India - The new chokers in town?

[iPakistani]

India in ICC Tournaments:

Men T20 WC 2014:Final Lost

Men WC 2015: Semi Final Lost

Men T20 WC 2016: Semi Final Lost

U19 WC 2016: Final Lost

Champions Trophy 2017: Final Lost

Men WC 2019: Semi Final Lost

U19 WC 2020: Final Lost

New bottlers in Town

 

[jnaveen1980]

In between 2018 they won

 

[jnaveen1980]

2015 semi final you cannot say lost. Australia in their home conditions got to bat first. India would have lost 5 out of 5 times. So there is no case of bottling there.

 

[ind_win]

some people are panauti for India - not cricketers but don't want to metion the names. That's that.

 

[andy0204]

In between 2018 they won

Even SA won the U-19 WC in 2014 who are king of chokers.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Women team also choked.

 

[Sam99]

2015 wc semi final wasn't choke. Aus was too good side for india to beat back then.

 

[Slim]

The decade of choke

 

[jnaveen1980]

Just hand over the captaincy to Rohit. You will see India stacking up trophies. This panauti Kohli has no concept of team building.

 

[Sam99]

Just hand over the captaincy to Rohit. You will see India stacking up trophies. This panauti Kohli has no concept of team building.

Exactly. Rohit would have one of the ct 2017 or 2019 wc if he was captain. If you give rohit chance to captain next 2 t20 wc and odi wc he will surely win atleast one of them.

 

[Saurav]

Just hand over the captaincy to Rohit. You will see India stacking up trophies. This panauti Kohli has no concept of team building.

T20 WC should be last chance to Kohli

Rohit is way better captain

 

[andy0204]

Iam glad that Kohli was rested at Asia Cup otherwise we would have lost that as well.

 

[ind_win]

ODI captain - Rohit
Test captain - kohli
T20 captain - Rohit

It will compensate for the poor SF & F record of India and more trophies for India, for the next 3-4 years.

 

[Saurav]

Iam glad that Kohli was rested at Asia Cup otherwise we would have lost that as well.

And Nidahas.lol

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Iam glad that Kohli was rested at Asia Cup otherwise we would have lost that as well.

Exactly this.

 

[ind_win]

India's poor record is more due to deadwood & misfit selections.
These get exposed in the SF & F and cost India the trophies.
And in most kohli is the guilty one - Aus or Eng would've stripped captaincy of such captains but not India.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India's poor record is more due to deadwood & misfit selections.
These get exposed in the SF & F and cost India the trophies.
And in most kohli is the guilty one - Aus or Eng would've stripped captaincy of such captains but not India.

It is coach's job to keep an eye on captain but when even your coach is a puppet of your captain then selectors can't do anything.

 

[ind_win]

It is coach's job to keep an eye on captain but when even your coach is a puppet of your captain then selectors can't do anything.

Yes.kohli's image is bigger than the game + Captaincy changes will harm India's cricketing image and BCCI business interests appears to be the mindset. Else, there is no reason for the selectors to be as pathetic as they are to back away from calling spade a spade - kohi is a very mediocre ODI & T20 captain is a fact .

 

[Swashbuckler]

Worst was the women's WC final which we would have won 10/10 times if it weren't the finals.

2015 WC SF and 2016 U-19 F weren't chokes. We had no chance in either of those matches and results were on expected lines. We went to both those tosses as underdogs.

2016 WT20 SF wasn't a choke, WI on a flat Mumbai pitch under lights with dew is devastating. Even had we not bowled those 3 no balls we would have lost, they had incredible depth in batting. Had Rahane not stunk it up and we had set a target of 220 we had a 51:49 chance.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Kohli is an average ODI captain, he's a serial bottler in tournaments and only feasts in bilaterals.

 

[aloo paratha]

India can do everything right until the knockouts. From there, they'll likely crumble under pressure.

 

[sohailmm]

One can argue that because the strength of Indian Team is not exactly translating into title victories, they should be bagging all Championships here and there but they have not done that for past 3-4 years.

 

[Rana]

Kohli is an average ODI captain, he's a serial bottler in tournaments and only feasts in bilaterals.

