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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Australia win the toss and bat first in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/U19CWC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#U19CWC</a> final against India at Bay Oval, Tauranga!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvIND</a> LIVE ➡️ <a href="https://t.co/BU9XqVZ41U">https://t.co/BU9XqVZ41U</a> <a href="https://t.co/4a15rhCCDh">pic.twitter.com/4a15rhCCDh</a></p>— Cricket World Cup (@cricketworldcup) <a href="https://twitter.com/cricketworldcup/status/959585025921499139?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2018</a></blockquote>
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AUS Batting first
Good toss to win ..Advantage AUS batting first in final
 
How on earth did Pakistan get rolled by these bowlers?

All of them look so average and have a LONG LONG way to go to even make the India A squad.
 
DRsohail said:
THe Nagrkoti guy is pacy??
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He's a back of length bowler and very one dimensional with most of his delivers coming back in from back of a length. These kids are at poor net bowler level.
 
Aman said:
He's a back of length bowler and very one dimensional with most of his delivers coming back in from back of a length. These kids are at poor net bowler level.
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Yes i felt the same..to me he looked more of a Robot type.But time is on his side.Dunno about the first bowler who has been talked about.Too good for this level but work needs to be done,
By the way the SLAO are impressive.
 
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DRsohail said:
Yes i felt the same..to me he looked more of a Robot type...but time is on his side.dunno about the first bowler who has been talked.too good for this level but work needs to be done,
by the way the SLAO are impressive.
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Australia have thrown all their wickets away here, the bowling has been pretty poor from India.
 
Aman said:
How on earth did Pakistan get rolled by these bowlers?

All of them look so average and have a LONG LONG way to go to even make the India A squad.
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Average bowlers don't clock 140's at U-19 level. And you can see the highlights of how they bowled against Australians in the first match who were much better batsmen against pace.And Nagarkoti has done well in Vijay Hazare trophy last year bowling against senior batsmen.
 
Dingolfy said:
Average bowlers don't clock 140's at U-19 level. And you can see the highlights of how they bowled against Australians in the first match who were much better batsmen against pace.And Nagarkoti has done well in Vijay Hazare trophy last year bowling against senior batsmen.
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Milne and Fergusan clock 150kph and they're average.

Hell, Ishant was clocking 150kph at a young age and look at him.

There's more to bowling than just pace.
 
Aman said:
Milne and Fergusan clock 150kph and they're average.

Hell, Ishant was clocking 150kph at a young age and look at him.

There's more to bowling than just pace.
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This is 17 year Nagarkoti castling senior Indian domestic batsmen in Vijay Hazare.


He bowls at good pace and also moves the ball.That is the reason we white washed England at their home in the U-19 tour. That is not how average bowlers operate. He might become garbage later due to injuries as we cant predict future, but right now he is pretty good to be in Indian A team.
 
Aman said:
He's a back of length bowler and very one dimensional with most of his delivers coming back in from back of a length. These kids are at poor net bowler level.
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I would like to know how many 90mph u 19 bowlers do you have in NZ?

There is one expert who is not praising these guys and their talent.
 
Dingolfy said:
This is 17 year Nagarkoti castling senior Indian domestic batsmen in Vijay Hazare.


He bowls at good pace and also moves the ball.That is the reason we white washed England at their home in the U-19 tour. That is not how average bowlers operate. He might become garbage later due to injuries as we cant predict future, but right now he is pretty good to be in Indian A team.
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You're setting yourself up for disappointment. If he doesn't improve greatly, he's going to struggle big time against international level batsmen.
 
cricketjoshila said:
I would like to know how many 90mph u 19 bowlers do you have in NZ?

There is one expert who is not praising these guys and their talent.
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I don't get why you're so offended, what I sad is true and you know it.
 
Aman said:
I don't get why you're so offended, what I sad is true and you know it.
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Nothing to get offended. Because you are spouting nonsense. As i said there isnt an expert out there who is not praising these guyz.
 
Pitch report from Simon Doull: "The pitch is a belter. Good covering of grass. Watered and rolled all week. There is a strong wind blowing across the ground. If you're bowling into the wind, it's going to be tough work."

Looking at the pitch report, Indian bowlers have done quite well. Australia have not been able to use the conditions to their advantage.

