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New Delhi, March 1: There has been no change in Article 370 and 35A following the Union Cabinet’s decisions on Jammu and Kashmir, and any reports to the effect were “mischievous”, official sources said here on Thursday.

They said some people were spreading rumours about the cabinet decisions and the Home Ministry has clarified there was no change at all in respect of the two Articles.

Article 370 and 35A contain special provisions for Jammu and Kashmir.

The Union Cabinet on Thursday approved the Jammu and Kashmir Reservation (Amendment) Ordinance, bringing persons residing in the areas adjoining International Border within the ambit of reservation at par with persons living in areas adjoining the Line of Control (LoC).

The Cabinet also approved the proposal of Jammu and Kashmir government regarding amendment to the Constitution (Application to Jammu and Kashmir) order, 1954 by way of the Constitution (Application to Jammu and Kashmir) Amendment Order, 2019.

It will pave the way for giving benefit of promotion in service to the Scheduled Castes, the Scheduled Tribes and also extend the reservation of up to 10 per cent for “economically weaker sections” in educational institutions and public employment in addition to the existing reservation in Jammu and Kashmir.

https://www.thedispatch.in/no-change-in-article-370-and-35a-following-cabinet-decisions-on-jk/
 
@Romalli_rotti be like :(

It was pretty much expected to happen, no way Modi and co. have time to go through the extensive process of trying to kill the main components of the Instrument of Accession with no guarantee of auccess anyway
 
Good. Kashmir is safe from the Indian invasion.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
@Romalli_rotti be like :(

It was pretty much expected to happen, no way Modi and co. have time to go through the extensive process of trying to kill the main components of the Instrument of Accession with no guarantee of auccess anyway
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However they have tried to bring in reservations for people living in border areas through an unconstitutional process. We shouldnt ignore this.
 
Madplayer said:
However they have tried to bring in reservations for people living in border areas through an unconstitutional process. We shouldnt ignore this.
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Like I previously said in another thread, only a matter of time...
 
I think they can not change the law as Kashmir is disputed valley. Even in Pakistan the similar sort of law exist where other Pakistanis can not buy a land in Azad Kashmir & in GB.
 
This is stupid article we don’t get anything from it
We don’t have our PM we don’t have any kind of jobs
Kashmiris themselves go to other places half of the time who the hell will come from India to buy land here
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The revocation of Article 370 and 35A just announced by <a href="https://twitter.com/AmitShah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AmitShah</a> ending 70 years of stated policy on the state. This seeks to withdraw the special status of Jammu and Kashmir. Legal questions persist on efficacy and validity. Parliament adjourned after mayhem.</p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1158254397991743488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
New Delhi:

Article 370 for special status on Jammu and Kashmir to be removed, Home Minister Amit Shah proposed in parliament today.

Article 370 of the Constitution is a 'temporary provision' which grants special autonomous status to Jammu and Kashmir.

Amit Shah spoke amid massive protests from the opposition over turmoil in the state and an unprecedented lockdown that included the house arrest of former chief ministers like Omar Abdullah and Mehbooba Mufti.



https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/art...ah-in-parliament-2080379?pfrom=home-topscroll
 
m.shah said:
What has fake terrorism to do with article 370?
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Spreading hate and violance through schools and children, sending them out to attack national army with stones,molotov and acid bombs and in many cases hand granades, hoisting national flag of some other hostile country, not just in india in everyother countris such acts are considered as terrorism and this article has only helped it long since indians cant interfere much inside kashmir due to it
 
DeadlyYorker said:
Spreading hate and violance through schools and children, sending them out to attack national army with stones,molotov and acid bombs and in many cases hand granades, hoisting national flag of some other hostile country, not just in india in everyother countris such acts are considered as terrorism and this article has only helped it long since indians cant interfere much inside kashmir due to it
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How will it will it help now stopping this all?
 