According to Mamoon, Virat, Rohit and Dhawan (Serial big match chokers) are the greatest top 3 in world cricket. Better than Hayden, Gilchrist and Ponting (champions of Champions)

 

[light]

India can do everything right until the knockouts. From there, they'll likely crumble under pressure.

Alot has to do with Virat's captaincy. Under Dhoni, we didn't choke like we do under Kohli.

 

[Mamoon]

They are not chokers, far from it. However, they have been considerably unlucky.

Yuvraj chose the WT20 2014 final to play his worst innings for India. He struggled to put bat on all for 20 deliveries which completely killed India’s momentum.

On any other day, he would have been dismissed in less than 5 balls considering his horrible form.

WT20 2016 semi-final, Simmons was dismissed off a no-ball.

Champions Trophy 2017 Final - Fakhar no ball

World Cup 2019 semifinal - the rain delay changed the momentum and tempo of the game. If the match was completed on the same day, India would have won.

They were the best team in all of these tournaments, but luck deserted them in key moments.

Every team needs a bit of luck to win a tournament. India had Thar extra slice of luck in WT20 2007, World Cup 2011 and Champions Trophy 2013.

 

[Mobashir]

They are not chokers, far from it. However, they have been considerably unlucky.

Yuvraj chose the WT20 2014 final to play his worst innings for India. He struggled to put bat on all for 20 deliveries which completely killed India’s momentum.

On any other day, he would have been dismissed in less than 5 balls considering his horrible form.

WT20 2016 semi-final, Simmons was dismissed off a no-ball.

Champions Trophy 2017 Final - Fakhar no ball

World Cup 2019 semifinal - the rain delay changed the momentum and tempo of the game. If the match was completed on the same day, India would have won.

They were the best team in all of these tournaments, but luck deserted them in key moments.

Every team needs a bit of luck to win a tournament. India had Thar extra slice of luck in WT20 2007, World Cup 2011 and Champions Trophy 2013.

Unlucky and sitting rain for someone who blames SA and ABDV so much for 2015 WC semi final.
But when the bias is so heavy you can't stop yourself of saying anything, even if it doesn't make any sense.

 

[Manunited18]

India in ICC Tournaments:

Men T20 WC 2014:Final Lost

Men WC 2015: Semi Final Lost

Men T20 WC 2016: Semi Final Lost

U19 WC 2016: Final Lost

Champions Trophy 2017: Final Lost

Men WC 2019: Semi Final Lost

U19 WC 2020: Final Lost

New bottlers in Town

Yep it looks that way

 

[Manunited18]

Alot has to do with Virat's captaincy. Under Dhoni, we didn't choke like we do under Kohli.

Could be true, kohli himself chokes in big games in icc tournaments big time

 

[Mamoon]

Unlucky and sitting rain for someone who blames SA and ABDV so much for 2015 WC semi final.
But when the bias is so heavy you can't stop yourself of saying anything, even if it doesn't make any sense.

South Africa have never won anything apart from the 1998 Knockout Cup that was irrelevant before it was converted into the Champions Trophy.

De Villiers has not won South Africa a single knockout match in any ICC tournament with his batting.

Learn the difference between South Africa-de Villiers and India-Kohli.

 

[Geil]

2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup and 2023 ODI Cricket World Cup are going to be played in India if India loses both or do not win any one of the tournament then these chokers tag looks believable but for now one could give them a benefit of doubt or may be say new Chokers in the making

 

[sohailmm]

Lolz "unlucky", teams create their own luck by their team play in big games.What a lame excuse to put forth.
Even Indians would find it difficult to vouch for this argument.

 

[Arya]

Indians have disintegrated under pressure lately, but they win a lot too, so it isn't as bad as South Africa's choking levels.

 

[Mobashir]

South Africa have never won anything apart from the 1998 Knockout Cup that was irrelevant before it was converted into the Champions Trophy.

De Villiers has not won South Africa a single knockout match in any ICC tournament with his batting.

Learn the difference between South Africa-de Villiers and India-Kohli.

Yes I learnt it.
India was always unlucky. The can't chase 230 they are unlucky.
There bowlers bowl no balls they are unlucky.

 

[shahid10]

Kohli is an average ODI captain, he's a serial bottler in tournaments and only feasts in bilaterals.

