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Ramallah (West Bank): Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Saturday batted for a sovereign and independent Palestine in his maiden visit to the country, also the first by an Indian Prime Minister.

"I have assured President Abbas that India is committed to the Palestinian people's interests," Modi said during a joint address.

He said India hopes for return of peace in this region. "We know that it's not easy, but we should keep striving because a lot is at stake," he said.

The two sides also signed agreements worth around USD 50 million that includes setting up of a USD 30 million super specialty hospital after Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas received Prime Minister Modi in an official ceremony at the presidential compound, also known as Muqata'a, in Ramallah - the Palestinian seat of government.

On his part, President Abbas acknowledged that the Indian leadership has always stood by peace in Palestine. Abbas said Palestine is always ready to engage in negotiations to achieve its goal of an independent state. He asked India to facilitate the peace process with Israel.

"We rely on India's role as an international voice of great standing and weigh through its historical role in the Non-Aligned Movement and in all international forum and its increasingly growing power on the strategic and economic levels, in a way that is conducive to just and desired peace in our region," said President Abbas.

The two sides signed agreements worth USD 50 million. The agreement includes setting up of a super speciality hospital worth USD 30 million in Beit Sahur and construction of a centre for empowering women worth USD 5 million.

Three agreements in the education sector worth USD 5 million and for procurement of equipment and machinery for the National Printing Press in Ramallah were also signed.

President Abbas also conferred the 'Grand Collar of the State of Palestine' on Prime Minister Modi, recognising his key contribution to promote ties between India and Palestine.

The Grand Collar is the highest order given to foreign dignitaries - Kings, Heads of State/Government and persons of similar rank. Earlier, the two leaders exchanged hugs and stood for the national anthem of the two countries and then inspected the guard of honour before their bilateral talks.

"We will discuss the recent updates with Prime Minister Modi, and the recent developments in the peace process, the bilateral relations, and the regional situations. And the possible role India can play in enhancing peace in the region, as well as discussing different economical aspects beyond the existing ties we already possess," Abbas had told PTI earlier.

Describing India as a "very respected country in the international arena", the 82-year-old had said that India can have a possible role in creating a multilateral forum of negotiations between the Palestinians and Israelis to reach a final agreement.

According to Abbas, Modi's visit to the region reflects India's long-held position of supporting peace and stability in the region.

During his maiden visit to Israel last year, Modi did not travel to Ramallah, the Palestinian seat of government. His standalone visit to Israel had led to many analysts questioning the future of the Indo-Palestine ties.

This time Modi skipped Israel in a clear message that India is de-hyphenating its ties with Israel and Palestine.

Modi's visit to Palestine comes amid heightened tensions in the region after US President Donald Trump recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

The unilateral US decision to declare Jerusalem as the capital of Israel was challenged at the UN General Assembly where 128 nations, including India, voted to turn down the move as "null and void".

Trump's decision to declare Jerusalem as Israel's capital angered the Palestinians, sparked protests in the Middle East and raised concern that it could further destabilise the region.

Though India has shied away from becoming a party in the Israel-Palestinian conflict, the Palestinian leader on several occasions has stressed on a possible role for New Delhi in the Middle East peace process.

India believes in a two-state solution in which both Israel and a future Palestinian state coexist peacefully.

The two-state solution envisions independent Israeli and Palestinian states coexisting side by side peacefully. The Palestinians see east Jerusalem as their future capital.

(With PTI inputs)
http://www.news18.com/news/india/in...-palestine-says-pm-narendra-modi-1656711.html
 
Modi conferred ‘Grand Collar of the State of Palestine’

Prime Minister Narendra Modi was today conferred the ‘Grand Collar of the State of Palestine’ by President Mahmoud Abbas, recognising his key contribution to promote relations between India and Palestine.

President Abbas conferred the Grand Collar of the State of Palestine on Mr. Modi after the conclusion of the bilateral meeting between the two leaders.

Mr. Modi is the first Indian Prime Minister to make an official visit to Palestine.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...of-the-state-of-palestine/article22714293.ece

Proud moment for us. I'd like to know how others see this diplomatic move.
 
