India revokes IOK's special autonomy through rushed presidential decree; Challenge in court [#262]

[m.shah]

You can't buy loyalty you have to earn it. Kashmiri people have only one goal and that is separate state.

I agree

 

[m.shah]

There's a difference. In the countries you mentioned, there was foreign occupation. In Kashmir, they've been living with Indian passports since their birth. In a week they will realize their property values have tripled and they have more rights and facilities. Azadi was always a pipe dream and they knew it. There was no way Pak was going to get out of AJK and India out of J&K

Who the hell are you to speak on the behalf of us? Kashmiris ek hafte me wo kare ge ye kare ge apko kal se bardaasht kar raha hu.. Who is u to talk on our behalf idiot

 

[rhony]

Sounds like an Israel move and only time will tell where this goes.
To be honest pakistan has nothing to lose from this move of India but India do have everything to lose especially trust of Kashmiri people. Before this at least they recognised Kashmir needs a solution according to their wishes.

Let's be fair. Kashmiris never trusted GOI after 60s. There were only two options. Either this or maintain the status quo. There is political will to make this work. Let's see what happens. I hope it will lead to peace which is always the end game.

 

[rhony]

Who the hell are you to speak on the behalf of us? Kashmiris ek hafte me wo kare ge ye kare ge apko kal se bardaasht kar raha hu.. Who is u to talk on our behalf idiot

Who made you the representative of all Kashmiris fool? You either agree or disagree or sit tight. People have something called rights and freedom of expression. You probably aren't aware of those. You will learn as they are part of Indian constitution too

 

[Azzurri]

Who made you the representative of all Kashmiris fool? You either agree or disagree or sit tight. People have something called rights and freedom of expression. You probably aren't aware of those. You will learn as they are part of Indian constitution too

Mr Rhony you have been trolling since yesterday. I got that you are happy but get over it and wait and watch. Stupid

 

[MRSN]

Let's be fair. Kashmiris never trusted GOI after 60s. There were only two options. Either this or maintain the status quo. There is political will to make this work. Let's see what happens. I hope it will lead to peace which is always the end game.

Using force to any political conflict ends very ugly. Nato and US with all their power are struggling for their life to get the hell out of Afghanistan and Syria is also going same route. Political conflicts like these can not be solved by force. We will see how many lives are lost by this big ego move.

 

[MRSN]

Who made you the representative of all Kashmiris fool? You either agree or disagree or sit tight. People have something called rights and freedom of expression. You probably aren't aware of those. You will learn as they are part of Indian constitution too

Because he is a Kashmiri unlike you and he echoes majority in fact 100% Kashmiris on this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Using force to any political conflict ends very ugly. Nato and US with all their power are struggling for their life to get the hell out of Afghanistan and Syria is also going same route. Political conflicts like these can not be solved by force. We will see how many lives are lost by this big ego move.

Kashmir has been a part of India for 70yrs.

Comparing that to US and NATO in Afg and Syria is laughable.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The drama and acting from the Abdullah’s is top notch. Farooq was just on tv shedding fake tears. Jumping between speaking normally then he’d suddenly pretend to lose his voice for a second to two.

These families have made millions on the back of Kashmir - it’s no wonder they are upset at this latest decision.

Still think they are probably in on it all and this is all just drama for their supporters.

 

[Hornbill]

The drama and acting from the Abdullah’s is top notch. Farooq was just on tv shedding fake tears. Jumping between speaking normally then he’d suddenly pretend to lose his voice for a second to two.

These families have made millions on the back of Kashmir - it’s no wonder they are upset at this latest decision.

Still think they are probably in on it all and this is all just drama for their supporters.

They will be astonished to see the kind of positive coverage they are getting in pak media

 

[MRSN]

Lol. The Non muslims and Shia muslims are 40-45% of Kashmiri population and have hardly joined this separatist terrorist movement.

Then why is Indian state scared of a referendum in Kashmir? Very convenient of you to make Kashmir Muslims vs non Muslims issue. Even if I go by your logic, in any democracy 60% people will be given more respect and heard fairly but since a Hindu majority party is at the helm, it doesn't matter whether Kashmir a Muslims majority they will not get their deserved rights.

 

[MRSN]

Kashmir has been a part of India for 70yrs.

Comparing that to US and NATO in Afg and Syria is laughable.

So why did you have to break the law to make it part of India if it already was?

 

[Indiafan]

Then why is Indian state scared of a referendum in Kashmir? Very convenient of you to make Kashmir Muslims vs non Muslims issue. Even if I go by your logic, in any democracy 60% people will be given more respect and heard fairly but since a Hindu majority party is at the helm, it doesn't matter whether Kashmir a Muslims majority they will not get their deserved rights.

It's a completely false assertion that all 60% want freedom or support Pakistan. The fact that so many take part in indian elections show otherwise

And you know why referendum was not considered, till terrorists are there to scare and loot people how can there be a neutral referendum?

 

[jagatk]

Then why is Indian state scared of a referendum in Kashmir? Very convenient of you to make Kashmir Muslims vs non Muslims issue. Even if I go by your logic, in any democracy 60% people will be given more respect and heard fairly but since a Hindu majority party is at the helm, it doesn't matter whether Kashmir a Muslims majority they will not get their deserved rights.

