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India v Pakistan | 4th ODI | Gwalior | 15/11/07 [Pak Inngs]

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i am sorry but the way last over is being played so far is completely bonkers!

singles are being taken leisurely, go for even u get out...come on
 
A wonderful innings by Moyo. He is simply the best batsman in the world right now.
 
Pakistan has been poor with the bat, looking without much purpose even after winning the toss.

We are 20-30 runs short(like the first ODI), and only some miraculous bowling can save us..We have to bowl them out.
 
30 runs short we are.

And it is ENTIRELY down to our TUK TUK batting when we should have been going for broke.

Anyway, I'm off to the markaz for a smoke, a bottle and maybe a quick browze in the DVD shop. Catch you later sisters.
 
Not a bad total at all. I know we are gonna win. just sit tight and watch
 
I think India would have found 280-290 an achievable target.

Probably minimum 300 needed today.
 
wicket will play totally different under lights but from what i have been seeing scoring quickly in first innings has been difficult - wicket also seems a little two paced..
 
Oxy said:
I think India would have found 280-290 an achievable target.

Probably minimum 300 needed today.
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and what about the usual saying about not knowing how the wicket is until both sides have batted?
 
Hash said:
30 runs short we are.

And it is ENTIRELY down to our TUK TUK batting when we should have been going for broke.

Anyway, I'm off to the markaz for a smoke, a bottle and maybe a quick browze in the DVD shop. Catch you later sisters.
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Which MArkaz Hash?
 
to be fair, India bowled the last 5 overs very welll butt here were atleast 5 full tosses that were not dispatched to the boundary.
very poor batting by MoYo. He was trying tp be too cute, sweeping, cutting, finessing the ball. He should have gone for some big hits, may have edged one or 2 to the boundary like ST did.
oh and Lameran sucks, I can't understand why they keep on giving his more chances.
 
IMMY69 said:
and what about the usual saying about not knowing how the wicket is until both sides have batted?
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Game will be over when that is determined....
 
the ball might keep low, i think a couiple wickets will come with the ball keeping low.

Go shoaib Go!
 
Just 8 extras given away by india!

Great stuff by their bowlers!
 
IMMY69 said:
wicket will play totally different under lights but from what i have been seeing scoring quickly in first innings has been difficult - wicket also seems a little two paced..
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I think your assesment is wrong.. Wicket was as good as they usually are in this part of the world..

Pakistan scored just 30 in first 10 overs.. didnt even try.. Malik was setting himself up.. and that all he could do..

Just 2 wides by Indians..

Wickets came only because of pressure of dot balls.. None beacuse of the pitch..

Pakistan didnt show intent even in the slog overs.. I think It was clearly a 300 run wicket.. If India doesnt change it in 40-42 overs, I will be surprised..
 
MMA said:
wat's the dew factor about what does it do to a pitch?
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dew has little impact on the pitch, it just makes the outfield wet, which in turn makes the heavy and greasy thus the ball is difficult to grip
 
Please bring back A. Razzaq to bat in the last 10 overs. No one else has been able to match his hitting ability as of yet in the last few overs.
 
what could razzaq have done ? his form was not that great but yes if razzaq can play his normal game than he is very good and we can need him !
 
Oxy said:
I think India would have found 280-290 an achievable target.

Probably minimum 300 needed today.
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I agree with you Oxy, but we have good bowling, which has not clicked, in first three games, so today is the day. somebody said something like "law of averages" when butt got out. well, just changing the terminology and saying that for our bowling today.
 
Immy96

your ability to read the game and the pitch is losing its edge esp. after your retirement. I think you need one more summer back on the field of play to regain that edge, how about 2008 (if only for the last time)?
 
Once again, we lacked a Razzaq-like hitter in the last ten overs. He will eventually be back.
 
Razzaq hasn't hit out in ages.

For the last year or so he would just come in so that the bowler could improve his average.
 
India could lose their way because of complacency as they have Irfan batting at no.8. They might leave the job to others and lose their way.
 
What utter garbage by Pakistan! Something is seriously wrong with these guys or they wouldn't have defended or tucked away full tosses in the last 10 overs of the innings! MoYo was terrific till the 40th over started, then he became a total novice at the crease. His approach helped India much more than it helped Pakistan during the last 10 overs

Defending this small total would need something very special from the fast bowlers
 
It is a very fighting total and India will struggle to make it up unless Pakistan are horrible in the bowling and fielding .
 
People on zee tv are calling Moyo's innings a perfect one.

not sure how you can bash the guy after he almost makes a century...
 
F16 said:
It is a very fighting total and India will struggle to make it up unless Pakistan are horrible in the bowling and fielding .
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Isnt that true always in a loss.. horrible bowling and fielding.. Common, for once think of blaming your batsman incase you lose..
 
I for one really don't think this is going to be an easy chase. The ball is not coming on to the bat, and strokeplay is difficult (no excuse for the 20 to 30 runs we are missing, however). Malik needs to be proactice, but unfortunately from what we have seen of him in this series means that only individual brilliance from bowlers can keep us alive in this series.
 
