India delays Agni-V test launch | India test fires Agni-5, joins elite club [Merged]

[speed]

india's 5000km missile

India has postponed the planned test launch of a long-range intercontinental ballistic missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads, officials say.

The locally-developed Agni-V missile was originally scheduled to have been launched on Wednesday in the eastern state of Orissa.

Defence officials said they had delayed the launch until Thursday because of heavy lightning in the area.

The missile has a range of more than 5,000km (3,100 miles),

"Due to heavy lightning in region, the Agni-V launch is postponed for safety reasons," a spokesman for the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), Ravi Gupta, told the BBC.

Analysts say the Agni (meaning "fire" in Hindi and Sanskrit) missile family is to be the cornerstone of India's missile-based nuclear deterrent.

The missiles are among India's most sophisticated weapons.

In 2010, India successfully test-fired Agni-II, an intermediate-range ballistic missile with a range of more than 2,000km (1,250 miles).

'Game-changer'
Defence analyst Rahul Bedi says a successful test flight of the Agni-V missile, which is capable of delivering a single 1.5-ton warhead deep inside nuclear rival China's territory, would strengthen India's nuclear deterrence once it comes into service by 2014-15.

It is 17.5m-tall, solid-fuelled, has three stages and a launch weight of 50 tons. It has cost more than 2.5bn rupees ($480m; £307m) to develop.

Only China, Russia, France, the US, and Great Britain have such long-range missiles. Israel is thought to possess them.

"Agni-V is to meet our present-day threat perceptions, which are determined by our defence forces and other agencies," DRDO Ravi Gupta spokesman told AFP news agency.

"This is a deterrent to avoid wars and it is not country-specific," he said.

Mr Gupta said India "has a no-first-use policy", and described the country's missile development programme "purely defensive".

VK Saraswat, scientific adviser to Defence Minister AK Antony, told The Hindu newspaper that the launch will mark a "historic day".

"Agni-V is a game-changer and a technological marvel. It is a weapon which can perform multiple functions," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17751991

 

[Gattuso]

ah..damn. Was waiting for the news on this.

 

[speed]

china not happy

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...-missile-military-clout-india-us-relationship

 

[speed]

1 thing if they test this it will land somewhere outside India right?

 

[mithun_minhas]

1 thing if they test this it will land somewhere outside India right?

Probably in the Indian Ocean some where

 

[LethalSami]

what happened to Agni IV???? there was one which blew up a second after takeoff :FoxNEWS

lets hope this doesn't have the same fate

 

[Garuda]

1 thing if they test this it will land somewhere outside India right?

They fire it into Bay of Bengal from Chandipur.

 

[Gattuso]

Ever since our space program matured.. it was just a matter of time before the ICBMs became a reality. The scientists were just waiting for the political nod for this... if we had done this in the 90s we'd have face sanctions from the US .

The range has been carefully worded too.. "greater than" 5000km . For all official reasons it is pointed towards China, but that depends on the payload as to how much greater than 5000km its range could be.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Good move by the Indians, keep angering the big Chinese Dragon. When it breaths then you will know what Angi is

 

[praveen]

So do they test the range and accuracy by identifying before hand the target location, which is random middle of the ocean?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Where's Indianfan? Economy before Military eh?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

PS: What's the Wheeler Island reference signify?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

India pitches for membership of global non-proliferation regimes​

NEW DELHI: India on Wednesday made the most persuasive case for India's "full membership" of the global non-proliferation regimes. In a major policy statement, foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai told a gathering of nuclear experts that "the logical conclusion of partnership with India is its full membership of the four multilateral regimes."

Mathai, unusually, gave a detailed exposition of India's own strategic export control regime, national laws governing trade in sensitive items and its enforcement mechanisms. The aim, said officials, was to be more open about India's own efforts and systems while making a more compelling case for New Delhi's membership to the non-proliferation regimes. India's efforts to join the four top non-proliferation regimes - Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), Missile Technology Control regime (MTCR), Australia Group and Wassenaar Arrangement - started out in November 2010, but the campaign is yet to acquire critical mass.

