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India v New Zealand | 3rd Test | Indore | Oct 8-12, 2016 | Day 3

Finally, can watch some Test cricket, though looks like it's going to be a one sided one - either India demolishes Kiwis or a struggling draw.

This Guptil guy is absolute wastage of space in Test side - already got dropped by the best catcher in Indian team. Hope, he doesn't troll me with a hundred!!!
 
MMHS said:
Finally, can watch some Test cricket, though looks like it's going to be a one sided one - either India demolishes Kiwis or a struggling draw.

This Guptil guy is absolute wastage of space in Test side - already got dropped by the best catcher in Indian team. Hope, he doesn't troll me with a hundred!!!
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How do you rate Shami?
 
Amazing how many times Ashwin gets the best batsman in the opposition team.

Got AB and Amla twice each during the SA series.

Got Sanga all 4 times in the SL series.

Has got Williamson all 3 times he has batted in this series now.
 
148/4

Good session for us. Need to roughen up the ball and give Shami a go before tea to see if it reverses.
 
This side is Australia levels of bad at playing spin.. making Ashwin look unplayable when he's getting little out there.
 
Wow .. after seeing the opening partnership, thought this would be much more hard work for the bowlers.

The pitch is still very true and nothing alarming at all. Guptill applied himself well
 
Good to see Neesham back in tests, guy is quality.

Hope he stops getting injured and continues to perform. Another batting AR who bowls pace. Then it will be him, Stokes and Mitch Marsh competing for the world's best.
 
Yay Guptil got a 50 which means he will be selected all NZ summer ffs, he still need to be dropped, was a lucky innings too.
This NZ has gone down hill fast, I cant believe they competed with Pakistan in the UAE 2 years ago. Just shows how bad NZ has become.

Neesham's batting is good, but his bowling is toothless. Think Watling needs to be dropped for Ronchi too and Taylor is on his last legs, and Latham need to be dropped to, he cant convert his starts into 100s.
NZ selectors needs to be aggressive and make change cos this team is only ever gunna stay around Sri Lanks/WI level with this team.
 
Timewaster said:
Yay Guptil got a 50 which means he will be selected all NZ summer ffs, he still need to be dropped, was a lucky innings too.
This NZ has gone down hill fast, I cant believe they competed with Pakistan in the UAE 2 years ago. Just shows how bad NZ has become.

Neesham's batting is good, but his bowling is toothless. Think Watling needs to be dropped for Ronchi too and Taylor is on his last legs, and Latham need to be dropped to, he cant convert his starts into 100s.
NZ selectors needs to be aggressive and make change cos this team is only ever gunna stay around Sri Lanks/WI level with this team.
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Guptill aside, this is probably the best we have.
 
And that's the last time we've seen Gambhir on a cricket field IMO.
 
So another poor performance with the bat. NZ has been really awful on this tour.
 
Aman said:
This side is Australia levels of bad at playing spin.. making Ashwin look unplayable when he's getting little out there.
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So what exactly is this NZ side good at ?
Spin not good
Pace not good
Batting not good ;)
 
Ash took 6 wickets.It must be a very spin friendly pitch.

Virat scored a double.It has to be a flat wicket.

How did both things happened in one match?

I am surprised how's the pitch playing here?
 
who are India playing next away from home?
I know they have England and Australia @home next.
 
Ab Fan said:
Ash took 6 wickets.It must be a very spin friendly pitch.

Virat scored a double.It has to be a flat wicket.

How did both things happened in one match?

I am surprised how's the pitch playing here?
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Virat scored when the pitch was flat.

Ashwin took wickets when it started crumbling. :bm

Indians will now score cos NZ spinners are bad.

NZ will crumble again to due 8th day pitch. :bm :bm :bm
 
Great to see how Ash has developed since the world cup in Australia. This was a pretty placid pitch and the match looked like it was heading for a draw especially after the first session today when Guptill and Latham were going strong. But turned the match with his after lunch spell. Jaddu was perhaps a bit unlucky not to get more wickets. Still it's encouraging to see the spinners picking up wickets in relatively flattish conditions. It's only going to get easier for them in the 5th day.

20th 5fer in 39 matches for Ash. That he has been helped by some helpful tracks at home is undeniable but even then it's staggering how often he brings the goods consistently. Coupling with the runs he scores, he has been a genuine match winner for India over the last couple of seasons. Would like to see him bringing his batting average near the 40 mark.
 
Jimmy Neesham was not out.

Looked plump live (eye tricks) but replays showed it was clear not out.