216-10

Shubman Gill will be the key wicket.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Nothing to get offended. Because you are spouting nonsense. As i said there isnt an expert out there who is not praising these guyz.
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This is my first time watching India's bowlers, none of them impressed. If any of them were to play international cricket, they would be smashed all around the park. All of them have a long long way to go.
 
Aman said:
You're setting yourself up for disappointment. If he doesn't improve greatly, he's going to struggle big time against international level batsmen.
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I would rather get disappointed with the likes of Ian Bishop rather than listen to the drivel of Keyboard warriors.
 
Indians looking good .... chasing 217 in 50 .... might be easy .... but this is Cricket anything can happen !!!!!!
 
Dingolfy said:
I would rather get disappointed with the likes of Ian Bishop rather than listen to the drivel of Keyboard warriors.
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What about India's bowlers was impressive? Tell me.

Outside the pace of one bowler which U19 batsmen are going to struggle with, what did they show to you to suggest they would be good additions to the Indian Team.

The bowler who is supposed to be India's best is short and one dimensional, if he were to carry on bowling like this and become a bit quicker, he'd still be easy pickings at the international level.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Nothing to get offended. Because you are spouting nonsense. As i said there isnt an expert out there who is not praising these guyz.
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Letting your bias cloud your judgement. India's best is extremely one dimensional and simply bangs it in back of length. He can pick up wickets with his pace against U19 batsmen and average batsmen, but against international standard batsmen the pace is not going to be an issue. This is why he has not gone for many runs (banging it in back of a length, it's difficult to get away) and has taken wickets through bad shots or off players who are unable to play 140kph bowling.
 
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Aman said:
What about India's bowlers was impressive? Tell me.

Outside the pace of one bowler which U19 batsmen are going to struggle with, what did they show to you to suggest they would be good additions to the Indian Team.

The bowler who is supposed to be India's best is short and one dimensional, if he were to carry on bowling like this and become a bit quicker, he'd still be easy pickings at the international level.
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He is as tall as Mohammed Shami who just ripped apart South Africa in their own home and can run through any side when he is fit ( unfortunately that is rare) .Even Hassan Ali is not that tall.
 
Aman said:
What about India's bowlers was impressive? Tell me.

Outside the pace of one bowler which U19 batsmen are going to struggle with, what did they show to you to suggest they would be good additions to the Indian Team.

The bowler who is supposed to be India's best is short and one dimensional, if he were to carry on bowling like this and become a bit quicker, he'd still be easy pickings at the international level.
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Plenty of short bowlers have done decently well. Danny Morrison, Hasan Ali, and earlier Chetan Sharma have not done too shabbily. More dimensions will come as he gets more experienced and gets to bowl to better batsmen. And he's taller than all. Too presumptuous at this time to be so judgmental about a young fast bowler.
 
Aman said:
What about India's bowlers was impressive? Tell me.

Outside the pace of one bowler which U19 batsmen are going to struggle with, what did they show to you to suggest they would be good additions to the Indian Team.

The bowler who is supposed to be India's best is short and one dimensional, if he were to carry on bowling like this and become a bit quicker, he'd still be easy pickings at the international level.
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We are happy with pace. Skills can be acquired. And its not that he/they definitely will make it to top that excites, its the conformation that system is working to produce players.

They may not be up to your standard for U19 but they are best in the world at the moment and that's enough.
 
Aman said:
How on earth did Pakistan get rolled by these bowlers?

All of them look so average and have a LONG LONG way to go to even make the India A squad.
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Well, that's about the exact opposite of what almost every expert, including Ian Bishop, have been saying.
 
charlie007 said:
Plenty of short bowlers have done decently well. Danny Morrison, Hasan Ali, and earlier Chetan Sharma have not done too shabbily. More dimensions will come as he gets more experienced and gets to bowl to better batsmen. And he's taller than all. Too presumptuous at this time to be so judgmental about a young fast bowler.
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Agarkar- third highest ODI wickets taker in India.
 
JattMaula said:
We are happy with pace. Skills can be acquired. And its not that he/they definitely will make it to top that excites, its the conformation that system is working to produce players.

They may not be up to your standard for U19 but they are best in the world at the moment and that's enough.
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Can he swing or seam the ball? He doesn't seem to have those skills from what I saw today and relies on the ball jagging back from a length to cut down batsmens scoring options.
 