You want a referendum tell your PM that, the resolution you people keep harping about says its on you to start the process not us.

 

[Zeeraq]

India's Kashmir move may face legal challenges: Experts

India's move to strip Kashmir of special rights is likely to face legal challenges, constitutional experts and Supreme Court lawyers said, with some questioning the legality of the route used to make the change.

On Monday, Home Minister Amit Shah announced in parliament that the government would scrap the constitution's Article 370, which grants special status to Jammu and Kashmir state and allows permanent residents rights to property and government jobs.

The revocation of the Himalayan territory's special status is being seen as a bid to fully integrate its only Muslim-majority state with the rest of the country.

To do so, the government used a provision under Article 370 of the constitution that allows the law to be tweaked by a presidential order - provided there is consensus in the constituent assembly of Jammu and Kashmir.

One problem, though, is that the constituent assembly of the state was dissolved in 1956.

"They [the government] have not just struck down the provision of 370, but they have actually dismantled the state of Jammu and Kashmir as it existed in the Indian constitution," Ajai Shukla, a defence analyst in New Delhi, told Al Jazeera.

"It now consists of union territories which are centrally governed - Ladakh and Jammu and Kashmir. This is a sort of a radical new provision, which many people are saying will require a constitutional amendment," he said.

The government has tweaked another constitutional article so that a reference in Article 370 to "constituent assembly of the state" becomes "legislative assembly of the state". The legality of that move, the lawyers said, could be questioned in court.

'Legal faultline'

New Delhi said all the changes were agreed to by the state government. And that, some lawyers say, could be another issue for the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi as there currently is no government in Jammu and Kashmir.

For the past year, the state has been under presidential rule, after Modi's Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) pulled away from an alliance with a regional party and dissolved the state assembly.

"If there is president's rule, then how does that work? Does it fulfil the requirement?" senior Supreme Court advocate Akhil Sibal told Reuters news agency. "That, to my mind, would be the legal faultline."

Malavika Prasad, a constitutional lawyer, said: "How did the government of Jammu and Kashmir concur with the changes if the state has been under presidential rule for a year now?"

Shah said earlier on Monday that the changes would pass "every legal scrutiny", but lawyers said they expect several petitions challenging India's changes to Article 370.

One group of lawyers in New Delhi is already working on a possible petition, a lawyer told Reuters.

"The first legal challenge will come from Kashmir itself. All of Kashmir is now on one side, including the secessionists and nationalists; everybody is outraged," said Shukla, the defence analyst.

"In India as well, there will be mounting legal challenges and political opposition, which has many illustrious lawyers. It can be expected that these will be heard by a constitutional bench in the Supreme Court."

There could also be legal objections to related government legislation concerning the division of Jammu and Kashmir into two entities, including a separate Buddhist-majority, sparsely-populated mountainous territory, Ladakh. That law will rely on the constitutional changes made on Monday.

'Major tipping point'

Critics of Modi's government and the BJP have accused it of changing the constitution to shift Jammu and Kashmir's demographics - it is currently majority Muslim - as well as to pander to its Hindu nationalist base, which has long demanded the right to own property in Kashmir.

Experts and analysts believe the move could have serious consequences for the entire region.

"There will be fear of a change in the demographic profile of Jammu and Kashmir that will sow more despair among the people and a sense of deprivation and disempowerment will be engrained further," Kashmiri journalist Iftikhar Gilani said at a panel on South Asian politics in Turkey's capital, Ankara.

"When you discredit moderates, you will encourage radicals. When you reduce humanity to a spectacle, you create a dehumanised society," he said.

Since 1947, Jammu and Kashmir has enjoyed special provisions to enact its own laws. The provisions also protected its citizenship law, which did not allow outsiders to settle in or own land in the territory.

The Himalayan region is held by India and Pakistan in parts and claimed by both in full. New Delhi's action provoked condemnation in Pakistan, which has disputed India's control over Kashmir for decades.

Since they were partitioned in 1947, the two countries have fought wars in 1948, 1965 and 1971 - two of them over Kashmir.

Speaking at the same panel in Ankara, Umer Karim, a research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London, said India's latest move "will only create further instability in the region and will further escalate tensions between the two sides".

Michael Kugelman, deputy director of the Wilson Center in Washington, DC, tweeted: "The revocation of Article 370 is a major tipping point for an already-fraught dispute."

Some Kashmiri groups in the disputed region have been fighting against Indian rule, aiming for independence or unification with neighbouring Pakistan.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...legal-challenges-experts-190806053650480.html

 

[jadaja]

Excellent statement by Amit Shah about POK.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then why is Indian state scared of a referendum in Kashmir? Very convenient of you to make Kashmir Muslims vs non Muslims issue. Even if I go by your logic, in any democracy 60% people will be given more respect and heard fairly but since a Hindu majority party is at the helm, it doesn't matter whether Kashmir a Muslims majority they will not get their deserved rights.

When muslims killed and displaced 100s of 1000s of Pandits, they changed the demography forever. There is no place for referendum in such a scenario.

Yes its a sunni muslims vs rest issue.

 

[pakistani pride]

Excellent statement by Amit Shah about POK.

And what will he do about POK?

 

[jadaja]

And what will he do about POK?

It will taken by its rightful owner.

 

[pakistani pride]

It will taken by its rightful owner.

