"India-Pakistan games in FTP are a $100-150m issue" : Najam Sethi

[cricketjoshila]

I agree on SA, but the ECB have been boycotting Zim for a while. They have not paid any compensation for it either.

Losing points and $$ has to be enforced by the enforcing authority, the ICC. But you will find Mr. Manohar hiding under his desk. Will the back boneless ICC do it?

Icc is only as strong as its members.Will the other members boycott bcci for pcb?What will icc do if bcci just pulls out of the test and odi league?Was icc a signatory to this so called MoU?

 

[Third_Umpire]

There is no rule in ICC that says India must play Pakistan in a bilateral series and such a rule wont be brought in because PCB needs to get millions of dollars from Indian market.

England and Australia dont tour Zimbabwe.

Lets assume ICC says India must play Pakistan to be in the ICC ODI and Test league.India will simply withdraw from the league and play all its bilateral series outside the league.Will ICC find sponsors for such a league when its biggest market just walked away?Will other countrys hurt themselves so that PCB can get Biryani Money?

Pcb refused to sent team for the 1990 Asia cup and then refused to tour India in 1993 for political reasons.Bcci didnt start begging.

Either ICC is a sovereign governing body of international cricket, or it's a puppet organization that works at the behest of it's wealthiest members. Today the latter is true, and you seem to be totally fine with this thuggish operating model for an international sport, and in fact seem to take pride that one member controls the majority of the financial stake in the sport and can wield a large stick. While I think it's admirable that India has contributed heavily in raising the stature of the sport globally, I don't think it gives them the right to operate outside the process. This kind of regressive third world mentality is surprising to read on a forum that I think attracts somewhat educated, global citizens.

If ICC grows a backbone (long shot) and pencils in India vs. Pakistan contests, why would India withdraw altogether? Why not maintain the principled stand they chose and just bear the cost of that decision?

BTW: money can either be for Biryani money for PCB or Idli/Dosa/Sambar money for BCCI. It's clear that everyone wants money.

 

[DRsohail]

Much has been said about this topic, though it should have been resolved in a much simpler manner. It is shameless to see India's continued evasion to a resolution, and ICC's reluctance to be the enforcer.

Bottom line: Per a fair FTP plan, each country should play each other at some minimum frequency home and away. In a league of 10 teams (8 meaningful ones), you can't have lopsided schedules and especially ones where two teams don't play each other at all. Therefore, series between Pakistan and India needs to be inked as part of FTP.

Not playing Pakistan is India's problem. Whether's its because they don't want to, or want to but can't because their government doesn't allow, is nobody else's problem. Why should anyone else care what GOI thinks and wants? If the BCCI is unable to get them onboard, and therefore unable to play, then forfeiture of the series and associated points along with any fees/media rights is the only reasonable outcome. Why should anyone other than India have to pay for their internal dysfunction?

If you want to mix sports and politics, go right ahead but be honorable in your stance and be accountable for your choices.

i agree with u in all points u mentioned and that need a strong ICC which is not present.Everyone knows that it is simple and need no discussion provided ICC has some balls.if not then PAk has to agree what they say,and these media statements carry no value ,infct this NS is just defending and protecting himself from other things which need to be done regarding pakistan cricket.

 

[DRsohail]

Either ICC is a sovereign governing body of international cricket, or it's a puppet organization that works at the behest of it's wealthiest members. Today the latter is true, and you seem to be totally fine with this thuggish operating model for an international sport, and in fact seem to take pride that one member controls the majority of the financial stake in the sport and can wield a large stick. While I think it's admirable that India has contributed heavily in raising the stature of the sport globally, I don't think it gives them the right to operate outside the process. This kind of regressive third world mentality is surprising to read on a forum that I think attracts somewhat educated, global citizens.

If ICC grows a backbone (long shot) and pencils in India vs. Pakistan contests, why would India withdraw altogether? Why not maintain the principled stand they chose and just bear the cost of that decision?

BTW: money can either be for Biryani money for PCB or Idli/Dosa/Sambar money for BCCI. It's clear that everyone wants money.

Let them satisfy their egos but right is right and wrong is wrong and cant be proved with such lengthy discussions.The more u stretch it the more u go wrong.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Either ICC is a sovereign governing body of international cricket, or it's a puppet organization that works at the behest of it's wealthiest members. Today the latter is true, and you seem to be totally fine with this thuggish operating model for an international sport, and in fact seem to take pride that one member controls the majority of the financial stake in the sport and can wield a large stick. While I think it's admirable that India has contributed heavily in raising the stature of the sport globally, I don't think it gives them the right to operate outside the process. This kind of regressive third world mentality is surprising to read on a forum that I think attracts somewhat educated, global citizens.

If ICC grows a backbone (long shot) and pencils in India vs. Pakistan contests, why would India withdraw altogether? Why not maintain the principled stand they chose and just bear the cost of that decision?

BTW: money can either be for Biryani money for PCB or Idli/Dosa/Sambar money for BCCI. It's clear that everyone wants money.