Aman said:
Can he swing or seam the ball? He doesn't seem to have those skills from what I saw today and relies on the ball jagging back from a length to cut down batsmens scoring options.
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Perhaps it may not be prudent to judge a bowler on the first game you are seeing him in?
 
Aman said:
Can he swing or seam the ball? He doesn't seem to have those skills from what I saw today and relies on the ball jagging back from a length to cut down batsmens scoring options.
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Don't think any bowler has swung the white ball in NZ for ages. They have good seam positions. Not much other skills yet.
 
JattMaula said:
Don't think any bowler has swung the white ball in NZ for ages. They have good seam positions. Not much other skills yet.
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Boult and Southee were swinging the ball against WI and Pakistan.

I think Raaes and few other Pakistani's got it to do a bit in the T20s as well.
 
Aman said:
Can he swing or seam the ball? He doesn't seem to have those skills from what I saw today and relies on the ball jagging back from a length to cut down batsmens scoring options.
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You have seen only one game. Need to watch a few more to voice an accurate opinion.
 
charlie007 said:
Perhaps it may not be prudent to judge a bowler on the first game you are seeing him in?
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This! I wonder how some people on this Forum are very quick to judge a player's performance by watching just a single match and testify they aren't ready for international level!
 
BaankeJi said:
You have seen only one game. Need to watch a few more to voice an accurate opinion.
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Can he swing or seam the ball? yes or no?

Because without those he's going to be at best a first change bowler for India, one who will be difficult to get runs off and will pick up the wickets of tailenders or batsmen's mistakes. Kind of like Fergusan and Milne are for us atm. They don't have the skill to trouble top order batsmen.
 
Tyler Durden said:
This! I wonder how some people on this Forum are very quick to judge a player's performance by watching just a single match and testify they aren't ready for international level!
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Because we have two bowlers like him playing for us.

Hell, Pakistan have one in their side currently who is excellent at containing but struggles to take wickets because he bangs it in back of a length :amir
 
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In fairness to Aman, based on the little I saw, Nagarkoti in particular looked tired today. Height is also certainly an issue. And the video from the Vijay Hazare match is not impressive either.

Leaving aside exaggerated future projections, it is not far fetched to say that the only player who might be ready for international level of the lot currently is Shubman with a couple others possibly for the "A" level.
 
Aman said:
I've seen highlights of him, it was basically the same.
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Time will tell. He may or may not come out to be a good bowler, but to judge a player quite young is presumptuous in my humble opinion. People in U19's who have not shone through as much in previous WCs have done quite well in international cricket. I think you can't judge accurately at this time.
Peace out!
 
Aman said:
Can he swing or seam the ball? He doesn't seem to have those skills from what I saw today and relies on the ball jagging back from a length to cut down batsmens scoring options.
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You can teach bowlers line and length and skills with the ball, but you can't teach pace! He's only 18 at the moment and has plenty of time to improve.
 
Sin Nombre said:
In fairness to Aman, based on the little I saw, Nagarkoti in particular looked tired today. Height is also certainly an issue. And the video from the Vijay Hazare match is not impressive either.

Leaving aside exaggerated future projections, it is not far fetched to say that the only player who might be ready for international level of the lot currently is Shubman with a couple others possibly for the "A" level.
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Apart from Ishant, all of our three bowlers are under 6 feet and they did pretty well.You can watch the highlights of how Bhuvi and Umesh peppered tall Renshaw and Warner with bouncers in India and both of them are under six feet.
 
Aman said:
What about India's bowlers was impressive? Tell me.

Outside the pace of one bowler which U19 batsmen are going to struggle with, what did they show to you to suggest they would be good additions to the Indian Team.

The bowler who is supposed to be India's best is short and one dimensional, if he were to carry on bowling like this and become a bit quicker, he'd still be easy pickings at the international level.
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How about the fact that they have taken 10 wickets in each match they have played in this WC
 
Aman said:
Can he swing or seam the ball? yes or no?

Because without those he's going to be at best a first change bowler for India, one who will be difficult to get runs off and will pick up the wickets of tailenders or batsmen's mistakes. Kind of like Fergusan and Milne are for us atm. They don't have the skill to trouble top order batsmen.
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Yes, he can. In fact, he is very good in getting the old ball to reverse. Go and watch his 10-fer on a flattish pitch in England (its on Youtube).


