India in no danger of losing hosting rights for World Cup 2023: David Richardson [Update Post #145]

[Savak]

Pay $23 million or lose 2023 World Cup: ICC to BCCI

K Shriniwas Rao | TNN | Updated: Dec 22, 2018, 08:39 IST

ICC has asked the BCCI to cough up roughly Rs 160 crore before Dec 31 to compensate for tax deductions incurred in hosting the 2016 World T20 in India.
India did not get a waiver from the central or state ministry for the tournament
The ICC is headed by former BCCI president Shashank Manohar

MUMBAI: The International Cricket Council (ICC) has put the proverbial gun to the head of the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), asking it to cough up US $23 million (roughly Rs 160 crore) before December 31 to compensate for the tax deductions incurred in hosting the 2016 World T20 in India.

The game’s global governing body, which is headed by former BCCI president Shashank Manohar, expects BCCI to compensate them for the tax deductions when India hosted the tournament two years ago and did not get a waiver from the central or state ministry. BCCI has been reminded of this demand, mentioned in the minutes of ICC’s board meeting in Singapore in October.

The Indian board, now governed by the Supreme Court-appointed Committee of Administrators, has less than 10 days left to comply with the ICC’s demand. The international body has threatened that should BCCI fail to do the needful, it will deduct that amount from India’s revenue share for current financial year.

The ICC has also threatened that should India fail to comply, the governing body will look at “other options” to host the 2021 Champions Trophy and the 2023 50-over World Cup, which are scheduled to be played in India.

Star TV, the official broadcast rights holder of all ICC tournaments, had deducted all taxes before paying the global body for the World T20 played in 2016, and the latter now wants the BCCI to compensate for it.

The BCCI, in turn, has asked the ICC to share the minutes of any meeting where it is recorded that India had agreed to tax waiver. “The ICC hasn’t provided any minutes to the BCCI yet,” sources in the know told TOI.

The BCCI was headed by former president N Srinivasan then and at no point, say those in the know, did the Chennai-based administrator tell the ICC that BCCI would compensate them for tax deductions should they not receive a waiver from the government.

“And now, the ICC is shying away from sharing any minutes because they don’t have any. They just want to recover that money from India,” sources said. There are indications that this bickering over tax-related matters is only an extension of the acrimony that ICC’s present independent chairman and Srinivasan have shared over a period of time. “Time and again, Shashank has targeted BCCI for his own personal agenda,” say members.

The board, nevertheless, is convinced that should ICC fail to share the minutes, no payment will be made and should the ICC deduct the money from India’s revenue, legal recourse will be sought. “It’s become fashionable to blame BCCI,” said a board member.

“Biting the hand that feeds, eh? Is that what it has come down to? A sports body that has economic value primarily because it feeds on India’s commercial stake in the game is telling India that it cannot host a World Cup? And that too with an Indian heading that organisation right now? What a joke,” said a senior BCCI member.

Link: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...orld-cup-icc-to-bcci/articleshow/67202484.cms

Comments: Lol, Indians making fun of the PCB reimbursement of legal and tribunal fees to the ICC and BCCI, i wonder why did no one highlight this gem. Atleast the PCB does not have to pay $23 million to anyone.

 

[Savak]

So the BCCI is threatening legal recourse against the ICC for deducting the amount from India's share. PCB should simply take note, follow the same practice and refuse to repay any legal fees to the BCCI and the ICC.

 

[badsha001]

Pakistan should pay its legal fees to ICC instead of BCCI ( ICC can ask rest from BCCI), less embrasement for Pakistan...

 

[Savak]

Pakistan should pay its legal fees to ICC instead of BCCI ( ICC can ask rest from BCCI), less embrasement for Pakistan...

Why should we follow ICC rules if BCCI feels it can violate them?

 

[AlizeeFan]

So the BCCI is threatening legal recourse against the ICC for deducting the amount from India's share. PCB should simply take note, follow the same practice and refuse to repay any legal fees to the BCCI and the ICC.

If ICC fails to prove that BCCI promised them tax exemption then ICC will be in legal trouble for deducting the money.