He was man of the tournament in both 2014 and 2016 t20 world cups,So first check stats before whining..

 

[ChennaiFan]

I have no hope for India in T20 WC 2020.
However, India will win T20 WC 2021 under Kohli. It is in Indian conditions and with spinners he could do it. That could be his only ICC trophy as captain.

We want a new captain. Probably Shreyas Iyer or KL Rahul.

 

[Geil]

South Africa has never qualified to Finals in ICC tournaments be it 50 over World cup or T20 if I am not wrong they played a final in some ICC knockout tournament in 1998, it was like champions trophy and they actually won the tournament so in a way South Africa never lost in ICC finals but they have lost 4 SF in CWC 2 SF in T20 WC and 4 SF in CT.In my view England are the number one chokers as they lost 3 CWC finals and then New Zealand lost 2 CWC finals and then maybe South Africa but because the way they lost 1999 WC SF and failed to qualify to SF in 2003 WC which was very dramatic because it was south Africa games to win they get the number one chokers tag but in my view England and New Zealand choke more than south Africa

 

[Aesthetics]

Yes, looking at track record its safe to say India are chokers.

Lol some of these posts by Indian fans are hilarious. Imagine thinking that losses are because of no ball to fakhar or andrew symonds. What about the 299 other balls being bowled?

Theres no luck, either you execute or you dont. India have failed in this regard. End of story.

 

[Ab Fan]

South Africa have never won anything apart from the 1998 Knockout Cup that was irrelevant before it was converted into the Champions Trophy.

<B>De Villiers has not won South Africa a single knockout match in any ICC tournament with his batting.</B>

Learn the difference between South Africa-de Villiers and India-Kohli.

You are wrong on this. SA-Eng 2014 WT20.

And another statement is that he is the only SA captain to win a 50-over World Cup knockout ever.

 

[Mamoon]

You are wrong on this. SA-Eng 2014 WT20.

And another statement is that he is the only SA captain to win a 50-over World Cup knockout ever.

The England match wasn’t an official knockout, but yes he does have the honor as far as captaincy is concerned.

 

[Aman]

U19 and women's cricket isn't really important.

No offense.

 

[Ab Fan]

Under-19 teams are never the same playing XI and India have won it more than any other team with total 4 trophies. There were a couple of losses in finals but overall it makes no sense to say a cricket nation as a choker when they have won that title highest number of times.

Coming back to international senior men's cricket, we do have gone out missing in some big moments in all these tournaments in last 6 years and that has costed us the game. However, before this could happen, we already had got victories and were champions in WC '11 and CT'13.

We are a top team in all formats of the game but what is lacking is the ruthlessness of becoming not just the no.1 team but also one of the greatest ever team and what's stopping us is these chokes. But we still remain a top team as we do have no.1 test ranking, 2 times World Cup win, 1 W-T20 and also the U-19 world champions title for 4 times which is the highest.

 

[Mueez]

Nah I don’t think they are the new “chokers”.

They will bounce back strongly.

Hard to accept that as Pakistan fan but it is the reality.

 

[Ab Fan]

The England match wasn’t an official knockout, but yes he does have the honor as far as captaincy is concerned.

It was a virtual knockout but a must-win game. Factually, you are correct but when I take the context into consideration, it isn't.

 

[happydavy]

Not chokers but overrated. There are certain things which are so obvious yet missed by so called experts. For eg: India against NZ in WC semis. I had put decent amount of money on NZ win because it was so obvious that sooner or later Rohit's and Kohli's luck would ran out and they would get out early and no way a middle order comprising of Dinesh Karthik, Pant, Pandya can win you an important match. Indian team is way too overrated and I am strictly talking from odds perspective.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Wow that is some list of semis and finals. If this is choking, I will take it for Pakistan.

Men T20 WC 2014:Final Lost

Men WC 2015: Semi Final Lost

Men T20 WC 2016: Semi Final Lost

U19 WC 2016: Final Lost

Champions Trophy 2017: Final Lost

Men WC 2019: Semi Final Lost

U19 WC 2020: Final Lost

 

[tyron_woodley]

hah. Maybe. It's ok though. At least we are number 1 in test cricket. That's our priority. We just csnt seem to win icc tournaments. Maybe we will win this year and the test championship.

top 2 in odi.

probably top 2 in t20 as well. Dont necessarily agree with the rankings. We have beat everyone in t20.

