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India Enters Recession With Back-To-Back GDP Contraction Amid Covid Crisis

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India entered an unprecedented recession with the economy contracting in the three months through September due to the lingering effects of lockdowns to contain the Covid-19 outbreak.
Gross domestic product declined 7.5% last quarter from a year ago, the Statistics Ministry said Friday. That was milder than an 8.2% drop forecast by economists in a Bloomberg survey, and and a marked improvement from a record 24% contraction the previous quarter.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi imposed one of the world's strictest lockdowns in March, sapping demand for non-essential goods and services. Despite the measures to stem the pandemic, the country is now home to the second-highest Covid-19 infections after the U.S. at 9.3 million cases. The second straight quarterly decline in GDP, pushes Asia's third-largest economy into its first technical recession in records going back to 1996.

Financial and real estate services -- among the biggest component of India's dominant services sector -- shrank 8.1% last quarter from a year ago, while trade, hotels, transport and communication declined 15.6%. Manufacturing gained 0.6%, electricity and gas expanded 4.4% and agriculture grew 3.4%.

"The GDP is more or less in the expected direction, though better than expected," said Madan Sabnavis, chief economist at Care Ratings Ltd. "The fact that we are in the negative zone and will be so in the next quarter too is indicative of the tough times ahead."

Sovereign bonds declined Friday ahead of the data, with the yield on benchmark 10-year bonds rising 4 basis points to 5.9%, while the rupee declined 0.2% to 74.04 a dollar.

Krishnamurthy Subramanian, the government's chief economic adviser, told reporters the numbers were "quite encouraging" given the pandemic and compared with the previous quarter's performance.

The government and the central bank have each worked to support the economy, with total stimulus reaching around 30 trillion rupees ($405 billion), or 15% of GDP. The Reserve Bank of India, which has cut interest rates by 115 basis points this year, is due to review monetary policy next week, with the stance expected to remain accommodative for the near future.

Looking Up

For now, the stimulus, along with festival season demand, has helped spur activity in the economy, helping slowly replace concern about the depth of India's recession with optimism that a recovery is taking hold.

A slew of indicators from car sales to services sector activity notched higher in October, while alternative data signal robust demand in an economy that's primarily driven by domestic consumption.

"Today's GDP print increases our confidence that recovery is gaining pace," said Garima Kapoor, an economist at Elara Securities India Pvt. "While during initial period of unlocking, rural economy's buoyancy was supportive, urban demand too has begun to normalize in pre-festive period."

https://www.ndtv.com/business/india...id-covid-crisis-2331177?pfrom=home-topstories
 
Dang it.... This year was supposed to be when India emerged as the second supa powa in the world and well on its way to overtake US as the sole supa powa.


Instead they are having rampaging corona, full blown recession and a Nazi at the helm.
 
Hope the farm bills help, BJP should make all capitalist changes as much they can- do something good atleast.
 
Is it the only major economy with back to back quarters of contractions?
 

Thanks. I guess China is the only country to weather it and makes sense. US is doing well but the cases keep rising and I wonder if at some point it would become unsustainable
 
Q1 quarter slump of 23% and Q2 slump of 7.5% is already indicating a recovery albeit slowly. No country can sustain same gdp growth when workforces are sitting at home. With industries starting to chug in most cities, it will recover sooner.
Massive investments have been planned for next year. Most mnc view india as a favourable destination to move
amazon starting a new datacenter in south for example

It all goes by how coronavirus is handled
 
India's fragile economy was well in decline before Covid. The most over hyped economy in the world. So much so you have millions of Indians leaving India!

Don't blame Covid.
 
Meh. We've seen worse. As long as our legend Manmohan Singh is here, no worries.
 
Meh. We've seen worse. As long as our legend Manmohan Singh is here, no worries.

You guys have seen worse economic numbers and conditiins under Manmohan Singh?
 
It’s recovering faster than predicted , is expected to hit double digit next year albeit that would be a base effect .
 
India's fragile economy was well in decline before Covid. The most over hyped economy in the world. So much so you have millions of Indians leaving India!

Don't blame Covid.

I guess that’s why we had inflows of a record $14 billion from FPIs, while every other emerging economy had a net outflow this month alone .
 
We're a basket case. Nirmala Tai deserves a bunch of onions lining up the street to her house.
 
I guess that’s why we had inflows of a record $14 billion from FPIs, while every other emerging economy had a net outflow this month alone .

[MENTION=65341]Namak_Halaal[/MENTION] on pp started predicting doom of Indian economy since he joined. It just boosts our economy. So dont be surprised.
 
Chinese virus has been hell for both US and India. Strength of dollar enabled US to print as much as they want and they are well on their way to recovery. India's informal economy took a big hit. However India's digital future is secured as they are well positioned for the future. India's informal economy though has been destroyed. I doubt any reforms will make a dent in the massive unemployment in the low skilled sector in the next few years. It's a pivotal point and will be interesting to see what Modi can do
 
India's economy has contracted for a second successive quarter, plunging the country into recession. Will improving car sales, a marker of growth, help drive a modest rebound in the near future? Nidhi Rai reports.

