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Pakistan should have been at this stage today, but we have fallen into decline, and India has reached new heights.
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Considering how Pakistan was in 60s it should have been way ahead actually.Pakistan should have been at this stage today, but we have fallen into decline, and India has reached new heights.
Yep take my theory of US aid and support being a key factor in growth. Pakistan had plenty of it in the 60s and 70s. Used right, it could've been way ahead economically.Norway was needed .
Considering how Pakistan was in 60s it should have been way ahead actually.
India missed an opportunity too, during 1960s .. Shastriji was about to bring reforms as well.Yep take my theory of US aid and support being a key factor in growth. Pakistan had plenty of it in the 60s and 70s. Used right, it could've been way ahead economically.
I know folks on here will say it was in a sensitive position geographically. So was South Korea - neighboring two of the US's opponents in USSR & China plus right next to a deadly enemy in North Korea. Even so, look at where they reached.
Pakistan missed huge opportunities in those years due to a mix of terrible government (the military dictators) and misplaced priorities. Now the job is a lot harder because the boost that was available from aid(not loans) is gone. It's not impossible but a lot harder.
These deals should definitely get a lot easier now. Whether it's fully mature yet or not, the positive press around securing access to India's markets with lower import tariffs will make governments willing to give up much bigger concessions. In the short term, India will benefit much more from this deal than the EFTA countries since it's not like massive import floodgates will open right away. India's market is not big enough yet for a lot of the kind of stuff these guys export - wines, cheeses, Swiss watches etc. The benefits to them will only come over the longer term.India has signed a free-trade agreement (FTA) with a group of four European countries that are not members of the European Union.
The deal with the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) will see investments in India of $100bn (£77.8bn), the country's trade minister says.
The EFTA is made up of Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and Liechtenstein.
The announcement comes as the UK and India have been holding negotiations over an FTA for the last two years.
"This landmark pact underlines our commitment to boosting economic progress and creating opportunities for our youth," Prime Minister Narendra Modi said in a statement.
"The times ahead will bring more prosperity and mutual growth as we strengthen our bonds with EFTA nations," he added.
The agreement comes after almost 16 years of negotiations. Under this deal, India will lift most import tariffs on industrial goods from the four countries in return for investments over 15 years.
The investments are expected to be made across a range of industries, including pharmaceuticals, machinery and manufacturing.
"The agreement enhances market access and simplifies customs procedures making it easier for Indian and EFTA businesses to expand their operations in the respective markets," the EFTA said in a statement.
India and the four EFTA nations now need to ratify the agreement before it can take effect, with Switzerland planning to do so by next year.
India is due to hold general elections this year as Mr Modi seeks a record third term in office.
In the last two years, India has signed trade deals with Australia and the United Arab Emirates.
Last week, the UK's trade minister Kemi Badenoch suggested that it was possible that Britain could sign a free trade deal before India held its elections but said it would be "challenging".
"I suspect that that is not necessarily going to be the case because I don't want to use any election as a deadline," she added.
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India signs $100bn free trade deal with four European nations
The UK and India have been holding negotiations over a free trade agreement for the last two years.www.bbc.com
And yet India's forex reserves have grown from $292 billion (2013) to $642.5 billion (2024) under dictatorship?In a dictatorship, the economy tends to experience a downfall.
Can you explain where the downfall is? Please paste the article where our GDP numbers or foreign reserves are down?In a dictatorship, the economy tends to experience a downfall.
Can you explain where the downfall is? Please paste the article where our GDP numbers or foreign reserves are down?
lol a marginal low in exchange rate now is a downfall of an economy. In last two years INR has lots 12% against USD, similar to Yuan which has lost around 13%. Just about every currency has lost against USD as American economy has been strong for a while now. Just so you know Asian tiger Taka has lost 32% and has gone to IMF with a begging bowl. BD is also struggling with Forex reserves and limiting imports while India has no such issues. If this is Indian downfall what about south Asian tiger economy? probably more of the same in BD, laundering of inflation as growth.Did you check post #168? What about #166?
Maybe you should read them again if you think those are economic issues, please tell me how do they affect GDP and foreign reserves(ability to repay loan)?Did you check post #168? What about #166?
In a dictatorship, the economy tends to experience a downfall.
I can see a post tomorrow if India loses 1 Billion in reserves and no post next time when it adds 10 billion lol
India has issues but none coz Modi’s economic policy, this is the richest India has been in its history.
India’s issues are more with educated unemployment..
INR: Indian Rupee falls to record lowIn a dictatorship, the economy tends to experience a downfall.
That is true and that is a genuine critique due to what Modi promised, I remember stupid posts like bringing back black money would make the rupee dollar to 15-30 lol.Maybe but Modi himself was railing against the Congress for the devaluing rupee back in 2013. And back then, it was around 63.