BCCI has asked ICC to share of minutes of meeting where they promised them this and it has been reported that ICC is not sharing details as BCCI never promised them.

If true, this could be worse than PCB-BCCI case. At least PCB had a piece of paper.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Why should we follow ICC rules if BCCI feels it can violate them?

Which rule has BCCI violated?

 

[Savak]

If ICC fails to prove that BCCI promised them tax exemption then ICC will be in legal trouble for deducting the money.

BCCI has asked ICC to share of minutes of meeting where they promised them this and it has been reported that ICC is not sharing details as BCCI never promised them.

If true, this could be worse than PCB-BCCI case. At least PCB had a piece of paper.

ICC can easily create a document showing the Minutes of Meeting, that will not really be an issue. The issue is that the ICC has given the BCCI a directive which the BCCI is failing to comply with.

The PCB can just as easily dispute the costs involved in its case and argue a much lower amount is justified.

 

[AlizeeFan]

So the BCCI is threatening legal recourse against the ICC for deducting the amount from India's share. PCB should simply take note, follow the same practice and refuse to repay any legal fees to the BCCI and the ICC.

Not surprised that Pakistani fans are supporting and wishing for illegal activities. That's how PCB has been operating and fans are reflection of that.

Threatining, bullying and extortion has been PCB way so far and they expect freebies by these methods.

 

[Savak]

Which rule has BCCI violated?

Ignoring ICC directives and threatening legal action over the ICC recovering its losses which the BCCI is responsible for.

 

[AlizeeFan]

ICC can easily create a document showing the Minutes of Meeting, that will not really be an issue. The issue is that the ICC has given the BCCI a directive which the BCCI is failing to comply with.

The PCB can just as easily dispute the costs involved in its case and argue a much lower amount is justified.

So you want ICC to fake a document?

Great, good way to go.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I think the ICC has been done in like a kipper by the BCCI on a technicality here, just like the PCB before them. The only recourse would probably be stripping them of hosting rights for the World Cup. That would open another proverbial can of worms leading to threats of the Indian team boycotting the event.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Ignoring ICC directives and threatening legal action over the ICC recovering its losses which the BCCI is responsible for.

That's not rule violation. If BCCI never promised it then it would be called refusing to cede to illegal demand.

How is BCCI responsible for those losses?

 

[Savak]

Not surprised that Pakistani fans are supporting and wishing for illegal activities. That's how PCB has been operating and fans are reflection of that.

Threatining, bullying and extortion has been PCB way so far and they expect freebies by these methods.

BCCI should be the last one to lecture others on threatening, bullying, extortion with their threats to sue the ICC over compensation over tax emeptions promised to it by the BCCI.

 

[Savak]

So you want ICC to fake a document?

Great, good way to go.

There is no want here. That document can easily be produced and the demands for tax exemption can easily be added in. The BCCI has no choice but to comply with the ICC directives.

 

[Savak]

I think the ICC has been done in like a kipper by the BCCI on a technicality here, just like the PCB before them. The only recourse would probably be stripping them of hosting rights for the World Cup. That would open another proverbial can of worms leading to threats of the Indian team boycotting the event.

ICC done in? Read again, they have issued an ultimatum to the BCCI to reimburse them for $23 million or it will get deducted from India's ICC share, lol, even the PCB has not had to face this level of humiliation or fine yet.

 

[AlizeeFan]

BCCI should be the last one to lecture others on threatening, bullying, extortion with their threats to sue the ICC over compensation over tax emeptions promised to it by the BCCI.

Just now you advocated producing a fake letter. Supporting corrupt approach isn't good idea.

Don't be so bitter.

It's fairly simple. If BCCI has promised compensation exemptions, then they should quietly pay the amount by end of year.

If they didn't then ICC should be sued if they deduct money.

 

[AlizeeFan]

ICC done in? Read again, they have issued an ultimatum to the BCCI to reimburse them for $23 million or it will get deducted from India's ICC share, lol, even the PCB has not had to face this level of humiliation or fine yet.

If they are unable to prove if then they can't deduct the money.