m.shah said:
How will it will it help now stopping this all?
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Private education and private and Govt operated entities will now also be runninng in kashmir thus slowly stopping the mindwash and unifying people just like how it is in another state
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a>: Here's everything that <a href="https://twitter.com/AmitShah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AmitShah</a> has announced so far on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JammuAndKashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JammuAndKashmir</a>.<br><br>Follow: <a href="https://t.co/xTNAK3Pdxc">https://t.co/xTNAK3Pdxc</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JammuAndKashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JammuAndKashmir</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MissionKashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MissionKashmir</a> <a href="https://t.co/EC3vi1OQtD">pic.twitter.com/EC3vi1OQtD</a></p>— News18.com (@news18dotcom) <a href="https://twitter.com/news18dotcom/status/1158258570321776640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
DeadlyYorker said:
Private education and private and Govt operated entities will now also be runninng in kashmir thus slowly stopping the mindwash and unifying people just like how it is in another state
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So there is no private education in kashmir today? No matter people like you are so naive and act as masters with little knowledge
 
m.shah said:
Our identity has been looted illegally
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You've been living under a dubious arrangement for 70 years, now you get to be a proper citizen of India. Be glad.

Meanwhile I think I'll fly in to J&K and buy me some land woohoo....
 
m.shah said:
Do you know how many international schools are in kashmir right now? You are as thick as your politicians. First go and get some info and them comeback to post your rubbish
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You are living in indian kashmir right. How come your internet working then. Hope you dnt mind.
 
Pakistanian said:
Hakuna matata bro, just cause they change the law doesn't mean indians will migrate there and they can't stay there if it's not peaceful.
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It took 70 years and courage to remove this article man. Just the beginning.
 
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Typical Kashmiri mentality they are happy to leech off rest of India but if India does anything to integrate the state into federal union. They cry about it.
It’s about time, 70 years too late but better late than never.
Opposition are screwed, if they vote in favour of the bill, no one can stop BJP for long time. They vote against it people won’t forget this &#55357;&#56834;
 
have deleted some junk from this thread and banned one poster - stay civilized - we are talking about people's lives here.
 
Then why doesnt india let the leeches get away from it?

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri people and not Indians. If they dont want to be part of india, that’s their choice. You dont own them!
 
CCAD said:
Typical Kashmiri mentality they are happy to leech off rest of India but if India does anything to integrate the state into federal union. They cry about it.
It’s about time, 70 years too late but better late than never.
Opposition are screwed, if they vote in favour of the bill, no one can stop BJP for long time. They vote against it people won’t forget this &#55357;&#56834;
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Let go away the leeches then
 
Knight_Rider said:
Then why doesnt india let the leeches get away from it?

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri people and not Indians. If they dont want to be part of india, that’s their choice. You dont own them!
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Kashmir belonged to kashmiri pandit also.but we all know what happened.
 
Knight_Rider said:
Then why doesnt india let the leeches get away from it?

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri people and not Indians. If they dont want to be part of india, that’s their choice. You dont own them!
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The "leeches" are free to go wherever they want. They aren't being forced to stay in the country.

As for the land, it's not going anywhere.
 
No Indian on this forum will neither move to Kashmir nor will buy a land in Kashmir.
 
Knight_Rider said:
Then why doesnt india let the leeches get away from it?

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri people and not Indians. If they dont want to be part of india, that’s their choice. You dont own them!
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Kashmir belongs to India and no one can change it.
 
What are Pakistan's options now?
- Military conflict
- Diplomatic, moral, arms support to locals? Non state actors?
- non state actions within rest of India?
- Appeal to UNSC, OIC?
- Leverage bargain from US vis-a-vis afghanistan pull out deal?
 
slipcatch said:
No Indian on this forum will neither move to Kashmir nor will buy a land in Kashmir.
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hen you dont know Indians. You may see an Ipl match there soon in a brand new stadium. J&K properties willsell like hotcakes
 
Anybody buying j&k property would be millionaire in few years. I dnt think many would even get opportunity to buy the land. Kashmir is no lesser than switzerland and in future it would be cash cow for India.
 
