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11 test series since and not a single win since beating a mediocre England in 2014. That's pretty bad for a team thats supposed to be one of the best ODI sides on the planet. If you take away that England win, they haven't beaten any top ODI side away in 7+ years, maybe even longer.

They have lost marquee series against Aus, Pak and SA (including tri series away).

On top of all that, for such a vaunted batting line up their run rates haven't been great either.

Does anyone know why?
 
Haha. If u want to know the other thread is posted by a pak poster and not indian poster.

After 2014 England india played only one series in Australia
 
India have never won an odi series in South africa and were pretty poor the last time around as well while the much maligned junaid khan won pakistan consecutive odi series in southafrica and India.

The thing with the indian limited overs side is that ifs overly dependant on kohli who is a fantastic player but isnt as big a factor away so the team has suffered when he has failed.
 
How many odi series have pakistan lost to England, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand at home during the last decade vs India at home
 
Pete Rose said:
How many odi series have pakistan lost to England, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand at home during the last decade vs India at home
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All of them.

India have lost twice to Oz (2007,2009) and won twice (2010, 2013), lost 1 to SA (2015)/won one (2010), won all against NZ (2010,2016), Eng (2008,2011,2013,2017).
 
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I suggest Indian fans don't get offended for these are only stats. There is no doubt about India being a better team in LOI's so there's no comparison. But this thread proves that India are also massively overrated in the ODI format.
 
Pete Rose said:
How many odi series have pakistan lost to England, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand at home during the last decade vs India at home
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That's a valid question. At least they have owned teams at home and developed a modern ODI team while we had captain with -70 strike rate batting at 5 happy and presisted with respectful defeats.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I suggest Indian fans don't get offended for these are only stats. There is no doubt about India being a better team in LOI's so there's no comparison. But this thread proves that India are also massively overrated in the ODI format.
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How does it prove that? does it mean that England and New Zealand are overrated odi sides considering they lost in India ?
 
MRSN said:
That's a valid question. At least they have owned teams at home and developed a modern ODI team while we had captain with -70 strike rate batting at 5 happy and presisted with respectful defeats.
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I don't think it's about one individual. Pakistan has been losing odi series at home (in pakistan) even before misbah. The entier approach to batting has been a shambles for decades
 
No one has answered my question. Why can't India beat a top side away?

The much maligned Pak beat SA on hard tracks.

Oh and India couldn't even beat Bang in Bang, so what is going on? I thought they had the best batting line up around and yet they couldn't chase 300.

Maybe the BCCI needs a saviour.

I pray that they do well.
 
saeed5646 said:
lol op is talking about bilateral series and last time i check we beat india in bilateral odi series so don,t be so

bitter
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I know it's good for bragging rights but we lose when the stakes are higher: which is why West Indies beats is in every tournament for the last few decades despite us dominating them in bilaterals
 
Pete Rose said:
How does it prove that? does it mean that England and New Zealand are overrated odi sides considering they lost in India ?
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England and New Zealand aren't held to be great sides to start with. England was knocked out of the WC by a minnow and have been gradually improving since. New Zealand have gone into a revival stage ever since the retirement of their top players like Vettori, McCullum, Mills, Elliot etc. I'm not saying that they're as bad sides as Pakistan or something but India are thought to be some ATG unit by most fans and commies - clearly not the case.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I suggest Indian fans don't get offended for these are only stats. There is no doubt about India being a better team in LOI's so there's no comparison. But this thread proves that India are also massively overrated in the ODI format.
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Sir we were never good in south africa. We have won in every other place in away tours.

I absolutely agree that indian odi team is over rated and never that good in bilaterals particularly away from home
 
ExpressPacer said:
England and New Zealand aren't held to be great sides to start with. England was knocked out of the WC by a minnow and have been gradually improving since. New Zealand have gone into a revival stage ever since the retirement of their top players like Vettori, McCullum, Mills, Elliot etc. I'm not saying that they're as bad sides as Pakistan or something but India are thought to be some ATG unit by most fans and commies - clearly not the case.
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Not that's not a fact based argument. It does not argue the same time frame. New Zealand got further than us in the World Cup and England has been beating every one post World Cup. Both India and Pakistan truly deserve their ranking
 
Pete Rose said:
Not that's not a fact based argument. It does not argue the same time frame. New Zealand got further than us in the World Cup and England has been beating every one post World Cup. Both India and Pakistan truly deserve their ranking
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This has nothing to do with Pakistan. I'm looking for a solution to India's problems. I felt really bad for them when they went to England as world no. 1 team and were beaten so thoroughly. A top team should not suffer like that.
 
dildildalwalla said:
No one has answered my question. Why can't India beat a top side away?