ICC can threaten to strip WC 2023 rights and ask BCCI to pay money without any proof. BCCI ideally shouldn't allow ICC to do this, but losing WC rights can result in higher losses then who knows BCCI may come up with some arrangement as they are more professional and business minded board.

 

[Last Monetarist]

ICC done in? Read again, they have issued an ultimatum to the BCCI to reimburse them for $23 million or it will get deducted from India's ICC share, lol, even the PCB has not had to face this level of humiliation or fine yet.

Yes, it seems the BCCI have no legal obligation to pay them that amount particularly as there is no proof of any binding commitment to a tax waiver. The ICC are simply trying to hoist the BCCI by their own petard with all the bluster and threats. If they deduct that money directly from the BCCI's share, the BCCI can rightfully sue them for breach. So the only recourse that the ICC can fall back on is taking the World Cup hosting rights away from India, simply because it is their competition.

 

[AlizeeFan]

There is no want here. That document can easily be produced and the demands for tax exemption can easily be added in. The BCCI has no choice but to comply with the ICC directives.

That's like producing fake document which didn't exist.

I know you're bitter and that's why you want ICC to do this. But never do this in real. Producing fake documents e.g. your education qualification or other documents can ruin your career.

Or who knows since you're supporting it then you might have been doing it also.

Whatever be the case, don't try it personally.

 

[Savak]

Just now you advocated producing a fake letter. Supporting corrupt approach isn't good idea.

Don't be so bitter.

It's fairly simple. If BCCI has promised compensation exemptions, then they should quietly pay the amount by end of year.

If they didn't then ICC should be sued if they deduct money.

The BCCI at the time stated that it would promise to speak to the Indian federal and state govt to secure the tax exemptions for the ICC for the 2016 event and for subsequent future events but was unsuccessful. But the chain of events show that the BCCI knew that they were going to be on the dock and according to the ICC rules and regulations, if an ICC event is held in a country and if the country decides against providing tax exemption to it, then the amount deducted becomes a liability of the host country board to the ICC.

The fact the BCCI was negotiating with the state government to grant exemption show the BCCI had agreed to try and provide the tax exemptions to the ICC. Will be hilarious if the ICC wins the legal case against the BCCI as well.

 

[AlizeeFan]

The BCCI at the time stated that it would promise to speak to the Indian federal and state govt to secure the tax exemptions for the ICC for the 2016 event and for subsequent future events but was unsuccessful. But the chain of events show that the BCCI knew that they were going to be on the dock and according to the ICC rules and regulations, if an ICC event is held in a country and if the country decides against providing tax exemption to it, then the amount deducted becomes a liability of the host country board to the ICC.

The fact the BCCI was negotiating with the state government to grant exemption show the BCCI had agreed to try and provide the tax exemptions to the ICC. Will be hilarious if the ICC wins the legal case against the BCCI as well.

If that's a rule then BCCI should definitely pay it.

Can you provide source for this rule?

 

[Savak]

Yes, it seems the BCCI have no legal obligation to pay them that amount particularly as there is no proof of any binding commitment to a tax waiver. The ICC are simply trying to hoist the BCCI by their own petard with all the bluster and threats. If they deduct that money directly from the BCCI's share, the BCCI can rightfully sue them for breach. So the only recourse that the ICC can fall back on is taking the World Cup hosting rights away from India, simply because it is their competition.

According to the ICC rules/regulations in situations like this, the host country's board is responsible for negotiating with the host country's governmet to obtain tax exemption for the ICC event and should they fail to obtain so, then the host country's board becomes liable for the tax deduction and has to reimburse it to the ICC. The fact the BCCI tried hard to negotiate with their state governments is solid proof they were aware of the situation, had in principle agreed to fight for providing the ICC with the tax exemptions, they failed to do so and therefore they will now be on the dock as per the existing ICC rules, regulations which the BCCI has signed up too. They cannot now say and deny that the ICC had ever asked for tax exemptions for it, what were they fighting with their state governments for and why were they lobbying for tax exemptions for the ICC then?