Feel for him. What a performance. Take a bow.
 
Ahswin is bowling really well here or NZ is playing badly? Based on what I saw , pitch didn't look like turning too much.
 
soso_killer said:
3 Tests? and 7 ODI's?
I thought they agreed to 4 Test matches going forward, has the itinerary been confirmed?
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7 ODIs will make more money for CSA, but it's an overkill. Better to reduce it to 5 ODIS and then make it 4 tests.
 
Both happened [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION].

He bowled well and NZ lost focus and played badly. There was a few over spell where he looked like picking up a wicket every ball but apart from he was just good (and a bit wayward at times). Nothing unplayable.

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Still not at his best. Seen him bowl better. The magical controlled flight he exhibited in WI (during some spells) is still not there barring a few balls.
 
When Ash is in rhythm and put his body behind the ball, he really does very good drift,dip,turn and bounce. Best offspinner i've seen after Swann.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
When Ash is in rhythm and put his body behind the ball, he really does very good drift,dip,turn and bounce. Best offspinner i've seen after Swann.
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Absolutely correct. His ball to Taylor was a classic example. The fact that he gets drift and dip is very good news. My only worry is how can we use him as an attacking option outside Asia? I think if India needs to win a test in Aus/Eng/SA, Ash has to play a big role both with bat and ball. If he is unable to take wickets, he at least needs to tie one end up and that is where I'm concerned we would lose grip.
 
EliteCynical said:
Absolutely correct. His ball to Taylor was a classic example. The fact that he gets drift and dip is very good news. My only worry is how can we use him as an attacking option outside Asia? I think if India needs to win a test in Aus/Eng/SA, Ash has to play a big role both with bat and ball. If he is unable to take wickets, he at least needs to tie one end up and that is where I'm concerned we would lose grip.
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Given his drift and dip, it would not be best to use him as the stock bowler, even in foreign conditions. We might end up playing only one spinner only in tests abroad, and 3-4 pacers. It would have to be one of the pacers, someone like Ishant, who would need to be the stock bowler.

There will be occasions where we also play Jadeja, and in those instances we should use Jaddu as the stock bowler.
 
EliteCynical said:
Absolutely correct. His ball to Taylor was a classic example. The fact that he gets drift and dip is very good news. My only worry is how can we use him as an attacking option outside Asia? I think if India needs to win a test in Aus/Eng/SA, Ash has to play a big role both with bat and ball. If he is unable to take wickets, he at least needs to tie one end up and that is where I'm concerned we would lose grip.
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Mate he will have to tie one end up and keep it tight in places like OZ/NZ/ENG/SA. No classical offspinner can be a wicket taking option in those conditions with the exception of maybe Sydney 4th innings or Durban. We need the quicks to pull their weight to take 20 wickets and batsmen to pile on the runs. As good as he is, Ash is still only an offspinner and he has limitations. as long as he is economical and scores decently lower down the order, he would've played his part imo.
 
Sidilicious said:
Given his drift and dip, it would not be best to use him as the stock bowler, even in foreign conditions. We might end up playing only one spinner only in tests abroad, and 3-4 pacers. It would have to be one of the pacers, someone like Ishant, who would need to be the stock bowler.

There will be occasions where we also play Jadeja, and in those instances we should use Jaddu as the stock bowler.
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Even I thought about that but that would mean we are actually not fielding our best team. I know horses for courses and all that, but to drop a player who actually is a decent bat as well as your best spinner would be a huge call. I think, if he has to succeed abroad, he needs to bowl those leg spinners (yes, sounds like a stupid thought), but i really think he has the potential to be a good leg spinner too.

Pacers stepping up is a no-brainer and unfortunately that does not seem to be happening. One good thing is we may finally have a batting lineup that is young, fit and can capitalize on poor bowling while also, paying respect to the good balls. Fitness , coz they can rotate the strike and not allow the bowler to settle.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Mate he will have to tie one end up and keep it tight in places like OZ/NZ/ENG/SA. No classical offspinner can be a wicket taking option in those conditions with the exception of maybe Sydney 4th innings or Durban. We need the quicks to pull their weight to take 20 wickets and batsmen to pile on the runs. As good as he is, Ash is still only an offspinner and he has limitations. as long as he is economical and scores decently lower down the order, he would've played his part imo.
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Agreed agreed. Have given my 2 cents in previous post. Ash playing abroad will now be the biggest selection quandary for India. IMO he has to be an automatic selection but sometimes wonder whether is he an automatic selection!
 