Caved12 said:
I agree with you Oxy, but we have good bowling, which has not clicked, in first three games, so today is the day. somebody said something like "law of averages" when butt got out. well, just changing the terminology and saying that for our bowling today.
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Tell you what, when Pakistan openers walked in to bat my brother ran towards me and said, "Have you included Salman Butt in your PakPassion Fantasy League?" I said "No. But why?", "Because the 'Law-of-Average' will come into play", he said. And just when we were talking I turned up towards the TV I saw Salman Butt walking off for a duck :13: .......

I think Pakistan team and its players have become far too predictable :( :( .
 
Plasma said:
People on zee tv are calling Moyo's innings a perfect one.

not sure how you can bash the guy after he almost makes a century...
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Watch what he did in the last 10 overs then you'll know why he is getting bashed. Its not all about numbers you know

I have no idea what has happened to Yousuf since Malik became captain. Before the WC, he was more than capable of accelerating the innings in the later overs and playing the big shots effectively. He has suddenly lost that ability
 
Its an in-between total, it may be easily chased by India or they can fluff it up like we do on many occassions. I agree with alot of posters that we are lacking a lower order batsman. The middle order seem to be worried that the lower order will collapse and their recent performance has indicated as such. Consequently players like Misbah, YK and Yousuf have been more careful than usual. Furthermore Kamran has been out of form which is putting greater pressure on the batsman and we are lacking the likes of the Razzler and to an exten Rana Naveen down the order. The balance of the team may have been restored if we had played Fawad but due to the dew he was probably overlooked.
 
Plasma said:
People on zee tv are calling Moyo's innings a perfect one.

not sure how you can bash the guy after he almost makes a century...
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With due respect to Moyo he is no Viv Richards. His other team members should play around him.
 
255 is quite a good target on this pitch.

India will find it very tough under lights although they are batting very low down today with Uttapa at 7 and Pathan at 8.

Great knock by MoYo.
 
Should've scored a few more in the last 10 considering we weren't losing wickets until right near the end.

Nonetheless 250 is always defendable, a good start from the bowlers will be the key.
 
Hasan said:
Immy96

your ability to read the game and the pitch is losing its edge esp. after your retirement. I think you need one more summer back on the field of play to regain that edge, how about 2008 (if only for the last time)?
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i love you man!!!

and congrats on the little one!!
 
DHONI183 said:
Tell you what, when Pakistan openers walked in to bat my brother ran towards me and said, "Have you included Salman Butt in your PakPassion Fantasy League?" I said "No. But why?", "Because the 'Law-of-Average' will come into play", he said. And just when we were talking I turned up towards the TV I saw Salman Butt walking off for a duck :13: .......

I think Pakistan team and its players have become far too predictable :( :( .
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so you also agree that pakistani bowlers will be right on target today. :)
 
Plasma said:
People on zee tv are calling Moyo's innings a perfect one.

not sure how you can bash the guy after he almost makes a century...
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SkySports calling it a fantastic knock also.

We are a hard bunch to please....
 
Oxy said:
SkySports calling it a fantastic knock also.

We are a hard bunch to please....
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How do you justify his approach in the last 10 overs Oxy? Him and Misbah were tucking away full tosses for singles when 6 wickets were in hand! Surely you have to go full out at the death of the innings. It was a great knock till the start of the last phase. After that he lost it
 
Indias realistcally need 215 to win.

We usually give away 40 runs in extras/misfields etc...
 
Usman Sahib said:
How do you justify his approach in the last 10 overs Oxy? Him and Misbah were tucking away full tosses for singles when 6 wickets were in hand! Surely you have to go full out at the death of the innings. It was a great knock till the start of the last phase. After that he lost it
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i can explain it to you...

moyo is a timer of the ball and not a slugger - once ball became older and something clearly changed in the wicket as the ball was gripping a little more - it became harder to score...

the ball which zaheer bowled to get out sohail tanveer was exceptional..left arm round the wicket to a left handd batsmen..the ball actually straightened to hit off...that ball definitely gripped the wicket unlike previous deliveries earlier n the innings...
 
Oxy said:
SkySports calling it a fantastic knock also.

We are a hard bunch to please....
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If we have this total on board, it is only because of Moyo, also Younus contributed well. Isnt it always the same story with our batting.....
 
Let's get things straight...it was good knock in the context of a scorecard....looking at runs, strike rate etc......but when you actually saw the innings - you will know Yusuf could have made a lot more.....he played some beautiful shots but was let down by his inability to slog..... Class player....good innings today....but could've made at least 15-20 runs more
 
Amjid Javed said:
Indias realistcally need 215 to win.

We usually give away 40 runs in extras/misfields etc...
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yes but you cant think like that, especially if you look back at history of pakistan cricket...

today could be the day where it all clicks int he field...not strange as pakistan are consistently unconsistent!
 
omg...i just can't believe that people here are still criticizing Yousuf's knock.... lol, this guy played his heart out on a tough pitch...with almost 100 strike rate.... and Usman Sahib...u r complaining about last 10 overs but if you see last 10 overs, they scored almost 80 runs which are really not bad on this pitch... i guess some people here just like players like Nazir or Afridi who make 10 runs in 5 balls and get out...
 
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