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India v Australia | 1st Test | Pune | Feb 23-27, 2017 | Day 2

sensible-indian-fan said:
The decision was solid.

I don't understand why you are so confused.

Our lower order comprises of Ashwin, Jaddu and Jayant all of whom averaged 40+ last series.

Then you have our top 5 + Saha.

Why wouldn't Kohli go with 5 bowlers?

No brainer really.
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Why would you pick Ishant when your attacking options are going to be your spinners?

Again, this is Ishant we're talking about. I'd rather have another batsmen in to cover Rahane and Saha who aren't the most reliable atm.
 
Early days yet but I am hoping this tour is the most competitive test series in India for 4 years. It has gotten so tedious seeing India annihilate all and sundry. Australia have already surpassed my expectations after what transpired in Sri Lanka last summer. Most likely this will end up a repeat of India's tour to England in 2014.
 
Aman said:
Why would you pick Ishant when your attacking options are going to be your spinners?

Again, this is Ishant we're talking about. I'd rather have another batsmen in to cover Rahane and Saha who aren't the most reliable atm.
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I agree.

Ishant was a mistake.

Rahane was a disaster waiting to happen. Its one of those things where you can't do anything but wait for things to blow up to change stuff.

Sadly Shami was injured.

I think we will be drafting Aniket for the next test and we will play 5 bowlers.

Rahane if he flops in 2nd innings will be under the pump as well.
 
Kohli lost the plot when he took the new ball when Australia Australia were 9 Down. That new ball cost India 60/70 runs. From then it went downhill.

And now all these terrible reviews have made him look like an absolute fool. :uakmal
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I agree.

Ishant was a mistake.

Rahane was a disaster waiting to happen. Its one of those things where you can't do anything but wait for things to blow up to change stuff.

Sadly Shami was injured.

I think we will be drafting Aniket for the next test and we will play 5 bowlers.

Rahane if he flops in 2nd innings will be under the pump as well.
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who is aniket?
 
I don't get the logic in bowling the pacers now...

They're one wicket away from Wade...
 
Kohli is in that zone now where he is doing haphazard things and hoping for them to work.
 
jagatk said:
#KaptainKohli:kohli2
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The shot he played second ball was disgraceful and reeked of arrogance.

It's been downhill for India from there, he should have played himself in before even thinking about playing a ball that wide :facepalm:
 
298 run lead...this can cross 400 tomorrow pretty quickly. Even 500 if we keep dropping catches.

What a explosive start to this series. And reality check for Kohli.
 
Even if Aus lose this series 1-3, it's clear they are a better side than this Indian side.

India wouldn't win a single game in Aus.
 
jagatk said:
Nos look ok, is he any good, what is his pace?
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Decent pace I heard. Mid 130s atleast.

The pacers training with India are handpicked cos they get pace and bounce.
[MENTION=95477]Rightarmfast[/MENTION] [MENTION=134837]Vayuu[/MENTION] may know better.
 
This will be a test for this ind team. Will the able to bounce back or like in 2004 will it be downhill from here?

I have never seen such horrible batting and fielding by indian team in a day
 
So rankings are looking like

SA
Aus
India

The rest are more or less on the same level.
 
Aman said:
Even if Aus lose this series 1-3, it's clear they are a better side than this Indian side.

India wouldn't win a single game in Aus.
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We are having a bad day today but seriously how does the team that loses 3-1 end up being the better team than the winner and also before this game, india last won a game in australia in 2007 or 2008 while aussies last won here in 2004.
 
This five bowler strategy with rahane and saha in an iffy pitch is going to back fire sometime and it spectacularly did today.

Todays performance is disgraceful to say the least
 
Its sad but happens.

Terrible day and most likely a lost test.

But 5 bowler strategy is fine considering Jayant is so good with the bat.

5 bowlers aint the problem if your top 5 can play spin properly. We threw away wickets and Rahane (as good he is outside Asia) will not be amongst the top 10 or even top 15 bats in India on turners.
 
Jayant's bowling wasn't bad in the 2nd and 3rd test against England.

He doesn't do well in pitches with bounce. Goes for a bit too many. Mumbai and now Pune.

Overall, a limited spinner. But can be decent as the 5th bowler.
 
What a day!!!

If they are to play on such surface, then BCCI should start Test from Friday .........
 
India will win the series.

Batting flipped after so many Tests.

O'keefe bowled well and congrats to him. He will be figured out soon.

I still believe India can come back in 2nd innings.

If the target is 400, then we are in it. I am expecting Indian batsman to click in 2nd innings.
 
If the pitch was going to offer so much for spinners, what was the point ofIshant in the playing 11?

India could have played Karin Nair and bolstered the batting.