Ashwin Arya recently bought a brand new Toyota Glanza for his family. The 30-year-old, who lives in Betuk, a town in Madhya Pradesh state, bought the car in June, when most of India was still shut after the world's longest coronavirus lockdown.

"My father had met with an accident and we desperately needed a car," Mr Arya said.

Mr Arya says the family had planned to buy a new vehicle even before the pandemic struck. But his father's accident hastened the purchase.

"My father has to go to work everyday. My mother and sister also use it for their daily activities. We needed a car for basic mobility as public transport is not good in Betul."

On the back of such buying by customers like Mr Arya, the Indian automobiles sector, which contributes 7% to the country's Gross Domestic Product or GDP, recorded a good month in October. It's a small sign of hope for the Indian economy, which has now recorded two successive quarters of negative growth .

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-55041406?__twitter_impression=true
 
Inflation at 6.1 bro. India had the advantage of having youngest population 10 years back. Now that demographic is dissapearing. we did a lot in last 10 years. Pulled nearly 400 million people out of poverty. But there is no economic miracle like China. We need to accelerate at double digit GDP for next 8 years to become a 5000$ net income nation.

I observe South states are doing really good in all indicators but few northern states are not doing great at all. And to lift so many millions out of proverty, we need manufacturing boom which is missing in our economy.
 
Inflation at 6.1 bro. India had the advantage of having youngest population 10 years back. Now that demographic is dissapearing. we did a lot in last 10 years. Pulled nearly 400 million people out of poverty. But there is no economic miracle like China. We need to accelerate at double digit GDP for next 8 years to become a 5000$ net income nation.

I observe South states are doing really good in all indicators but few northern states are not doing great at all. And to lift so many millions out of proverty, we need manufacturing boom which is missing in our economy.
Until UP, Bihar, Rajasthan and MP develop quickly, their sheer population will pull India down on all development indicators.
 
I had a hunch things didn't look good when India tried to blackmail cruella braverman in giving lenient visa access and permits to indian workers .

Alongside how hundreds of thousands have swamped the student visa route

And illegal caravans of indians in Mexico.

I've yet to meet a Chinese student in the UK working in a subway or mfg owned petrol station .
 
Until UP, Bihar, Rajasthan and MP develop quickly, their sheer population will pull India down on all development indicators.

MP along with Chattisgarh are tribal states. It will take few generations to fix these states. There are 1000s of graduates who are not employable at all. We need manufacturing industries left and right. Anyone good enough to walk and use their hands should be employable in these industries.

But our liberal woke communists will dharna all day long with some cringe inducing songs to rally jobless morons and stop these industries too.

Moreover India's 50% of population is in agriculture. Compare to US and other developing nations its less than 5%. We are still agro country. Ideally the transistion should be like agri -> manufacturing -> digital.

we moved from agri -> digital. Digital (IT) got lakhs of peoples to upper middle class but thats not enough for the sheer population we have. Manufacturing is a must.

On top of that the tax terrorism is unreal. You get punished for being in the top percentile earners.
 
MP along with Chattisgarh are tribal states. It will take few generations to fix these states. There are 1000s of graduates who are not employable at all. We need manufacturing industries left and right. Anyone good enough to walk and use their hands should be employable in these industries.

But our liberal woke communists will dharna all day long with some cringe inducing songs to rally jobless morons and stop these industries too.

Moreover India's 50% of population is in agriculture. Compare to US and other developing nations its less than 5%. We are still agro country. Ideally the transistion should be like agri -> manufacturing -> digital.

we moved from agri -> digital. Digital (IT) got lakhs of peoples to upper middle class but thats not enough for the sheer population we have. Manufacturing is a must.

On top of that the tax terrorism is unreal. You get punished for being in the top percentile earners.
Rich find loop holes to avoid taxes.
Poor and protected classes do not pay taxes anyway.

The ones that get destroyed by taxes are Middle class and Upper Middle. This was the situation back in 90's when I was a teen in India. I am sure the situation is not much different now.

As you have mentioned, India produces millions of graduates that are not employable. They need to put into manufacturing industries which needs manual labor. Its going to be a big task on Bharat alliance in the coming years. In the mean time, Rahul baba will keep criticizing the government and promises more freebies for them in every election to fool the voters.
 
I had a hunch things didn't look good when India tried to blackmail cruella braverman in giving lenient visa access and permits to indian workers .

Alongside how hundreds of thousands have swamped the student visa route

And illegal caravans of indians in Mexico.

I've yet to meet a Chinese student in the UK working in a subway or mfg owned petrol station .