Lip service. The boat for 'sovereign, independent Palestine' has long since sailed.
Levant is pretty much Israel now and most likely for far beyond our lifetimes.
 
Modi conferred ‘Grand Collar of the State of Palestine’

Prime Minister Narendra Modi was today conferred the ‘Grand Collar of the State of Palestine’ by President Mahmoud Abbas, recognising his key contribution to promote relations between India and Palestine.

President Abbas conferred the Grand Collar of the State of Palestine on Mr. Modi after the conclusion of the bilateral meeting between the two leaders.

Mr. Modi is the first Indian Prime Minister to make an official visit to Palestine.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...of-the-state-of-palestine/article22714293.ece

Proud moment for us. I'd like to know how others see this diplomatic move.


Grand collar ??!!?

They have a grand national dog or something ?!?
 
Grand collar ??!!?

They have a grand national dog or something ?!?

Lol. Well the British have issued collars. So why shouldnt Palestine do it.
How do you see the diplomatic angle of this?
 
Palestine give their highest award to Narendra Modi

On the first ever visit by an Indian Prime Minister to Palestine, Prime Minister Narendra Modi was on Saturday conferred with the Grand Collar of the State of Palestine, a rare honour for a foreign dignitary.

Commendation of Grand Collar read, “in recognition of his wise leadership, lofty national & international stature, in appreciation of his efforts to promote historic relations between Palestine and India; in acknowledgement of his support to our peoples’ right to freedom so peace prevails in region.’’

Palestine President Mahmoud Abbas met Mr. Modi and conferred the honour upon him after conclusion of bilateral talks. The honour was bestowed upon Mr. Modi in recognition of his contribution to relations between India and Palestine. The Grand Collar is Highest order given to a foreign dignitary.

Earlier, Mr. Modi reached Ramallah in a chopper from Amman which was escorted by Royal Jordanian choppers and Israeli choppers.He was accorded ceremonial guard of honour at Al-Muqata’a, compound of the presidential headquarters in Palestine’s Ramallah.

https://www.centralchronicle.com/pm...te-of-palestine-bilateral-talks-conclude.html
 
This is going to be beyond hilarious now :)))

On a series note, good job by Palestine. We Indians appreciate it.
 
Lol. Well the British have issued collars. So why shouldnt Palestine do it.
How do you see the diplomatic angle of this?

Nothing new.
In a nutshell, it will probably be like this:

Modi : Bibi !! Shalom ! How goes the Jerusalem relocation ?

Bibi : Namaste !! Good. Will take time you know - too much Palestinians infesting our holy city. But we are getting there. I hear you said you support Palestine's sovereignty ?

Modi: Hey man, I also support democracy in China. Doesn't mean its happening !

Bibi: HAHAHAHA.....but still...when you said it, it hurt my feelings.

Modi: Bro, I have 175 MILLION muslims to appease in my country...can't be totally, completely, 100% behind 'the evil jews' with so many Muslims in my country. Here. Let me make it up to you - let me pay you some $$ for more Barack-2 missiles.

Bibi: throw in Goa vacation package for my IDF troops and we can call it a deal.

Modi: Deal !!
 
Just goes to show that Palestinian state doesn't care about the Indian Muslims or Indian State terrorism in Kashmir.

Every country is concerned with it's own benefit apart from Pakistan.
 
Just goes to show that Palestinian state doesn't care about the Indian Muslims or Indian State terrorism in Kashmir.

Every country is concerned with it's own benefit apart from Pakistan.

Only Pakistanis think about everything from a religious lens, why do you care only about Indian Muslims? What about Indian Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Jews and Zoroastrians.

Palestinians see it as territorial issue in which India is supporting them, so they value and cherish their relationship with ALL Indians regardless of religion.
 
All the Punjabis I know hate India. I even know one who took a crap on Indian flag and posted it on his Snapchat after Jaggi was arbitrarily arrested.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...or-uk-national-jaggi/articleshow/61698497.cms

So, What is your point? Every Khalistani will be jailed just like Baloch freedom fighters are made to disappear in Pakistan, do you want me to post Baloch freedom fighter articles or facebook pages?

Get to the topic of Palestine and India relations and Modi getting the highest award.
 