 

[Suleiman]

BCCICC rn:

 

[AlizeeFan]

According to the ICC rules/regulations in situations like this, the host country's board is responsible for negotiating with the host country's governmet to obtain tax exemption for the ICC event and should they fail to obtain so, then the host country's board becomes liable for the tax deduction and has to reimburse it to the ICC. The fact the BCCI tried hard to negotiate with their state governments is solid proof they were aware of the situation, had in principle agreed to fight for providing the ICC with the tax exemptions, they failed to do so and therefore they will now be on the dock as per the existing ICC rules, regulations which the BCCI has signed up too. They cannot now say and deny that the ICC had ever asked for tax exemptions for it, what were they fighting with their state governments for and why were they lobbying for tax exemptions for the ICC then?

1. I didn't any such rule. If you have then provide the link for the mentioned rule or stop making up stuff.
2. Onus is not on the board. Onus is on iCC to secure tax exemption. ICC officials met govt then to secure that. BCCI tried to help.
3. BCCI lobbying for it doesn't prove that BCCI agreed for it. It shows that BCCI is another money minded board which wants benefits from govt. In the end tax exemption benefits will trickle down to BCCI and other boards too.

Imagining stuff without any proof and wishing for corrupt practices to get back at BCCI!

 

[Last Monetarist]

According to the ICC rules/regulations in situations like this, the host country's board is responsible for negotiating with the host country's governmet to obtain tax exemption for the ICC event and should they fail to obtain so, then the host country's board becomes liable for the tax deduction and has to reimburse it to the ICC. The fact the BCCI tried hard to negotiate with their state governments is solid proof they were aware of the situation, had in principle agreed to fight for providing the ICC with the tax exemptions, they failed to do so and therefore they will now be on the dock as per the existing ICC rules, regulations which the BCCI has signed up too. They cannot now say and deny that the ICC had ever asked for tax exemptions for it, what were they fighting with their state governments for and why were they lobbying for tax exemptions for the ICC then?

Yes, but that line of argument won't wash in court. The BCCI can simply claim that they were negotiating with the government in good faith (acceptance in principle), and that there was no binding commitment to be on the hook if they failed. It's a technicality and proves yet again that naïveté has no place in negotiations with the BCCI. The PCB learned this the hard way, now it's the ICC's turn. However, given that the BCCI will lose more than the ICC if they lost World Cup hosting rights, I'd expect this to reach an amicable solution.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Yes, but that line of argument won't wash in court. The BCCI can simply claim that they were negotiating with the government in good faith (acceptance in principle), and that there was no binding commitment to be on the hook if they failed. It's a technicality and proves yet again that naïveté has no place in negotiations with the BCCI. The PCB learned this the hard way, now it's the ICC's turn. However, given that the BCCI will lose more than the ICC if they lost World Cup hosting rights, I'd expect this to reach an amicable solution.

Unlike PCB case there is no naivete involved here. PCB didn't enter any agreement, but ICC signs a host nation agreement with the hosting board and apparently that ageement has nothing about tax exemptions.

But if BCCI had promised it officially to ICC and ICC has it in their minutes of meeting, then BCCI should pay up and try to save 2023 hosting rights. If not then there is no point succumbing to such demands.

Sure BCCI will lose if they don't host WC, but ICC will also earn a lower share if they move WC to some other country

 

[Savak]

Yes, but that line of argument won't wash in court. The BCCI can simply claim that they were negotiating with the government in good faith (acceptance in principle), and that there was no binding commitment to be on the hook if they failed. It's a technicality and proves yet again that naïveté has no place in negotiations with the BCCI. The PCB learned this the hard way, now it's the ICC's turn. However, given that the BCCI will lose more than the ICC if they lost World Cup hosting rights, I'd expect this to reach an amicable solution.

Meaning a payment of $23 million to the ICC?

 

[AlizeeFan]

Meaning a payment of $23 million to the ICC?

By producing fake letter?

 

[Savak]

If that's a rule then BCCI should definitely pay it.

Can you provide source for this rule?

Have read it in an article. Don't have time to read through 1000's of pages of legal document. The ICC wouldn't be pursuing this if it wasn't law.

