India does have its loopholes but I think they will still prefer England/NZ in Knockout more than Australia/Pakistan! Because history tells that Australia & Pakistan have won more championships! It is not that everything again lies in the same plane for England (Toss, Pitch, Short-boundaries...) Also they won't play the same way in knockouts as they do in group games/bilaterals!
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The death batting for us is really, really weak and will cost us on flat pitches. Yesterday in the last 10 overs, with 6 wickets in hand, we scored 63 runs. You think that wont cost us matches vs teams like Australia and England?
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Couldn't do it bro. It's NZ or bust for me.
If it's bust, then koi nahi, the Top 5 is about where I'd put us, at best, if I had to rank us anyway.
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England have performed below their best in this World Cup, at least prior to the India match. However, it doesn't make them an inferior team. India lost 3 successive ODIs to Australia at home prior to the World Cup, but that didn't make them a weak team and neither did it make Australia superior. Over a long period of time, England and India are easily the two best sides.
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A few days ago I came across a thread why English are chokers and cannot handle pressure in knockout games . That's when Pakistan had hopes of reaching semis.
Pakistan still has chances though by beating BD by 350 run margin and theoretically that's possible.
However I find it funny that moment Pakistan chances are slim , ENgland has been upgraded to a dangerous and deadly team in knockouts.
No consistancy in fans opinion and just like the team Pakistan they are "unpredictable" .
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All one needs to do see is see results between the two sides on odis encounters from world cup 2015.Champions Trophywas a fluke and as an Indian supporter i would much rather have Pakistan than England playing against us
India won 5 games with huge margins and Pakistan won just one game and that turned out to be çt final.
That surely sounds like a fluke .
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India like many other teams were experimenting before the WC.
England lost significant matches during the WC.
Although I don't agree India lost intentionally, but they lost a perfect chance to knock out England and give themselves an easier path to the finals. All Dhoni's fault.
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India’s wins in 2011 and 1983 were flukes. Come on dude you don’t win 4 games on the trot against top oppositions in foreign conditions. Grow up
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India should do fine. Its NZ the weakest.
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Kuldeep is a dud man. The sooner you realise, the better. I would take Ravindra Jadeja over him and i am not the greatest fan of Jadeja.
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You rate Jaddu not kuldeep? You need a complete toad to negate kuldeep. He is the only guy none of the top batsmen could pick from the hand.
Yeah but because of Kuldeep's lack of zip off these English pitches, batsmen who can't even read him from the hand are simply reading him off the pitch and playing him off the back foot.
He needs to work on this aspect of his bowling. I'm sure he'll get there. But it will take a few months.
People are restless! They want automatic performance and automatic results! Kuldeep playing in this world cup and learning the hard way will only improve him in future! Unfortunately we don't have 11 quality seasoned players READY to play a world cup! It cannot happen... We have to play with what we have (Even other teams do the same! Even Australia of 1999 won the world cup with average players like Damien Fleming playing a role in the key moment! We too won a world cup with a guy like Joginder Sharma becoming hero from nowhere! That is all what is needed to win a cup!)
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I dont rate either of them but between them i trust Jadeja. It is a myth that people can't read Kuldeep now. It was the case earlier and he used that advantage to reap wickets. Not the case anymore. Without mystery, his bowling lacks zip and hence batsman can line him up. Most important factor is, he is a mental ******. Any sign of aggression i won't be surprised if he cries again on the field. The surprise on his face after getting Jason Roy out tells the story of his mental state. This guy is a cannon fodder. And for stats, check his WC.
Jadeja epitomises what a bits and pieces cricketer is, too bad he didn't like what Manju didi said about him. He is neither a bowler nor a batsman who could be trusted, no wonder he isn't part of XI even when Kuldeep is dropped. Only his fielding has kept him near this Indian team or else he'd have been long forgotten.
As for Kuldeep, Jadeja doesn't belong to the planet Kuldeep is native of.
As for Kuldeep, Jadeja doesn't belong to the planet Kuldeep is native of.