While India is yet to make a formal application to join the regimes, its proposed membership has started a debate in these clubs. Over the next few months, all four clubs will be holding their plenary sessions where the Indian case will figure prominently. The government believes the top diplomat's statement today will provide an impetus to India's case and stir the debate. Another complaint has been about India's almost brahminical approach to what its doing in the non-proliferation field. Thus far, there has been little attempt by the Indian government to explain its non-proliferation objectives, systems and mechanisms to the world. With Mathai's speech, the government is also trying to clear the cobwebs about itself to the world.

In the months since November 2010, when India made a bid to join these groups, India has held several "outreach" sessions with all four. Mathai said he was in Vienna in March for the NSG outreach, while he expected to conduct an Australia Group outreach within the next few weeks. But its now being felt in the government that the Indian campaign has to move into higher gear. Today was a sort of opening salvo. Mathai clarified India has placed 12 out of 14 of its nuclear reactors under international safeguards, which puts India well within the deadline for compliance with its separation plan. He also reiterated India's commitment to ratify the additional protocol which envisages more intrusive checks into India's civilian nuclear sector.

India's membership is not an easy decision. First, there is an NPT adherence that is seen as crucial criteria. India has not signed the NPT and is not likely to do so, as a non-nuclear weapons state. So India's membership into these groups would have to take this refusal into account. Trying to transcend this hurdle, Mathai suggested they look at the bigger picture. "There are underlying objectives and principles that are common to all the regimes to which India subscribes to fully as it has demonstrated responsible non-proliferation and export control practices and has shown the ability and willingness to contribute substantially to global non-proliferation objectives." Whether this is acceptable is not yet clear. Although India wants to join with the four regimes in tandem, the NSG is believed to be the more important one. This year, India believes that with the US at the helm of NSG, its case might be easier.

Mathai said India, has the ability to produce and manufacture a large portion of the products that are controlled by these regimes. "As India's integration with the global supply chains moves forward, it would be in the interest of the four regimes that India's exports are subject to the same framework as other major supplier countries." It effectively puts the onus elsewhere - that outside the club, India can still manufacture sensitive items and they would be unregulated by the non-proliferation regimes. This should be a powerful argument for India being inside the tent. Of course, he left unsaid the fact that China's decision to supply nuclear reactors to Pakistan without the NSG waiver, has actually emasculated the global body.

Instead, Mathai interestingly placed India's actions and objectives of strong export control systems within India's development matrix. "As India's integration with global trade patterns and supply chains deepens, it would increasingly become an important hub of manufacturing and export of high technology items. Foreign investment including through offsets for governmental procurement will strengthen our global links. Our export control system would add to the reliability and credibility of Indian companies in the global market and thus increase their competitive edge."

The foreign secretary added, "India has continued with its policy of refraining from transfer of enrichment and reprocessing technologies (ENR) to states that do not possess them and supporting international efforts to limit their spread." While India might be fully in compliance, the NSG has adopted a guideline that prevents ENR technologies from going to non-NPT states. This would put India out of the box. The current negotiations are trying to square that circle. Mathai said India supports the IAEA's fuel-bank resolution and pitched to become a supplier state. Obviously, India cannot be a full supplier if it cannot access latest ENR technologies.

India, he said, not only had a series of legislative tools to control sensitive trade - from Atomic Energy Act, Customs Act of 1962 to the WMD Act of 2005 - to a robust enforcement mechanism. Mathai said, "DGFT is in the process of introducing by June this year an online application system that would not only further ease the application process but also facilitate implementation." He added, "We view a strong and effective national export control system as an essential link between our broader national security goals and our wider foreign policy objectives."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...roliferation-regimes/articleshow/12720329.cms

Indrani Bagchi, TNN | Apr 19, 2012, 12.42AM IST

What timing.