Nothing new.
In a nutshell, it will probably be like this:

Modi : Bibi !! Shalom ! How goes the Jerusalem relocation ?

Bibi : Namaste !! Good. Will take time you know - too much Palestinians infesting our holy city. But we are getting there. I hear you said you support Palestine's sovereignty ?

Modi: Hey man, I also support democracy in China. Doesn't mean its happening !

Bibi: HAHAHAHA.....but still...when you said it, it hurt my feelings.

Modi: Bro, I have 175 MILLION muslims to appease in my country...can't be totally, completely, 100% behind 'the evil jews' with so many Muslims in my country. Here. Let me make it up to you - let me pay you some $$ for more Barack-2 missiles.

Bibi: throw in Goa vacation package for my IDF troops and we can call it a deal.

Modi: Deal !!

I'm not sure it is to appease the Muslim population of India. I think it has something to do with the global image. This is a very strong statement. India has nothing much to gain financially from diplomacy with Palestine. I welcome this move by the PM.
 
I'm not sure it is to appease the Muslim population of India. I think it has something to do with the global image. This is a very strong statement. India has nothing much to gain financially from diplomacy with Palestine. I welcome this move by the PM.

You may be right - it may be to keep India's arab allies and further weaken Pakistani 'comrade-ship' with Islam's heatland.

Its not a very strong statement IMO because its a statement that everyone knows will never see the light of the day.
Even if Israel gave whatever honey-combed remains of west-bank sovereignty, it will still fail because of all the zone A,B,C etc. that will remain under Israeli control. So its a meaningless pure-brownie-point-scoring statement.
 
All the Punjabis I know hate India. I even know one who took a crap on Indian flag and posted it on his Snapchat after Jaggi was arbitrarily arrested.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...or-uk-national-jaggi/articleshow/61698497.cms

Yeah no ,we don't,if you are talking specifically about Sikhs again so many in armed forced and across India so again incorrect,even the ones on this forum will tell that to you India is their Homeland.

These random examples you give are similar to Sindhis in Pak.
 
All the American Pakistani Punjabis I know hate their paindoo roots from Pakistan and like to call themselves ethnic Amriki. [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]
 
You may be right - it may be to keep India's arab allies and further weaken Pakistani 'comrade-ship' with Islam's heatland.

Its not a very strong statement IMO because its a statement that everyone knows will never see the light of the day.
Even if Israel gave whatever honey-combed remains of west-bank sovereignty, it will still fail because of all the zone A,B,C etc. that will remain under Israeli control. So its a meaningless pure-brownie-point-scoring statement.

I mean, strong statement in the sense that it'll silence some of the critics back home in India and also at the global level. The Modi-Netanyahu friendship got plenty of coverage in the press and there were some questions about India's future relations with Palestine. The message is that Israel may be our close friend but that doesn't mean Palestine is our enemy. We wish to maintain good relations with them as well. Reminds me of the non-alignment stand.
 
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I mean, strong statement in the sense that it'll silence some of the critics back home in India and also at the global level. The Modi-Netanyahu friendship got plenty of coverage in the press and there were some questions about India's future relations with Palestine. The message is that Israel may be our close friend but that doesn't mean Palestine is our enemy. We wish to maintain good relations with them as well. Reminds me of the non-alignment stand.

Well said. India plays the diplomacy game well.
 
Mutually beneficial arrangement. Modi improves his image, while Palestine gets diplomatic support statements from India.
 
The Palestinian authority has been corrupt for a long time now, this is the usual pandering to any leadership in the hope of getting aid they can steal from the people.

The Palestinian people have little love for Modi or his extremist party.
 
Lip service. The boat for 'sovereign, independent Palestine' has long since sailed.
Levant is pretty much Israel now and most likely for far beyond our lifetimes.

Do you support the Jewish state? Should it have existed and are it's policies regarding religion correct?
 
Yeah no ,we don't,if you are talking specifically about Sikhs again so many in armed forced and across India so again incorrect,even the ones on this forum will tell that to you India is their Homeland.

These random examples you give are similar to Sindhis in Pak.

I was only talking about Sikhs.
 
Palestinian government giving an award to Modi doesnt mean much. The govt is not really representative of its people. Its like saying Nawaz Sharif use to represent the population of Pakistan in all of its actions and the population endorsed every of his action. This is not true.
 
