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India rejects China's offer, says talks with Pakistan only possible in bilateral framework

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India's Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) spokesperson Gopal Baglay has made it clear that India is, "ready to have a dialogue with Pakistan ... but in a bilateral framework," ANI reported on Thursday.

Baglay made the remarks in response to China's offer to "play a constructive role to improve the relations between Pakistan and India," which came on Wednesday.

According to ANI, Baglay said, "Our stand is absolutely clear as far as I recall on the remarks, which motioned that Kashmir issue is central to peace and stability. All of us know that the heart of the matter is cross-border terrorism perpetrated on India, including Jammu and Kashmir."

"We are ready to have a dialogue with Pakistan, among other issues, but in a bilateral framework. So the [India's] position of addressing all issues with Pakistan, including the Jammu and Kashmir issue, in a bilateral framework has not changed."



Earlier, on Wednesday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang had said, "Both Pakistan and India are important countries in South Asia. The conflict between the two countries along the line of control in Kashmir is neither conducive to their own stability and development nor regional peace and tranquillity."

"China hopes relevant parties to do more to help with regional peace and stability and refrain from escalating the tension. China stands ready to play a constructive role to improve the relations between Pakistan and India," Shuang had said in a press conference.

The remarks from both sides come amid rising border tension between India and China. Indian and Chinese troops are reportedly facing off on a section of land high in the Himalayas near what is known as the tri-junction, where Tibet, India, and Bhutan meet.

China has alleged that the Indian troops are on its soil, but both Bhutan and India say the area in question is Bhutanese territory.

India, which has a military presence in Bhutan, says its troops approached a Chinese army unit that entered the Doklam area of the Himalayan nation on June 16 and tried to build a road.

On June 27, China had accused Indian border guards of crossing into its territory from the state of Sikkim on India's northeastern border with Tibet, complicating an already difficult relationship.

At the time Shuang had said that Indian guards “obstructed normal activities” by Chinese forces on the border and called on India to withdraw immediately.
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Why would India want any third party involved? Wouldn't want all the genocide and brutality to be exposed to the world.
 
Why would India want any third party involved? Wouldn't want all the genocide and brutality to be exposed to the world.

Wait brother for another 5 -10 years if pakistan will become chineese lobby and then you will know how china treats religion if you dnt know yet what is called as brutality
 
Wait brother for another 5 -10 years if pakistan will become chineese lobby and then you will know how china treats religion if you dnt know yet what is called as brutality

Muslims in China are not even allowed to fast during Ramzan, so you don't need 5-10 years to figure that out.
 
Muslims in China are not even allowed to fast during Ramzan, so you don't need 5-10 years to figure that out.

Han Chinese Muslims actually get to fully participate in religious life.

It's like me saying all Indian muslims are tied to the front of jeeps and paraded like animals by the Indian Government
 
Wait brother for another 5 -10 years if pakistan will become chineese lobby and then you will know how china treats religion if you dnt know yet what is called as brutality

If that's true then it makes you wonder why India has made so little progress with bilateral talks with Pakistan till now. Terrible PR for a rising superpower economy.
 
If that's true then it makes you wonder why India has made so little progress with bilateral talks with Pakistan till now. Terrible PR for a rising superpower economy.

It's because unless the key decision makers are in the military, they don't call the shots. Explained wonderfully in this video:

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Why would India want any third party involved? Wouldn't want all the genocide and brutality to be exposed to the world.

If "exposing genocide and brutality" is the purpose of these talks, would you really want China at the table for these talks? The same Chinese of the Tiananmen Square fame, of the Bamboo Gulag, and the ones who let a Nobel Laureate die in jail due to cancer instead of getting him treatment?

If you want to expose evil, you don't invite the devil himself to lunch. Think about it.
 
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If "exposing genocide and brutality" is the purpose of these talks, would you really want China at the table for these talks? The same Chinese of the Tiananmen Square fame, of the Bamboo Gulag, and the ones who let a Nobel Laureate die in jail due to cancer instead of getting him treatment?

