every damn poor marginalised unfortunate ready to eat into India's resources
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Why don't you want only India to be secular.. where is spirit of ""Vasudhev kutumbkam"" whole world is your family..
Don't you care about marginalised groups of Jews in Muslim countries, ahmadiyas in Pakistan, Hindus in Bangladesh??
Why do you care only about Muslims in India, you should care about minorities in every country not just India
Hence unless every country in the world turns to secularism, Indians should not strive to be secular.
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Imagine a secular Pakistan.. just imagine
Secular Pakistan would have to divide their resources towards Hindu temples, properties, subsidy towards hindu pilgrimage to India. In addition to that poor Dalits of India in millions being refugees in Pakistan.
Pakistan would not have survived 15 years after independence
Secular Pakistan would have to divide their resources towards Hindu temples, properties, subsidy towards hindu pilgrimage to India. In addition to that poor Dalits of India in millions being refugees in Pakistan.
Pakistan would not have survived 15 years after independence
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You're arguments are gettting foolish and more bigoted with each successive post.
Indian isn't poor because muslims, christians and other minorities in India were given equal rights to that of Hindus. The country is poor because of a combination of corrupt politicians, 50 years of socialism/license raj and huge chunks of the population having poor levels of education aka illiteracy. Your comment makes even less sense when considering Pakistan - a muslim country - is poorer than India today.
Clearly you're getting your information from reading hyper-sanghi forums, books and articles. I have never heard of this argument before, not even from Modi supporters here on PP. Totally original !
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I don't know where in the post which you are quoting I mentioned India is poor because of secularism.. You have lost all sense of debate and u have turned totally to lies
Try to understànd my point rather than winning the argument..you won't get anything winning the debate here.. but if you try to understand my point you may get what I want to say.. you may not agree with me but you may see where am I going with this
My point is unless India's neighbour and rather the world turn to secularism, India shouldn't be secular too..
India is not a seperate entity and it has to live with the world. Islamic countries are smart and hence despite being less advanced technologywise they are in much better place in the world compared to a secular one.
Secularism offers no advantage in this world
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You're such a dishonest fella. These are your words to MenInG above-
"India leaders declared their country to be secular when they were suffering .. this suffering will continue till they remain secular."
In other words, India is poor and still suffering because it was declared secular in 1947 i.e due to the migration from Pakistan, Bangladesh .. the people of India remain poor and are suffering. The biggest load of rubbish I've heard. I feel proper embarrassed for you now. Instead of the clear causes of poverty I've given above, you make it about illegal immigration.
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And please don't assume I belong to sanghi or a particular group. I would happily convert and accept Islam if India becomes a Islamic state. I respect Islam more tha you think and if you go through my YouTube wall it is filled with lectures from Islamic scholars..
I'm just a guy with supreme sense of nationalism who wants my people and my country to progress economically so that they can progress spiritually..
It can never happen in a pseudo secular society like ours..
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Doesn't mean I am a sanghi..if I turn to a religion it would be Islam most probably.. too bad I am an athiest
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Chatting with you has fried my brain. [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134695]Robbie[/MENTION] I got to hand it to you, I've heard some totally original theories today about secularism. It gave me a good chuckle.
According to master strategist Robbie, India would've been rich and prosperous if only they had declared themselves a hindu state in 1947. All the illiteracy, corruption and socialist rate of growth of the last 60 years would have vanished into thin air.
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Why not? You are posting from Great Britain so you must think European style liberal secular democracy has plenty of merit, you should be championing it since you moved here to work and experience it.
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You have not seen i assume the state of Muslim refugees from Myanmar ad Bangladesh living in India. You have not seen the state of Hindu migrants from Bangladesh and Pakistan living in Delhi ,UP and Bihar..
All the resources hae been diverted to religious institutions ad religious policies adopted by India. It is very easy to quote poverty but you won't see why..
It's easier to just look away but atleast try and look at their plight.
They might be better off in their originating countries but in Indi their lives are worst than they ever were
Not sure if you are aware but Great Britain is a Christian country, i.e its state religion is Christianity. But it is still a secular democracy where minorities gets all their rights. That is why a Hindu is PM of UK today and a muslim is leader of Scotland.
