India must learn from Pakistani batsmen's temperament

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

are you going to argue about toss not having an impact? cause the results are there to see.....

Your team is 129/2 after winning the toss and choosing to bat.

What are you talking about toss boy? My team and team players are actually waiting for [New Sponsor Name] IPL to start in UAE? And they have no intention of playing international cricket for the next three months at least.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Unfortunately, Pakistani batsmen learnt from the way Indian batsmen have been batting in England instead.

Well said Bhaijaan.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Unfortunately, Pakistani batsmen learnt from the way Indian batsmen have been batting in England instead.

india and Pakistan need to tour Ireland or play county games before playing in England. That's how pakistan drew away last time and india won in 07.

but this recently concluded matched revealed Pakistan's bowling capacity. No excuse to not win with a lead of freaking 277.

 

[fitCricFan]

Another gem of an epic thread. I can see this being bumped up a lot in the future. Keep them coming

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I think Pakistan bowlers need to learn a lot from Indian bowlers.
They were too short in the second innings. Not sure why. I have never seen naseem bowling so many short balls.

 

[shamaan]

I think Pakistan bowlers need to learn a lot from Indian bowlers.
They were too short in the second innings. Not sure why. I have never seen naseem bowling so many short balls.

I fought he didnt bowl enough short balls to woakes

 

[Rightarmfast]

Any Pakistani who is ruing this thread as jinxed must not forget that this wasn't about batting capabilities. The Pakistanis batting and bowling both are good. They just dont know how to close a match. They dont know how to win.
Being an Indian, I loved how the Pakistanis played. Somebody needs to toughen them up to know how to win matches and not just end at playing good sessions.

 

[RajBan]

Any Pakistani who is ruing this thread as jinxed must not forget that this wasn't about batting capabilities. The Pakistanis batting and bowling both are good. They just dont know how to close a match. They dont know how to win.
Being an Indian, I loved how the Pakistanis played. Somebody needs to toughen them up to know how to win matches and not just end at playing good sessions.

This post is so ironic. Being a 90s kid , we always hoped Azhar and his team to aspire to be a tough bunch of players like Imran and his players. Specially how they used to fight back from not so convenient positions not just against India but WI(was still a great ODI team then), NZ, Eng, SA as well. How things keep on changing.

 

[Bhaijaan]

High quality defense and temperament at display bh Azhar Ali and Abi Ali.

 

[Mobashir]

High quality defense and temperament at display bh Azhar Ali and Abi Ali.

England's catching has also been poor so it's hard to judge.

 

[Ab Fan]

High quality defense and temperament at display bh Azhar Ali and Abi Ali.

Our openers need to learn, particularly Shaw as he is our future.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I have never seen two Ali's batting together before this. It was a special moment.

 

[Shazzam]

If India wants to learn from any batsmen than they gotta learn from Azhar Ali. If you be a Acha bacha you get captaincy even while averaging 11 overseas.

 

[Kroll]

Our openers need to learn, particularly Shaw as he is our future.

I do hope India recorded this, so they can learn from this masterclass of pure batsmanship.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Azhar and Abid gabe a great start.

It's shame things fell apart afterwards. It's been that sort of series so far for Pakistan

 

[tyron_woodley]

to me azhar and abid did a great job. abid in particular.

Look as a opener I don't care how much you score as long as you flatten the ball and see of the new ball. That's your job. The middle order can take over and attack the tired bowlers later. That's the secret. Top level attrition cricket.

Unlucky for Pakistani boys when the wickets fell right after tea. Any chance of getting 250?

 

[Ab Fan]

I do hope India recorded this, so they can learn from this masterclass of pure batsmanship.

I second this. At one point, Pakistan were 80-1 and it was a very good position to be at. They made a mistake that after settling in, they threw away. Shafiq and Fawad also disappointed.

But most batting teams would have struggled to get to 80-1 which is the point there. They gave themselves a chance to build on this and put atleast 250+ or even 300+.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Some terrific temperament shown by azhar and fawad. Considering natural ability and talent, Pakistan should have been shot out for 75 by now. Just goes to show far temperament, mental fortitude and gumption can take you even with minimal talent. Hope Indian batsmen are watching

 

[shamaan]

Some terrific temperament shown by azhar and fawad. Considering natural ability and talent, Pakistan should have been shot out for 75 by now. Just goes to show far temperament, mental fortitude and gumption can take you even with minimal talent. Hope Indian batsmen are watching

Fantastic innings by azhar that's mental strength and attitude

 

[Ab Fan]

Attritional cricket at its best. Two Ali's, terrific display of temperament and defense.