Can you explain how and when?
Have been hearing this for ages.

I mean just go and do something about it instead of just talking 24/7.

 

[jadaja]

Can you explain how and when?
Have been hearing this for ages.

I mean just go and do something about it instead of just talking 24/7.

I am not your history teacher, read it yourself.

 

[pakistani pride]

I am not your history teacher, read it yourself.

Uhmm taking POK will be a thing in the future, what has history got to do with it?

How and when will India take over POK?

 

[Khan12]

It will taken by its rightful owner.

By hindu cowards. No chance keep dreaming.

 

[rhony]

Mr Rhony you have been trolling since yesterday. I got that you are happy but get over it and wait and watch. Stupid

Apparently saying something that you don't like is trolling. If that's your intellectual capacity, then God help Kashmiris.

 

[jadaja]

By hindu cowards. No chance keep dreaming.

This kind of nonsense is what I don't want to hear, why you have to abuse.Where are your manners why are abusing others.

Stop acting tough sitting behind a keyboard.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The constituent assembly that was supposed to do this doesn't exist, that practice ended in 1957 post which they have a state assembly which would have to approve abrogation of 370 which in itself is murky as words stated are constituent assembly not state assembly, which is further complicated by the fact that j&k doesn't have a state govt right now, central govt has used this and done a bit of legal gymnastics with it, as now that j&k is under central rule, those rights they claim pass on to the parliament which therefore can now abrogate 370 and 35A.

This sh!t is really twisted, and is definently going to SC who by the way have time and again ruled in favor of those sections in past.

The M.Shah dude completely incorrect with the Himachal Pradesh law firstly the restrictions are for agricultural land only, if you want to buy a house in say shimla you can regardless of whether you are from HP or not, secondly if you want land for industrial purpose the state govt can lease you land like everywhere else in india, in Kashmir there is no such provisions

Thanks for the info bro.

 

[Slog]

It's a completely false assertion that all 60% want freedom or support Pakistan. The fact that so many take part in indian elections show otherwise

And you know why referendum was not considered, till terrorists are there to scare and loot people how can there be a neutral referendum?

Srinagar hd 13% turnout in recent election. So much for so many taking part

 

[Candyman]

By hindu cowards. No chance keep dreaming.

Those Hindu "cowards" cut your beloved nation in half and destroyed your two nation theory into oblivion. If those Hindu cowards were actually that, you'd have had Kashmir by now, and would not have involved in cowardly acts like funding infiltrators and terrorists , as you think that your army is the most "profeshanal " and filled with "jazba and junoon. "

Come out of your hate induced delusions.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Still no violence in the region - the naysayers will be disappointed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From Srinagar, J&K Top Cop, DGP Dilbagh Singh tells me there has "not been a SINGLE violent incident" after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Article370?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Article370</a> going. "No spontaneous agitation". Says Mainstream Netas detained have been kept in "hotels/guesthouses & are comfortable". Excerpts. Full intvw coming soon. <a href="https://t.co/gov9WHnKas">pic.twitter.com/gov9WHnKas</a></p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1158759874001604609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">جموں و کشمیر کے عوام اس امر پر فخر کا احساس کریں گے کہ اراکین پارلیمنٹ نے اپنے اختلافات فراموش کرکے جموں و کشمیر کے خاکے پر کھل کر مباحثے میں حصہ لیا اور امن، ترقی اور خوشحالی کو یقینی بنانے میں دلچسپی لی۔</p>— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1158755486759436288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Tweeting to Kashmiris... who have no internet

 

[JaDed]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">جموں و کشمیر کے عوام اس امر پر فخر کا احساس کریں گے کہ اراکین پارلیمنٹ نے اپنے اختلافات فراموش کرکے جموں و کشمیر کے خاکے پر کھل کر مباحثے میں حصہ لیا اور امن، ترقی اور خوشحالی کو یقینی بنانے میں دلچسپی لی۔</p>— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1158755486759436288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Tweeting to Kashmiris... who have no internet

Lol

 

[Slog]

Those Hindu "cowards" cut your beloved nation in half and destroyed your two nation theory into oblivion. If those Hindu cowards were actually that, you'd have had Kashmir by now, and would not have involved in cowardly acts like funding infiltrators and terrorists , as you think that your army is the most "profeshanal " and filled with "jazba and junoon. "

Come out of your hate induced delusions.

Before that, Indian Muslims led by the great Jinnah split India into half so don’t know why jumping like a monkey here

 

[Slog]

Still no violence in the region - the naysayers will be disappointed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From Srinagar, J&K Top Cop, DGP Dilbagh Singh tells me there has "not been a SINGLE violent incident" after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Article370?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Article370</a> going. "No spontaneous agitation". Says Mainstream Netas detained have been kept in "hotels/guesthouses & are comfortable". Excerpts. Full intvw coming soon. <a href="https://t.co/gov9WHnKas">pic.twitter.com/gov9WHnKas</a></p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1158759874001604609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There’s a curfew and more soldiers have been added tonwhat is already the most militarized zone in the world

 

[cricketjoshila]

Before that, Indian Muslims led by the great Jinnah split India into half so don’t know why jumping like a monkey here

Lol. The British via an act of British parliament split British India. What are blabbering about?