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India lost the ODI series to Australia with their full-strength team.
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He has been one of the gem of the allrounder india has produced in test format in decades.just because of his declining form and finding better younger prospects at the same time have sidelined him doesnt mean he isnt good enough.
Yes he isnt good in LOI but he still is in indian Test side thats #1. Anyone who perfoms in Test cricket is by nomeans bits and pieces player.
Right now best example of bits and pieces player comes to my mind is "fakhar Zaman"
I think the WC is played in ODI format and hence by default we were discussing the ODI format, weren't we?
Who has ever said anything about his test credentials?
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Actually Australia have won more matches, and England just overtook India again.
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Now that you are into technicalities , Eng has not overtaken India. They are tied 6 matches each with England playing one more match and losing 2 more. So, yeah they are behind India.
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India will beat England in a knockout match 9/10.
Vs Australia it's 50/50
Vs Australia it's 50/50
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New Zealand will be a walk over for Australia mark my words. Such a disgrace that they got lucky and their match against India got washed out otherwise they would be on the flight back home.
India will certainly not be a walk over for England, especially if India bat first or there is something in the pitch for the bowlers.
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No Hardik at all, no Chahal.
Experimentations with both batting and bowling combinations throughout the series.
And even it if was full strength, it is false equivalence to compare world cup warmup matches with matches in the world cup itself. Amir's form is a good example of how different those are.
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He was referring to the ODI rankings.
If India beats Eng in the semis, the #1 and #2 spots will flip again. Those rankings are too close for fans of either team to gloat about it.
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And one month back, india beat Australia in Australia in both odi and test series.
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Oh. My apologies then to [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] then. But that post of him was an unwanted troll attempt.
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Actually Chahal did play 4th ODI and went for 80 runs in 10 overs with 1 wicket.
Australia was without Smith and Warner and surely Hardik and Chahal arent anywhere close to the class as these two.
Bilateral wins or losses wouldn't amount to anything come the SF time so there's no point. Indian batting lineup looks stronger with the addition of Pant and benching Jadav. Will they give a chance to Mayank and move Rahul to 4 to make it more dynamic or will they stick to DK? The only worry for India now is the Shami/Kuldeep/Jadeja conundrum. Shami picks wickets but is a mental midget during death overs. Kuldeep's pace is too slow for those wickets and he's clearly out of confidence. Jadeja is a darter that doesn't pick wickets. Rest of the line up is fine and I expect India to win if they bat first. Chasing could be tough and depends on Shami/Kuldeep/Jadeja. Chasing anything over 300 is very tough.
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Need Shami to finish his quota before 40 overs. He just bleeds at death overs.
Then Pandya has to bowl in tandem with Bhuvi and Bumrah at the death. Remember, England starts hitting after 35 overs. In the last 2 years, that's where Kuldeep would pick wickets. It's a set back with him ineffective.
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I might be among the minority but Kuldeep should not be in the team. He has been negated and is being blasted. And i hate mental midgets.. Rahul, Shami are others. These 3 should be ousted from the team after WC. Shami should play tests.
They won't play Kuldeep against Eng. That's for sure. It's the same ground but apparently on a different pitch with 70 m boundaries. It's also a fresh pitch. Considering how it went so far in the last 4 games, India will go with 3 seamers unless Jaddu is in contention to just stem the run flow and add some batting depth. Shami's wickets will be missed though. It's a bad dilemma
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So both teams were understrength then?
Mamoon thinks that makes those matches the same as WC.
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Indian fans have forgotten how ENG batsmen manhandled Kuldeep in the recent ODI series in ENG. I'm done with this mental midget and will have Jadeja in his place any day when playing against top teams. This kid is averaging 50 something in this WC and fans are so blind to see the facts. We'll be doomed if he plays against ENG and AUS in WC again. Rahul Chahar will soon replace him in the national side.
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Yes. Corrected. My bad.
Thank god, you're nowhere near team management!