 

[HydratedTurnip]

You'd have to think the law of averages will eventually help out the Indian cricket and they'll bag one, if not more, of the next few icc events.

As a fan I'd honestly take choking in semis or finals, instead of seeing my preferred team hardly ever get to play matches worth choking in

 

[Slog]

They are not chokers, far from it. However, they have been considerably unlucky.

Yuvraj chose the WT20 2014 final to play his worst innings for India. He struggled to put bat on all for 20 deliveries which completely killed India’s momentum.

On any other day, he would have been dismissed in less than 5 balls considering his horrible form.

WT20 2016 semi-final, Simmons was dismissed off a no-ball.

Champions Trophy 2017 Final - Fakhar no ball

World Cup 2019 semifinal - the rain delay changed the momentum and tempo of the game. If the match was completed on the same day, India would have won.

They were the best team in all of these tournaments, but luck deserted them in key moments.

Every team needs a bit of luck to win a tournament. India had Thar extra slice of luck in WT20 2007, World Cup 2011 and Champions Trophy 2013.

its not called luck or bad luck when it happens several times.

 

[tyron_woodley]

its not called luck or bad luck when it happens several times.

I agree. England needed massive amounts of luck to win an undeserved 2019 world cup. Don't see them ever winning again.

India were unlucky only in 2019 semis when it was a 2 day cricket due to rain.

2017 champions trophy they got smashed in the final. People will quota fakhar no ball. So? no ball is no ball. Should have been able to create other chances. You don't let the opponents score 300 plus and then cry about a no ball. I think what hurts indian fans is the fact that they smashed pakistan in the group game and lost when it mattered. Well it is what it is. Better team won on the night.

other t20 wc etc and other cups were clear losses.

 

[khan_aa]

They are not chokers, far from it. However, they have been considerably unlucky.

Yuvraj chose the WT20 2014 final to play his worst innings for India. He struggled to put bat on all for 20 deliveries which completely killed India’s momentum.

On any other day, he would have been dismissed in less than 5 balls considering his horrible form.

WT20 2016 semi-final, Simmons was dismissed off a no-ball.

Champions Trophy 2017 Final - Fakhar no ball

World Cup 2019 semifinal - the rain delay changed the momentum and tempo of the game. If the match was completed on the same day, India would have won.

They were the best team in all of these tournaments, but luck deserted them in key moments.

Every team needs a bit of luck to win a tournament. India had Thar extra slice of luck in WT20 2007, World Cup 2011 and Champions Trophy 2013.

youre so biased.

you mentioned fakhar no ball as being lucky.

but you dont mention that kohli of all people got a second chance also when his catch was dropped in the slips. how come he did not score a 150 and take india to victory?

again, twisting and manipulating facts to suit your agenda.

 

[BDfanforever]

U19 and women's cricket isn't really important.

No offense.

It is the reason you dont see likes of Praveen Kumar, Vinay Kumar, Ashok Dinda, Stuart Binny, et al in the Indian team anymore.

AUS also have a gun team at u19 level.

 

[troodon]

The hate for Kohli on this thread

As long as India’s middle order is weak, we will continue to choke more tournaments.

 

[PakLFC]

They are allowed to lose once in a while. They are still the best by a country distance defeating top class opponents. Our performance against a Bangladesh B side is getting to people's heads.

 

[Red Devil]

They are allowed to lose once in a while. They are still the best by a country distance defeating top class opponents. Our performance against a Bangladesh B side is getting to people's heads.

It becomes a bit of a problem when that "once in a while" is invariably a knock out game or a final lmao.

 

[tyron_woodley]

It is the reason you dont see likes of Praveen Kumar, Vinay Kumar, Ashok Dinda, Stuart Binny, et al in the Indian team anymore.

AUS also have a gun team at u19 level.

haha. wow. dint realize how many passengers we carried in the past. that was 2010-2014. Still somehow we won the world cup and champions trophy.

now with a world class top tier team, we lose every time in semis and finals.

 

[Indiafan]

They are not chokers, far from it. However, they have been considerably unlucky.