Palestinians make fun of indians behind their backs, i know cause I have many Palestinians at my college.
 
Palestinian government giving an award to Modi doesnt mean much. The govt is not really representative of its people. Its like saying Nawaz Sharif use to represent the population of Pakistan in all of its actions and the population endorsed every of his action. This is not true.

And you represent the palestinians?
 
Palestinians make fun of indians behind their backs, i know cause I have many Palestinians at my college.

Right , (rolls eyes) and you’re friends represent all of Palestine and they have personal connections with Indians to even talk about them in random conversations to Pakistanis
 
The burn is so evident among a few posters its laughable.

PLA doesnt represent Palestinians but some posters on PP do. This is funny :))

They will also tell Ashraf Ghani doesnt represent Afghans or Al Sauds dont represent Saudis and so on.
 
Do you support the Jewish state?

Yes.

Should it have existed and are it's policies regarding religion correct?

Should it have existed ? Nope. It shouldn't have. But its done. It exists. Millions have been born into the said state. Just like Pakistan shouldn't have existed, but does and i accept its existence, same applies to Israel.
 
Yes.



Should it have existed ? Nope. It shouldn't have. But its done. It exists. Millions have been born into the said state. Just like Pakistan shouldn't have existed, but does and i accept its existence, same applies to Israel.

What kind of athiest are you? You support a state for people based on religion. You support any Jew coming from anywhere in the world to take occupied land based on a book?
 
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What kind of athiest are you? You support a state for people based on religion.

Israel has a secular constitution.


You support any Jew coming from anywhere in the world to take occupied land based on a book?

If Israel allows immigration & naturalization of foreigners, its nothing extraordinary, practically every western nation allows this. This is how I became Canadian, you/your parents/grandparents became British. Why should I oppose a process i agree with and am part of ?!
 
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Israel has a secular constitution.




If Israel allows immigration & naturalization of foreigners, its nothing extraordinary, practically every western nation allows this. This is how I became Canadian, you/your parents/grandparents became British. Why should I oppose a process i agree with and am part of ?!

Pakistan is in a better position than Bangladesh. You have made hypocritical comments so i'ts a fair assumption.

Israel is not secular, just claims but policies are not secular.

https://www.haaretz.com/1.5418241

Israel allows ONLY Jews to enter and set up home. It's daft to compare this to other immigration where religion is not used as a starting point.
 
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Pakistan is in a better position than Bangladesh. You have made hypocritical comments so i'ts a fair assumption.

I have made no hypocritical comments. And i dont see what Pakistan is better at than Bangladesh, except spreading terrorism.

Israel is not secular, just claims but policies are not secular.

https://www.haaretz.com/1.5418241

Israel allows ONLY Jews to enter and set up home. It's daft to compare this to other immigration where religion is not used as a starting point.

Israel doesn't allow ONLY jews to enter and set-up home. Thats the preffered route yes, but if you marry an Israeli, you can become naturalized Israeli citizen- even if you are not jewish yourself.

As per secular or not, its pretty clear that israel's a secular nation.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Israel...mocracy-or-modern-secular-nation-state-384988

Israel's secularism is similar to Turkey's secularism pre-Erdogan : Turkey was a secular muslim nation, Israel is a secular jewish nation.
 
Politics make strange bedfellows. In international diplomacy, there are no friends, no enemies, only mutual interests, which can change from minute to minute.
 
Just goes to show that Palestinian state doesn't care about the Indian Muslims or Indian State terrorism in Kashmir.

Every country is concerned with it's own benefit apart from Pakistan.

Except Pakistan? Dont we bomb Afghans through Afghan Taliban?
 
I have never claimed to. Why do you sound so hurt? I only presented a logical point.

Logical point? You can say as a Pakistani Sharif doesnt represent you. Thats logical.

But as a Pakistani saying PLA doesnt represent Palestinians is illogical.
 
What kind of athiest are you? You support a state for people based on religion. You support any Jew coming from anywhere in the world to take occupied land based on a book?

It's incredible.