That is political rhetoric. How can you INR gain when India’s historical inflation is 6 and US is around 2.5? Everyone knows this. More importantly US has been having a very strong economic recovery than just about anyone else in the world. Compared to its neighbors and other peers Indian INR devaluation is pretty average and even less. Yuan had similar devaluation and it is heavily manipulated, Asian tiger Taka has had more than twice as much as INR did. Moreover in any difficult economic conditions money will always flo towards USD. It is just an economic reality. As far as currencies are considered USD will remain king.Maybe but Modi himself was railing against the Congress for the devaluing rupee back in 2013. And back then, it was around 63.
India clearly is the new China. I work for an International Asset Management Fund here in New York and all I am hearing these days is ‘India this & India that’. Nobody is talking about China anymore. With Trump slated to come in, market is anticipating even further deterioration in US-China relationship which will affect investing as well.
An interesting note - in my 15 years of international investments I have not come across a single US company even remotely interested in investing in Pakistan. As a CEO of a company who previously had exposure put it, anything you invest in a ‘Stan’ country goes down the drain!
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Stellar returns: Blackstone to invest $17 billion more in India
Blackstone plans $17 billion private equity investments in India, focusing on growth equity, infrastructure, and financial services.www.thehindubusinessline.com
Stellar returns: Blackstone to invest $17 billion more in India
“India has really been a leader for us in terms of performance. In fact, in private equity, our highest return geographically has been in India. We’ve done incredibly well in real estate also,” Gray said. It will be roughly investing $2 billion in India annually.
“Now what I do think is changing is, India is clearly becoming a place more investors are enthusiastic about. India has become a place where more and more global investors are focussed. And it’s a whole combination of factors. But it feels to me like the momentum is building and not slowing,” Gray said, expressing the wish they had done more in India.
Yes and no. While India is definitely the flavour of the month (or even the year) for investments, too many of them are focused on the local market and not enough in the labour intensive manufacturing export industries that will accelerate employment and really kickstart the virtuous cycle. Stuff like Blackstone putting a couple of Billion every year into Venture Capital or Real Estate isn't going to cut it.
The opportunity is really juicy currently with heaps of companies looking to decouple or at the least diversify their supply chains but we're competing with the likes of Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines etc. for these investments.
It’s the govt or the local industries job to invest in labor intensive manufacturing, not the private investors who tend to look for a quick return on investment.Yes and no. While India is definitely the flavour of the month (or even the year) for investments, too many of them are focused on the local market and not enough in the labour intensive manufacturing export industries that will accelerate employment and really kickstart the virtuous cycle. Stuff like Blackstone putting a couple of Billion every year into Venture Capital or Real Estate isn't going to cut it.
The opportunity is really juicy currently with heaps of companies looking to decouple or at the least diversify their supply chains but we're competing with the likes of Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines etc. for these investments.
While countries around are running to IMF to get relief, India's forex reserves keeps growing
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India's foreign exchange reserves (INFXR=ECI), opens new tab rose for a sixth straight week to hit a lifetime high of $645.58 billion as of Mar. 29, data from the central bank showed on Friday.
The reserves rose by $2.95 billion in the reporting week, after having risen by a total of $26.5 billion in the previous five weeks.
The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) intervenes in the foreign exchange market to curb excess volatility in the rupee.
Changes in foreign currency assets are caused by the RBI's intervention as well as the appreciation or depreciation of foreign assets held in the reserves.
Foreign exchange reserves also include India's reserve tranche position in the International Monetary Fund.
Despite India's strong growth and inflows into equity and debt markets, the central bank has been absorbing inflows to build reserves.
"It is our prime focus to build a strong umbrella, a strong buffer in the form of a substantial quantum of forex reserves which will help us when the cycle turns or when it rains heavily," RBI Governor Shaktikanta Das said on Friday.
In the week that the foreign exchange data pertains, the rupee had hit a record low of 83.45 against the dollar, but clocked minor weekly gains.
The domestic currency settled at 83.2950 on Friday, up 0.1% this week.
FOREIGN EXCHANGE RESERVES (in million U.S. dollars)
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March 29 March 22
2024 2024
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Foreign currency assets 570,618 568,264
Gold 52,160 51,487
SDRs 18,145 18,219
Reserve Tranche Position 4,660 4,662
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Total 645,583 642,631
https://www.reuters.com/world/india...erves-rise-sixth-week-record-high-2024-04-05/
There were posters from bangladesh of all the countries doing bangra over a slight dip in INR, while ignoring the fact that their asian tiger economy was looking for cheese from IMF![]()
Yes and no. While India is definitely the flavour of the month (or even the year) for investments, too many of them are focused on the local market and not enough in the labour intensive manufacturing export industries that will accelerate employment and really kickstart the virtuous cycle. Stuff like Blackstone putting a couple of Billion every year into Venture Capital or Real Estate isn't going to cut it.