 

[Candyman]

Before that, Indian Muslims led by the great Jinnah split India into half so don’t know why jumping like a monkey here

LMAO. Jinnah split India into half.

What else ?

Jinnah helped the Allies win world war 2 ?

I guess this is what they teach kids in Pakistani schools.

That explains the lack of basic historcal knowledge among you guys.

 

[m.shah]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">جموں و کشمیر کے عوام اس امر پر فخر کا احساس کریں گے کہ اراکین پارلیمنٹ نے اپنے اختلافات فراموش کرکے جموں و کشمیر کے خاکے پر کھل کر مباحثے میں حصہ لیا اور امن، ترقی اور خوشحالی کو یقینی بنانے میں دلچسپی لی۔</p>— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1158755486759436288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Tweeting to Kashmiris... who have no internet

Some one this this killer we don't have anything working there

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">جموں و کشمیر کے عوام اس امر پر فخر کا احساس کریں گے کہ اراکین پارلیمنٹ نے اپنے اختلافات فراموش کرکے جموں و کشمیر کے خاکے پر کھل کر مباحثے میں حصہ لیا اور امن، ترقی اور خوشحالی کو یقینی بنانے میں دلچسپی لی۔</p>— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/1158755486759436288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Tweeting to Kashmiris... who have no internet

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Modi is sooo cute.

 

[pakistani pride]

Uhmm taking POK will be a thing in the future, what has history got to do with it?

How and when will India take over POK?

Already some info on when tske over going to take place?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Still no violence in the region - the naysayers will be disappointed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From Srinagar, J&K Top Cop, DGP Dilbagh Singh tells me there has "not been a SINGLE violent incident" after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Article370?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Article370</a> going. "No spontaneous agitation". Says Mainstream Netas detained have been kept in "hotels/guesthouses & are comfortable". Excerpts. Full intvw coming soon. <a href="https://t.co/gov9WHnKas">pic.twitter.com/gov9WHnKas</a></p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1158759874001604609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gabbar keep up updating us with Inidan propaganda. Do you really expect any neutral or anyone apart from right wing Indians to believe the crap which comes out of India, esp since Balakot?

 

[msaaim89]

Gabbar keep up updating us with Inidan propaganda. Do you really expect any neutral or anyone apart from right wing Indians to believe the crap which comes out of India, esp since Balakot?

It's obvious it's not all sunshine and roses otherwise communication channels would have been back online by now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's obvious it's not all sunshine and roses otherwise communication channels would have been back online by now.

We know this but Gabbar and his bandits think they can fool everyone believing the whole planet is a stupid as most Indian citizens.

I've seen videos of youths and they are not happy, hope they stay safe.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And the protest begins. Over 100 arrested. 1 protester dead, 6 iniured.

 

[Asim_khan]

And the protest begins. Over 100 arrested. 1 protester dead, 6 iniured.

What? But Neutral Gabbar said it was all good and the Kashmiri people were taking it all in their stride?

 

[pakistani pride]

This kind of nonsense is what I don't want to hear, why you have to abuse.Where are your manners why are abusing others.

Stop acting tough sitting behind a keyboard.

Just anwser the question. Your the one acting tough claiming India will take over POK.

What is the latest status on that?
Please advise.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Still no violence in the region - the naysayers will be disappointed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From Srinagar, J&K Top Cop, DGP Dilbagh Singh tells me there has "not been a SINGLE violent incident" after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Article370?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Article370</a> going. "No spontaneous agitation". Says Mainstream Netas detained have been kept in "hotels/guesthouses & are comfortable". Excerpts. Full intvw coming soon. <a href="https://t.co/gov9WHnKas">pic.twitter.com/gov9WHnKas</a></p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1158759874001604609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I agree with you.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As per the details accessed by The Hindu, at least 15 incidents of stone-throwing were reported in the past 48 hrs in Srinagar and Awantipora districts.Some incidents continued for six hours. Kashmir Valley remained cut off for second consecutive day.I rpt<a href="https://t.co/VTLyhP7bfg">https://t.co/VTLyhP7bfg</a></p>— vijaita singh (@vijaita) <a href="https://twitter.com/vijaita/status/1158945602933149696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[uberkoen]

It's a completely false assertion that all 60% want freedom or support Pakistan. The fact that so many take part in indian elections show otherwise

And you know why referendum was not considered, till terrorists are there to scare and loot people how can there be a neutral referendum?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-want-independence-poll-idUSDEL29179620070813

You're right it is a false assertion because in fact the number is 90%

 

[MRSN]

I agree with you.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As per the details accessed by The Hindu, at least 15 incidents of stone-throwing were reported in the past 48 hrs in Srinagar and Awantipora districts.Some incidents continued for six hours. Kashmir Valley remained cut off for second consecutive day.I rpt<a href="https://t.co/VTLyhP7bfg">https://t.co/VTLyhP7bfg</a></p>— vijaita singh (@vijaita) <a href="https://twitter.com/vijaita/status/1158945602933149696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

look at those beautiful empty streets. Modi should be proud and so should be extremists that support him. Force will never resolve any issue but only make it worse.

 

[MRSN]

It's a completely false assertion that all 60% want freedom or support Pakistan. The fact that so many take part in indian elections show otherwise

And you know why referendum was not considered, till terrorists are there to scare and loot people how can there be a neutral referendum?