 

[JAI- a Cricket fan]

PS: What's the Wheeler Island reference signify?

Wheeler island i guess is the place from where the missile can be launched .. It s shown as the center all the concentric circles , showing the different ranges .. Moscow being the farthest..

 

[Singham]

It is necessary for India to have this. China is a huge threat and it can't take India for granted anymore.

 

[Saudi]

I remember watching a lol-worthy video of an epic Indian missile fail. It went up and then straight down vertically. One of the funniest videos I've ever seen. I can't seem to find that link anywhere.

 

[IgnitedMind]

Where's Indianfan? Economy before Military eh?

Not having Military is not a risk worth taking too..especially with China and Pakistan. However India does spend a lot of money on it...and a part of it diverted towards education,poverty would do a lot of good

 

[Down2Earth]

india taking another step towards would peace by introducing another nuke. Nice

 

[Gabbar Singh]

india taking another step towards would peace by introducing another nuke. Nice

If it weren't for nuclear weapons the subcontinent would have seen many more wars post '71.

India and Pakistan acquiring nukes has been great for the region and brought stability. Neither side is stupid enough to use them however at the same time neither side is willing to call the others bluff.

What is so bad about that?

 

[sachin__]

Launch Successful !!!!

Bharat Maata ki Jai !!!

 

[sachin__]

India test fires Agni-5, joins elite club

India on Thursday test fired Agni-5, the country's first long range inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM) from Wheeler Island, off the Odisha coast.

The maiden flight test of Agni-5, was postponed on Wednesday. Bad weather conditions were cited as the reason. "Due to
heavy lightning in the region, the Agni-5 launch is postponed for safety reasons," Ravi Kumar Gupta, director, directorate of public interface, Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO) had said.
The Indian strategic establishment had been eagerly awaiting the flight test of the indigenously built 5000km-range missile as its success would catapult India to an exclusive club of countries like USA, Russia, China and France who possess technology to develop ICBM.

Agni-5 is a three-stage, all solid fuel powered missile with multiple independent targetable re-entry vehicle (MIRV) which means the missile can target several areas simultaneously with one-tonne nuclear warhead.

The missile, with a length of 17.5metre, weighs 50 tonnes and can carry 11 quintals of warheads.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India...-Agni-5-joins-elite-club/Article1-842796.aspx

 

[sachin__]

 

[Ambi]

India becomes the 5th nation to develop 5000km range missile

 

[Wasim1]

I really dont see whats the point of this new missile. Doesnt India already have missiles for their two "enemies" Pakistan and China.

A new 5000KM missile what are they planning to hit? And lets say they make a new one that is 10000km.

Money would way better be spent feeding and caring for huge amounts in absolute poverty.

 

[sachin__]

I really dont see whats the point of this new missile. Doesnt India already have missiles for their two "enemies" Pakistan and China.

A new 5000KM missile what are they planning to hit? And lets say they make a new one that is 10000km.

Money would way better be spent feeding and caring for huge amounts in absolute poverty.

Expected this to be the 3rd post in this thread...Ambi spoiled the fun

Spending money on poverty and blah blah blah sound really good and will be excellent to implement in an idealistic world

 

[vcool80]

A Nation like India needs strong deterrents to save from any misadventures of it's Enemy nations. Poverty and Defence cannot be related and India spends less than 2% of it's GDP on defence and that too considering India's geographic region.
Congrats India, Congrats DRDO!.

 

[ahamedirshad123]

We are the first non UNSC-veto power to join this group?

 

[Down2Earth]

If it weren't for nuclear weapons the subcontinent would have seen many more wars post '71.

India and Pakistan acquiring nukes has been great for the region and brought stability. Neither side is stupid enough to use them however at the same time neither side is willing to call the others bluff.

What is so bad about that?

yes but to what end? next one for 7,000km? a few deterrents are enough...