The opportunity is really juicy currently with heaps of companies looking to decouple or at the least diversify their supply chains but we're competing with the likes of Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines etc. for these investments.
Can India become rich before its population grows old?
For the past two years, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has pledged to transform India into a high-income, developed country by 2047. India is also on course to become the world's third largest economy in six years, according to several projections.
High-income economies have a per capita Gross National Income - total amount of money earned by a nation's people and businesses - of $13,846 (£10,870) or more, according to the World Bank.
With a per capita income of around $2,400 (£1,885), India is among the lower middle-income countries. For some years now, many economists have been warning that India’s economy could be headed for a “middle income trap”.
This happens when a country stops being able to achieve rapid growth easily and compete with advanced economies.
Economist Ardo Hannson defines it as a situation when countries "seem to get stuck in a trap where your costs are escalating and you lose competitiveness".
A new World Bank report holds out similar fears. At the current growth rate, India will need 75 years to reach a quarter of America's per capita income, World Development Report 2024 says. It also says more than 100 countries – including India, China, Brazil and South Africa - face “serious obstacles” that could hinder their efforts to become high-income countries in the next few decades.
Researchers looked at the numbers from 108 middle-income countries responsible for 40% of the world’s total economic output – and nearly two-thirds of global carbon emissions. They are home to three-quarters of the global population and nearly two-thirds of those in extreme poverty.
They say these countries face greater challenges in escaping the middle-income trap. These include rapidly ageing populations, rising protectionism in advanced economies and the urgent need for an accelerated energy transition.
“The battle for global economic prosperity will be largely won or lost in middle-income countries,” says Indermit Gill, chief economist of the World Bank and one of the study's authors.
“But too many of these countries rely on outmoded strategies to become advanced economies. They depend just on investment for too long - or they switch prematurely to innovation.”
For example, the researchers say, the pace at which businesses can grow is often slow in middle-income countries.
In India, Mexico, and Peru, firms that operate for 40 years typically double in size, while in the US, they grow seven-fold in the same period. This indicates that firms in middle-income countries struggle to grow significantly, but still survive for decades. Consequently, nearly 90% of firms in India, Peru, and Mexico have fewer than five employees, with only a small fraction having 10 or more, the report says.
Mr Gill and his fellow researchers advocate a new approach: these countries need to focus on more investment, infuse new technologies from around the world and grow innovation.
South Korea exemplifies this strategy, the report says.
In 1960, its per capita income was $1,200 - it rose to $33,000 by 2023.
Initially, South Korea boosted public and private investment. In the 1970s, it shifted to an industrial policy that encouraged domestic firms to adopt foreign technology and advanced production methods.
Companies like Samsung responded. Initially a noodle-maker, Samsung began producing TV sets for domestic and regional markets by licensing technologies from Japanese firms.
This success created a demand for skilled professionals. The government increased budgets and set targets for public universities to develop these skills. Today, Samsung is a global innovator and one of the world's largest smartphone manufacturers, the report says.
Countries like Poland and Chile followed similar paths, the report says. Poland boosted productivity by adopting Western European technologies. Chile encouraged technology transfer to drive local innovation, famously adapting Norwegian salmon farming techniques to become a top salmon exporter.
History provides enough clues about an impending middle-income trap. Researchers reveal that as countries grow wealthier, they often hit a "trap" at around 10% of US GDP per capita ($8,000 today), placing them in the middle-income range. That’s roughly in the middle of what the bank classifies as “middle-income” countries.
Since 1990, only 34 middle-income countries have transitioned to high-income status, with over a third benefiting from integration into European Union (EU) or newfound oil reserves.
Economists Raghuram Rajan and Rohit Lamba separately estimate that even at a very respectable per capita income growth rate of 4%, India’s per capita income will reach $10,000 only by 2060, which is lower than China’s level today.
“We must do better. Over the next decade, we will see a possible population dividend, that is rise in the share of our population of working age, before we, like other countries, succumb to ageing,” they write in their new book Breaking The Mould: Reimagining India's Economic Future.
“If we can generate good employment for all our youth, we will accelerate growth and have a shot at becoming comfortably upper middle class before our population starts ageing.”
In other words, the economists wonder, “Can India become rich before it becomes old?"
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Can India become rich before its population grows old?
At current rates, India needs 75 years to reach a quarter of US's per capita income, a report says.www.bbc.com