You cant expect the same level of tolerance and acceptability in Sub Continent. Take Pakistan for example, its state religion is Islam and constitution prohibits any section of minority taking any form of public life. So this European style of secular democracy will NEVER work in Indian sub continent. Forget it.
The question is, what is the solution then? Well, since this country was broken based on religion, equal rights must be given to all. After all, that is secularism right?
An Islamic republic of Pakistan but a secular India without a state religion is quite unfair.
Don't you think so?
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Can you atleast answer this.. why do you just focussing on India regarding secularism?? Why don't you ask the same to Islamic countries. Don't hide behind the excuse of you being an Indian and only focussing on Indian policy Since the world being a global village in this internet age what is your world view??
I have expressed myself and my thoughts to u so it's only natural me being curious about your secular views in the world
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The debate which me and Rex started is worth million times more than the point scoring worthless blame game this thread and you intended
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I just find it unconvincing that when making a case for a religion based state, you have to drag in Pakistan into the equation when we were talking about India. Is every step India takes done through a Pakistan focused lens?
Why? If you believe in a Hindu rashtra ( sitting in UK) good luck to you, but you should be confident enough to promote it on it's own merits rather than have to refer to Pakistan every time.
The problem was that the decision to split India was completely left to Muslims only but once that decision was made ( through majority Muslim vote no less) it wasn't implemented across the country uniformly. Since Muslims across the country voted for forming a separate country for Muslims the expectation was that they would all relocate to that land. However the naive Congress leadership decided to not implement that. And since Gandhi,Nehru were "Hindus" everyone assumed that they represented the Hindu community interests. The truth could not have been more opposite. Fast forward 75 yrs later we have more muslims in India than current day Pakistan and the Wakf board being the 3rd largest land owner in the country but all the fault lines that existed circa 1947 still persist as is which is huge drain on the country.
Ironically the only party that has uniform civil code as one of its party manifesto is the BJP.
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The Indian constitution retains large parts of India act 1935. Its not a wholely new document as it should have been. And thats where a big mistake was made.
The bureaucracy and police both retain the British made structure rules and laws. The British made this structure to keep the natives under the thumb. How can that structure serve the People?
Result is large scale corruption and abuse of power.
The constitution assembly debated a common civil code for all. Nehru wanted only Hindus (its a umbrella term)to be brought under it while Muslims be left out. Sardar Patel Babasaheb SP Mukherjee opposed this. Finally all were left with their personal laws. After Sardar Patel passed away and Baba Saheb resigned and SP Mukherjee died in mysterious circumstances Nehru brought the Hindus under the constitution and left Muslims out.
Ofcourse Hindus came out to protest. Scared Nehru, passed the protection of cows bill in 1956 in UP.
How can a country be secular if the laws are not uniform?
Article 30 of the constitution is inherently biased.
I can give many more examples.
What the constitution needs is whole sale amendments to bring it in line with today's time and aspirations.
Now coming to the Hindu nation thing?
Can India needs to be a Hindu nation? NO
But should it be truly secular? Yes. And secular means uniform laws.
Is becoming a Hindu nation something wrong? NO. There are Muslim nations, Buddhist nations, Christian nations and Jewish nation. So becoming a Hindu nation isn't wrong. But we have crossed that bridge. Now it cannot happen.
India cannot copy the laws or ways of western nations. Our society our culture our history is different. We needs laws suitable to our ways.
The present Supreme court chief justice applying his woke agenda on the people and society via judicial legislation and bypassing the legislature will be a nail in the coffin of our constitution. Unless all political parties come out and fight against it.
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The BJP have no ceiling. The more people vote for them, the more ridiculous things will get. Thankfully, there is an end in sight.
I've said this many times. Everyone who feels secure allying with the BJP - it is just a matter of time before you are displaced and made to feel like the 'other'. The BJP's idea of homogeneity is an extremely flawed principle for a country like India.
The urban Brahmin who feels most secure being a bhakt today, will have their wings clipped by the rural Brahmin tomorrow. And it goes on from there.
But it's ok. The resistance is already underway.
Can't wait for the day when Modiji leaves for his retirement home, tears streaming down his facelifted cheeks. It will be one of the happiest days of my life.