The much maligned Pak beat SA on hard tracks.

Oh and India couldn't even beat Bang in Bang, so what is going on? I thought they had the best batting line up around and yet they couldn't chase 300.

Maybe the BCCI needs a saviour.

I pray that they do well.
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U tell us how many series india played outside of india since 2014
 
dildildalwalla said:
This has nothing to do with Pakistan. I'm looking for a solution to India's problems. I felt really bad for them when they went to England as world no. 1 team and were beaten so thoroughly. A top team should not suffer like that.
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So what happened to the world no 1 pak team when they toured nz, aus?
 
Pete Rose said:
I know it's good for bragging rights but we lose when the stakes are higher: which is why West Indies beats is in every tournament for the last few decades despite us dominating them in bilaterals
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our boys are timid and are bottler under pressure but with PSL young guns will be better than previous one

due to playing in pressure situation hopefully we will win when stake are higher in future
 
OP accuses anyone of not agreeing with him as an Indian, when truth is that we debate with Indians all day in TP yet OP is nowhere.

And as expected he's changed his flag. :))
 
Pete Rose said:
What annoys me most about the last two decades is that India plays well in the big occasions whereas Pakistan wilts under pressure.
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To be fair, thats why the Indian side is held in a slightly better light than they should be. Performance in the CT, and World Cup.

They were lucky to get the conditions that they did in the last CT - England had prepared dry tracks for the upcoming Ashes series.

World Cup - well they were written off before the tournament started, and performed better than expected before getting hammered by Australia in the semis.

Pak have never turned up for the big events, and have inevitably lost to India.
 
ExpressPacer said:
England and New Zealand aren't held to be great sides to start with. England was knocked out of the WC by a minnow and have been gradually improving since. New Zealand have gone into a revival stage ever since the retirement of their top players like Vettori, McCullum, Mills, Elliot etc. I'm not saying that they're as bad sides as Pakistan or something but India are thought to be some ATG unit by most fans and commies - clearly not the case.
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How many teams are there even in cricket? We have been a top 3 team for more than a decade.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2007;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2012;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team
 
dildildalwalla said:
This has nothing to do with Pakistan. I'm looking for a solution to India's problems. I felt really bad for them when they went to England as world no. 1 team and were beaten so thoroughly. A top team should not suffer like that.
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Yeah India went to the 2014 ODI series as world no 1 and won 3-1.
 
Zahid87 said:
To be fair, thats why the Indian side is held in a slightly better light than they should be. Performance in the CT, and World Cup.

They were lucky to get the conditions that they did in the last CT - England had prepared dry tracks for the upcoming Ashes series.

World Cup - well they were written off before the tournament started, and performed better than expected before getting hammered by Australia in the semis.

Pak have never turned up for the big events, and have inevitably lost to India.
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Even by W/L ratio India have been top 3 for more than a decade.
 
Drreddymd said:
U tell us how many series india played outside of india since 2014
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Played 5. Won 2. Lost 3. If I'm not mistaken. Their only wins are against Zimbabwe.

They could not even beat SA at home. So there is a big departmental problem with the domestic circuit if they can't beat big teams away or at home.

Plus I am angry that the powerhouse BCCI could not organise bilateral series against Pakistan or SOuth Africa away yet they can do Zimbabwe twice. BCCI is so powerful, it is the heart of cricket but it is not doing it's job right. Am I correct?
 
Pakpak said:
OP accuses anyone of not agreeing with him as an Indian, when truth is that we debate with Indians all day in TP yet OP is nowhere.

And as expected he's changed his flag. :))
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LOL What is going on why he changes his flag
 
Zahid87 said:
To be fair, thats why the Indian side is held in a slightly better light than they should be. Performance in the CT, and World Cup.

They were lucky to get the conditions that they did in the last CT - England had prepared dry tracks for the upcoming Ashes series.

World Cup - well they were written off before the tournament started, and performed better than expected before getting hammered by Australia in the semis.

Pak have never turned up for the big events, and have inevitably lost to India.
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That's not true. They have done very well in world t20s apart from the last two and I think have the second best record of any team.

Pakistan have also done well in the previous world cup, especialy considering they started to slow and beat SA as underdogs.

Do not think so low of yourself brother.
 
dildildalwalla said:
Played 5. Won 2. Lost 3. If I'm not mistaken. Their only wins are against Zimbabwe.

They could not even beat SA at home. So there is a big departmental problem with the domestic circuit if they can't beat big teams away or at home.