 

[Varun]

KL Rahul came out with a statement today stating that he was scared if his batting would be the same post lockdown.

I hope it isn't the same!

Now that's a guy who can pick up a trick or two from the likes of Azhar Ali and Abid Ali.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Who cares about test cricket in India anyway?

 

[Rana]

Where is [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Oh wait he will come out to feast when Pakistan is close to defeat somewhere

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

KL Rahul came out with a statement today stating that he was scared if his batting would be the same post lockdown.

I hope it isn't the same!

Now that's a guy who can pick up a trick or two from the likes of Azhar Ali and Abid Ali.

Lol shows how much confidence he has in himself.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hopefully it rains tomorrow Pakistan deserves a draw.

 

[Rana]

Hopefully it rains tomorrow Pakistan deserves a draw.

If it’s a draw, Pakistan outplayed and won this series for me. England fluked a win in the 1st Test.

 

[JaDed]

If it’s a draw, Pakistan outplayed and won this series for me. England fluked a win in the 1st Test.

Interesting perspective so if draw happens due to weather its not a fluke (after being FO) but actual winning was a fluke.

 

[Rana]

Interesting perspective so if draw happens due to weather its not a fluke (after being FO) but actual winning was a fluke.

Yeah. I know it’s hard to digest it as an Indian fan.

 

[JaDed]

Yeah. I know it’s hard to digest it as an Indian fan.

I'm sure non-Pakistani fans would find it hard to digest that logic.

 

[Rana]

I'm sure non-Pakistani fans would find it hard to digest that logic.

Match stops now at 100-2 on a flat deck. Draws because of rain on Day 5. How are England clear winners?

 

[Ab Fan]

Who cares about test cricket in India anyway?

Brother, don't forget we were ranked no.1 test team for around 3-4 years not long back and even now are comfortably ranked no.2.

You can't really say we don't care given that we are a top test team and if we really don't care then that tells us how good we are.

 

[aloo paratha]

I'm sure non-Pakistani fans would find it hard to digest that logic.

Even Pakistani fans with a brain will find it hard to digest.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan would have won the 2nd Test also

 

[Rana]

Indians finding it hard to digest Pakistanis know how to bat in England against a red ball.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Indians finding it hard to digest Pakistanis know how to bat in England against a red ball.

Please man, your embarassing us. Just stop.

 

[Rana]

Please man, your embarassing us. Just stop.

What is there to be ashamed about?

We failed once on a flat deck. Besides that the boys batted pretty decent considering these are not home conditions. All the batsmen besides Asad Shafiq have made reasonable contributions at times. How is this embarrassing?

 

[Rana]

Well batted today Pakistan. You have to stand up and fight and I think with whatever cricket we had, Pakistan stood up and fought hard! They were undone by two ‘umpires calls’ otherwise all the batsmen did their best.

 

[Uzi]

I would advise all of the Indian batsmen to watch clips of Asad Shafiq's batting and copy him as best they can.

It will work wonders.

 

[Rana]

If anything in this series, our bowlers have let us down. Batsmen have improved leaps and bounds since 2010 in English conditions. They are the best Asian touring team by a country mile!

 

[BreadPakoda]

If it’s a draw, Pakistan outplayed and won this series for me. England fluked a win in the 1st Test.

Even if Pakistan loses, they have outplayed and won the series 2-1.

England fluked a win in 1st and narrowly escaped a draw in 3rd test. Pakistan would have won the second test fair and square if not for the rain..

 

[Minnowbasher]

Oh yaar
Stop comparing us to India please.
Let us enjoy it when we perform ok - when you compare to the best team in the world it does 3 things:
- makes us look silly
- makes Pakistan seem much worse
- will come back bite us as when Pakistan start batting awfully again these mamoons will have a field day.

 

[Minnowbasher]

With all due respect
An awful thread whenever it was made.
Its like Indian bowling attack in 90s saying Pakistan can learn from them.