Poor analogy. Smith and Warner were paying for their misdeeds while Hardik & Chahal were rested. Besides, you seriously can't compare what Chahal & Hardik, the ODI players with Smith, the ODI player.
Where do you get these ideas from?
Imagine going through a bitter, publicly fought divorce where your ex-wife makes police cases against you and your family. Puts criminal charges against you and tries to even accuse you of fixing.
Imagine the kind of mental and emotional pressure he was going through.
And after all that he went on to have his best season ever in test cricket, had his best season ever in IPL and now has 14 wickets from 4 WC matches. And you find him to be a "mental midget"...
God save your enemies because you must be the bravest, baddest man on Earth!!!
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Shami was a poor death bowler even before marriage let alone divorce
It was clearly written by me that Shami should play tests. In this WC , the only couple of times batsmen attacked him , he bled. 44 runs in last 3 overs against Eng, 35 runs in last 3 overs against Ban when they were already 6 down and way behind asking rate. These are not random occurences and it happens every time. It just offsets the advantage of his early wickets.
You are overthinking. They are mental midgets in cricketing context. Any sign of aggression from batsmen, his line and length goes awry and batsmen would do the rest of the flogging.
Is there some special part of the brain that only works during cricket matches?
What you're saying makes zero sense.
Mental makeup of a person isn't as narrow as you're making it out to be. You're completely ignoring the larger picture and how much he has overcome and only looking at his death bowling. What kind of logic is that?
All you are doing is, through your tunnel vision, coming to conclusions that align with your preconceived ideas about somebody.
Like you said, Shami has always been expensive at the death. That's because he lacks the skill for death bowling. He only has an off-cutter as his variation. He doesn't have any other kind of cutters, slower balls, knuckle balls, etc. And he is not as good as Bumrah or Bhuvi with hitting those yorkers every time.
Shami's death over troubles is due to his lack of skills for that role. Not because he lacks mental toughness like you are claiming.
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If it is only lack of skill, he should still try to bowl the necessary types of deliveries at death, right? Instead he bowls half trackers, into batsmens arc etc which he won't be bowling at the start. That does mean he is not the same person at the fag end of the innings as at the start. So i believe he is mentally not capable to think properly when attacked.
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NZ is the easiest prey possibly. India is second easiest.
Toughest teams are England and Australia.
Toughest teams are England and Australia.
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Tougher team lost 3 matches and easiest prey ,currently n.o 1 odi side, lost only one, and that too when they knew this England match result won't bother
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I thought we were talkinng about him being called bits and pieces player, not an odi player but player...thus as him being a cricket player is questioned his credentials everywhere comes into question
lol, not true.
Obviously with WC going on, Manju didi was talking about Jadeja, the ODI player which is totally different entity from Jadeja, the test player.
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If we play against England then we need to go with 3 seamers. Start with Shami and bhuvi and get Shami over with within 30 overs. He should not be handed the cricket ball after 30th over. Shami is a beast when the ball is new and degrades heavily as the ball gets older.
And use Bumrah sparingly when we need wickets.
And use Bumrah sparingly when we need wickets.
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We have won already 2 times and ENG are yet to win even once. This time they would be placing sooo much expectations and hence would be under lot of pressure straight away even if they would be batting first .We need to be at our best and exploit this to our advantage.So we should play with a nothing to lose
attitude.
attitude.
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This is a joke.
India’s among the most dangerous teams going into the semis and any serious contender would want to face us last.
The cowardice and negativity of Indian fans has reached an all time low.
Shame on you little weasels
India’s among the most dangerous teams going into the semis and any serious contender would want to face us last.
The cowardice and negativity of Indian fans has reached an all time low.
Shame on you little weasels
And neither are the batsmen. Batsmen try to hit very differently and in different areas at the death as compared to the first or second PP.
Plus, he doesn't bowl "half trackers". He bowls full or back of the length - exactly the lengths he bowls during the 1st PP. That's just his length. It's not like he loses his line and length at the death. It's just that batsmen attack that length at the death.