 

[Ambi]

NEW DELHI: India on Thursday test-fired for the first time its most-ambitious strategic missile, the over 5,000-km range Agni-V, in a bid to join the super exclusive ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) club that counts just US, Russia,China, France and UK as its members.
The solid-fuelled Agni-V, which will bring the whole of China as well as other regions under its strike envelope, was tested from Wheeler Island off the Odisha coast at 8.07 am.
''We have met all our mission objectives,'' said a jubilant DRD0 chief controller of missiles, Avinash Chander.
DRD0 chief V K Saraswat, in turn, said India had emerged as a major missile power with Thursday's test.
The nuclear-capable, three-stage Agni-V, about 50-tonne in weight and 17.5-metre tall, will become fully operational by 2014-2015 after"four to five repeatable tests" and user trials.
India could have gone for a higher strike range but believes the solid-fuelled Agni-V is "more than adequate'' to meet current threat perceptions and security concerns. The missile can, after all, even hit thenorthernmost parts of China.
India, of course, cannot match China in terms of its vast nuclear and missile arsenals. But missiles like Agni-V and the 3,500-km Agni-IV, tested last November, will certainly add teeth to its credible minimum nuclear deterrence posture.
With a canister-launch system to impart higher road mobility, the missile will give the armed forces much greater operational flexibility than the earlier-generation of Agni missiles.
"The accuracy levels of Agni-V and Agni-IV, with their better guidance and navigation systems, are far higher than Agni-I (700-km), Agni-II (2,000-km) and Agni-III (3,000-km),''said the source.
The Agni missiles will get deadlier once MIRV (multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles) payloads for them are developed. An MIRV payload on a missile carries several nuclear warheads, which can be programmed to hit different targets. A flurry of such missiles can hence completely overwhelm BMD (ballistic missile defence) systems.

Congrats DRDO and all the best for future endeavors

 

[zhivago]

Congratulations India for becoming an elite nation. May you keep producing missiles.

Being a nuclear power was not a deterrence enough to prevent Kargil. But then anyway.

 

[Ambi]

Now indian can cover whole of china and this will make indias relationship with china more stronger

 

[LethalSami]

doesn't Pakistan already have a 5000+ km range missile??

 

[Sir_Afridi]

Does firing 5000km missiles qualify a nation reality status to be upgraded from third world to developed country?

 

[cricketloverindia]

doesn't Pakistan already have a 5000+ km range missile??

Why would Pakistan need a 5000+ km missile? Pakistan's main enemy is India which it can cover with 2000-3000km missiles from its eastern border.

India's case is a little different. She has one enemy in Pakistan which is already covered with lower range missiles and China which could become an enemy at some point in the future. I think this missile covers the whole of China which is what the objective was.

I don't think Pakistan needs a 5000+ km unless the reason is to compete with India in the number game, as to who has the LONGEST range missile.

 

[LethalSami]

^^u can't be naive, there is Israel also

 

[cricketloverindia]

^^u can't be naive, there is Israel also

That is true, however, when Pakistan starts developing or when it announces that it has a 5000+ km range missile, it would mean a complete shift in Pakistan's foreign policy where it considers Israel a new threat apart from India. This will not be taken lightly by both Israel and the US.

India on the other hand has always maintained that it's defence policy is to counter both China and Pakistan since it considers both to be an adversary (Pakistan for obvious reasons and China for territorial disputes). I don't think India's foreign policy has changed because of this missile test.

 

[justarslan]

That is true, however, when Pakistan starts developing or when it announces that it has a 5000+ km range missile, it would mean a complete shift in Pakistan's foreign policy where it considers Israel a new threat apart from India. This will not be taken lightly by both Israel and the US.

India on the other hand has always maintained that it's defence policy is to counter both China and Pakistan since it considers both to be an adversary (Pakistan for obvious reasons and China for territorial disputes). I don't think India's foreign policy has changed because of this missile test.