Akki malhotra said:
Anybody buying j&k property would be millionaire in few years. I dnt think many would even get opportunity to buy the land. Kashmir is no lesser than switzerland and in future it would be cash cow for India.
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First there has to be peace and for that India has to commit genocide.
 
Akki malhotra said:
Anybody buying j&k property would be millionaire in few years. I dnt think many would even get opportunity to buy the land. Kashmir is no lesser than switzerland and in future it would be cash cow for India.
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This. Just saw this meme in a whatsapp group but i see thus becoming reality in a year or 2:
*Lodha - Paradise*
New project in Srinagar
Beautiful and serene view of Dal Lake
2 & 3 BHK starting just 4.5 Crores
(Rera Reg. )
 
slipcatch said:
No Indian on this forum will neither move to Kashmir nor will buy a land in Kashmir.
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You have a very little knowledge about India.. You will see very soon non locals starting business in kashmir or buying properties.. Huge business interests in kashmir
 
They say you throw a stone anywhere on Earth. You will find Indians there. Someone thinks we will not harmonize within beautiful Kashmir!
 
slipcatch said:
I repeat, no indian on this forum will move to Kashmir nor buy property.
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But other Indians will, especially wealthy Indians who prefer to buy farmhouse and other luxury land all around the World, and they will do the same in Kashmir.

Soon Marathi's, Gujratis, Tamils, Goans, Bengali's will become landowners in Kashmir. Very sad day for those wanted to maintain the exclusive rights of Kashmiris over Kashmir.
 
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One of my Ladakhi friend WhatsApp'ed me lol. He is soo happy to be separated from J&K and now they will have their own identity, their own UT, no one will call them Kashmiris. Development projects will be fast tracked. Now govt will also give importance to the lovely people of Ladakh.
 
Congress showing their real face. What kind of fools vote for them?
If they oppose this they won't win anoother election ever.
 
Tiger96 said:
But other Indians will, especially wealthy Indians who prefer to buy farmhouse and other luxury land all around the World, and they will do the same in Kashmir.

Soon Marathi's, Gujratis, Tamils, Goans, Bengali's will become landowners in Kashmir. Very sad day for those wanted to maintain the exclusive rights of Kashmiris over Kashmir.
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No need to go that far. Neighbouring state punjabis are going to buy most of the land. As most of the punjabis are now unable to buy land in Himachal after article 370. They dnt gonna let kashmir land go outside to anyone. I expect big industrialists as well from all over India to buy land in huge proportions.
 
Akki malhotra said:
No need to go that far. Neighbouring state punjabis are going to buy most of the land. As most of the punjabis are now unable to buy land in Himachal after article 370. They dnt gonna let kashmir land go outside to anyone. I expect big industrialists as well from all over India to buy land in huge proportions.
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Okay Bro good luck to the Punjabi's then. I hope you also buy a small plot in Kashmir and spend your summer vacations there 😁😁😁
 
India's government has said it plans to revoke the part of the constitution that gives Indian-administered Kashmir special privileges.

Article 370, which grants it significant autonomy, is sensitive because it is the basis on which the princely state of Kashmir joined India when it was partitioned in 1947.

But the entire region is disputed between India and Pakistan who claim it in full but only control parts of it.

The move is expected to spark unrest.

There has been an insurgency against the authorities in Indian-administered Kashmir for three decades, with tens of thousands of lives lost.

India and Pakistan, both nuclear powers, have fought two wars and a limited conflict over the Himalayan territory.

Home Minister Amit Shah introduced the measure in parliament amid massive protests from the opposition.

Article 370 allows the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir its own constitution, a separate flag and independence over all matters except foreign affairs, defence and communications.

The former chief minister of the state, Mehbooba Mufti, said the move effectively made India an occupying force.

The announcement in parliament came hours after two of the state's former chief ministers, including Ms Mufti, were placed under house arrest.

Public meetings have been banned in the state, with mobile networks and the internet also restricted.