Plus I am angry that the powerhouse BCCI could not organise bilateral series against Pakistan or SOuth Africa away yet they can do Zimbabwe twice. BCCI is so powerful, it is the heart of cricket but it is not doing it's job right. Am I correct?
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We best England where Pakistan conceded 444.
 
dildildalwalla said:
Played 5. Won 2. Lost 3. If I'm not mistaken. Their only wins are against Zimbabwe.

They could not even beat SA at home. So there is a big departmental problem with the domestic circuit if they can't beat big teams away or at home.

Plus I am angry that the powerhouse BCCI could not organise bilateral series against Pakistan or SOuth Africa away yet they can do Zimbabwe twice. BCCI is so powerful, it is the heart of cricket but it is not doing it's job right. Am I correct?
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First ask pcb to arrange matches at home atleast then u can worry about bcci
 
Thats why we are ranked 4 and not in top 2. Our ODI team is in transition, a process that should have begun after 2015 WC.
 
dildildalwalla said:
Played 5. Won 2. Lost 3. If I'm not mistaken. Their only wins are against Zimbabwe.

They could not even beat SA at home. So there is a big departmental problem with the domestic circuit if they can't beat big teams away or at home.

Plus I am angry that the powerhouse BCCI could not organise bilateral series against Pakistan or SOuth Africa away yet they can do Zimbabwe twice. BCCI is so powerful, it is the heart of cricket but it is not doing it's job right. Am I correct?
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Ok, so India lost 3 series, big deal?
 
OP why are you comparing their ODI side with us and embarrassing us? Compare Test sides if you have to.
 
dildildalwalla said:
That's not true. They have done very well in world t20s apart from the last two and I think have the second best record of any team.

Pakistan have also done well in the previous world cup, especialy considering they started to slow and beat SA as underdogs.

Do not think so low of yourself brother.
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Talking about ODIs here. Again, previous World Cup only has painful memories for me. YK, Nasir Jamshed, and another loss to India.
 
Its true though . India and pakistan both lost to aus by same margin . India got hammered in southafrica while pak won . Both lost to bangladesh and newzealand . India even lost the limited over series to the westindies of all teams.
The thing is that kohli can win them games at home against sides unfamiliar with conditions . Pakistan are one of the few sides that play well in india and india failed that test as well along with perhaps southafrica and australia.

Indian limited overs side is all about kohli . He performs abroad they will start competing.
 
India last win away 2014 vs England.

Since then India have played

1) Australia tri series ( just before world cup)
2) vs Bangladesh lost 2-1
3) vs Australia lost 4-1

Is this such a large sample size?

I see hate, inferiority complex and chest thumping by twisting some facts. If that make OP happy, so be it.
 
ethan hunt said:
Its true though . India and pakistan both lost to aus by same margin . India got hammered in southafrica while pak won . Both lost to bangladesh and newzealand . India even lost the limited over series to the westindies of all teams.
The thing is that kohli can win them games at home against sides unfamiliar with conditions . Pakistan are one of the few sides that play well in india and india failed that test as well along with perhaps southafrica and australia.

Indian limited overs side is all about kohli . He performs abroad they will start competing.
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First you start competing at home before comparing :harby
 
ethan hunt said:
Its true though . India and pakistan both lost to aus by same margin . India got hammered in southafrica while pak won . Both lost to bangladesh and newzealand . India even lost the limited over series to the westindies of all teams.
The thing is that kohli can win them games at home against sides unfamiliar with conditions . Pakistan are one of the few sides that play well in india and india failed that test as well along with perhaps southafrica and australia.

Indian limited overs side is all about kohli . He performs abroad they will start competing.
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Conveniently forgot England? 444 vs 3-1? Very sneaky.

And India did not lose an ODI series against WI in a long time. Very sneakily mentioning Limited Over. That was a T20 series. If we're talking T20 didn't we whitewash Oz in Oz.

:srt
 
Drreddymd said:
He is telling u atleast win at u r home.
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This thread isnt about pakistan winning (lack of ) at home though.
Its a statistical analysis of the term "lions at home , lambs abroad " that was first brought into cricket to describe team India back in the day .
 
Because MSD is the captain and he doesn't care about bilaterals and uses them to experiment and chops and changes stuff to get ready for a big tournament. That's why he has so many trophies.
 
 
ethan hunt said:
This thread isnt about pakistan winning (lack of ) at home though.
Its a statistical analysis of the term "lions at home , lambs abroad " that was first brought into cricket to describe team India back in the day .
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Yes, exactly. This thread is specifically created by OP by picking selective stats.

1) away

2) top teams

3) only bi laterals

so by applying these conditions, he smartly removed all the big achievements and focus on just the negative results...

got the point now?
 