Indian batting is frail and Kohli has been covering it up with his performances.

I do not trust Rahul or Rahane or Saha with the bat.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Its sad but happens.

Terrible day and most likely a lost test.

But 5 bowler strategy is fine considering Jayant is so good with the bat.

5 bowlers aint the problem if your top 5 can play spin properly. We threw away wickets and Rahane (as good he is outside Asia) will not be amongst the top 10 or even top 15 bats in India on turners.
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Maybe we can get in Pandya instead of Jayant and play an attacking spinner for Ishant.Maybe Kuldeep/Chahal

On such pitches you do need an extra batsman actually.Have to be flexible.Ishant does nothing

Who are those 15 bats against spin?Send them an SOS :srt
 
Indian tail is exposed against a proper attack.

Doubt they would last against Starc like they do against the likes of Anderson and Woakes.
 
Kedhar Jhadav should be given a go or the guy who just scored 200 not out for India A.

Rahane is literally clueless vs spin.
 
A much needed reality check for Team India. Let's hope Australia don't do anything stupid tomorrow and complete a crushing win.

Nothing is more overbearing than the Australians getting on top and they just might draw this series.
 
Bilal7 said:
A much needed reality check for Team India. Let's hope Australia don't do anything stupid tomorrow and complete a crushing win.

Nothing is more overbearing than the Australians getting on top and they just might draw this series.
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Kohli has a huge ego, he ain't giving up on this match as of yet. Expect him to fire in the 2nd innings :kohli2
 
battler said:
Kohli has a huge ego, he ain't giving up on this match as of yet. Expect him to fire in the 2nd innings :kohli2
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We shall see. He definitely shouldn't be having too many problems against Keefe and Lyon at home. Just has to ensure his weaknesses against pace isn't exposed.
 
Bilal7 said:
We shall see. He definitely shouldn't be having too many problems against Keefe and Lyon at home. Just has to ensure his weaknesses against pace isn't exposed.
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Needs to bat sensibly, he didn't give himself a chance to have any impact. Played one hell of a stupid shot second ball :facepalm:
 
Bilal7 said:
We shall see. He definitely shouldn't be having too many problems against Keefe and Lyon at home. Just has to ensure his weaknesses against pace isn't exposed.
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It was not weakness against pace but complacency on his behalf that contributed to his downfall.
He thought he was in the form of his life, he could just come out and dominate against a fast bowler on pitches tailor made for spinners.
Happens to the best of the them. He will be much more focused come the 2nd innings.
 
battler said:
It was not weakness against pace but complacency on his behalf that contributed to his downfall.
He thought he was in the form of his life, he could just come out and dominate against a fast bowler on pitches tailor made for spinners.
Happens to the best of the them. He will be much more focused come the 2nd innings.
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Too late now, the game has gone.

Better off watching NZ-Aus than watching India crumble again tomorrow.
 
Aman said:
Too late now, the game has gone.

Better off watching NZ-Aus than watching India crumble again tomorrow.
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Not writing India off as yet. I will be very disappointed if we go down without a fight.
 
What a brilliant performance from Australia. On such a pitch, they have out batted, out bowled and out fielded this Indian team in prime form. Starc's fightback with the bat and his spell with the bowl today could turn out to be the real difference.

Aussies have sealed the match already and will be interesting to see how Kohli and his team respond in 2nd innings. Will have to show a semblance of a fight to get some confidence back and Kohli will have to lead from the front.

Ashwin and Jadeja have disappointed so far and have looked impatient largely because of brilliant batting by Aussies. Ashwin isn't getting much drift and hasn't looked as threatening.

Crowds too for some reason have kept away. Not sure why. Pune being a city of thousands of students, empty stands have been baffling.
 
battler said:
It was not weakness against pace but complacency on his behalf that contributed to his downfall.
He thought he was in the form of his life, he could just come out and dominate against a fast bowler on pitches tailor made for spinners.
Happens to the best of the them. He will be much more focused come the 2nd innings.
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Are you claiming that Kohli does not have a weakness against pace that has been exposed time and time again by good bowlers or spicy pitches? Choose your words carefully.
 
Outbatted sure. We were shocking with the bat.

Outbowled? How? Aus didn't throw away wickets as crazily as India did.

Our spinners bowled the exact same way they did against England and Bangladesh. Umesh was very good in first innings.
 
Saurav said:
Maybe we can get in Pandya instead of Jayant and play an attacking spinner for Ishant.Maybe Kuldeep/Chahal

On such pitches you do need an extra batsman actually.Have to be flexible.Ishant does nothing

Who are those 15 bats against spin?Send them an SOS :srt
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I don't rate Pandya. I know he is groomed for the future but he looks like a hack with the bat.