Taking part in election doesn't mean people don't want freedom. They have learned this hard fact by the struggles of the Muslims during British raj. Quid e Azam led a political party to a separate state. We didn't become independent state through violence but through political movement.

 

[jadaja]

look at those beautiful empty streets. Modi should be proud and so should be extremists that support him. Force will never resolve any issue but only make it worse.

Empty streets are there to prevent miscreants who are employed by parties that don't want peace in the region.Execellent forward thinking by Modi to impose curfew to prevent any loss of life.

 

[Hermoine Green]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Images from near Mendher area, district Poonch. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jammu?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jammu</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> <a href="https://t.co/7QGGcTX09i">pic.twitter.com/7QGGcTX09i</a></p>— F. Jeffery (@Natsecjeff) <a href="https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1159534349852794880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Markhor]

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What a rumble

Not sure about Professor Chaulia's idea of "playing it cool" as he was anything but in this debate.

 

[Thomaskutty]

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What a rumble

Not sure about Professor Chaulia's idea of "playing it cool" as he was anything but in this debate.

The egghead finishing off the debate with "We will destroy you!" was hilarious
I think he maybe ISPR.

 

[Lego20]

Gabbar keep up updating us with Inidan propaganda. Do you really expect any neutral or anyone apart from right wing Indians to believe the crap which comes out of India, esp since Balakot?

You dont believe NDTV/barkha Dutt? She is your agent. You cant have a more reliable proof than Barkkah Dutt validating BJP govt.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For all those in New Delhi living in the delusion that Kashmir is happy over the scrapping of Article 370, union of J&K territory, an old Kashmiri has a msg:<br>“Lift the curfew for a day and we’ll let them know how happy we [Kashmiris] are”. <br>Can Modi do that?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaveKashmirFromModi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SaveKashmirFromModi</a> <a href="https://t.co/qJZZpTcmN7">pic.twitter.com/qJZZpTcmN7</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1159573230052683793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Majestic_Inzi]

Will be interesting to know how much military budget they spend in kashmir, i mean housing 650k army official will cost alot.

 

[Gullycricket]

Shame on these Indian posters claiming Kashmiris have now equal rights as any Indian.We already seeing them caged deprived of everything.This is about land not Kashmiris.Your government doesnt even trust a single kashmiri so shut this rubbish which majority of Indian posters are sprouting.You will pay God willing soon

 

[Gullycricket]

Also want to add you people will overrun kashmiris by your sheer number and they will not be able to compete and will lose everything.Fascists

 

[MenInG]

A five-judge bench of India's Supreme Court on Tuesday granted the government four weeks to file its response to a batch of petitions challenging the abrogation of occupied Kashmir’s special status under Article 370 of Constitution, reported Indian media.

The SC also placed an embargo on filing of any fresh writ petition challenging constitutional validity on abrogation of Article 370, said The Quint.

The bench will take up the matter on November 14. The Bharatiya Janata Party-led government stripped occupied Kashmir of its autonomy on August 5 while placing the valley under a lockdown and arresting Kashmiri leaders in a bid to prevent protests against the move. On October 5, the lockdown will have been in place for two months.

The pleas have challenged the communication blockade in occupied Kashmir, the illegal detention of children, and the impact of restrictions on healthcare.

The Supreme Court bench, headed by Justice NV Ramana, allowed the government and the occupied Jammu and Kashmir administration to file counter-affidavits on petitions challenging the scrapping of Article 370.

The top court refused the plea of petitioners that not more than two weeks be given, said The Hindu.

Senior Counsel Raju Ramachandran pointed out that the bifurcation of occupied Jammu & Kashmir, approved by Indian parliament on August 5, would come into effect on October 31. “The process will be irreversible and the petitions must not be rendered infructuous,” he urged the court, according to Scroll.in.

The court refused to entertain a petition seeking lifting of curbs on internet and fixed landline phone services across all hospitals and medical establishments in occupied Kashmir, said The Quint, instead directing the petitioner to approach the Jammu and Kashmir High Court.

On Monday, the court had postponed the hearings by a day, and said the three-judge bench headed by Chief Justice of India Ranjan Gogoi did not have the time to hear the pleas. “We have the constitution bench case [Ayodhya dispute] to hear,” Gogoi was quoted as saying.

Among the petitions, three have been filed by advocates ML Sharma, Shakir Shabir and Soyaib Qureshi against the security clampdown. Sharma was the first petitioner to challenge the presidential order the government used to hollow out Article 370, said Scroll.in.

National Conference Lok Sabha members Mohammad Akbar Lone and Hasnain Masoodi have also filed a petition under Article 32 of Constitution, which allows the Supreme Court to issue any order to protect the fundamental rights of citizens, Scroll.in added. According to them, the presidential order was “unconstitutional, void and inoperative” in occupied Kashmir.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1508379/i...to-reply-to-petitions-challenging-article-370

 

[sweep_shot]

SRINAGAR: In a stark indication that the situation in occupied Kashmir is far from normal, a delegation of civil society activists from India has been stopped by police from going outside Srinagar.

The Times of India reported on Sunday that for the second consecutive day, the five-member delegation led by former Union minister Yashwant Sinha was not allowed to go out of the main city of India-held Kashmir.