 

[Bhaijaan]

When i made this thread, this is exactly what I meant.

You can laugh, mock, ridicule or whatever but when it comes to grinding it out and surviving under pressure, Pakistani batting line up was ahead of us 20 years from now, 10 years from now.and rigjt.now also.

Indian batsmen are simply not capable of saving a test by playing like this.and I wish they did learn the art of saving test matches from Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

Where is [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Oh wait he will come out to feast when Pakistan is close to defeat somewhere

What do you mean where I am?

England lost 30+ overs today, will probably lose 50+ tomorrow. Do you think running away with a draw because of rain is worthy of celebrations?

Do you understand what the outcome of the last two days have been with full 180 overs of play?

So Pakistani fans are going to do bhangra over the temperament of Pakistani batsmen (same “temperament” that lost them the 1st Test) because of escaping due to rain, and then they will also celebrate the fantasy win in the second Test.

Then we wonder why we are laughing stocks in contemporary cricket and proudly carry the title of the most deluded fan base in the game.

 

[Mamoon]

If anything in this series, our bowlers have let us down. Batsmen have improved leaps and bounds since 2010 in English conditions. They are the best Asian touring team by a country mile!

I agree. We saw the temperament of the batsmen in the second innings of the first Test.

 

[Rana]

I agree. We saw the temperament of the batsmen in the second innings of the first Test.

Yeah just like we saw England fold in the 1st innings of the 1st Test.

 

[PakPremi]

Yeah just like we saw England fold in the 1st innings of the 1st Test.

And second test with rain voming to rescue. Even in this test top 4 were back in pavilion in no time, except crawley. So both set of teams had their collapses

 

[Rana]

And second test with rain voming to rescue. Even in this test top 4 were back in pavilion in no time, except crawley. So both set of teams had their collapses

But England’s number one sepoy fan will turn a blind eye over that. Just like he turns a blind eye over Archer being a complete nobody in this series but goes after Naseem for not taking 7 wickets per innings as he’s supposedly been hyped up to.

 

[Mamoon]

But England’s number one sepoy fan will turn a blind eye over that. Just like he turns a blind eye over Archer being a complete nobody in this series but goes after Naseem for not taking 7 wickets per innings as he’s supposedly been hyped up to.

The difference is that English batsmen are clutch. They are prone to collapsing, but they always find a way to deliver under the pump.

England have won several matches at home in the last few years from almost hopeless situations thanks to their batsmen rallying in the end.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Once again, I wish we had guys like Fawad and Rizwan to show the kind of temperament needed to score in SENA. Heck even Shaheen looked solid. Indian tail just gives up.

 

[Mahee]

This Indian batting line-up is good for nothing...learn from Pakistan batters and show some spine...we would have won the NZ series, had we batted like Pakistan did today

 

[tyron_woodley]

This Indian batting line-up is good for nothing...learn from Pakistan batters and show some spine...we would have won the NZ series, had we batted like Pakistan did today

Indian team definitely has a lot to learn from Fawad and Rizwan. They showed a lot of spine. They also need to learn how to avoid getting out when your team needs you in crunch situations as witness today between Pak and n.z

 

[Bhaijaan]

Where Pakistan made 270, India would be 200 AO. Pakistan may have their deficiencies but they have time and again exhibited better temperament.

However I must say that India is showing signs of improvement.

 

[Rajdeep]

India is playing wrong players. Everyone knew that Subhman Gill is your future but we tried every Ramu chacha as opener before giving him a chance.

And now everyone is pondering, who should open with Gill - Agarwal or Rohit. I mean anyone that understands cricket knows that KL Rahul is an avg 50 test opener and will eventually partner Gill for long time. But somehow we will waste time and delay the inevitable by playing Agarwal, Rohit, Shaw, falana dhimkana etc and then finally when realization becons will go to Rahul. We need to pick the correct player and back them.

 

[Ab Fan]

India is playing wrong players. Everyone knew that Subhman Gill is your future but we tried every Ramu chacha as opener before giving him a chance.