He doesn’t realise, that Pakistan, along with Israel, are nations (states) created based on religion. He will happily attack Pakistan claiming Islam will keep Pakistan in the dark ages, but support a Jewish state because Judaism is better than Islam. I bet he is Googling now just to check. He talks of Religious/State separation, then completely undermines his view by stating he supports a Jewish state.
Any credible Atheists would have said they support a secular Israeli democratic state.

Unreal.
 
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Israel has a secular constitution.




If Israel allows immigration & naturalization of foreigners, its nothing extraordinary, practically every western nation allows this. This is how I became Canadian, you/your parents/grandparents became British. Why should I oppose a process i agree with and am part of ?!



Its always amusing how much denial Pakistanis have, that any dissenting voice must be an Indian troll. I guess this is why India is leaving Pakistan in the dust, even in the heartland of Islam, in geopolitics.

I am as much Indian, as you are Bangladeshi. Not my problem that the only way you can rationalize my comments is via an 'evil Indian' lens. Maybe this is why Islam and Pakistan are such a mess, because critique is instantly branded as the 'enemy pretending to be one of our own'.
Standard denial tactic.

You are wrong on so many levels. Don't trust Google.

Did you know Israel does not recognise any marriage unless it is between two Jews? Secular and demographic my backside.
 
Pakistan is in a better position than Bangladesh. You have made hypocritical comments so i'ts a fair assumption.

Israel is not secular, just claims but policies are not secular.

https://www.haaretz.com/1.5418241

Israel allows ONLY Jews to enter and set up home. It's daft to compare this to other immigration where religion is not used as a starting point.

Yup, and only Jews can claim citizenship, through Jus sanguinis.
 
It's incredible.

He doesn’t realise, that Pakistan, along with Israel, are nations (states) created based on religion. He will happily attack Pakistan claiming Islam will keep Pakistan in the dark ages, but support a Jewish state because Judaism is better than Islam.

1. Israel has a secular constitution. Pakistan is officially a theocratic state. This difference matters greatly to an atheist.
I already said that Israel shouldn't have been founded- just like Pakistan shouldn't have been founded, because as an atheist, i oppose the notion of making a country because of imaginary friends in the sky.


I bet he is Googling now just to check. He talks of Religious/State separation, then completely undermines his view by stating he supports a Jewish state.

Because the are constitutionally, secular.
 
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You are wrong on so many levels. Don't trust Google.

Did you know Israel does not recognise any marriage unless it is between two Jews? Secular and demographic my backside.

False. I personally know jews who've married non-jews and moved back to Israel with citizenship for their non-jewish partners.

They just have to have a Rabbi sign off on the wedding, thats it.

Don't believe all the anti-jewish propaganda emanating from the mosques and Imams.
 
Pakistan is in a better position than Bangladesh. You have made hypocritical comments so i'ts a fair assumption.

Israel is not secular, just claims but policies are not secular.

https://www.haaretz.com/1.5418241

Israel allows ONLY Jews to enter and set up home. It's daft to compare this to other immigration where religion is not used as a starting point.

Pakistan is better than BD at what? Hosting cricket matches at home? Per capita income? GDP growth? Forex reserves? What?
 
False. I personally know jews who've married non-jews and moved back to Israel with citizenship for their non-jewish partners.

They just have to have a Rabbi sign off on the wedding, thats it.

Don't believe all the anti-jewish propaganda emanating from the mosques and Imams.

You talk about understanding English, did you miss the part where I said *recognise*?

You are just a wind up merchant.
 
You talk about understanding English, did you miss the part where I said *recognise*?

You are just a wind up merchant.

Speak for yourself, who makes comments without any evidence all the time.
If Israel didn't RECOGNIZE marriage betwen jews and non-jews, then they wouldn't be granting citizenship to the non-jew who is israeli SOLELY DUE TO MARRYING AN ISRAELI CITIZEN !!

You need to re-take O-level English at this rate.
 
Speak for yourself, who makes comments without any evidence all the time.
If Israel didn't RECOGNIZE marriage betwen jews and non-jews, then they wouldn't be granting citizenship to the non-jew who is israeli SOLELY DUE TO MARRYING AN ISRAELI CITIZEN !!

You need to re-take O-level English at this rate.