 

[Savak]

By producing fake letter?

If the ICC produces the minutes, what is to say the BCCI won't accuse the ICC of fabricating it?

 

[Last Monetarist]

Meaning a payment of $23 million to the ICC?

I see that as probable, unless someone at the BCCI wants to make a stand against Manohar.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Have read it in an article. Don't have time to read through 1000's of pages of legal document. The ICC wouldn't be pursuing this if it wasn't law.

Oh, admit it that you made up that stuff just like you want ICC to produce fake letter.

ICC has every reason to pursue it even if it's not a rule. Who doesn't want extra money?

 

[Savak]

point being, the PCB is atleast not on the dock to any party in the world for $23 million, lesson for the BCCI is Karma, you lie, cheat and mislead others, it will serve to bite you eventually

 

[Savak]

The funny thing is an Indian at the ICC is asking the BCCI to pay up.

 

[AlizeeFan]

If the ICC produces the minutes, what is to say the BCCI won't accuse the ICC of fabricating it?

It's not some 10000 rupees shopping where people can produce fake document. Fabricating and accusing others of fabricating a document might be common for you, but doesn't work like that everywhere.

ICC signed an agreement with BCCI like it does with any other board and that agreement doesn't have anything about exemption.

 

[AlizeeFan]

point being, the PCB is atleast not on the dock to any party in the world for $23 million, lesson for the BCCI is Karma, you lie, cheat and mislead others, it will serve to bite you eventually

Still bitter about PCB loss. Does PCB pay anything to you? Otherwise there is no point supporting corrrupt practices of the board. They don't do anything for benefits of fans and unless they are paying fans, no one supporting extortion and idea of faking documents.

 

[Savak]

Still bitter about PCB loss. Does PCB pay anything to you? Otherwise there is no point supporting corrrupt practices of the board. They don't do anything for benefits of fans and unless they are paying fans, no one supporting extortion and idea of faking documents.

Lol, why would i be bitter about a verdict written by the BCCI against the PCB. As the lord almighty is supreme and absolute, he has pinched the BCCI by 10 times the amount the PCB owes therefore justice is sweet.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Lol, why would i be bitter about a verdict written by the BCCI against the PCB. As the lord almighty is supreme and absolute, he has pinched the BCCI by 10 times the amount the PCB owes therefore justice is sweet.

Wow! Proposing idea of faking a document and taking Lord Almighty name.

 

[latecut]

Have no worry. ICC will tamely back out.

 

[Savak]

BCCI to break away from ICC if 2021 Champions Trophy, 2023 World Cup hosting rights taken away: Report

Updated Feb 16, 2018 | 13:49 IST | Times Now, TNN Reports

As per the report, ICC has not even applied for an exemption with the Indian government, considering they themselves would have to share their own revenue patterns and all related papers with the authorities in order to avail an exemption.

A lot has been spoken about the International Cricket Council's plan to take away the hosting rights of 2021 ICC Champions Trophy as well as the 2023 World Cup from India, in the wake of Indian government's resistance over giving the apex body a tax exemption. While the threat of losing the rights of the two major ICC events looms large, the BCCI has reportedly warned that it will invoke the Members Participation Agreement (MPA) if such a scenario becomes reality.

As per a TOI report, sources aware of the developments said: “Should the ICC use tax exemptions from Indian government as an excuse to make up for their own losses and propose the shifting of tournaments, it will lead to a disaster. India will pull out of all agreements.”

“The matter came up when the ICC board expressed their concern around the absence of tax exemption from the Indian Government for ICC events held in India, despite ongoing efforts from both the ICC and BCCI to secure the exemption which is a standard practice for major sporting events around the world,” the ICC statement had said after a meeting earlier this month.

ICC’s independent chairman Shashank Manohar, who is gearing up for a re-election to the chair in June this year, is said to have won the previous elections because of his resolve to do away with the financial model first dictated by India. Those speaking for the BCCI say that “now those numbers in the present cycle cannot be compensated so India’s tax laws can’t be used as an excuse”.