“We are not allowed to go out of Srinagar district,” the newspaper quoted Sushoba Bharve, who is a member of the Concerned Citizens’ Group, as saying.

So, the people who the delegation’s members were supposed to visit are instead visiting Srinagar to meet them, she said.

Bharve said that on Sunday the delegation would be meeting four to five groups of people in their Srinagar hotel.

She said police stopped them from going to Pulwama in south Kashmir and Budgam, the district that neighbours Srinagar.

On Saturday, former chief information commissioner Wajahat Habib*ullah, who is also a part of the delegation, said they had plans to go to Pulwama but were advised by the SSP (security) that the situation there was not conducive and there was the threat of an impending terrorist attack.

Meanwhile, Indian security personnel searched the MLA Hostel, where 32 senior leaders of the Kashmiri parties were shifted recently, hours after the inmates alleged humiliation of their families, including frisking of a child of a National Conference (NC) leader.

The Hindu said on Sunday the searches were conducted around 4pm, about two hours after the families of the 32 detained leaders met them and mounted a joint protest on the premises of the MLA Hostel against the “humiliation and harassment” they had been subjected to by the security personnel.

The two-year-old son of Tanvir Sadiq, political secretary to NC vice-president Omar Abdullah, was “unzipped and the child was body-searched” before he was allowed to meet his father along with his mother and grandfather.

“The kid has met his father several times since August 5. However, this is the first time he was body-searched,” a relative of Mr Sadiq told the daily.

Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) leader and former minister Naeem Akhtar’s daughter Sheryaar Khanam alleged that she was forced to taste the curd before allowing it into the sub-jail for her ailing father.

Another PDP leader Ashraf Mir’s wife said she was asked to remove socks so as to “humiliate her”. These incidents infuriated the inmates, who converged on the premises to stage a joint protest.

However, police termed the allegations “baseless”.

For her part, Iltija Mufti, PDP president Mehbooba Mufti’s daughter, said: “One assumes, certain J&K police officers drunk on newfound powers, are doing this to settle political scores.”

She also tagged the Union Home Minister’s Twitter handle with a message: “They are being treated worse than hardened criminals. Today, a detainee’s three-year-old infant son was nearly strip-searched, and this resulted in an altercation between political detainees.”

The Union Home Minister should personally look into the matter, she said. “Wondering if the PMO and HMO are in the loop about their vicious and vindictive behaviour.”

Ms Mufti also accused a senior police officer of facilitating the release of a former MLA “to engineer a new political front because the MLA in question has been visiting the families of the detainees and urging them to contact a former minister to secure their release from the sub-jail”.

She said the condition to secure their release depended on the willingness of the detainees to join a new front. “Since when has it become normal for an officer to interfere... in political matters...,” she asked.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1518674/indian-team-barred-from-going-outside-srinagar.

 

[m.shah]

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/a...CHZ33O109FmvC0Ob0QCXhWYQdG4CLIK7JhupXZNPzpmGU

 

[Romali_rotti]

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/a...CHZ33O109FmvC0Ob0QCXhWYQdG4CLIK7JhupXZNPzpmGU

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But But Vut bout da Pandits

 

[Romali_rotti]

Inb4 Oh OH but but thats all Fake, Pandit were not forced to leave, they just decided to leave

 

[IMMY69]

Inb4 Oh OH but but thats all Fake, Pandit were not forced to leave, they just decided to leave

and Muslims were not slaughtered and raped by prior to that...

Don’t know why I am replying to an extremist.
Ignore please

 

[Hitman]

Scrapping the article is surely the best thing the BJP has done since 2014.

 

[Romali_rotti]

and Muslims were not slaughtered and raped by prior to that...

Don’t know why I am replying to an extremist.
Ignore please

Poor post from you IMMY, I actually respect you as a poster and this is disappointing.

So:

I am extremist because I pointed out the Kashmiri Pandit side of things ?

Also you do realize that Indian Army first arrived because so many thousands of Pandits were raped, killed and driven out by the Kashmiri Muslims...So lets not even go into the muslim victim card....

Inb4 the typical Pakistani narrative: ' OH OH thats all fake Indian propaganda' lol Good lord...

 

[IMMY69]

Poor post from you IMMY, I actually respect you as a poster and this is disappointing.

So:

I am extremist because I pointed out the Kashmiri Pandit side of things ?

Also you do realize that Indian Army first arrived because so many thousands of Pandits were raped, killed and driven out by the Kashmiri Muslims...So lets not even go into the muslim victim card....

Inb4 the typical Pakistani narrative: ' OH OH thats all fake Indian propaganda' lol Good lord...

Ok and I am happy to take back the “extremist” label and apologies to you.

However, the entire ascension to India occurred when Hari Singh started killing off Muslims which lead to the tribals invading Kashmir and Singh ascending to India.

So there are always two sides of the story

 

[Abdullah719]

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But But Vut bout da Pandits

From the article in the post you quoted:

Since 1987, Kashmiris have experienced direct armed conflict but also abuses by Indian forces, in what is one of the most densely militarised regions in the world. Human rights groups have long recorded such violations.

They include acts of individual violence, such as invasive body frisking, beatings, and sexual, as well as physical abuse. Examples of collective violence include home searches, curfews, and the brutal treatment of posters through the use of tear gas and buckshot pellets, which have resulted in a spate of deaths and eye injuries in the region.