Icc isnt a sovereign organisation, its a consortium of its members.Its only as strong as its members.If one member brings majority of its resources than it will call the shots and thats only natural.Icc rules allow the members to decide bilateral tours.

No sporting body can force a member to play bilateral matches outside its tournsments.FIFA cannot ask SoKo to visit NoKo to play bilateral friendlies.Though Fifa can arrange a match between NoKo and SoKo in a fifa WC or qualifier.IOC couldnot force all its members to participate in moscow and LA plympics.

Icc also arranges indo pak matches in icc world cups, WT20s and CT and India plays.Outside of that ICC cannot ask any country to visit or play another country.FTP arrangements are solely bilateral.

There is nothing regressive or third world about any country maintaining its independent policy.Its interesting how you totally ignored the fact that PCB too boycotted Bcci in past.



How can ICC decide whether India plays a series vs Pakistan or not outside ICC events?When india decides not to participate in icc leagues then there is no question of forfeiting points etc.Bcci isnt responsible for whatever commitments pcb made to its broadcasters or sponsors.

Bcci doesnot go begging to xyz board or icc for its idly dosa or sambhar money.BCCI's IPL tv rights alone are worth more than what ICC makes.So if pcb wants money for biryani it must generate it by itself and not go to bcci or icc.

 

[Tusker]

Either ICC is a sovereign governing body of international cricket, or it's a puppet organization that works at the behest of it's wealthiest members. Today the latter is true, and you seem to be totally fine with this thuggish operating model for an international sport, and in fact seem to take pride that one member controls the majority of the financial stake in the sport and can wield a large stick. While I think it's admirable that India has contributed heavily in raising the stature of the sport globally, I don't think it gives them the right to operate outside the process. This kind of regressive third world mentality is surprising to read on a forum that I think attracts somewhat educated, global citizens.

If ICC grows a backbone (long shot) and pencils in India vs. Pakistan contests, why would India withdraw altogether? Why not maintain the principled stand they chose and just bear the cost of that decision?

BTW: money can either be for Biryani money for PCB or Idli/Dosa/Sambar money for BCCI. It's clear that everyone wants money.

What is your take on Eng boycotting Zim ? Third world ehh ?

 

[bujhee kom]

Pakistan needs to move on.

 

[UN talkz]

Hopeful for Pak-India bilateral cricket’s revival: Indian HC

LAHORE: The Indian High Commissioner to Pakistan Ajay Bisaria on Friday said that he is hopeful for the revival of bilateral cricket between Pakistan and India.

“People from both countries want bilateral cricket to revive. People want to see India vs Pakistan, and I am hopeful of a contest on the cricket pitch as soon as tensions ease,” Ajay Bisaria said while talking to the media in Lahore.

During an earlier address at Lahore’s Chamber of Commerce, Bisaria said that the recent incident of harassment faced by Pakistan’s envoy and his family in India is under discussion on diplomatic grounds.

He added that the media in both the countries needs to play a peacemaker’s role and refrain from reporting false information as ‘factually incorrect information escalates tensions’.

The dignitary was welcomed upon his arrival at the COC by President Tahir Javed Malik, while traders present on occasion also put forward their reservations before Bisaria, including visa issues.

To this end, Ajay Bisaria assured that he would do his best to resolve the matter and allow the maximum number of traders the visa.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/221658/hopeful-for-pak-india-bilateral-crickets-revival-indian-hc/

 

[www787]

India should play and like rest of the world we will pretend India is the best nation in the world to keep them happy for their money.

 

[backfootpunch]

Although it is no secret the BCCI has an anti-Pakistan agenda about them there is nothing the ICC can do because they will just use the excuse: "our govt doesn't allow us to play Pakistan".

But if there was an official boycott of sporting ties from India's govt they wouldn't be playing Pak in ICC tournaments either - note the difference between them and England's govt stance during the 2003 WC when Mugabe was in power. They boycotted them around that time for political reasons in all matches regardless of the occasion.

BCCI has the right to choose whether they wish to participate in matches against Pakistan but from a moral and ethical point of view they either don't play Pakistan at all (including WCs) or they follow as per accordance to FTP, rather than agreeing to play when it suits them.

The only reason why BCCI hasn't taken the hardline of boycotting Pakistan games completely is because they would lose hosting rights and therefore lose out on big financial gains.

So why doesn't India want to play Pakistan in a bilateral series? If they could reinforce their financial gains - it is simply because they don't want Pakistan to make money.

PCB has no right to ask for money as a result of these circumstances with BCCI and has no case against them because there has been no legally binding contract with them in respect of playing bilateral matches just a MoU where a list of fixtures were revealed ("subject to govt clearance" from BCCI). Where these matches have not taken place it is only right for the ICC to dock India ranking points from each format and treat it is a forfeit and transfer these points to Pakistan.