The TOI report further reveals that the ICC has not even applied for an exemption with the Indian government, considering they themselves would have to share their own revenue patterns and all related papers with the authorities in order to avail an exemption.

The BCCI, however, says ICC — despite Manohar at the helm — expects them to start a dialogue with the government and expects India to clear past tax dues, including the 2016 World T20. “This is a joke, unless, there are individuals doing this to protect their own chairs after projecting financial surpluses that now cannot be justified,” a source tracking the developments told TOI.

In the worst case scenario where the ICC decides to shift two major cricket tournaments outside of India, in order to compensate for their own losses of US$100m, the stand-off between them and the BCCI will surely get ugly.

“This time, the BCCI will not flinch in invoking its rights through the MPA. India’s losses in those newly proposed ICC revenues don’t mean a thing. The proposed loss is not even enough to make up for what the BCCI earns through a single bilateral or two (Star pays Rs 43 crore per match according to the present contract and the renewed one is expected to fetch more in the new bidding). To make up for the rest of the world, you can’t take a tournament of this magnitude away from India,” the source added while speaking about the matter.

India last hosted an ICC event in 2016 – ICC World Twenty20 – but a tax exemption was not given by the government. ICC’s latest decision to search for an alternative venue for both 2021 and 2023, however, has not gone down well with the Indian cricket board.

Link: https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...d-cup-hosting-rights-taken-away-report/199051

Comments: Lol, like i said, the BCCI and the Indians should be the last ones to lecture Pakistan or any country on bullying, extortion and threats

 

[Savak]

Have no worry. ICC will tamely back out.

Yes, tamely back out $23 million from India's ICC revenue share.

 

[latecut]

BCCI bankrolls 70 % of ICC earning. ICC are far wiser than PCB to mess with BCCI.

 

[Savak]

BCCI bankrolls 70 % of ICC earning. ICC are far wiser than PCB to mess with BCCI.

This is an admission that the ICC verdict in favor of India against the PCB was not fair, impartial and in fact written by the BCCI. So far the ICC isn't backing down.

 

[BaankeJi]

ICC is becoming too greedy. Why will there be a tax rebate?
ICC is going PCB way- first sue without solid grounds and then pay the legal fees.
I am sure ICC will become a laughing stock in a few days.

 

[latecut]

Syupreme Court has hampered the working of BCCI. That is why ICC is trying to take advantage of BCCI at this moment. They will be put in their rightful place soon.

 

[Savak]

ICC is becoming too greedy. Why will there be a tax rebate?
ICC is going PCB way- first sue without solid grounds and then pay the legal fees.
I am sure ICC will become a laughing stock in a few days.

Why not? ICC gets tax exemptions from England, Australia and other major countries. Why should India be the special exception?

 

[Savak]

Looks like Indians are not only out of Pocket $23 million but will also lose the rights to the 2021 CT and 2023 WC.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Why not? ICC gets tax exemptions from England, Australia and other major countries. Why should India be the special exception?

Did anyone force ICC not to host event in those major countries?

 

[Savak]

Did anyone force ICC not to host event in those major countries?

ICC has hosted events in those countries many times and is willing to host events in those countries again and not even blink at India if India fails to provide tax exemptions to it and reimburses it for the previous tax liability of $23 million deducted.

 

[BaankeJi]

Why not? ICC gets tax exemptions from England, Australia and other major countries. Why should India be the special exception?

Because Indian govt doesn't feel it's ok to provide tax exemption

 

[AlizeeFan]

ICC has hosted events in those countries many times and is willing to host events in those countries again and not even blink at India if India fails to provide tax exemptions to it and reimburses it for the previous tax liability of $23 million deducted.

Why should BCCI reimburse for that? Onus was on ICC to secure exemption and they failed at it.

Now BCCI should pay up for failures of ICC?

ICC wants to host events in India because even with tax deductions they earn more money than they do in most of other countries.

 

[Varun]

Guys - please stop.

Everybody knows at the front of their heads and the back of their heads that India is going to host this World Cup. Save yourselves the trouble and use this weekend for something more productive instead.