Please go check the footage of Shami's bowling from the last 2 games and see how often he bowled at the pads in the death overs. What you will find is that he hardly missed his line.
So I don't know what kind of mental handicap Shami has that under pressure his bowling line didn't get affected but his length - as per you - went for a toss.
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If Pakistan were in the semis , teams would rather face them than India.
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whoever writes this kind of post is either just bored with his life or clealry has something aganist this indian team . India has been winning games easily in this worldcup & even before the worldcup we were the best touring nation. Even on a loosing cause aganist england we scored 300. Your favourites engoland failed to score 238 which is absurd. Australia middle order is as good as garbage , NZ barely got in semis but nah lets attack the indian team in every way we can lol. such maturness & pityness wont help your team qualify
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so you are saying that isnt the same case with every single team. take out babar & haris & your team wouldnt score 100. how about focusing on your own team? hard task ?
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you are funny saying that australia is toughest. take 30/2 those aussies wont cross 150. mark my words your theories will fail in the semis. they barely have two good bowlers. see them off & you can score freely off them. Strongest lmao jokes.
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Indian team is a beast bilateral team. The thing is that they lack grit and killer instincts of Aus, skills of Eng and tactical shrewdness of Nz.
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Exactly.
This is such a stupid statement by all means
Get any team 30/3 Ina pressure match very few have the talent and guts to get out of it.
Funny thing is MS Dhoni is exactly the player you want in a situation like that.
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He is not the same at slog overs means he has not got the control over his length. It is one thing bowling his stock ball and getting hit but completely different thing when you bowl an afterthought halftracker and getting tonked by a number 8 batsman. Because the halftracker, he won't normally bowl during initial overs. The point is, he doesn't have control over his length. And yes, if you think Shami is a great death bowler, good for you.
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True India is top order collapse away from a disaster and may happen in Semi finals.
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Its surprising that Pak lost to us in league with all the issues in indian team.
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I wonder if the Indian fans on this forum are Indian at all. Exceptionally surprised to see the negativity about our team which has achieved so much in recent years
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Bhai I an Indian from Pune, Maharashtra and its not about negetivity.
But its sad to see there was a time when Pathan, Bhajji, Agarkar used to hot bondries in late overs now players struggle for singles, if as a fan you are IK with it so be it.
But its sad to see there was a time when Pathan, Bhajji, Agarkar used to hot bondries in late overs now players struggle for singles, if as a fan you are IK with it so be it.
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Let's call this thread for what it really is: an anti jinx attempt from the Indian fans. Not falling for this :kholi
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I think NZ is the weakest of the semi finalists. For moment think if they didn't have washed out game against India and Carlos hit had another 6 inches in it, they be sitting at 8 points.
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Just to remind you, Agarkar was also known as Bombay duck for scoring seven consecutive ducks.
And Bhajji would swing a few for sure , but that's about it. He surely was no Lance Klusener.
As for Pathan, he was one promising Indian cricketer who lost his mojo too soon in his career.
None of these players made any great impact as lower order batsmen. Hardik Pandya is already much further along the way. So I really don't know what you are talking about
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yeah against west indies. such achievement.
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SO its Ind vs NZ. Hopefully this wont be a washout and we will get an entertaining game
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Ferguson and Boult masterclass coming vs India 
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Surprised by the comments here, why Pakistan couldn't beat a mediocre Indian team, remove Williamson & Taylor nz batting? Remove finch & warner aus batting?, every team has strengths and weaknesses, India is the only team which played better cricket, for Pakistan fans who keeps on spitting venom against India now the situation is a Bangladesh victory against India is a upset, but a Bangladesh victory against Pakistan is no more a upset, your team is not a match for India don't you have any shame that your team won only 5 of the last 20 matches?, to all shameless fellow Indian fans who keeps on posting negativety India is one of the favourites to win the world cup and they are playing rightly so, the players know what to do we can all shut our mouth because we can only talk, so seeing this if India looses the knockout India will be a overrated team, if India wins India has fixed the world cup.
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