In recent days thousands of tourists as well as pilgrims on an annual trek to a major shrine have been asked to leave the state immediately amid the deployment of tens of thousands of troops.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49231619#
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today marks the darkest day in Indian democracy. Decision of J&K leadership to reject 2 nation theory in 1947 & align with India has backfired. Unilateral decision of GOI to scrap Article 370 is illegal & unconstitutional which will make India an occupational force in J&K.</p>— Mehbooba Mufti (@MehboobaMufti) <a href="https://twitter.com/MehboobaMufti/status/1158257894149615616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
subbu said:
You have a very little knowledge about India.. You will see very soon non locals starting business in kashmir or buying properties.. Huge business interests in kashmir
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If you think Kashmiris will be silent on this and not retaliate then I am afraid u don't know Kashmiris
 
Motion to Repeal Article 370 to be Passed With Simple Majority | Amit Shah explains that since there is no Jammu and Kashmir assembly as of today (following the government's move to make it a Union Territory) all powers of the assembly reside in the two houses of Parliament. Therefore, Article 370 can be repealed with the concurrence of a simple majority of both houses of Parliament and not 2/3rds.

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Can someone explain how this works?

This makes no sense.
 
Yes there will be retaliation by local kashmiris and local political parties.. May be Modi is ready for it
 
m.shah said:
If you think Kashmiris will be silent on this and not retaliate then I am afraid u don't know Kashmiris
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It seems the gloves are off from the Indian state with respect to Pakistan and Kashmirs. Unrestrained power and authority to govt and armed forces is a different ball game. Wont get away with stone pelting anymore. Timing cant be better given Pakistan's economic woes.
 
m.shah said:
If you think Kashmiris will be silent on this and not retaliate then I am afraid u don't know Kashmiris
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If Kashmiris retaliate then the forces will retaliate with ten times more impunity. Those who want to live peacefully shall be welcomed but the troublemakers and stone-pelters would be dealt ruthlessly.

Don't cry later when a stone -pelter is shot in the eye and loses his eyesight.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Motion to Repeal Article 370 to be Passed With Simple Majority | Amit Shah explains that since there is no Jammu and Kashmir assembly as of today (following the government's move to make it a Union Territory) all powers of the assembly reside in the two houses of Parliament. Therefore, Article 370 can be repealed with the concurrence of a simple majority of both houses of Parliament and not 2/3rds.

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Can someone explain how this works?

This makes no sense.
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Bro this is robbery, day light robbery, cheating, whatever you call it. There is clearly mentioned to remove article 370 it has to pass through kashmiri assembly. What Amit Shah is doing itz called gunda raaj. Blocked everything I don't what the situation is in kashmir right now. Hoe many are killed until now
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Motion to Repeal Article 370 to be Passed With Simple Majority | Amit Shah explains that since there is no Jammu and Kashmir assembly as of today (following the government's move to make it a Union Territory) all powers of the assembly reside in the two houses of Parliament. Therefore, Article 370 can be repealed with the concurrence of a simple majority of both houses of Parliament and not 2/3rds.

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Can someone explain how this works?

This makes no sense.
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So this is the answer.

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New Delhi: With issuance of presidential Order, the NDA government has resorted to legal interpretations of the constitutional provisions to do away with Article 370, which granted special and autonomous status to Jammu and Kashmir.

The presidential order brought about changes in the text of the Constitution to imply that henceforth, all provisions of the Constitution shall now apply also to J&K.


"All provisions of the Constitution, as amended from time to time, shall apply in relation to the State of Jammu and Kashmir and the exceptions and modifications subject to which they shall so apply..." stated the order, notified on Monday.

Since there is no elected government in place at this time in J&K, the presidential order states that the Governor shall exercise the powers of the elected government and will express the will of the state legislature in making recommendations to the President in relation to Article 370.


"References to the Government of the said State shall be construed as including references to the Governor of Jammu and Kashmir acting on the advice of his Council of Ministers," said the notification.