And it's coming soon
They are in their own deluded world.
Imagine having to defend Maya Kodnani and Bajrangi.
What a fall from grace from the Nirbhaya protests lol.
And these people talk about Rama Rajya.
One day the tide will turn.
I don’t get the sense of optimism you have about this ending. I don’t see an end, atleast not in 24. And I shudder to think what will they do to the constitution and Indian institutions if they win again in 24.
I see the pattern of Edrogan repeated here. It’s after 20 years that there is a chance of him being deposed, and that too mainly because of natural disaster. And I don’t wish such a natural disaster on my countrymen and women.
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From Indian history and because I still believe the following:
For a decade and simmering for long before that, Indian Hindus have been craving for an outburst. But beneath the religion-infused emotions, at the end of the day, the average Hindu just wants to make their way through their daily life on earth, look to the needs of their immediate family and watch some movie or cricket/sport.
The reality of our elections is that, it is the Indian Hindu who matters. And it is they who will throw Modi into the bin he emerged from.
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Indian hindu matters. And they are very happy with how most other parties treat them?
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Well, the ROI Hindus just need to look at the way the Modi government has treated the Kashmiri Pandits to get an idea of what lies in store for them.
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ROI hindus just have to look at how hindus are treated in most non BJP states.
Same here.
I don't see 40% of our electorate getting their senses back anytime soon, whatever bad feku does to them. And 40% of popular vote is enough to win you a LS election.
Can you tell what's the worst that has happened in the last 9 yrs and how does Modi still mange >75% popularity despite that?
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I would guess playing on their fears of being seen as a soft touch due to their religion.
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What great suffering have ROI Hindus had to suffer in non-BJP states? What are you talking man.
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Please don't pull out ridiculous figures from unsanitary places
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The BJP couldn't even manage 40% of the votes in 2019, their greatest election victory. Of these, a fair chunk would have voted locally and not for Modi - for example, my sister can't stand Modi but voted for her local MP because he's done a good job and stayed clear of behaving in a communal manner.
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How are those hindus in non BJP states treated? Please explain. You can start from Delhi first.
Minions have been brainwashed exactly like this.
and what is the worst outcome that can be attributed to that ? Approx how many dead, loss of reputation credibility and business impact ?
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It's already happening. BBC is being challenged, this is a worldwide respected institution. Does anyone really believe Modi represents a world view better?
this game about Western media outlets being paragons of virtues has been exposed a long time ago. nobody believes that narrative anymore it is so obvious to see that they are some of the most compromised entities. India is now writing its own narrative. I can assure you that not many give a tiny rats tail about BBC except those with vested interests.
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Sometimes, we might think that a particular situation is impossible to overcome but let me tell you there is a concept called Bhagavad Sankalpam.
If God wants, things can and will change.
I will give you an example of Virat Kohli.
Back in 2021, his decisions started becoming way too erratic (he still was a great test captain but his style of working had turned into pure chaos).
Everyone was complaining but he was too powerful.
After we were up 2-1 in England before returning, I thought nobody could touch Kohli for a few years and his reign will continue.
But guess what happened?
In the next few months, not only did lose his T20 captaincy but events transpired in a way that made him throw away his ODI and Test captaincy too.
So he went from being the most powerful guy in Indian cricket to losing his captaincy in all formats.
All in a span of months.
Right after the Eng tour performance.
If it's meant to be, it's meant to be.
(Even Kohli knows that deep down).
Another example (if you don't mind me being a bit dramatic):
The Hiranyakashipu story.
He was wayyyyyyy stronger than Ravana and he thought he could never be killed due to the boon he had got. He had a ton of conditions imposed on how he would have to be killed and it was almost practically impossible for anyone to do it.
Yet Lord Narasimha made mincemeat out of him in minutes.
Bhagavad Sankalpam.
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Anyways, this applies to Congress as well.
Back in the day, they thought they will work the caste and religion equations and keep winning against a useless BJP....
But today they are begging and crying for votes and wondering if they will ever come back to power.
Today BJP thinks they will play the religion card, destroy social harmony to create rabid supporters, and layer it up with social welfare schemes like ration and become invincible.
Well...we know how this will end.
When God wills, things can and will change.