Pakistan is making 7000 KM range missile Taimur.

Source:http://www.daily.pk/pakistan’s-nuclear-arsenal-is-expanding-faster-than-any-other-nation’s-9780/

I know it is not best of sources. Believe it or not is up to you.

 

[Gattuso]

I remember watching a lol-worthy video of an epic Indian missile fail. It went up and then straight down vertically. One of the funniest videos I've ever seen. I can't seem to find that link anywhere.

maybe hard to believe.. but failures are an integral part of the development of anything. Maybe you have never been a part of a major project in your professional life.

Watch some of the American rocket launch failures while you are at it.

Buying stuff off-the-shelf and repainting it on the other hand..

 

[cricketloverindia]

Pakistan is making 7000 KM range missile Taimur.

Source:http://www.daily.pk/pakistan’s-nuclear-arsenal-is-expanding-faster-than-any-other-nation’s-9780/

I know it is not best of sources. Believe it or not is up to you.

Well if Pakistan is playing the NUMBERS game, then more power to them. I see where you are coming from since there is a chance that Pakistan could face a war with the West and hence needs a longer range missile.

I think India is happy to have the necessary missiles to cover entire China and Pakistan. It highly unlikely that India will ever go to war with the West so a missile with range > 5000km is unnecessary for India at this stage.

 

[akheR]

Well if Pakistan is playing the NUMBERS game, then more power to them. I see where you are coming from since there is a chance that Pakistan could face a war with the West and hence needs a longer range missile.

I think India is happy to have the necessary missiles to cover entire China and Pakistan. It highly unlikely that India will ever go to war with the West so a missile with range > 5000km is unnecessary for India at this stage.

Why would the West attack Pakistan ? Times of traditional, full-fledged warfare is gone, if the West wants to attack Pakistan it wouldn't need missiles, but just some geo-strategic knowledge of Pakistan's internal turmoil and a good usage of it through political blackmail.

The West could attack Somalia, Iraq or Afghanistan, but not Pakistan - and I don't say that out of jingoism, but Pakistan isn't isolated in the world community enough to be perceived as a threat, mainly because of its credible political institutions.

In fact, the more the USA's monopoly is being targeted by the new political land-scape, and other regional powers emerge - and who are well aware that future and prosperity lies in economic integration and not barbarian aggression -, the more a war between Pakistan and India seems improbable - and that says a lot.
Even if proxy wars are not avoided.

Also, since the inception of nuclear bombs, there's no more an hierarchy of force, all these missiles or tanks are just shows.

 

[Indiafan]

Where's Indianfan? Economy before Military eh?

I will still stand by economy over military. However, we can afford it a bit more than Pakistan in the long run (in the long run, not currently with all the poor) and are not spending as much as Pakistan % wise. Plus its not like our military is going to attack a foreign country without provocation and without our civilian goverment's knowledge

 

[Romali_rotti]

AWESOMEEEE, India has now joined the elite club with CHina, US, Russia etc.......... Agni 5 was needed most of China is now within striking range, the next series missile SURYA will cover 6000 KMS plus to 10 000 KMS then we have deterrance against most of the world.....

 

[Romali_rotti]

India pitches for membership of global non-proliferation regimes​

What timing.

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen stated that they did not think India was a missile threat, nor a threat to NATO and its allies, despite India's advancement in missile technology.[37] The United States of America commended India and refuted China's claims, saying that India boasted of an excellent non-proliferation record and that it had engaged with the international community on such issues.[38] Pakistani websites and news agencies were reportedly "flooded" with the news of the successful launch; however, no official statement has been released yet.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agni-V



Damn Jeerablade if only we had a Qadir Khan huh ??....

 

[jeetu]

Great achievement by DRDO.

 

[Badsha]

^^u can't be naive, there is Israel also

There is no way Pakistan can even think about making weapons to deal with Israel


Israel = America which would basically rape any country in the world.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Chinese and Pakistani threat is just a red herring as they both share border with India.