Another crucial part of this presidential order is that it amended the term 'Constituent Assembly' to mean 'Legislative Assembly' of the state.

This amendment was essential since Article 370, in its sub-clause (3), has itself laid down that Article 370 can cease to operate by way of a presidential order but a recommendation of the 'Constituent Assembly' shall have to be placed before him.

Therefore, the order first gave authority of the Legislative Assembly to the Governor, and then changed the ‘Constituent Assembly’ to mean ‘Legislative Assembly’, which in turn means that the president could have issued the order upon a recommendation by the Governor.

Since the state is under Governor’s rule, all the powers of the state legislature are currently vested with Parliament of India. Thus, the abrogation of Article 370 can be done by presidential order read in conjunction with consent by both House of Parliament by a simple majority

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m.shah said:
Bro this is robbery, day light robbery, cheating, whatever you call it. There is clearly mentioned to remove article 370 it has to pass through kashmiri assembly. What Amit Shah is doing itz called gunda raaj. Blocked everything I don't what the situation is in kashmir right now. Hoe many are killed until now
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Yep. Its nautanki for sure.

I would like article 370 and 35a removed but i am not sure if this is the way.

Dunno what is going to happen.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yep. Its nautanki for sure.

I would like article 370 and 35a removed but i am not sure if this is the way.

Dunno what is going to happen.
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There is no better way than this I feel. BJP is taking a chance. Let’s see if it pays off.

As long as the issue is resolved, I am all for whatever it takes.
 
m.shah said:
Bro this is robbery, day light robbery, cheating, whatever you call it. There is clearly mentioned to remove article 370 it has to pass through kashmiri assembly. What Amit Shah is doing itz called gunda raaj. Blocked everything I don't what the situation is in kashmir right now. Hoe many are killed until now
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You are only going to gain from this - that is if you are a well meaning kashmiri. Development. Inclusion, recognition, progress. Think!
 
Tiger96 said:
If Kashmiris retaliate then the forces will retaliate with ten times more impunity. Those who want to live peacefully shall be welcomed but the troublemakers and stone-pelters would be dealt ruthlessly.

Don't cry later when a stone -pelter is shot in the eye and loses his eyesight.
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This is what I am afraid of more Kashmiris will be killed and there will be more attacks. On both sides killing will be there you don't have an idea of consequences of this. Those who live there understand fully what will happen. Do you think Indian politicians are naive that they are bringing more and more security there as today 8000 more army personal are deployed there.
With this decision itz not between army and militants itz is now between whole kashmir even jammu regions like pir panchal, doda, rajouri.
Anyways this is what you want to see more blind eyes, more killings and I congratulate you in advance as your wish be granted
 
troodon said:
There is no better way than this I feel. BJP is taking a chance. Let’s see if it pays off.

As long as the issue is resolved, I am all for whatever it takes.
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I get it.

But doesn't feel right.

You lose all moral ground with this move.

Plus alienate all people in Kashmir.
 
lurker20 said:
You are only going to gain from this - that is if you are a well meaning kashmiri. Development. Inclusion, recognition, progress. Think!
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You can't snatch people it's identity, you can't divide a state while keeping its people in blockade. This is just not right and what I am afraid of don't know how many people will be killed
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I get it.

But doesn't feel right.

You lose all moral ground with this move.

Plus alienate all people in Kashmir.
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Those people who supported India like anything are feeling robbed like main political stream leaders and think what others will be thinking.
 
m.shah said:
You can't snatch people it's identity, you can't divide a state while keeping its people in blockade. This is just not right and what I am afraid of don't know how many people will be killed
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Kashmir was never too connected with Jammu let alone ladakh.

Blockade is actually to protect the innocents from the non state actors. With the blockade the violence will be far less. Yes temporary pain. But this was a remedial decision and not a temporay/shallow one. Calm your apprehensions for some time.
 
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
Can you post the statement of omar Abdullah here so people can get an idea what I am talking about
 
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