'Epidemic'

According to psychiatric experts, such behaviours by Indian forces have left an undisputed mark on the mental health of residents.

A 2015 survey of mental health issues in Kashmir by Doctors Without Borders (MSF) and the Institute of Mental Health and Neurosciences Srinagar (IMHANS) found that mental health problems had reached epidemic proportions.

Researchers found that 1.6 million adults showed significant signs of depression, around one million suffered from symptoms of anxiety and an estimated 19 percent of adults displayed symptoms of PTSD. A staggering 93 percent of Kashmiris had experienced conflict related trauma.

How about addressing some of these points... if that's not too inconvenient.

Anyway, I finally managed to get in touch with a friend from Kashmir yesterday and got to know a bit about the ground realities there right now, which are pretty dire. Will post in more detail when I have some time.

 

[Romali_rotti]

However, the entire ascension to India occurred when Hari Singh started killing off Muslims which lead to the tribals invading Kashmir and Singh ascending to India.

Is this some new Pakistani narrative ? Hari Singh initially did not want to join India due to majority of his subjects being muslims however Jinnah got a little bit impatient, he initially asked Hari Singh to Join Pakistan but Hari Singh wanted to remain independent. Jinnah ran out of patience and teamed up with the Aghan Tribals to go on an all out invasion of Kashmir which left Hari Singh no option but to Ascend to India.

 

[KingKhan12]

Is this some new Pakistani narrative ? Hari Singh initially did not want to join India due to majority of his subjects being muslims however Jinnah got a little bit impatient, he initially asked Hari Singh to Join Pakistan but Hari Singh wanted to remain independent. Jinnah ran out of patience and teamed up with the Aghan Tribals to go on an all out invasion of Kashmir which left Hari Singh no option but to Ascend to India.

Thats why Hari Singh along with RSS terrorists killed 10s of thousands of Muslims in Jammu.

Observers state that a main aim of Hari Singh and his administration was to alter the demographics of the region by eliminating the Muslim population, in order to ensure a Hindu majority in the region.

Glad for the Afghan Tribals and Pakistan for stepping in and saving us from Hari Singh.

Also what's your opinion of India revoking article 370 as Hari Singh only signed to join India because of Article 370 and India later approached the United Nations, asking it to resolve the dispute, and resolutions were passed in favour of the holding of a plebiscite with regard to Kashmir's future.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Thats why Hari Singh along with RSS terrorists killed 10s of thousands of Muslims in Jammu.

Observers state that a main aim of Hari Singh and his administration was to alter the demographics of the region by eliminating the Muslim population, in order to ensure a Hindu majority in the region.

Glad for the Afghan Tribals and Pakistan for stepping in and saving us from Hari Singh.

Also what's your opinion of India revoking article 370 as Hari Singh only signed to join India because of Article 370 and India later approached the United Nations, asking it to resolve the dispute, and resolutions were passed in favour of the holding of a plebiscite with regard to Kashmir's future.

LOL , total rubbish... If Hari Singh was so anti muslim he would have joined India immediately, he joined India because Jinnah was on a war path to conquer his land.. SHoooo Stop your lies , However keep telling the rubbish to yourself if it makes you sleep better at night...

 

[Iqbal'sh]

LOL , total rubbish... If Hari Singh was so anti muslim he would have joined India immediately, he joined India because Jinnah was on a war path to conquer his land.. SHoooo Stop your lies , However keep telling the rubbish to yourself if it makes you sleep better at night...

Maybe you need to read a bit about the 1931 Kashmir martyrs to know about Hari Singh and the Dogra mentality towards Muslims.

During partition, at best he was trying to play both sides against each other due to his dislike for both the Congress & the ML, and especially his fear of the Muslim activist Sheikh Abdullah.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Inb4 Oh OH but but thats all Fake, Pandit were not forced to leave, they just decided to leave

Around a fifth of the Kashmiri Pandits left Kashmir immediately following the Land Reforms of 1950.
Pandits totalled 5% of the Kashmiri population by the late 70’s.
The insurgency didn’t start until the mid 80’s so can you concede that the majority of Pandits left Kashmir not because of threats and intimidation but due to their own decisions taken in light of the declining economic and social circumstances.
After the insurgency took hold the Pandits were fearful for their lives and the remaining 5% left at this point.

 

[IMMY69]

LOL , total rubbish... If Hari Singh was so anti muslim he would have joined India immediately, he joined India because Jinnah was on a war path to conquer his land.. SHoooo Stop your lies , However keep telling the rubbish to yourself if it makes you sleep better at night...

See this is exactly the stuff that gets me going, especially since I've been off the nicotine for around 2.5 months now.

Please read up on it and if /we're wrong then I will stand corrected. However, I am extremely certain that it was the genocide of muslims that kicked everything off and not because of some fairy tale about Jinnah getting impatient.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

See this is exactly the stuff that gets me going, especially since I've been off the nicotine for around 2.5 months now.

Please read up on it and if /we're wrong then I will stand corrected. However, I am extremely certain that it was the genocide of muslims that kicked everything off and not because of some fairy tale about Jinnah getting impatient.

You are right but don’t get your expectations up regards any confirmation from confused Parosis

 

[KingKhan12]

LOL , total rubbish... If Hari Singh was so anti muslim he would have joined India immediately, he joined India because Jinnah was on a war path to conquer his land.. SHoooo Stop your lies , However keep telling the rubbish to yourself if it makes you sleep better at night...