Wrong again. Jus sanguinis proves you wrong on so many levels. Jews marrying Jews are only recognised.

Your example fits into the typical *I have a friend* example. Fallacious.

By the way, O-level English doesn't exist any more.
 
Wrong again. Jus sanguinis proves you wrong on so many levels. Jews marrying Jews are only recognised.

Evidence please.

Your example fits into the typical *I have a friend* example. Fallacious.

By the way, O-level English doesn't exist any more.

You mean fallacies like your entire POV lacking citation in anything you've argued with me so far ?
Ok. Gotcha.

Time for you to justify your claims, kiddo.
 
Evidence please.

You are the master of Citation! I gave you two words that you can look up. First word begins with J, the second with S.


You mean fallacies like your entire POV lacking citation in anything you've argued with me so far ?
Ok. Gotcha.

Time for you to justify your claims, kiddo.

You have used the word Kiddo twice now.

Come on, just let it out, you are an Indian. :)
 
Modi trying to bring back the Delhi Sultanate LMAO

Pakistanis should go back to drinking Pepsi after this insult


Lets hope Immy K can bring this up in vocally and tell the Arabs Pakistan isn’t happy Kashmir has been forgotten about
 
You are the master of Citation! I gave you two words that you can look up. First word begins with J, the second with S.

So you have no evidence ? thought so. All empty words from you as usual, making thing sup as you go along.

You have used the word Kiddo twice now.

Come on, just let it out, you are an Indian. :)

Kiddo is an indian word ?! Okay then. Clutching at straws goes to a new level.
 
So you have no evidence ? thought so. All empty words from you as usual, making thing sup as you go along.

So you didn't look it up? Afraid too I guess, with all you citation prowess. Some scientist you are!


So
Kiddo is an indian word ?! Okay then. Clutching at straws goes to a new level.

Who said Kiddo is an Indian word? But Indians sure love to use it! :)
 
Wrong again. Jus sanguinis proves you wrong on so many levels. Jews marrying Jews are only recognised.

Your example fits into the typical *I have a friend* example. Fallacious.

By the way, O-level English doesn't exist any more.

Yup, and only Jews can claim citizenship, through Jus sanguinis.


Aren't you tired of being proven wrong, over and over and over again ???

http://www.visa-law.co.il/immigration-to-israel/
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/mfa-archive/1950-1959/pages/law of return 5710-1950.aspx

Again, game, set match = me :)

Proven from official israeli websites, that you don't need to be a 'jew' to become an Israeli citizen.
 
So you didn't look it up? Afraid too I guess, with all you citation prowess. Some scientist you are!

So can you or can you not back up your claim ? yes or no only, please.
Don't be ashamed to admit that your views have no credibility, which is why you cannot present evidence for them even when asked.

Who said Kiddo is an Indian word? But Indians sure love to use it! :)


So do a lot of other people, kiddo.
 
So can you or can you not back up your claim ? yes or no only, please.
Don't be ashamed to admit that your views have no credibility, which is why you cannot present evidence for them even when asked.

I already cited the name of the principle on which Israeli citizenship is granted and marriages recognised. Some scientist you are who cannot see it, or research it.

Want me to spoon feed you your dinner too?


So do a lot of other people, kiddo.

Yeah, another billion or so Indians. :)
 
Aren't you tired of being proven wrong, over and over and over again ???

http://www.visa-law.co.il/immigration-to-israel/
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/mfa-archive/1950-1959/pages/law of return 5710-1950.aspx

Again, game, set match = me :)

Proven from official israeli websites, that you don't need to be a 'jew' to become an Israeli citizen.

Read your links.

Based on the above laws, immigration to Israel is mainly possible per Aliyah process, a process available to Zakaey Shvut , persons eligible under The Law of Return with Jewish roots. Clause 4A(a) of the Law of Return states as follows:

“ The rights of a Jew under this law, and the rights of an Ole under the Citizenship Law -1952, and the rights of a Ole under any other law, are given to the child or grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew the spouse of a child and grandchild of a Jew; Except a person who was born Jewish and out of his free will converted his religion.

Anyone can cite links, reading them first helps!

Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
I already cited the name of the principle on which Israeli citizenship is granted and marriages recognised. Some scientist you are who cannot see it, or research it.

You didn't cite squat. You CLAIMED something. Same claim, proven false. So are you able to substantiate your claim or not - Yes/no only please.

Want me to spoon feed you your dinner too?

Just backing up by citation would suffice. Basic evidential principle.


Yeah, another billion or so Indians. :)

and a billion or so other English speakers too.
 
Read your links.



If you bothered to read, the citation is for those who DO NOT satisfy the return of Jews.

Again, from the link i cited (official Israeli government link):

"In accordance with the law, Israeli citizenship is granted by eligibility under the Law of Return, by eligibility due to residence in Israel prior to the establishment of the country, and by birth (if the person does not hold other citizenships). Clause 5 of the Citizenship Law details the option of becoming a citizen for ineligible persons. Persons seeking citizenship per clause 5 must meet the following:
1. Residence in Israel for 3 out of the 5 years prior to the citizenship request under a permanent residence status.
2. Knowledge of the Hebrew language.
3. Willingness to waive other citizenships.

Clause 5 thereby limits the options of becoming a citizen since the Law of Entry to Israel, which determines the entry and stay of foreigners, details rare cases of eligibility for permanent residence."

Anyone can cite links, reading them first helps!

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Anyone except you, it seems, since you are an abject failure in citing evidence even when called upon to do so.
 
I didn't mention Jus sanguinis?

You are not even a scientist. Scientists read.

thats a claim. Not evidence.

Kindly educate yourself to the difference between a claim and evidence.

Here, i will help you:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/claim?s=t
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/evidence?s=t
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/citation?s=t

Too bad there is no more O-level English for you to rectify your comprehension problems. Perhaps basic ESL would be a step in the right direction ?
 
If you bothered to read, the citation is for those who DO NOT satisfy the return of Jews.

Again, from the link i cited (official Israeli government link):

"In accordance with the law, Israeli citizenship is granted by eligibility under the Law of Return, by eligibility due to residence in Israel prior to the establishment of the country, and by birth (if the person does not hold other citizenships). Clause 5 of the Citizenship Law details the option of becoming a citizen for ineligible persons. Persons seeking citizenship per clause 5 must meet the following:
1. Residence in Israel for 3 out of the 5 years prior to the citizenship request under a permanent residence status.
2. Knowledge of the Hebrew language.
3. Willingness to waive other citizenships.

Clause 5 thereby limits the options of becoming a citizen since the Law of Entry to Israel, which determines the entry and stay of foreigners, details rare cases of eligibility for permanent residence."



Anyone except you, it seems, since you are an abject failure in citing evidence even when called upon to do so.

All of the above are applicable only to a Jew. In other words a Jew must meet the criteria above if they want Israeli citizenship. Read the preface of the very link you cite!

You really are struggling.
 
thats a claim. Not evidence.

Kindly educate yourself to the difference between a claim and evidence.

Here, i will help you:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/claim?s=t
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/evidence?s=t
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/citation?s=t

Too bad there is no more O-level English for you to rectify your comprehension problems. Perhaps basic ESL would be a step in the right direction ?

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What are you bleating on about?

I didn't claim I made a citation, I said I mentioned the principle.

You are defiantly not a scientist.
 
:facepalm:

What are you bleating on about?

I didn't claim I made a citation, I said I mentioned the principle.

You are defiantly not a scientist.

You CLAIMED a principle, which you were unable to justify via citation.

And nice try to wiggle out, you said ' I already cited the name of the principle on which Israeli citizenship is granted and marriages recognised.'

Post # 59.

Yet, you didn't cite anything, as evidenced by the definition of citations.

Now you are saying you didnt claim you made a citation. Despite everyone seeing that you said ' i cited....'.

As i said, it doesnt make you a smaller man, but infact a bigger one, if you can admit your mistakes.
 
Is this guy for real? I mention the principle and I also have to cite it?

Not the traits of a scientist. No way.

Anything you claim, has to be cited. Thats the way of science, young man.

Further, you said you cited- i directly quoted you. Then you said you never said you cited. So which one is it ? Or are you too small-minded to admit your errors ?
 
Anything you claim, has to be cited. Thats the way of science, young man.