EliteCynical said:
Even I thought about that but that would mean we are actually not fielding our best team. I know horses for courses and all that, but to drop a player who actually is a decent bat as well as your best spinner would be a huge call. I think, if he has to succeed abroad, he needs to bowl those leg spinners (yes, sounds like a stupid thought), but i really think he has the potential to be a good leg spinner too.

Pacers stepping up is a no-brainer and unfortunately that does not seem to be happening. One good thing is we may finally have a batting lineup that is young, fit and can capitalize on poor bowling while also, paying respect to the good balls. Fitness , coz they can rotate the strike and not allow the bowler to settle.
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I meant playing Jadeja along with Ashwin. Given Ashwin's credentials with the bat and ball, he should be our first name on the team sheer irrespective of the conditions. If we have to play second spinner in a few grounds, the option should be between Jadeja and another leggie.
 
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Let's face it guys .... NZ has been completely out played by the Indians in this series at least. May be the Heat or spin friendly tracks or whatever.... it is same for both !!! There have been wickets in England where it is hard to tell the outfield from the wicket !!! It is what it is. There are no set standards for a Test Match wicket .... so the home team cooks track for their own taste .... it has been happening for ages .... nothing new to see here !!!
 
Buffet said:
7 ODIs will make more money for CSA, but it's an overkill. Better to reduce it to 5 ODIS and then make it 4 tests.
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7 ODI's are really stupid.
SA should play 4 Tests against the likes of England, Australia and India home and away.
It's so disappointing after CSA promised the public more fixtures against the top sides.
 
Sadevdesai said:
Let's face it guys .... NZ has been completely out played by the Indians in this series at least. May be the Heat or spin friendly tracks or whatever.... it is same for both !!! There have been wickets in England where it is hard to tell the outfield from the wicket !!! It is what it is. There are no set standards for a Test Match wicket .... so the home team cooks track for their own taste .... it has been happening for ages .... nothing new to see here !!!
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Dunno why you mention that in this case brother?

NZ got no rank turners.

They even got a seamer friendly track where seamers from both sides picked up lots of wickets and spinners played a support role (Kolkata).

This one is a relatively high scoring track. India scored 555-5
 
EliteCynical said:
Absolutely correct. His ball to Taylor was a classic example. The fact that he gets drift and dip is very good news. My only worry is how can we use him as an attacking option outside Asia? I think if India needs to win a test in Aus/Eng/SA and NZ, Ash has to play a big role both with bat and ball. If he is unable to take wickets, he at least needs to tie one end up and that is where I'm concerned we would lose grip.
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Yep, I'm waiting for him to perform outside Asia to have any opinion of him. Even SA spinners had a field day in India.
 
NZ deserves the same Test Ranking as the West Indies have in ODI.

What a club level team, this.
 
India and BCCI should man up and look to face a real test team rather than padding up stats with teams like NZ and WI and Aus at home.

If you're scared that your public can't handle Pak in India then face us literally anywhere in the world. Prove that you really are #1.

This politics excuse will only last for so long.
 
Suleiman said:
India and BCCI should man up and look to face a real test team rather than padding up stats with teams like NZ and WI and Aus at home.

If you're scared that your public can't handle Pak in India then face us literally anywhere in the world. Prove that you really are #1.

This politics excuse will only last for so long.
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It will last as long as India wants it to. What do we intend to do about it?
 
If it were any other country the politics excuse would surely run it's course soon enough but leave it to India to keep an excuse running for decades and decades.
 
So disappointed in the way NZ have folded on so many occasions on this tour thus far.

They're a different side at the comfort of NZ, but away from home they've been nothing short of shocking with the bat, and have bowled poorly too.
 
Barring perhaps England, NZ was expected to provide the toughest fight in India. So yeah they have disappointed but India have been unrelenting.

They drew their last series in UAE and can play spin - so not sure if they can exactly be classified as club level.
 
Suleiman said:
India and BCCI should man up and look to face a real test team rather than padding up stats with teams like NZ and WI and Aus at home.

If you're scared that your public can't handle Pak in India then face us literally anywhere in the world. Prove that you really are #1.

This politics excuse will only last for so long.
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Same NZ whom you could not beat at new fortress UAE or WI in WI where you have never won a Test series ?

As for manning up, well for a 4 year period when both sides played each other, the results read India 3 wins, Pakistan 2 wins, with us winning 2 series including one in Pakistan.

And no we don't have to play Pakistan to prove we are number 1, if we keep doing well, ICC rankings will continue to show that that whether you like it or now. Not that those rankings matter much, would much rather want us to win every series we play and compete well away from home.
 