 

[jagatk]

ICC has hosted events in those countries many times and is willing to host events in those countries again and not even blink at India if India fails to provide tax exemptions to it and reimburses it for the previous tax liability of $23 million deducted.

Small problem with your delusions is that ICC depends of people of India to watch games, when India isn't playing that number goes for a toss as ICC found out in 2007 WC debacle. Lose 23mn in taxes or lose most of your revenue and maybe face a breakaway group with India your biggest source of Income leading the way.

 

[Varun]

Let's see if the ICC wasted all this time or truly means business on following its hardline stance here.

If this was Australia or Pakistan or somebody, the ICC could have gone hammer and tongs and got what they wanted.

However, it is for good reason that the ICC is called the BCCICC.

 

[Savak]

If this was Australia or Pakistan or somebody, the ICC could have gone hammer and tongs and got what they wanted.

However, it is for good reason that the ICC is called the BCCICC.

Hence why the genuine feeling the verdict against the PCB was written by the BCCI itself

 

[Savak]

Secondly Australia is no pushover, they are not far behind India in terms of commercial contribution to the ICC

 

[Varun]

Hence why the genuine feeling the verdict against the PCB was written by the BCCI itself

Yes - and the PCB are a little thick to have assumed there was a neutral entity to adjudge matters. They would have lost in such a scenario as well - seeing they didn't have a case to begin with.

Secondly Australia is no pushover, they are not far behind India in terms of commercial contribution to the ICC

Australia does what the BCCI asks it to do.

 

[jagatk]

Hence why the genuine feeling the verdict against the PCB was written by the BCCI itself

Yes ICC hired a renowned CAS Judge, an ex Australian Federal Court Judge and an arbitration guy who works for the IMF just to give a biased judgement. Pak delusions will never end, you lost get over it, it wasn't your money.

 

[Savak]

Yes ICC hired a renowned CAS Judge, an ex Australian Federal Court Judge and an arbitration guy who works for the IMF just to give a biased judgement. Pak delusions will never end, you lost get over it, it wasn't your money.

Lol in this case it's an Indian demanding that the BCCI reimburse the ICC for its funds given that tax exemption for ICC tournaments is a norm

 

[Varun]

Lol in this case it's an Indian demanding that the BCCI reimburse the ICC for its funds given that tax exemption for ICC tournaments is a norm

Hence the term, BCCICC.

 

[Savak]

Hence the term, BCCICC.

Funny how an Indian would put his own board and country in such a negative spotlight

 

[Varun]

Funny how an Indian would put his own board and country in such a negative spotlight

I only care about what happens on the field, man.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Great to see [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] so excited. Am no fan of BCCI buffoons but ICC will not get a single penny in this case. What to say about the threat of taking away 2021 CT and 3023 WC is laughable. As if it's child play

Shashank Manohar keeps getting such news planted in Indian media through his cronies and makes a quiet retreat later.

 

[Kaka_Hathrasi]

India will be hosting in 2021 and 2023 thats for sure. And ICC couldn't get tax exemption, it proves a failure on their side. Now they want BCCI to pay for it. Does ICC think that VINOD RAI headed BCCI will give them a penny which has already counter sued PCB for $4 million ?? These gimmicks of ICC wont work at all.

 

[jagatk]

Lol in this case it's an Indian demanding that the BCCI reimburse the ICC for its funds given that tax exemption for ICC tournaments is a norm

What has that got to do with anything? But then again you think fake minutes of a meeting can be conjured up and demanding a tax exemption is same as reimbursing a tax.

 

[BlackShadow]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] is #TeamICC I suppose.

Good luck mate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ICC can easily create a document showing the Minutes of Meeting, that will not really be an issue. The issue is that the ICC has given the BCCI a directive which the BCCI is failing to comply with.

The PCB can just as easily dispute the costs involved in its case and argue a much lower amount is justified.

Minutes of a board meeting are signed by the members and each member has a copy. Lol at create a document.