Yuvraj chose the WT20 2014 final to play his worst innings for India. He struggled to put bat on all for 20 deliveries which completely killed India’s momentum.

On any other day, he would have been dismissed in less than 5 balls considering his horrible form.

WT20 2016 semi-final, Simmons was dismissed off a no-ball.

Champions Trophy 2017 Final - Fakhar no ball

World Cup 2019 semifinal - the rain delay changed the momentum and tempo of the game. If the match was completed on the same day, India would have won.

They were the best team in all of these tournaments, but luck deserted them in key moments.

Every team needs a bit of luck to win a tournament. India had Thar extra slice of luck in WT20 2007, World Cup 2011 and Champions Trophy 2013.

So they bowled no-balls and played bad during key moments?

AKA choking

 

[Indiafan]

The hate for Kohli on this thread

As long as India’s middle order is weak, we will continue to choke more tournaments.

So Kohli deliberately leaving young attacking talents out and continuing with 34 year old Jhadav or Shamkar in middle order is nothing to do with him of course? All the batting talent Kohli has were established before him as captain. And he has mismanaged young talent. Look at how KL Rahul was treated and look at how Pant is. Jhadav doesnt even bowl but is ahead of Pant, Shankar and Thakur are ahead of Pant for their bowling. Forcing Rahul to play down the order to leave Pant out, something Rahul clearly doesnt want to do

If Kohli has not managed to build a middle order after so many years with full power as captain, it's on him

 

[khan_aa]

KL rahul dismissal in SF against NZ was a pure choke
Pant's was choke
Pandya was definitely a choke...


watch the highlights. even when india was 5/3, score of 240 was very chaseable had they played at 3 rpo and saved wickets, but they came under pressure and threw their wickets away

 

[PakLFC]

It becomes a bit of a problem when that "once in a while" is invariably a knock out game or a final lmao.

India are still the best in the world. Simple as that. At least unlike us they reach finals.

 

[Red Devil]

India are still the best in the world. Simple as that. At least unlike us they reach finals.

I don't think anyone's disputing that. The issue is the lack of of championships despite having such a strong team.

 

[khan_aa]

well everyone expects india to win compared to NZ, BDESH, ENG etc, given their resources. when they lose, its actually quite funny...

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

If there is more joy than watching Pakistan winning, it is surely India losing. What a day! Thank you Bangladesh!!

Coming to the topic, I feel India have always been chokers. Dhoni made sure they won a few in his playing days and India returned to normalcy now. Indians don't have it in them to win the big moments.

 

[Indiafan]

If there is more joy than watching Pakistan winning, it is surely India losing. What a day! Thank you Bangladesh!!

Coming to the topic, I feel India have always been chokers. Dhoni made sure they won a few in his playing days and India returned to normalcy now. Indians don't have it in them to win the big moments.

They have still won more trophies than thhe rest if asia combined

 

[Kingpin786]

They have still won more trophies than thhe rest if asia combined

How?

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

They have still won more trophies than thhe rest if asia combined

India - 2 WC, 1.5 CT, 1 T20

Pakistan - 1 WC, 1 CT, 1 T20

Sri Lanka - 1 WC, 0.5 CT, 1 T20

Can you explain how India with its 1.5 billion population won more trophies than the rest of sub continent?

 

[tyron_woodley]

India - 2 WC, 1.5 CT, 1 T20

Pakistan - 1 WC, 1 CT, 1 T20

Sri Lanka - 1 WC, 0.5 CT, 1 T20

Can you explain how India with its 1.5 billion population won more trophies than the rest of sub continent?

world t20 2020
world cup 2023

india will win both. They won't be choking for too long. law of averages will eventually sway India's way.

 

[tyron_woodley]

If there is more joy than watching Pakistan winning, it is surely India losing. What a day! Thank you Bangladesh!!

Coming to the topic, I feel India have always been chokers. Dhoni made sure they won a few in his playing days and India returned to normalcy now. Indians don't have it in them to win the big moments.

wow. You love watching india lose than wanting pakistan win. That is the most sadistic demented asinine piece of drivel I have heard in a long time.

But then i am not surprised to hear such comments though. Good luck to your team.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

world t20 2020
world cup 2023

india will win both. They won't be choking for too long. law of averages will eventually sway India's way.