 

[rhony]

I think PCB antogonized India during big 3 saga. BCCI is slowly but surely getting self reliant with IPL. They are at a stage where they can pick and choose which teams to play. IIRC they even cut down the number of tests they play in SA just because they didn't like Haroon not too long ago. They care about the AUS and Eng series and that's about it.

The bigger worry is BCCI influencing Indian companies regarding sponsorships. PCB's posture of threatening BCCI with lawsuits will not work. BCCI can always hide behind their govt. Sethi, however good he was, missed this trick.

 

[Savak]

PCB and Najam Sethi must take the fight to the BCCI in the ICC.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Let other party come to form GOI and then try...wont happen till this gov't stays

 

[IndianFan2018]

India should play and like rest of the world we will pretend India is the best nation in the world to keep them happy for their money.

Hmmm... rest of the world believe on own terms what they want to, no one can force independent states/countries thinking.

Wake up and smell the coffee bro ...

 

[IndianFan2018]

I think PCB antogonized India during big 3 saga. BCCI is slowly but surely getting self reliant with IPL. They are at a stage where they can pick and choose which teams to play. IIRC they even cut down the number of tests they play in SA just because they didn't like Haroon not too long ago. They care about the AUS and Eng series and that's about it.

The bigger worry is BCCI influencing Indian companies regarding sponsorships. PCB's posture of threatening BCCI with lawsuits will not work. BCCI can always hide behind their govt. Sethi, however good he was, missed this trick.

BCCI holds all the cards, PCB ICC can make empty noises (as good as barking at Elephant) ...

Nothing will come out of this until GoI changes it's stance towards Pak bilateral series.

Better PCB should spend it's effort and money on own things and look to become self reliant, PSL is a good start ...good luck

 

[USofA]

PCB and Najam Sethi must take the fight to the BCCI in the ICC.

They already have. But whether or not any progress has been made, is unknown.

 

[Napa]

Privilege? Pakistan has a better head to head record and the last time both team mets, India recorded the biggest lose in a final in cricketing history.

PCB's job as administrators is to bring in as much money as possible. Pakistan as a cricketing nation is used to not playing India and it will make no difference to it continuing to be a cricketing superpower. Most Pakistan fans find it funny India is scared to play us.

Head to head is history, and has lots of confounding variables, such as India after the 1965 war not playing Pakistan for over a decade part of which it was ranked #1. The current reality is that India is ranked #1 in both the worthwhile cricketing formats so certainly it doesn't need to prove anything.

Calling friend [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION]

 

[cricketjoshila]

Let other party come to form GOI and then try...wont happen till this gov't stays

No govt is going to cosy upto Pakistan. No one wants to lose power.

 

[Bhaijaan]

PCB must put BCCI in its place through a billion dollar lawsuit.

India will also be relieved as BCCI needs restructuring and a new mindset which is progressive and not exploitive in nature.

 

[Mirpur express]

I was wondering the same what 'Right' he meant by. Playing India is privilege and not right. If it was right then Im sure they would've thought about it in 90s when they were boycotting India. Now tables have turned and all of a sudden PCB thinks about their so called 'Rights'.
This dirty game of Boycotting a nation was started by PCB in 90s and now BCCI are just repaying them. #Karma

Well going by this logic, shouldnt BCB also have rights that they are invited to UAE and not blackmail them playing in Pakistan or this so called rights is only reserved for PCB?

Privilege! *
When BCCI don’t honour the ftp they signed then its pcb’s RIGHT to claim COMPANSATION.. we r no1 t20 & just gave india a good hiding CT17 final & psl I growing by the day. We don’t need to play india , Afghans can fill that void

 

[cricketjoshila]

Privilege! *
When BCCI don’t honour the ftp they signed then its pcb’s RIGHT to claim COMPANSATION.. we r no1 t20 & just gave india a good hiding CT17 final & psl I growing by the day. We don’t need to play india , Afghans can fill that void

What ftp india signed? Lol.
Bilateral tours are decided between boards and not icc.

Play Afghans. Why is pcb asking bcci for a series and claiming loss of 70mn?

 

[Rishta Aunty]

I don't want Pakistan to play India and frankly cannot get those Pakistanis who say the latter claiming 'sport over politics' and stuff like that. Sport and politics have constantly been interlinked and I don't think that the current environment is conducive to playing cricket between the countries.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Privilege! ����*
When BCCI don’t honour the ftp they signed then its pcb’s RIGHT to claim COMPANSATION.. we r no1 t20 & just gave india a good hiding CT17 final & psl I growing by the day. We don’t need to play india , Afghans can fill that void

Do you really follow latest happenings in cricketing ties... Afghan cricket board is in loggerheads with PCB

 

[Send1983]

Privilege! ����*
When BCCI don’t honour the ftp they signed then its pcb’s RIGHT to claim COMPANSATION.. we r no1 t20 & just gave india a good hiding CT17 final & psl I growing by the day. We don’t need to play india , Afghans can fill that void

First let your team get in to top 5 in ODI and Test, then dream about playing against no 1 team like India.