And now everyone is pondering, who should open with Gill - Agarwal or Rohit. I mean anyone that understands cricket knows that KL Rahul is an avg 50 test opener and will eventually partner Gill for long time. But somehow we will waste time and delay the inevitable by playing Agarwal, Rohit, Shaw, falana dhimkana etc and then finally when realization becons will go to Rahul. We need to pick the correct player and back them.

Gill
KL
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Pant(wkt)
Jadeja
Ashwin
Ishant
Shami
Bumrah

 

[shamaan]

Indian team definitely has a lot to learn from Fawad and Rizwan. They showed a lot of spine. They also need to learn how to avoid getting out when your team needs you in crunch situations as witness today between Pak and n.z

Only fawad could have saved that game no other batsman could have including babar

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Full strength Indian team's score in each inning in NZ

165
191
242
124

Pak team's score without Babar so far in NZ

239
271

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

^^ While I agree Pakistan team has shown massive grit, and India can definitely learn from them, those stats don't mean a lot yet.

Because so far it's still India lost, Pakistan lost.

We will reconsider if Pakistan wins the next game.

 

[Buffet]

Once again, I wish we had guys like Fawad and Rizwan to show the kind of temperament needed to score in SENA. Heck even Shaheen looked solid. Indian tail just gives up.

You can start counting balls in most cases.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Full strength Indian team's score in each inning in NZ

165
191
242
124

Pak team's score without Babar so far in NZ

239
271

That wasn't full strength team. Even then it was without any practice games which apparently is unnecessary when you face n.z according to our dumb captain.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Once again , Fawad and Azhar showed great temperament and concentration on a difficult wicket. Seems to me that the key to good temperament is to play batsmen who are 30+ . Misbah, YK in the past and now Azhar and Fawad.

Hope Pakistan continues to invest in 30 or even 35 year old batsmen. They are all fit anyway and with Misbah as inspiration, they can play till 43 or maybe even 45. Long may this continue!

 

[Bhaijaan]

Azhar, Faddu, Rizwan are very good temperament wise.

 

[Ab Fan]

A 50 run lead will be handy here.

 

[RajBan]

Once again , Fawad and Azhar showed great temperament and concentration on a difficult wicket. Seems to me that the key to good temperament is to play batsmen who are 30+ . Misbah, YK in the past and now Azhar and Fawad.

Hope Pakistan continues to invest in 30 or even 35 year old batsmen. They are all fit anyway and with Misbah as inspiration, they can play till 43 or maybe even 45. Long may this continue!

We probably would have won the first test against SA and won the series if shown better temperament.

 

[Itachi]

Great application by pak batsman against RSA here.

 

[gani999]

The Indian lads have successfully silenced everyone in this thread now

As for Pakistan's batsmen showing 'good temperament', they should do it now in this series against SA. They are playing at home and have no excuses.

 

[Ab Fan]

Everyone should learn from Pakistan batsman's temperament

Slowly and steadily, they have got 100 runs lead now.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

The Indian lads have successfully silenced everyone in this thread now

As for Pakistan's batsmen showing 'good temperament', they should do it now in this series against SA. They are playing at home and have no excuses.

This thread was started by an Indian and still 60% comments are Indians on this thread

 

[Bhaijaan]

This thread was started by an awesome Indian

Corrected bro.

 

[the Great Khan]

With rehane in charge India are set..without him and his calm style Im not sure the indian lads like to be in tough situations..rehane actually reminds me of the old classic indian player. yes I know, the new gen want the bombastic chest thumper who can kick the enemy in the face and then marry the prom queen. But I always feel in the test arena India do better with a rehane type character. Esp now. good man management, good temprament, keep your feet on the ground..work hard..no chest thumping bakwaas..it really helps youngsters and even oldies who dont like that kind of attitude..

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Corrected bro.

No disagreement there bhaijaan

 

[dravidthewall]

As I said in my earlier thread,Pakistan batting getting better in recent time.Only the concern is there bowling. Fahad shown good temperament.

 

[Mesozoic]

We posted 326 an innings after getting bowled out for our lowest ever total....

We drew a Test playing out 131 overs on day 5....

And won a Test chasing down 330 on day 5 in the very next game under unimaginable pressure....

All this against a top class attack in their backyard.

Time to lock this thread and put it somewhere in the archives. :

 

[HappyWarsFan]

We posted 326 an innings after getting bowled out for our lowest ever total....