Oh we're counting future wins also now )

 

[andy0204]

wow. You love watching india lose than wanting pakistan win. That is the most sadistic demented asinine piece of drivel I have heard in a long time.

But then i am not surprised to hear such comments though. Good luck to your team.

That means you don't know anything about arch rivals.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

wow. You love watching india lose than wanting pakistan win. That is the most sadistic demented asinine piece of drivel I have heard in a long time.

But then i am not surprised to hear such comments though. Good luck to your team.

It's only natural because this is just the reaction to the kind of hate Indians peddle towards Pakistan in general. Nothing personal.

 

[tyron_woodley]

That means you don't know anything about arch rivals.

why would I enjoy pakistan lose vs some random team? I mean obviously I would want them ranked below india but I don't care if they thrash every other team.

If they are about to win the world cup then yea sure. I would still rather see pakistan win than say australia or england.

Asians support Asians. But then i doubt that's the case here.

 

[khan_aa]

world t20 2020
world cup 2023

india will win both. They won't be choking for too long. law of averages will eventually sway India's way.

More and more arrogance.
Let’s talk when they actually win something, I’ve been hearing about their dominance for a while yet to choke in key games.

 

[jnaveen1980]

world t20 2020
world cup 2023

india will win both. They won't be choking for too long. law of averages will eventually sway India's way.

No way in hell we are winning world T20 in 2020. We have an excellent plan A in LOI. But when it doesn't come off we are screwed. Besides a captain with such a pathetic IPL captaincy record is never going to win anything. Rohit has won 4 titles captaining less number of times. Kohli has not won even a single IPL title captaining RCB for such a long time.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You can mock India at your own peril. But you have to look at your what the achievement of other nations. England bottled in CT2017 too. They were the red hot favorites to win the tournament more than India. NZ had golden chance to win the world cup in CT2015. They were like a frightened turtle on the final. The day Indian top order fails, they will fail in any match not just final. or semi final. If the top order clicks no team is winning the final or semi final against India.That is how Kohli has developed his side. Besides in CT2017, WC2015, WC2019 they chased in all these 3 matches. Chasing is always a tricky thing in a knockout match. Almost every single team chokes albeit at different stages. Atleast they are reaching finals, semi finals consistently.

 

[Mamoon]

India’s failures in the last 15 years have towered over the triumphs of smaller teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh etc.

 

[imrankhannsu]

Despite what you think of them, they are the team that everyone wants to beat as everyone finds them a formidable opponent and know that their bowlers will take a big tonking

 

[khan_aa]

India’s failures in the last 15 years have towered over the triumphs of smaller teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh etc.

Nope.

Given their resources, manpower and money - they’re expected to dominate, but they can’t. Shows you cricket victories cannot be bought

 

[tyron_woodley]

No way in hell we are winning world T20 in 2020. We have an excellent plan A in LOI. But when it doesn't come off we are screwed. Besides a captain with such a pathetic IPL captaincy record is never going to win anything. Rohit has won 4 titles captaining less number of times. Kohli has not won even a single IPL title captaining RCB for such a long time.

I agree under kohli it's hard to win a odi or t20 title but I just have a feeling this year kohli will win a title. Just an innate feeling.

It is bound to happen at some point. Make no mistake they will definitely win 2023 world cup when gill, Shaw, bumrah, jaiswal, aggarwal all will be in their absolute primes.

I care about the test championship.I don't care if we lose the final but as long as we maintain number 1 status which we should be able to.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

You guys forgot the world championship trophy.

And any time anyone mentions population with regards to sports achievements I believe them to be uneducated

Whatever suits your agenda. More population, more manpower and most passion in the game, great structure and still can't win tournaments. That is a problem sir.

 

[Dingolfy]

Whatever suits your agenda. More population, more manpower and most passion in the game, great structure and still can't win tournaments. That is a problem sir.

Americans have more money, best structure in the world and way more blacks with West African genes than third-world Jamaicans. Still cant beat them in World Athletics. And most of their top runners are dope-tainted.
England has the best football league in the whole world but still not much trophies to show of.
Money and passion are not always directly proportionate to the trophies you win. India is a third world country and an average Indian still has way less access to sports facilities and nutrition than an average kiwi, Aussie and English.