India tried to bite more than it could chew. It is now backfiring in many different areas.

Their downfall started in 2014 when they elected illiterate and shortsighted chaiwala Modi as their PM.
 
Rich find loop holes to avoid taxes.
Poor and protected classes do not pay taxes anyway.

The ones that get destroyed by taxes are Middle class and Upper Middle. This was the situation back in 90's when I was a teen in India. I am sure the situation is not much different now.

As you have mentioned, India produces millions of graduates that are not employable. They need to put into manufacturing industries which needs manual labor. Its going to be a big task on Bharat alliance in the coming years. In the mean time, Rahul baba will keep criticizing the government and promises more freebies for them in every election to fool the voters.

Which Bharath alliance are you talking about bro :D

And Sam Pitroda befrore elections was asked, if freebies are provided then middle class has to bear the burden and he was like yah.. we are all one big family and middle class has to reduce their belly.. or something on that lines. I was like WTH is he on?
 
@Bhaijaan , how is this post relevant for this thread?

We are not in recession but we are not growing at a pace we should. The growth rate of 5 something is very mediocre for us at this point. The country really needs to focus on economic growth opportunities otherwise the dream of transitioning to a high income country will never be fulfilled.
 
We are not in recession but we are not growing at a pace we should. The growth rate of 5 something is very mediocre for us at this point. The country really needs to focus on economic growth opportunities otherwise the dream of transitioning to a high income country will never be fulfilled.
That doesn’t mean it should be in this thread lol

I already brought this point up with Automobile inventory issue, that has always been the key economic indicator in Western nations for economic recession.

The premise of this thread is different.. economic contraction..is not the same as missing the economic growth number
 
Inflation at 6.1 bro. India had the advantage of having youngest population 10 years back. Now that demographic is dissapearing. we did a lot in last 10 years. Pulled nearly 400 million people out of poverty. But there is no economic miracle like China. We need to accelerate at double digit GDP for next 8 years to become a 5000$ net income nation.

I observe South states are doing really good in all indicators but few northern states are not doing great at all. And to lift so many millions out of proverty, we need manufacturing boom which is missing in our economy.
Inflation at 6.1 and GDP growth at 5.4. Are you saying we are contracting??
No one can replicate China's growth that happened in the past. I think you just news headlines and start assuming certain things.

China's model is not something to aspire for if you want to avoid the usual traps of of growth stagnation.
 
Inflation at 6.1 and GDP growth at 5.4. Are you saying we are contracting??
No one can replicate China's growth that happened in the past. I think you just news headlines and start assuming certain things.

China's model is not something to aspire for if you want to avoid the usual traps of of growth stagnation.

What I am saying is to become atleast a semi developed nation we need manufacturing like China. What industries does India have to employ hundreads of millions of people who are not capable to find a skilled job.
 
The brain drain of Bharat will be taught in schools in future as a lesson. The foreigners P played it smart. They literally bought all our IIT, AIIMS. toppers over the decades , employed them to build great companies who are ruling the world today. There will come a point when the Americans would have brought in just enough Bharatiyas and then their 2nd generations will be enough for them to cater to their needs rather than bringing more people from Bharat. We are nowhere in tech industry apart from providing cheap backend, freelance services. We never built our own Google, Apple like China did and we will pay for it.
 
The brain drain of Bharat will be taught in schools in future as a lesson. The foreigners P played it smart. They literally bought all our IIT, AIIMS. toppers over the decades , employed them to build great companies who are ruling the world today. There will come a point when the Americans would have brought in just enough Bharatiyas and then their 2nd generations will be enough for them to cater to their needs rather than bringing more people from Bharat. We are nowhere in tech industry apart from providing cheap backend, freelance services. We never built our own Google, Apple like China did and we will pay for it.
Interesting points youve raised. Its an undeniable fact that Pakistan would love to be in India’s position wrt growth, investment, infrastructure, development, education, population empowerment etc.
The power players in Pak are inclined to take^10 everything and destroy everything everytime. India is well on its way. Wish we could change but cant ever see it now.
Apologies for being off-topic
 
What I am saying is to become atleast a semi developed nation we need manufacturing like China. What industries does India have to employ hundreads of millions of people who are not capable to find a skilled job.
You have a population that isnt work shy and is focused.
 
India tried to bite more than it could chew. It is now backfiring in many different areas.

Their downfall started in 2014 when they elected illiterate and shortsighted chaiwala Modi as their PM.
India was caught fudging their GDP data after 2014 too.

What a coincidence, not.
 
Can we trust India's internal data?

I definitely do not trust it.
Never.

It's not just internal data, in the 50s India begged Canada for Uranium promising it would be used for nuclear energy - India developed the Hindutva bomb instead. This is why India was banned from importing Uranium for many years.

India is the OG warmongering nation. The history proves it. Hindutva proves it. So much so they even fought themselves and ended up carving their country.
 
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