I am ok with 3 spinners and 1 pacer too if the tracks are turning. Kuldeep can be tried along with a proper bat.
 
I posted yesterday that India should bat well in this wicket which is not a dustbowl by any stretch of imagination, we threw away wickets and now Aus again playing it easy on a wicket which is a sporty one,credit to AUS and shameful on our part
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Outbatted sure. We were shocking with the bat.

Outbowled? How? Aus didn't throw away wickets as crazily as India did.

Our spinners bowled the exact same way they did against England and Bangladesh. Umesh was very good in first innings.
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Australia have a lead of 300 runs. This is because they batted and bowled better than India.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Early days yet but I am hoping this tour is the most competitive test series in India for 4 years. It has gotten so tedious seeing India annihilate all and sundry. Australia have already surpassed my expectations after what transpired in Sri Lanka last summer. Most likely this will end up a repeat of India's tour to England in 2014.
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Australia have this tendency of starting Asian tours well before getting annihilated. This maybe the same

They had SL to the ropes on the early stages of the First Test of their 3-0 whitewash last year and even in UAE against us in 2014 they were competitive in the first few days.

Eventually they lose the plot so theres every chance that will happen this series.

Though its lasted for longer bit for this first Test and perhaps in an unlosable position but you never know
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Outbatted sure. We were shocking with the bat.

Outbowled? How? Aus didn't throw away wickets as crazily as India did.

Our spinners bowled the exact same way they did against England and Bangladesh. Umesh was very good in first innings.
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I am absolutely baffled as to how you consistently refer to wickets on such pitches as being wickets thrown away rather than calling them for what they are ie devlish pitch behavior (talking generally not this match)

Yes some wickets maybe innocous deliveries not doing much but thats the whole point. The pitch has messed up batters' minds where they are looking for demons which arent there and end up playing mindless shots
 
Bilal7 said:
Australia have a lead of 300 runs. This is because they batted and bowled better than India.
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Batted. Yes.

Bowled. Not really.

Check out how we got out.

If anything its their pacers who bowled some really good balls to get our top order bats out. Rahul, Jaddu, Jayant were irresponsible. Ashwin hit the boots. Umesh slogged and got out.

Name one dismissal that was pure solid spin bowling. I can think of only 2 and that is for Saha and Rahane.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Batted. Yes.

Bowled. Not really.

Check out how we got out.

If anything its their pacers who bowled some really good balls to get our top order bats out. Rahul, Jaddu, Jayant were irresponsible. Ashwin hit the boots. Umesh slogged and got out.

Name one dismissal that was pure solid spin bowling. I can think of only 2 and that is for Saha and Rahane.
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Mate every collapse ever is exactly like this.
 
Slog said:
I am absolutely baffled as to how you consistently refer to wickets on such pitches as being wickets thrown away rather than calling them for what they are ie devlish pitch behavior (talking generally not this match)

Yes some wickets maybe innocous deliveries not doing much but thats the whole point. The pitch has messed up batters' minds where they are looking for demons which arent there and end up playing mindless shots
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That's the point.

Is this pitch easy peasy? Not really.

But can you score if you get in? Yes.

That's what I am saying.

Not sure what you found surprising.

If you remember my posts, I was very very apprehensive of Ash and Jaddu running through Aussies in 3rd innings once India collapsed. That's cos I knew it would likely not happen and unfortunately it didn't.
 
Convict said:
Mate every collapse ever is exactly like this.
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I agree but some collapses are due to super gun bowling.

Say Akhtar triggering collapse of Aussies.

McGrath destroying Eng.

Here it was tight and accurate bowling mixed in with bad batting.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
That's the point.

Is this pitch easy peasy? Not really.

But can you score if you get in? Yes.

That's what I am saying.

Not sure what you found surprising.

If you remember my posts, I was very very apprehensive of Ash and Jaddu running through Aussies in 3rd innings once India collapsed. That's cos I knew it would likely not happen and unfortunately it didn't.
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Disagree. Every 6-7 overs there's a delivery which takes some wild turn and bounce and is basically not negotiable regardless of how set you are. So this is always in the batsman's mind and he will be looking out for these thus being nervy and not in total control. Hence will get caught up playing poor shots.

(Going back to previous debates on pitches we have had)
 
Lol at India



I thought they were supposed to win 4-0 without breaking a sweat :kakmal
 
Slog said:
Disagree. Every 6-7 overs there's a delivery which takes some wild turn and bounce and is basically not negotiable regardless of how set you are. So this is always in the batsman's mind and he will be looking out for these thus being nervy and not in total control. Hence will get caught up playing poor shots.

(Going back to previous debates on pitches we have had)
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Yes but there is something called as extent.

Just cos pitch produces jaffas doesn't mean you go and lose all your wickets.