Our ODI team has been in slow decline since the 2011 World Cup. I'd say 2007-2011 were our best years for ODI's. Since then, we simply haven't adapted to the ultra aggressive brand of cricket that the 2 new ball ODI's demand. Only teams with aggressive batsmen and pace bowlers can dominate in this era. That's why SAF and OZ are top two. NZ and england don't have the pacers for ODI's even though their ODI batting has adapted to modern needs well enough.
 
Drreddymd said:
First ask pcb to arrange matches at home atleast then u can worry about bcci
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But the PCB play in the UAE, where every other country has toured. Does the BCCI have something against UAE?

Btw I replied to your question so can you reply to mine. What is wrong with the Indian set up that they can only beat Zimbabwe?
 
deep82 said:
Yes, exactly. This thread is specifically created by OP by picking selective stats.

1) away

2) top teams

3) only bi laterals

so by applying these conditions, he smartly removed all the big achievements and focus on just the negative results...

got the point now?
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What big achievement did I miss? India lost to SA in India. I could mention that also but I didn't.

My question is very simple, why cant team of superstars win against any other team apart from Zimbabwe?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Our ODI team has been in slow decline since the 2011 World Cup. I'd say 2007-2011 were our best years for ODI's. Since then, we simply haven't adapted to the ultra aggressive brand of cricket that the 2 new ball ODI's demand. Only teams with aggressive batsmen and pace bowlers can dominate in this era. That's why SAF and OZ are top two. NZ and england don't have the pacers for ODI's even though their ODI batting has adapted to modern needs well enough.
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NZ have the best aggressive batting stats I think. England have improved drastically since 2015.

But I agree with your points, however, the issue is why are some of the world's highest paid ODI cricketers, in a team described as the team of superstars, not able to win. If the BCCI is so rich, is not investing money in the domestic system or are all the board members putting the money in their own pocket?
 
dildildalwalla said:
no one has answered my question. Why can't india beat a top side away?

The much maligned pak beat sa on hard tracks.

Oh and india couldn't even beat bang in bang, so what is going on? I thought they had the best batting line up around and yet they couldn't chase 300.

Maybe the bcci needs a saviour.

I pray that they do well.
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ftb
 
Since 2014, the only series India has played away against a top side is against Australia. At least search up the facts before making a post.
 
Who cares about meaningless bilaterals, as long as we win ICC events or be top 3 in ICC events then that is all that matters.. bilaterals are useless and should be used to try new players/strategies/combos against international teams..
 
India are a very mediocre and overrated one day team.
Barring 2013 CT they have been smacked pretty much everywhere.
 
dildildalwalla said:
What big achievement did I miss? India lost to SA in India. I could mention that also but I didn't.

My question is very simple, why cant team of superstars win against any other team apart from Zimbabwe?
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Achievement - The World CUP! happened in Australia which isn't home. Won 7 games on a row...did you conveniently leave that on behest of bi lateral...

The CT ...won freaking every game....and guess what it was not at home as well....

We are not a superstar team...we are a good stable ODI team ( not best by any mean..we understand our limitation unlike a self proclaimed all weather team..)

and guess what its just 3 away series since our last away series win against England....3 away series and u come with selective stats....

The top two teams have shockers too

Aus was bliped 5-0 but are unbeatable at home

SA lost to BD

so what? ODI cricket is not that predictable...these teams are still no..1 & 2.

I just give you one final stats and then won't bother to indulge in this anymore because you have ofcourse made your mind based on your selective stats and bias...

Last 2 WC ODI- India champion, SF
Last 2 WC T20- India finalist, SF
Last 2 CT- India champion, First round exit

These are the stats the world take notice of..not some random 3 match ODI series...

Take care.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Who cares about meaningless bilaterals, as long as we win ICC events or be top 3 in ICC events then that is all that matters.. bilaterals are useless and should be used to try new players/strategies/combos against international teams..
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its not as if India are like australia at icc events .
The westindies have more Icc trophies than india yet their public and ex cricketers keep crying about their team .
International sports is no place for excuses . You play to excel.
 
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SamNJ said:
India are a very mediocre and overrated one day team.
Barring 2013 CT they have been smacked pretty much everywhere.
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WC 2015? 7 away matches in a row? remember ? oh sorry, weak memory!
 
ethan hunt said:
its not as if India are like australia at icc events .
The westindies have more Icc trophies than india yet their public and ex cricketers keep crying about their team .
International sports is no place for excuses . You play to excel.
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No team can be perfect...It seems India has to win freaking every match on planet to earn respect! Sorry, doesn't happen in any sport...
 
deep82 said:
WC 2015? 7 away matches in a row? remember ? oh sorry, weak memory!
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Tbf people tend to forget semifinalists or quarterfinalists when it comes to tournaments. Even finalists for that matter .
Nobody gets a trophy for a quarterfinal appearance.
 
deep82 said:
No team can be perfect...It seems India has to win freaking every match on planet to earn respect! Sorry, doesn't happen in any sport...
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India has 5 ICC trophies as well...