We drew a Test playing out 131 overs on day 5....

And won a Test chasing down 330 on day 5 in the very next game under unimaginable pressure....

All this against a top class attack in their backyard.

Time to lock this thread and put it somewhere in the archives. :

Yeah. This thread was probably made when India batted very poorly vs SA and ENG in 2018.

I wonder how India always does so well on Aussie pitches and struggles on Eng, NZ, and SA pitches. Maybe because the Aus pitches are flatter, I don't know.

 

[chaltahai]

We posted 326 an innings after getting bowled out for our lowest ever total....

We drew a Test playing out 131 overs on day 5....

And won a Test chasing down 330 on day 5 in the very next game under unimaginable pressure....

All this against a top class attack in their backyard.

Time to lock this thread and put it somewhere in the archives. :

Good to leave the thread open, if for nothing, but to remember that both asia sides have re-learned how to play proper test cricket in the era of T-20s.

This is a strong, sensible, necessary performance by Pakistan, coming at a time when they were being pilloried for not having the patience to grind it out. Their current test standing is far below their potential, and I hope this match gives them wind beneath their wings

 

[Saurav]

Yeah. This thread was probably made when India batted very poorly vs SA and ENG in 2018.

I wonder how India always does so well on Aussie pitches and struggles on Eng, NZ, and SA pitches. Maybe because the Aus pitches are flatter, I don't know.

Swing

 

[Slim]

Swing

Correct - strangely Pakistani bats play swing better than Indians and Indians play bounce better than Pakistani.

 

[Mamoon]

This delusion that Pakistani batsmen play swing better than their Indian counterparts will also end soon, like other delusional dramas.

Pakistani batsmen do not play anything better than Indian batsmen. They are nowhere close in terms of talent, skill, temperament etc.

 

[Mamoon]

With rehane in charge India are set..without him and his calm style Im not sure the indian lads like to be in tough situations..rehane actually reminds me of the old classic indian player. yes I know, the new gen want the bombastic chest thumper who can kick the enemy in the face and then marry the prom queen. But I always feel in the test arena India do better with a rehane type character. Esp now. good man management, good temprament, keep your feet on the ground..work hard..no chest thumping bakwaas..it really helps youngsters and even oldies who dont like that kind of attitude..

I know Pakistani fans love mediocrity because that is what they are used to, but a timid character like Rahane does not have the personality to lead the team.

This guy can barely keep his own batting together and people expect him to lead the team. He is not half the batsman and half the leader Kohli is.

This nonsense that he is a better captain than Kohli is the latest coping mechanism of Pakistani fans to cope with the disappointment of India’s performance in Australia.

They pulled off something that our fans didn't anticipate in their dreams, so now they are left with nothing but to talk about Rahane’s captaincy.

What India did in Australia is Kohli’s legacy. India would have been a softer side today if Rahane was the captain over the last 6 years.

Kohli and Shastri is the perfect combo for this Indian side and Shastri was running the show when Kohli left.

Rahane is a timid, soft character who is more Pakistani than Indian. He is just a superior version of Shafiq.

 

[leatherface58]

I know Pakistani fans love mediocrity because that is what they are used to, but a timid character like Rahane does not have the personality to lead the team.

This guy can barely keep his own batting together and people expect him to lead the team. He is not half the batsman and half the leader Kohli is.

This nonsense that he is a better captain than Kohli is the latest coping mechanism of Pakistani fans to cope with the disappointment of India’s performance in Australia.

They pulled off something that our fans didn't anticipate in their dreams, so now they are left with nothing but to talk about Rahane’s captaincy.

What India did in Australia is Kohli’s legacy. India would have been a softer side today if Rahane was the captain over the last 6 years.

Kohli and Shastri is the perfect combo for this Indian side and Shastri was running the show when Kohli left.

Rahane is a timid, soft character who is more Pakistani than Indian. He is just a superior version of Shafiq.

Were you in the dressing room or in the team meetings that you are privy to these things? Rahane made mistakes as a captain (bowled Bumrah into the ground at SCG and underbowled Jadeja) and his batting was average aside from the MCG ton but I am interested to know how you are drawing these conclusions aside from pulling them out of your backside.