These missiles are for the current world powers and striking at their interests if the situation ever arose. Seems like some have learnt the lessons from 18th and 19th century occupiers and I say good on them.

 

[acer]

India's two-decade-old missile program has mostly been aimed at nullifying the threat from its immediate and often hostile neighbor, Pakistan. That has changed over the past few years. While shorter versions of the Agni missile series cover Pakistan, Agni III and beyond are part of India's efforts to guard against China. This year marks the 50th anniversary of India's humiliating defeat in a border war with its northern neighbor.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Its amazing how much India has progressed in all fields, I think back in 95 India was nothing, something like 180 Billion GDP and now we are into the trillions and growing at a good pace, Sky is the limit if we can root out corruption............

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bravo India !

This is good league to be a part of.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Bravo India !

This is good league to be a part of.

Wait till the Surya missiles come into the equation........ It shouldnt be far off...

 

[mithun_minhas]

Wait till the Surya missiles come into the equation........ It shouldnt be far off...

Hope this Surya Missile doesn't turn out to be like another Atul Sharma

We have to be very cautious when it comes to celebrations as our politicians can ruin everything.

 

[Bhaijaan]

In pictures-

 

[Bhaijaan]

So this is the end of China bullying on India?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Videos-

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LoKLMr0RLz0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/RshxmKfUDJ8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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And for fun
Hindi news channel report
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[speed]

north korea has a 4000 km icbm so i guess there not hard to acquire or produce.

 

[Gattuso]

only difference is northkorea's ICBMs go straight down into the ocean... when was the last time they had a successful test for an ICBM ? ..never.

It is ridiculous to think an ICBM isn't that hard to make... else everyone in the world would be launching satellites (about the same level of technology involved.. probably an incrementally higher complexity with the ICBM)

 

[speed]

only difference is northkorea's ICBMs go straight down into the ocean... when was the last time they had a successful test for an ICBM ? ..never.

It is ridiculous to think an ICBM isn't that hard to make... else everyone in the world would be launching satellites (about the same level of technology involved.. probably an incrementally higher complexity with the ICBM)

many countries can do it it's the question of whether they want to or not im sure germnay, italy, aus, brazil, japan, s korea all can do it.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Mods - please merge with the following thread:

Why did India develop and acquire the Atomic bomb?

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=129353&highlight=Atomic

 

[shan]

ICBM range is over 8000km by the way and not 5000km.

 

[speed]

north korea is developing the Taepo Dong-2 (2-stage) with a range of 9000km

and the Taepo Dong-2 (3-stage)/Unha-2 SLV with a range of 15,000km this shows that it is not extreamly difficult to produce these ICBMs if a poor nation like north korea is developing them.

 

[Garuda]

north korea is developing the Taepo Dong-2 (2-stage) with a range of 9000km

and the Taepo Dong-2 (3-stage)/Unha-2 SLV with a range of 15,000km this shows that it is not extreamly difficult to produce these ICBMs if a poor nation like north korea is developing them.

So ?

I didn't read any post in the thread which said it was an innovation. What's your point?

 

[shan]

north korea is developing the Taepo Dong-2 (2-stage) with a range of 9000km

and the Taepo Dong-2 (3-stage)/Unha-2 SLV with a range of 15,000km this shows that it is not extreamly difficult to produce these ICBMs if a poor nation like north korea is developing them.

North Korea and China are way way ahead of India (Or Pakistan) in missile technology.

 

[speed]

So ?

I didn't read any post in the thread which said it was an innovation. What's your point?

reply to gattuso post

 

[Gattuso]

many countries can do it it's the question of whether they want to or not im sure germnay, italy, aus, brazil, japan, s korea all can do it.

where;d you get that list from ?