If you want to expose evil, you don't invite the devil himself to lunch. Think about it.

They don't pretend to be a paragon of freedom and democratic processes.
 
The world hasn't seen the things your army does to the people of Kashmir. You're lucky they haven't.

Almost all leading newspapers and agencies in india and abroad have reporters working in kashmir, not to mention their local media which spreads news through social media and news portals.
 
Almost all leading newspapers and agencies in india and abroad have reporters working in kashmir, not to mention their local media which spreads news through social media and news portals.

Your government has banned social media, foreign humanitarian aid and also media. They barely get a look at the real brutality.
 
Your government has banned social media, foreign humanitarian aid and also media. They barely get a look at the real brutality.

You guys proudly post video images of Kashmiris waving Pak flag and celebrating when Pak wins a cricket match. Where do these pictures / videos come from if social media is banned in J&K or if media is not able to do reporting? Thin air?
 
I got an idea, India should offer to mediate talks between China & Taiwan and also the Dalai Lama & Tibet. Its only fair since China has been so helpful, we should return the favor...
 
I got an idea, India should offer to mediate talks between China & Taiwan and also the Dalai Lama & Tibet. Its only fair since China has been so helpful, we should return the favor...

China is trying very hard to be regarded as a super power.Problem is almost no G20 nation is taking it seriously.
 
China is trying very hard to be regarded as a super power.Problem is almost no G20 nation is taking it seriously.

Problem is no one likes China, Pakistan is unfortunately in a position were they have no choice, they sold their soul to China due to India and will soon bear the brunt of the Chinese...
 
Problem is no one likes China, Pakistan is unfortunately in a position were they have no choice, they sold their soul to China due to India and will soon bear the brunt of the Chinese...

Keep hearing this "bear the brunt of Chinese", mostly from Indians, but no Indian has able to explain what is the brunt of Chinese?

Their economy is way better than India. They are investing in many more country than India, their infrastructure is better than India. Almost everything that Indian use in their household are made in India.

So, can indian care to explain ?
 
Keep hearing this "bear the brunt of Chinese", mostly from Indians, but no Indian has able to explain what is the brunt of Chinese?

Their economy is way better than India. They are investing in many more country than India, their infrastructure is better than India. Almost everything that Indian use in their household are made in India.

So, can indian care to explain ?

Indians are just frightened of the Chinese. Do you really think that Indians would think want the betterment of Pakistan? Internally, Indians hate the fact that the Chinese and Pakistanis are close.
 
Need a fresh generation for peace maybe a couple more generations.. gonna take atleast 50-70 years for normal relations..
 
Doesn't really matter what India says or thinks. China has openly said that they can and will enter IoK if Pak asks them to.
 
Doesn't really matter what India says or thinks. China has openly said that they can and will enter IoK if Pak asks them to.

Yeah, sure. So what's Pak waiting for? It's been 70 years, which means 3-4 generations of "innocent" Kashmiris have "suffered" under the so called Indian occupation. How long will Pak make these poor people "suffer" before it asks China to enter Indian Kashmir?
 
Doesn't really matter what India says or thinks. China has openly said that they can and will enter IoK if Pak asks them to.

They were talking about entering PoK. Entering J and K will be declaration of war, China hasnt gone to war with India even for the territories it claims from India and it will go to war for Pakistan. :))
 
They were talking about entering PoK. Entering J and K will be declaration of war, China hasnt gone to war with India even for the territories it claims from India and it will go to war for Pakistan. :))

Don't be daft. They clearly said that if Pak wants they can enter IoK. China will go to war first and foremost if it suits them just like any other country. The stand off is still on.
 
Yeah, sure. So what's Pak waiting for? It's been 70 years, which means 3-4 generations of "innocent" Kashmiris have "suffered" under the so called Indian occupation. How long will Pak make these poor people "suffer" before it asks China to enter Indian Kashmir?