Further, you said you cited- i directly quoted you. Then you said you never said you cited. So which one is it ? Or are you too small-minded to admit your errors ?

Cite everything you said, and where. Don't mention it. (Using your logic).

You are not a scientist and never will be.
 
I have made no hypocritical comments. And i dont see what Pakistan is better at than Bangladesh, except spreading terrorism.



Israel doesn't allow ONLY jews to enter and set-up home. Thats the preffered route yes, but if you marry an Israeli, you can become naturalized Israeli citizen- even if you are not jewish yourself.

As per secular or not, its pretty clear that israel's a secular nation.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Israel...mocracy-or-modern-secular-nation-state-384988

Israel's secularism is similar to Turkey's secularism pre-Erdogan : Turkey was a secular muslim nation, Israel is a secular jewish nation.

First you compared Israels immigration policy with the likes of the UK and now you claim they can arrive through marriage to a Jew. lol If a Jewish man marries a non-Jewish woman from abroad, their children will not be Jews and thus wont be able to marry in Israel.

There is no civil marriage law in Israel, it has to be done via a religous method. Do you agree with this and the above?

Israel is not secular, it's a state for Jews lol. There is no such thing as a secular Jewish nation as secularism separates itself from religion. This is the basic idiocy of the claim and if you were a true atheist you would get it but your stances on various topics have been so contradictory you are in a knot.
 
All of the above are applicable only to a Jew. In other words a Jew must meet the criteria above if they want Israeli citizenship. Read the preface of the very link you cite!

You really are struggling.

Another empty claim. Show us where it says its only applicable to Jews.

I have highlighted the part where it SPECIFICALLY SAYS THIS LAW IS FOR THOSE INELIGIBLE UNDER RETURN OF JEWS CLAUSE.
 
Cite everything you said, and where. Don't mention it. (Using your logic).

You are not a scientist and never will be.

I have already cited all my assertions. You are still batting at zero, kid.

Don't be jealous now - with age and education, you too can become good at citing and adapting your unfounded opinions with new evidence.
As an old proverb goes - those footsteps you see in the sand, in the path of life before you- those belong to me and other older ones than yourself.
 
First you compared Israels immigration policy with the likes of the UK and now you claim they can arrive through marriage to a Jew. lol If a Jewish man marries a non-Jewish woman from abroad, their children will not be Jews and thus wont be able to marry in Israel.

There is no civil marriage law in Israel, it has to be done via a religous method. Do you agree with this and the above?

Israel is not secular, it's a state for Jews lol. There is no such thing as a secular Jewish nation as secularism separates itself from religion. This is the basic idiocy of the claim and if you were a true atheist you would get it but your stances on various topics have been so contradictory you are in a knot.


yet again, empty claims with zero evidence.
I have already provided the Israeli government link that shows you don't have to be jewish to immigrate to Israel.

There is such a thing called Secular Jewish nation, because Jews officially consider themselves to be both a race and a religion. So under that definition, there can be a secular jewish nation, just like there can be a secular Belgian (a race of people) nation.
 
No citations, not even of what you claim, cannot take you seriously.

Double negative. Ie, thank you for admitting that my claims are serious and founded. I guess this is the closest you'll come to admitting defeat.

If a typo, then:
Only by you,because they contradict your unfounded opinions. Education will solve your ignorance.
 
Defo a troll on a wind up. There is no doubt.

A religious state can be secular at the same time? On what planet? In which language?

That's like saying someone is a BJP apologist but supports the separation of Religion and State.
 
Double negative. Ie, thank you for admitting that my claims are serious and founded. I guess this is the closest you'll come to admitting defeat.

If a typo, then:
Only by you,because they contradict your unfounded opinions. Education will solve your ignorance.

Ahhh the typo move. Totally imploded last time you claimed a typo.

Hehehe.

:)
 
Defo a troll on a wind up. There is no doubt.

A religious state can be secular at the same time? On what planet? In which language?

It is not a religious state, since 'Jew', to 'Jews' is not just a religious term but also a racial term. They consider themselves a race. So they can be secular.

That's like saying someone is a BJP apologist but supports the separation of Religion and State.

Irrelevant.
 
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