This is from an Indian Express article:




Compared to his pace colleagues, Ishan Porel and Mavi, Nagarkoti possess a wiry frame, and while his run-up is rhythmic and measured, most of the pace is generated by a whippy release with the wrist position so perfect that it got Bishop to claim on commentary that he “salivates with these things”. Like with most other facets of his nascent career, the youngster attributes his impressive bowling action to coach Rathod.

“Initially it was slightly different. The radar wasn’t great. So sir studied my action and found out that my head was falling too much and therefore affect-ng the wrist position as well, the wrist was dropping as well. He fixed it,” Nagarkoti had said.

That excellent wrist position has also allowed him to develop a skill that most Indian fast bowlers — save Zaheer Khan — take years to get their head around. Long before he turned 17, Nagarkoti was clean-bowling batsmen with reverse-swinging yorkers and even coercing his teammates to help him with the tactful art of “maintaining” the ball.

“Nobody ever taught me that. My wrist being straight at the point of release makes the reverse swing even more effective, and with the old ball, jo mein chahta hoon woh hota hai,” he’d said while revealing how he’s gotten over his early struggles with controlling the new-ball in recent times thanks to help from junior bowling coach Paras Mhambrey. The pace though has always been natural.
 
ive said it before. This is the most one sided world cup in under 19 history. Probably the most balanced under 19 team. Glad that Rahul Dravid finally has a world cup to his name.
 
New ball under light is tricky but what a sumptuous stroke play by pritvi

This guy looks so strong and elegant .... Timing to precision
 
Abhilash93 said:
Yes, he can. In fact, he is very good in getting the old ball to reverse. Go and watch his 10-fer on a flattish pitch in England (its on Youtube).


This is from an Indian Express article:




Compared to his pace colleagues, Ishan Porel and Mavi, Nagarkoti possess a wiry frame, and while his run-up is rhythmic and measured, most of the pace is generated by a whippy release with the wrist position so perfect that it got Bishop to claim on commentary that he “salivates with these things”. Like with most other facets of his nascent career, the youngster attributes his impressive bowling action to coach Rathod.

“Initially it was slightly different. The radar wasn’t great. So sir studied my action and found out that my head was falling too much and therefore affect-ng the wrist position as well, the wrist was dropping as well. He fixed it,” Nagarkoti had said.

That excellent wrist position has also allowed him to develop a skill that most Indian fast bowlers — save Zaheer Khan — take years to get their head around. Long before he turned 17, Nagarkoti was clean-bowling batsmen with reverse-swinging yorkers and even coercing his teammates to help him with the tactful art of “maintaining” the ball.

“Nobody ever taught me that. My wrist being straight at the point of release makes the reverse swing even more effective, and with the old ball, jo mein chahta hoon woh hota hai,” he’d said while revealing how he’s gotten over his early struggles with controlling the new-ball in recent times thanks to help from junior bowling coach Paras Mhambrey. The pace though has always been natural.
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Mhambrey was a mediocre player,but surprised to read he is some diploma in coaching,and has been coaching for a while.
 
Shaw might become the next tendulkar...

Failed to score big in world cup finals. It's just a joke, pls dont kill me
 
Pure carnage from the Indian U19 batsmen. Scoring more than 6 per over. They should be well ahead of the duckworth lewis system
 
Gill is so good to watch, cannot wait to see him at the highest level.
 
Gill is like kohli and shaw like rohit.
Shaw is hyped but we all know that Gill is way better than shaw
 
Aman said:
a lot of technical issues, but good to watch on flat wickets?
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No foot movement and cemented on the crease, backfoot trigger, tendency to flash on 5th stump, poor running between the wickets?

Rohit is not that bad technically.
 
Sin Nombre said:
No foot movement and cemented on the crease, backfoot trigger, tendency to flash on 5th stump, poor running between the wickets?

Rohit is not that bad technically.
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So Doully is criticising Shaw ATM?
 
Aussie boys getting killed here.

This won't last long.
 
Sin Nombre said:
He is right. He will get exposed badly.

Doully is also fan-boy-ing about Shubman at the same time.
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TBH it's easy to ****** him, he is class.

It would be good to have him in the squad, if not the team. He looks like he's already ready for the next level.
 
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