War is like a game where you have to strike at the right time. It is like a chess board when the right move has to be made at the right time. Let me tell you that historically 70 years is nothing. India was under the Brits and Moghuls for centuries! Currently, with the stand off India would be wary of Pak and China ganging up against them. Strike when they least expect it, like Kargil.
 
Don't be daft. They clearly said that if Pak wants they can enter IoK. China will go to war first and foremost if it suits them just like any other country. The stand off is still on.

There is a stand off because no one wants war.LOL. And China will fight for Pakistan. Please show me where Chinese have made a official statement they will enter J and K.Dont post some statements by some "Chinese Experts".Post official Chinese govt statement.
 
Strike when they least expect it, like Kargil.

Yes, sure. And we all know how Kargil turned out.

China didn't come to Pak's rescue when Pak was about to be dismembered in 1971. At that time India China hardly had any relation especially in the aftermath of 1962 war.

Since then Indo-China trade has grown to $60B. And will likely cross $100B in the coming years.

If you think China is going to put all this at risk to "assist Pakistan", you're going to wait a really long time.

The Chinese, quite rightly, only think about what's good for them.
 
When you can rule whole India, who wants to trade! Time has changed. Balance has changed. All Russian allies will be slaved.
 
It's because unless the key decision makers are in the military, they don't call the shots. Explained wonderfully in this video:

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This gem has been missed in the midst of some of the other jingoistic nonsense that ensues in these threads by some posters.

He makes some very appropriate points about Pakistan's military, there are many Pakistanis who say the same. In fact, Sharif supporters are mentioning this very fact even though it's not relevant to their situation.

All the rest of his mention about terrorism is an appropriate way to divert Indian responsibility in worsening Kashmir's problems. What I've come to know over the past few weeks is that the Indian media repeats certain lies until they're made to sound like the truth. Same with the western narrative of terrorism. People like Mr Tharoor then go on to use these as statistics to absolve themselves of any moral obligation to do right by their opponents and to gain sympathy and support for their agenda.

Truth is that 'terrorism' in Kashmir only began after the 80s when India sent in troops to ensure 'free and fair elections'. The Indian army never left. To absolve India of Kashmir atrocities in light of this fact is nothing but denial.

Still, I believe it's a great message of hope that like-minded individuals In Pakistan can sit and negotiate around to achieve peace
 
There is a stand off because no one wants war.LOL. And China will fight for Pakistan. Please show me where Chinese have made a official statement they will enter J and K.Dont post some statements by some "Chinese Experts".Post official Chinese govt statement.

War starts with a stand off! I did not say that China will fight for Pakistan rather there interest naturally meet ours. I hope you can see the difference. I don't have access to official Chinese documents that can post on such matters. It is all over the Indian media as well that China saying we can enter IoK if Pak asks us to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3W0CKyFwJs
 
War starts with a stand off! I did not say that China will fight for Pakistan rather there interest naturally meet ours. I hope you can see the difference. I don't have access to official Chinese documents that can post on such matters. It is all over the Indian media as well that China saying we can enter IoK if Pak asks us to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3W0CKyFwJs

It was a statement given by some "Chinese Expert" in Chinese newspaper global times.China has never made such official statements.So dont get high.

Interests only go so much,will they risk a war with India for Pakistani interests when they didnt go to war for their own interest.
 
Muslims in China are not even allowed to fast during Ramzan, so you don't need 5-10 years to figure that out.

Uighurs arent allowed these liberties.

Han Muslims are relatively free
 
It was a statement given by some "Chinese Expert" in Chinese newspaper global times.China has never made such official statements.So dont get high.

Interests only go so much,will they risk a war with India for Pakistani interests when they didnt go to war for their own interest.

Not my fault that you can't read! The Chinese expert was speaking on behalf of his country or should every Chinese person speak individually? Face facts, you are terrified of China alone never mind of a China-Pak nexus. I again have to reiterate that China is not doing any favour upon Pak by threatening you with out right war. It just so happens that our interests are aligned. We don't need China to fight our wars like you did Israel during the Kargil conflict.
 
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