Sherlock said:
So disappointed in the way NZ have folded on so many occasions on this tour thus far.

They're a different side at the comfort of NZ, but away from home they've been nothing short of shocking with the bat, and have bowled poorly too.
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They did very well to draw the series against Pak in UAE. Winning a Test match against Pakistan in UAE is something out of this world for any non-subcontinent team.
 
troodon said:
What? Would you say the same to Aus and SA too?

NZ at least put up some fight. They did not surrender like Aus.
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You're making it sound like NZ isn't actually playing as bad as it seems, nice try.
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
Same NZ whom you could not beat at new fortress UAE or WI in WI where you have never won a Test series ?

As for manning up, well for a 4 year period when both sides played each other, the results read India 3 wins, Pakistan 2 wins, with us winning 2 series including one in Pakistan.

And no we don't have to play Pakistan to prove we are number 1, if we keep doing well, ICC rankings will continue to show that that whether you like it or now. Not that those rankings matter much, would much rather want us to win every series we play and compete well away from home.
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Yes because a team clearly cannot improve in 5 years. Us having to beat WI in WI present day is going to prove what exactly? That's like asking a tank to blow up a cardboard box. Usually Indians are the ones who chime in with the "stop living in the past" statement when someone brings in Pak dominance in the 90s or whatever, yet here we are.

In present day (read: not 2, 3, 5, 10 years ago) if you really think beating hapless NZ without a leader like Bmac, WI is enough to challenge your team then you're free to do so.

But a number 1 team should be a team that is clearly better than the rest. Which you won't know unless it plays all of those close to its level.
 
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Suleiman said:
Yes because a team clearly cannot improve in 5 years. Us having to beat WI in WI present day is going to prove what exactly? That's like asking a tank to blow up a cardboard box. Usually Indians are the ones who chime in with the "stop living in the past" statement when someone brings in Pak dominance in the 90s or whatever, yet here we are.

In present day (read: not 2, 3, 5, 10 years ago) if you really think beating hapless NZ without a leader like Bmac, WI is enough to challenge your team then you're free to do so.

But a number 1 team should be a team that is clearly better than the rest. Which you won't know unless it plays all of those close to its level.
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You seem to be stuck with 'number 1' ranking, Shouldn't rankle so much. As it has shown over last few months, there are no clear number 1s. Also, yet to hear any Indian player shouting we are the best in the world, all we have seen/heard is this team will need to prove itself away from home. if someone did claim to us being the best, he must be delusional.

As for team improving or going down, well for comparsions only thing you can use is the last series played by hapless teams you named against the two teams whom you want to play each other.
 
Buffet said:
Ahswin is bowling really well here or NZ is playing badly? Based on what I saw , pitch didn't look like turning too much.
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Ashwin bowled tight lines, and our batsmen nicked off or played all around deliveries which were doing very little.

Kane's dismissal looked like he was surprised by the sharp bounce than anything else.
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
Same NZ whom you could not beat at new fortress UAE or WI in WI where you have never won a Test series ?

As for manning up, well for a 4 year period when both sides played each other, the results read India 3 wins, Pakistan 2 wins, with us winning 2 series including one in Pakistan.

And no we don't have to play Pakistan to prove we are number 1, if we keep doing well, ICC rankings will continue to show that that whether you like it or now. Not that those rankings matter much, would much rather want us to win every series we play and compete well away from home.
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This NZ side is a shadow of the team that toured the UAE and England. If they were to tour those countries again, they'd be swept in more convincing fashion.
 
Aman said:
This NZ side is a shadow of the team that toured the UAE and England. If they were to tour those countries again, they'd be swept in more convincing fashion.
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Why do u reckon is that? Apart from BMAc, everyone else is pretty much there. They in fact played spin very very well in the first test on this tour? I reckon, the problem is more mental, than to do with technique.
 
Aman said:
This NZ side is a shadow of the team that toured the UAE and England. If they were to tour those countries again, they'd be swept in more convincing fashion.
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Absolutely wrong. The only reason NZ has played poorly in this series is because New Zealand is currently playing against the best test team in the world and kiwi batters had to face the world's best spinner in this series.

When a team plays flawless cricket, the opposition team never gets the chance to play their natural game. That's exactly what has happened to New Zealand in this series. They were never allowed to play their natural game in this series.
 
For some reason, I thought this was the second Test :facepalm:. Just watching the highlights, the ground is an eyesore but the atmosphere is very electric.
 
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