1 Soviet Union 1957 Sputnik-PS Sputnik 1
2 United States 1958 Juno I Explorer 1
3 France 1965 Diamant Astérix
4 Japan 1970 Lambda-4S Ōsumi
5 China 1970 Long March 1 Dong Fang Hong I
6 United Kingdom 1971 Black Arrow Prospero X-3
7 India 1980 SLV Rohini
8 Israel 1988 Shavit Ofeq 1
_ Russia[1] 1992 Soyuz-U Kosmos 2175
_ Ukraine[1] 1992 Tsyklon-3 Strela
9 Iran 2009 Safir-2 Omid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite#Launch-capable_countries

 

[Gattuso]

north korea is developing the Taepo Dong-2 (2-stage) with a range of 9000km

and the Taepo Dong-2 (3-stage)/Unha-2 SLV with a range of 15,000km this shows that it is not extreamly difficult to produce these ICBMs if a poor nation like north korea is developing them.

*developing is a fun word to use

any country can claim to be developing stuff.
Iran is supposed to be developing nukes... noone would know for sure till they test one successfully.
Same thing with missiles.

 

[speed]

where;d you get that list from ?


1 Soviet Union 1957 Sputnik-PS Sputnik 1
2 United States 1958 Juno I Explorer 1
3 France 1965 Diamant Astérix
4 Japan 1970 Lambda-4S Ōsumi
5 China 1970 Long March 1 Dong Fang Hong I
6 United Kingdom 1971 Black Arrow Prospero X-3
7 India 1980 SLV Rohini
8 Israel 1988 Shavit Ofeq 1
_ Russia[1] 1992 Soyuz-U Kosmos 2175
_ Ukraine[1] 1992 Tsyklon-3 Strela
9 Iran 2009 Safir-2 Omid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite#Launch-capable_countries

the countries i mentioned are more technologically advanced than india, ukrain and iran well most of them are so i am sure they can if they want to.

 

[speed]

*developing is a fun word to use

any country can claim to be developing stuff.
Iran is supposed to be developing nukes... noone would know for sure till they test one successfully.
Same thing with missiles.

N korea does have a 4000km missile in operation Musudan-1.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I think the key word here is 'PROVED' , many of the other ambitious projects are still a dream. AGNI-V has proved itself and with it India is now member of an elite group.

 

[Gattuso]

N korea does have a 4000km missile in operation Musudan-1.

Musudan was never tested. It has as much chance of reaching a target at full range as it does of breaking up over the ocean.

 

[speed]

Musudan was never tested. It has as much chance of reaching a target at full range as it does of breaking up over the ocean.

it was in 2009

 

[Gattuso]

Can't find details on it man. All the pages i get on google are more of intelligence reports of "would be/ could be/ may work/may not work" .

The only confirmed tests they've done are short range missiles over Japan for which they faced quite a lot of flak. Don't think a 4000km missile test would go unnoticed.

 

[velu]

We should paint Chinese flag over the missiles which are targeting china

 

[speed]

Can't find details on it man. All the pages i get on google are more of intelligence reports of "would be/ could be/ may work/may not work" .

The only confirmed tests they've done are short range missiles over Japan for which they faced quite a lot of flak. Don't think a 4000km missile test would go unnoticed.

Musudan-1 – a modified copy of the Soviet R-27 Zyb SLBM.It was tested successfully as the first or second stage of Unha. Despite the failure of the satellite the first and second stages of the missile apparently flew without problems. The missile, also known under the names Nodong-B, Taepodong-X and BM25, has a range of 4,000 kilometers.

Musudan's rocket motors originally made up either the 1st or 2nd stage of the Taepodong-2, which North Korea test fired in 2006. However, this launch was not successful. The TD-2 first demonstrated a successful test launch on July 5, 2009, proving the reliability of the Musudan missile.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musudan_(missile)

 

[zhivago]

But the one question no one is asking is that what is the Utility of this missile?