And don't bring WI into it, they haven't done absoultely anything in 25 years in any format apart from two T20WC...
 
ethan hunt said:
India have never won an odi series in South africa and were pretty poor the last time around as well while the much maligned junaid khan won pakistan consecutive odi series in southafrica and India.

The thing with the indian limited overs side is that ifs overly dependant on kohli who is a fantastic player but isnt as big a factor away so the team has suffered when he has failed.
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Kohli was a big factor in the AUS series but that wasn't enough
 
ethan hunt said:
Tbf people tend to forget semifinalists or quarterfinalists when it comes to tournaments. Even finalists for that matter .
Nobody gets a trophy for a quarterfinal appearance.
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oh yes but they all remember the glorious bi lateral ODI results...good logic!
 
Black Zero said:
ftb
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yeah!

deep82 said:
Achievement - The World CUP! happened in Australia which isn't home. Won 7 games on a row...did you conveniently leave that on behest of bi lateral...

The CT ...won freaking every game....and guess what it was not at home as well....

We are not a superstar team...we are a good stable ODI team ( not best by any mean..we understand our limitation unlike a self proclaimed all weather team..)

and guess what its just 3 away series since our last away series win against England....3 away series and u come with selective stats....

The top two teams have shockers too

Aus was bliped 5-0 but are unbeatable at home

SA lost to BD

so what? ODI cricket is not that predictable...these teams are still no..1 & 2.

I just give you one final stats and then won't bother to indulge in this anymore because you have ofcourse made your mind based on your selective stats and bias...

Last 2 WC ODI- India champion, SF
Last 2 WC T20- India finalist, SF
Last 2 CT- India champion, First round exit

These are the stats the world take notice of..not some random 3 match ODI series...

Take care.
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wh yare you acting as if bilateral series don't count? they are the bread and butter of international cricket. WIthout bilateral series, cricket would make no money.
 
ethan hunt said:
its not as if India are like australia at icc events .
The westindies have more Icc trophies than india yet their public and ex cricketers keep crying about their team .
International sports is no place for excuses . You play to excel.
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Of course I have said many times a country of 1.3bipp people with 1 major game should dominate that game for eternity and only country who should be able to challenge them should be Pakistan.. But that's not the point this thread was about bilaterals and as a fan I am saying I, along with probably many others don't give a crap about bilateral ODIs anymore..

We have been doing alright in ICC events think the last time we were schooled was in 2007 WC? Having said that I would expect us to win CT and WC or atleast be finalist in both..
 
deep82 said:
India has 5 ICC trophies as well...

And don't bring WI into it, they haven't done absoultely anything in 25 years in any format apart from two T20WC...
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you claim ICC tournaments are the most important thing and then ignore WIs two wc? lol
 
I don't think India played many bilateral ODI series since 2014. Can't remember any. SA series comes to my mind. Lost to NZ before WC. What else?
 
big_gamer007 said:
Of course I have said many times a country of 1.3bipp people with 1 major game should dominate that game for eternity and only country who should be able to challenge them should be Pakistan.. But that's not the point this thread was about bilaterals and as a fan I am saying I, along with probably many others don't give a crap about bilateral ODIs anymore..

We have been doing alright in ICC events think the last time we were schooled was in 2007 WC? Having said that I would expect us to win CT and WC or atleast be finalist in both..
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Pak have a better track record in world t20s and produced better wicket takers and run makers.

IPL is super star league of the world but India couldnt get to knock out stages until 2014 after the 2007 win. Why is that? That is a pretty crap track record.
 
dildildalwalla said:
you claim ICC tournaments are the most important thing and then ignore WIs two wc? lol
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Is your thread about present or past? Current Indian ODI side is alright not the greatest nor the worst but as long as we win CT and WC in next 2 years most fans would be happy even if we lose all bilateral Odis for next 2 years..
 
dildildalwalla said:
you claim ICC tournaments are the most important thing and then ignore WIs two wc? lol
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Yes, Lol! If you are little sensible enough you will realize that WI has been hovering around the bottom pile for 25 years and I am not counting off them...two T20 WC - respect but apart from that garbage and no respect for that.
 
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