If we dig into India vs England test match in Mumbai, Indian spinners bowled atleast 15 jaffas in England first innings.

England scored 400.

England spinners also bowled jaffas but not as frequently. India scored 630.

Now obviously you don't have to score 500 and 600 but atleast make bowlers earn your wicket.

What was Rahul doing? Playing comfortably but wanted to smash OKeefe out of the park with long off in place. Jaddu same. Jayant irresponsible by not keeping his foot behind the line. Kohli chasing a wide ball.
 
Syed1 said:
Lol at India



I thought they were supposed to win 4-0 without breaking a sweat :kakmal
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Heck you can't be even sure of beating Bangladesh 4-0 let alone Australia. India will win the series but would be much closer than anyone would have thought
 
Bilal7 said:
Are you claiming that Kohli does not have a weakness against pace that has been exposed time and time again by good bowlers or spicy pitches? Choose your words carefully.
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He had a weakness, not sure about it now.
You can't make judgements based on 1 innings.
 
Welcome our well wishers we missed u during the times we were on top :39: .Think the match will be over tmrw,unlikely we are bouncing back from this but hopefully we can atleast fightback.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Batted. Yes.

Bowled. Not really.

Check out how we got out.

If anything its their pacers who bowled some really good balls to get our top order bats out. Rahul, Jaddu, Jayant were irresponsible. Ashwin hit the boots. Umesh slogged and got out.

Name one dismissal that was pure solid spin bowling. I can think of only 2 and that is for Saha and Rahane.
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It's the mindset change that was inflicted by the pitch. Stop downplaying the opposition and admit that India have been completely outplayed on a pitch tailor-made for them.

Vijay, Pujara and Kohli were dismissed by the pacers so the only batsmen left are Rahane and Saha. So what exactly do you want me to tell you again? Discuss the modes of dismissal of some bowling all-rounders and tail-enders?
 
battler said:
He had a weakness, not sure about it now.
You can't make judgements based on 1 innings.
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You can't make any judgements until he shows that he has corrected said faults. Especially after the dismissal today.
 
Bilal7 said:
It's the mindset change that was inflicted by the pitch. Stop downplaying the opposition and admit that India have been completely outplayed on a pitch tailor-made for them.

Vijay, Pujara and Kohli were dismissed by the pacers so the only batsmen left are Rahane and Saha. So what exactly do you want me to tell you again? Discuss the modes of dismissal of some bowling all-rounders and tail-enders?
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Who is downplaying Australia here? I have talked extensively about the temperament of Aussie top order in first innings as well as their pacers and spinners. No point repeating them again in every posts.

Also if 3 bats are dismissed by pacers and others gift a lot of wickets, that shouldn't count cos 3 main bats were dismissed by pacers? You still have a sample set of 7 wickets. Do a breakdown and see for yourself.
 
Bilal7 said:
We shall see. He definitely shouldn't be having too many problems against Keefe and Lyon at home. Just has to ensure his weaknesses against pace isn't exposed.
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Salute hi bhai....dono cheeje cover kr gya .....run maar gya toh kahega expected hai...home hai....keefe shefie ke samne toh mar hi leta run....nahi maaare run toh kehdiyo...dekha mshkil pitch aayi pressure aya nahi maar hue run....bhai apna dono sides pehle hi cover krke chalta ki aage ek hi answer dena hai...njaare hai veere aish hai...
 
[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] You might recall our discussion about having a camp prior to the series to work with local coaches and spinners will pay dividends. They've only worked with an Indian coach for a week, already showing the results.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] You might recall our discussion about having a camp prior to the series to work with local coaches and spinners will pay dividends. They've only worked with an Indian coach for a week, already showing the results.
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Who that traitor?:srt
 
Bilal7 said:
It's the mindset change that was inflicted by the pitch. Stop downplaying the opposition and admit that India have been completely outplayed on a pitch tailor-made for them.

Vijay, Pujara and Kohli were dismissed by the pacers so the only batsmen left are Rahane and Saha. So what exactly do you want me to tell you again? Discuss the modes of dismissal of some bowling all-rounders and tail-enders?
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You should be the last person to talk about admitting anything,so just move on ,keep arguing and enjoy ur green bias.
 
Seeing today's match makes one think if Kohli has truly been the centre of this team,terrible if true because no one stepping up is absolute bonkers,most of knew about chinks in the armor but lol never did i think it will be exposed against Aus :))

Aus bowlers and batsmen deserve a lot of credit the way the played,imagine if an Asian team had played like that in Aus/Sa we would be going gaga right now.

Hopefully we fight back tmrw!
 
Collapse is bound to happen occasionally.. wouldn't loose sleep over it
 
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