The issue is ICC just cant give a directive whenever it feels like. They have to have a legal move defending that directive.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, it seems the BCCI have no legal obligation to pay them that amount particularly as there is no proof of any binding commitment to a tax waiver. The ICC are simply trying to hoist the BCCI by their own petard with all the bluster and threats. If they deduct that money directly from the BCCI's share, the BCCI can rightfully sue them for breach. So the only recourse that the ICC can fall back on is taking the World Cup hosting rights away from India, simply because it is their competition.

If ICC strips Bcci of hosting rights BCCI will again sue them. Worse they will refuse to send the Indian team. The Member's participation agreement of the ICC that bcci signed has contigencies that Srinivasan put in for the BCCI.

 

[cricketjoshila]

point being, the PCB is atleast not on the dock to any party in the world for $23 million, lesson for the BCCI is Karma, you lie, cheat and mislead others, it will serve to bite you eventually

Has BCCI agreed to a pay a dime? They have refused.

You were jumping up and down that pcb will get $60mn. Pcb got zero and ended up paying. If only your wishes were reality.

 

[Convict]

Guys - please stop.

Everybody knows at the front of their heads and the back of their heads that India is going to host this World Cup. Save yourselves the trouble and use this weekend for something more productive instead.

This.

Its about as likely as the MCG/Boxing Day test getting stripped because of poor pitches.

Ain't happening.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Looks like Indians are not only out of Pocket $23 million but will also lose the rights to the 2021 CT and 2023 WC.

Like they paid PCB $60MN?

 

[Convict]

Actually even with out tax exemption the revenue from a world cup in India will dwarf everywhere else.

Plus regardless of what the ICC want to do - are CA and ECB really going to strip a world cup of India for their one tenth share of 23 million?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] wants ICC to fake documents?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Funniest bit of news I’ve heard today. Am I supposed to laugh or just cringe on the absurdity of the whole scenario? Everyone knows that there is no honour among thieves. It was naive of ICC to take BCCI for its word. BCCI is not going to pay anything to ICC.

 

[Savak]

Minutes of a board meeting are signed by the members and each member has a copy. Lol at create a document.

The issue is ICC just cant give a directive whenever it feels like. They have to have a legal move defending that directive.

Lol then why is the BCCI asking the ICC to produce this document if the BCCI and the rest of the ICC members already has it?

 

[Tusker]

Lol then why is the BCCI asking the ICC to produce this document if the BCCI and the rest of the ICC members already has it?

Perhaps there wasn't a document to begin with or atleast the BCCI didn't sign it?. . One way or the other we will find out if this was agreed to by BCCI. This is N. Srinivasan we are talking about.

In any case I see from your posts that the recent PCB loss has gotten to you and you are now looking for revenge in typical Pakistani style ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol then why is the BCCI asking the ICC to produce this document if the BCCI and the rest of the ICC members already has it?

Because thats what you do as a legal reply.

Ask for the basis on which the other party is claiming $23mn.

If there is exists a minutes of a meeting that says BCCI agreed to pay the ICC the tax deductions and Bcci signed it then ICC has the right to that $23mn.

Bcci full well knows there is no such document or atleast thats what it says. So onus is on Icc to produce such a document.

 

[Tusker]

Lol in this case it's an Indian demanding that the BCCI reimburse the ICC for its funds given that tax exemption for ICC tournaments is a norm

so why are you excited ? Its not like a Pakistani did anything to BCCI for you to enjoy the revenge of sorts that you are desperately looking for after the MoU debacle.

 

[HitWicket]

Not surprised that Pakistani fans are supporting and wishing for illegal activities. That's how PCB has been operating and fans are reflection of that.

Let's not exaggerate, the ICC is a board essentially acting as a charity by giving out their income, if the board voted to deduct from India's share then it wouldn't be an illegal decision.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Let's not exaggerate, the ICC is a board essentially acting as a charity by giving out their income, if the board voted to deduct from India's share then it wouldn't be an illegal decision.

The icc exists because of its members. It earns money because of its members. Without the members sending their teams to play, Icc wont have a tournament. In return of that ICC gives each member a certain amount to promote cricket in their country.

So no the ICC is not doing any charity.

The icc has not even applied for tax waiver. How will it get one?

Let the board vote then. Bcci will have its legal options open.