1. To scare neighbours? NO.
Being a nuclear power could not prevent Kargil. They did the useless Operation Parakram, after their Parliament was attacked, but could not achieve anything. They talked of surgical strikes after Mumbai killings, but again could not do anything.

China is too powerful to be bothered about India. Even USA is wary of the dragon.

2. Financial benefits? No. It would still be profitable if India sold missiles to other countries, like USA, Israel, Russia. Now, the space research of India is quite good is helps them, but missiles?? They are money down the drain.

The advantages I can think of are:
1. It makes the Indian middle class feel happy and gloat in being in an Elite company, while conveniently forgetting that they are the odd man out in any so called elite group.

2. They will have at least something to defend themselves with in case China attacks. A very far fetched possibility, nevertheless. Brings the comfort factor to those Indians who are paranoid about China.

3.Probably that it will look good to show it during their republic day parade.

 

[zhivago]

 

[speed]

But the one question no one is asking is that what is the Utility of this missile?

1. To scare neighbours? NO.
Being a nuclear power could not prevent Kargil. They did the useless Operation Parakram, after their Parliament was attacked, but could not achieve anything. They talked of surgical strikes after Mumbai killings, but again could not do anything.

China is too powerful to be bothered about India. Even USA is wary of the dragon.

2. Financial benefits? No. It would still be profitable if India sold missiles to other countries, like USA, Israel, Russia. Now, the space research of India is quite good is helps them, but missiles?? They are money down the drain.

The advantages I can think of are:
1. It makes the Indian middle class feel happy and gloat in being in an Elite company, while conveniently forgetting that they are the odd man out in any so called elite group.

2. They will have at least something to defend themselves with in case China attacks. A very far fetched possibility, nevertheless. Brings the comfort factor to those Indians who are paranoid about China.

3.Probably that it will look good to show it during their republic day parade.

what i don't understand is why is India planing on even greater range missiles e.g. 8000km and 10000km if it's only threat is pak and china.

 

[Gattuso]

Musudan-1 – a modified copy of the Soviet R-27 Zyb SLBM.It was tested successfully as the first or second stage of Unha. Despite the failure of the satellite the first and second stages of the missile apparently flew without problems. The missile, also known under the names Nodong-B, Taepodong-X and BM25, has a range of 4,000 kilometers.

Musudan's rocket motors originally made up either the 1st or 2nd stage of the Taepodong-2, which North Korea test fired in 2006. However, this launch was not successful. The TD-2 first demonstrated a successful test launch on July 5, 2009, proving the reliability of the Musudan missile.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musudan_(missile)

So it says TD-2 was successfulyl tested..implying that Musudan can work.

now read

Launches: North Korea has launched three test flights of Taepodong-2 vehicles since 1998, with each flight resulting in failure.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taepodong-2


TD-2 has never been successfully tested

 

[Gattuso]

what i don't understand is why is India planing on even greater range missiles e.g. 8000km and 10000km if it's only threat is pak and china.

Future threats can arise from anywhere..

 

[speed]

So it says TD-2 was successfulyl tested..implying that Musudan can work.

now read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taepodong-2


TD-2 has never been successfully tested

Taepodong-2's first stage is a Musudan-1 "Mobile" 4,000 km MRBM, based on the Soviet R-27 Zyb. North Korea developed the Musudan-1 with the help of former Russian engineers of the VP Makeyev Design Bureau. On April 5, 2009, a Taepodong-2 missile with a satellite on board, was launched from the Musudan-ri facility. The payload did not reach orbit, however, the first stage worked without any problems and fell in the ocean as planned.

i think you are mixing up the musudan with the taepodong.

 

[zhivago]

It is sad, and I am not only talking about India here, that the country does not question disproportionate spending in arms race, and thinks raising questions is anti nation and unpatriotic.

They create a sense of paranoia and distract by showing an enemy outside the borders, and it becomes easy for the sheep to rally behind their decisions.