Yes everything is a lie which don't suit you.
All the Muslims massacre that took place by Hari Singh is all a lie only truth is the Kashmiri Pandits.
And I don't need to tell myself rubbish that's. Your comment shows your mentality and that's how you RSS extremists respond when someone states facts and truth which you can't answer and hits your nerve.
And lol at Jinnah was at a war path to conquer his land. What rubbish. So Jinnah should've sat peacefully watching Muslims getting massacred in Jammu and Kashmir. What you make of Hari Singh massacres of Muslims that's all fine you won't talk about that. If Hari Singh wasn't anti Muslim why was he involved in these massacres of Muslims. Obviously he wanted Muslims in minority which he managed to do in Jammu where Muslims where majority.


And you didn't answer my question about your opinion of India revoking article 370 as Hari Singh only signed to join India because of Article 370 and India later approached the United Nations, asking it to resolve the dispute, and resolutions were passed in favour of the holding of a plebiscite with regard to Kashmir's future.

 

[IndianExpat]

Yes everything is a lie which don't suit you.
All the Muslims massacre that took place by Hari Singh is all a lie only truth is the Kashmiri Pandits.
And I don't need to tell myself rubbish that's. Your comment shows your mentality and that's how you RSS extremists respond when someone states facts and truth which you can't answer and hits your nerve.
And lol at Jinnah was at a war path to conquer his land. What rubbish. So Jinnah should've sat peacefully watching Muslims getting massacred in Jammu and Kashmir. What you make of Hari Singh massacres of Muslims that's all fine you won't talk about that. If Hari Singh wasn't anti Muslim why was he involved in these massacres of Muslims. Obviously he wanted Muslims in minority which he managed to do in Jammu where Muslims where majority.


And you didn't answer my question about your opinion of India revoking article 370 as Hari Singh only signed to join India because of Article 370 and India later approached the United Nations, asking it to resolve the dispute, and resolutions were passed in favour of the holding of a plebiscite with regard to Kashmir's future.

Violence and massacres based on religion are a terrible tragedy that is part of Partition history. Lots of hindus and muslims died as part of that. Pakistanis and muslims do not have a monopoly on that tragedy. 70 years later, it behooves all in the region to build a better today and tomorrow. Not try to re-draw borders in blood.

 

[IndianExpat]

Yes everything is a lie which don't suit you.
Hari Singh only signed to join India because of Article 370 and India later approached the United Nations, asking it to resolve the dispute, and resolutions were passed in favour of the holding of a plebiscite with regard to Kashmir's future.

Article 370 was explicitly temporary. It says so in the law that created it. Regarding "plebiscite", it requires Pakistan to hand over all of PoK to India, including the part that it sold off to the Chinese, as a pre-condition for plebiscite. And 70 years later, there have been so many demographic and historical changes, that asking for "plebiscite" is as foolish as it is unrealistic.

Instead of fantasizing about re-doing partition, we should all be working together to ensure peace, security and better lives for Kashmiris.

Instead, you have people throwing grenades in shopping centres, 2 year old children getting shot because their family dared to harvest apples from their farms, schools being burned down - these are not the actions of people fighting "oppression" these are the actions of those who want to keep the pot boiling.

 

[cric_man]

Yes everything is a lie which don't suit you.
All the Muslims massacre that took place by Hari Singh is all a lie only truth is the Kashmiri Pandits.
And I don't need to tell myself rubbish that's. Your comment shows your mentality and that's how you RSS extremists respond when someone states facts and truth which you can't answer and hits your nerve.
And lol at Jinnah was at a war path to conquer his land. What rubbish. So Jinnah should've sat peacefully watching Muslims getting massacred in Jammu and Kashmir. What you make of Hari Singh massacres of Muslims that's all fine you won't talk about that. If Hari Singh wasn't anti Muslim why was he involved in these massacres of Muslims. Obviously he wanted Muslims in minority which he managed to do in Jammu where Muslims where majority.


And you didn't answer my question about your opinion of India revoking article 370 as Hari Singh only signed to join India because of Article 370 and India later approached the United Nations, asking it to resolve the dispute, and resolutions were passed in favour of the holding of a plebiscite with regard to Kashmir's future.

Chronological timeline of events that led to the Kashmir conflict.

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[KingKhan12]

Violence and massacres based on religion are a terrible tragedy that is part of Partition history. Lots of hindus and muslims died as part of that. Pakistanis and muslims do not have a monopoly on that tragedy. 70 years later, it behooves all in the region to build a better today and tomorrow. Not try to re-draw borders in blood.

Yes I know about the massacres that was part of the Partition which was a terrible tragedy. But Hari Singh was meant to be neutral as he wasn't siding with either Pakistan or India but he committed massacres of Muslims especially in Jammu as he didn't want majority Muslims.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Our resident Indian posters were saying things will be back to normal within days, Muslims in Kashmir will now start to live in Switzerland etc.

Doesn't seem the case so it was more of defending barbarism of their beloved nation, not any care for the Kashmiris.

We nearly in 2020, Hari Singh, Pandits are history. The people suffering now should given rights, no deflection can justify their rights being taken.