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India v Sri Lanka | 3rd ODI | Nov 9, 2014 | Hyderabad

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Batting like snails at the moment.
 
Saurav said:
yes and he got a chance bcoz Umesh had screwed up many times before,not just once
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That is where backing comes dude.

England conditions. Umesh can swing. He has pace.

That is what is called backing.

Also Umesh played a crucial role in CT finals.

If a bowler is performing, he is an automatic pick. Concept of backing doesn't come.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
That is where backing comes dude.

England conditions. Umesh can swing. He has pace.

That is what is called backing.

Also Umesh played a crucial role in CT finals.

If a bowler is performing, he is an automatic pick. Concept of backing doesn't come.
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Dhawal can swing the ball too.Whats wrong in trying a new guy instead of one who has done poorly before?Its not like Dhawal got 2-3 matches.And when Umesh did get the chance,he was again poor.

He did well in CT finals but was poor otherwise.Averaged 49 with ER over 5.5.Not sure why ignore those matches and go on only 1
 
Saurav said:
Dhawal can swing the ball too.Whats wrong in trying a new guy instead of one who has done poorly before?Its not like Dhawal got 2-3 matches.And when Umesh did get the chance,he was again poor.

He did well in CT finals but was poor otherwise.Averaged 49 with ER over 5.5.Not sure why ignore those matches and go on only 1
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Cos Umesh with pace can be more lethal.

CT was in England. Umesh was good in that final.

Pacers who are fast and can swing are MORE LIKELY to do well everywhere.

This is the precise reason Kohli gets praised. He backs real pacers while Dhoni prefers trundlers.

Backing is all about doing stuff that goes beyond immediate results. Its about the larger context.

If immediate results is everything, then anyone can be a cricket analyst, a great captain and stuff.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Cos Umesh with pace can be more lethal.

CT was in England. Umesh was good in that final.

Pacers who can swing are MORE LIKELY to do well everywhere.

This is the precise reason Kohli gets praised. He backs real pacers while Dhoni prefers trundlers.

Backing is all about doing stuff that goes beyond IMMEDIATE results. Its about the larger context.

If immediate results is everything, then anyone can be a cricket analyst, a great captain and stuff.
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No one praise Kohli more than Dhoni as a captain, don't mislead people here.

You always go by intution (what - would be, could be) and do not consider performance.

Umesh performed poorly before hence he was dropped. Now he is doing well, he will be a regular.

And yes, MSD backs spinners & medium pacers more where he thinks he can control the game. What is wrong? All captains have some sort of preference but as long as he is successful, no one should question.
 
I bet kohli would come in at 3 this game, he is missing out on free hundreds batting at 4 :uakmal
 
Big Boss said:
No one praise Kohli more than Dhoni as a captain, don't mislead people here.

You always go intution (would be, could be) and do not consider performance.

Umesh performed poorly before hence he was dropped. Now he is doing well, he will be a regular.

And yes, MSD backs spinners & medium pacers more where he thinks he can control the game. What is wrong? All captains have some sort of preference but as long as he is successful, no one should question.
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You and your comprehension skills. :facepalm:

I talked about that match. Kohli's attitude and praise was for that.

Not in general. No one thinks Kohli is better than Dhoni.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Cos Umesh with pace can be more lethal.

CT was in England. Umesh was good in that final.

Pacers who can swing are MORE LIKELY to do well everywhere.

This is the precise reason Kohli gets praised. He backs real pacers while Dhoni prefers trundlers.

Backing is all about doing stuff that goes beyond immediate results. Its about the larger context.

If immediate results is everything, then anyone can be a cricket analyst, a great captain and stuff.
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Umesh was poor in CT except the final.overall decent at best.

You go with 'CAN' with untested players.Umesh wasnt untested in ODIs,so you judge him by the results he provided.

Umesh has got more than enough backing given his record in ODIs.And rightly so

As for Kohli's backing,Hes backing them bcoz they are providing immediate results.How do we know if he'll back them despite bad results?In Asia Cup,he dropped Aaron after one bad game and even in IPL,he got in Dinda ahead of Aaron after 2-3 bad games even though Aaron did well in UAE leg.So,the claim that Kohli backs them anything more than Dhoni is bogus so far.
 
[MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION], please take your cricketers back to lanka.
They are boring the hell out of us :yawn:
 
Axar's spot in the squad for WC is more or less confirmed.

Now we need to see whether Jaddu can do well to hold his spot in the XI

If he does,it'll get interesting.Ashwin's position seems set.
 
So a game where a rookee Axar pick 3 wicket, Rayudu picks a wicket as well, a certain Ashwin goes wicket less :facepalm:
 
Saurav said:
Umesh was poor in CT except the final.overall decent at best.

You go with 'CAN' with untested players.Umesh wasnt untested in ODIs,so you judge him by the results he provided.

Umesh has got more than enough backing given his record in ODIs.And rightly so

As for Kohli's backing,Hes backing them bcoz they are providing immediate results.How do we know if he'll back them despite bad results?In Asia Cup,he dropped Aaron after one bad game and even in IPL,he got in Dinda ahead of Aaron after 2-3 bad games even though Aaron did well in UAE leg.So,the claim that Kohli backs them anything more than Dhoni is bogus so far.
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I understand that. As of now, Kohli is giving them first chance. So hence people are more appreciative of that.

But in IPL, Kohli initially gave Aaron a lot of chances at first. Later on went to Dinda after that loss to Rajasthan Royals from a winnable position (if I am not wrong). In T20, things can be crazy. No one is going to blame Dhoni for not trying out Umesh/Aaron in T20s where tight runs and strong batting can win you games.

But ODis are diferent. We need wickets from pacers with WC in NZ/Aus.

In England, Dhawal was untested too. Its not like he had a track record and I am asking you to throw a performer and try out people for your whims and fancies.
 
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Saurav said:
Axar's spot in the squad for WC is more or less confirmed.

Now we need to see whether Jaddu can do well to hold his spot in the XI

If he does,it'll get interesting.Ashwin's position seems set.
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Axar looks solid but not certain.

There is a tri series in Australia. That will determine everything.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I understand that. As of now, Kohli is giving them first chance. So hence people are more appreciative of that.

But in IPL, Kohli initially gave Aaron a lot of chances at first. Later on went to Dinda after that loss to Rajasthan Royals from a winnable position (if I am not wrong). In T20, things can be crazy. No one is going to blame Dhoni for not trying out Umesh/Aaron in T20s where tight runs and strong batting can win you games.

But ODis are diferent. We need wickets from pacers with WC in NZ/Aus.

In England, Dhawal was untested too. Its not like he had a track record and I am asking you to throw a performer and try out people for your whims and fancies.
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No track record is better than a bad one.Dhawal did well in Aus A tour so deserved a chance.But he wasnt backed a lot which is okay.

You mentioned CT.If you remember Umesh was poor in initial 2-3 games yet he wasnt dropped.Thats backing too imo.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Axar looks solid but not certain.

There is a tri series in Australia. That will determine everything.
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I meant for the squad.Hes certain for the squad imo unless he messes up too much

Interestingly,leggie hasnt been tried.Not Karn,not Mishra.So Ashwin's spot seems set unless they play two lefties(which I won't mind v teams having RHBs like Aus and Pak)
 
Saurav said:
No track record is better than a bad one.Dhawal did well in Aus A tour so deserved a chance.But he wasnt backed a lot which is okay.

You mentioned CT.If you remember Umesh was poor in initial 2-3 games yet he wasnt dropped.Thats backing too imo.
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Yes but one of the main reasons was Umesh ran through the Aussie side completely in the warm ups.

Dhoni prefers line and length fellows (well known - hope we are not debating that) which work better in SC but outside SC it harms us.

Like Pankaj getting a chance ahead of Aaron in test series. Aaron later outbowled him.
 
Saurav said:
I meant for the squad.Hes certain for the squad imo unless he messes up too much

Interestingly,leggie hasnt been tried.Not Karn,not Mishra.So Ashwin's spot seems set unless they play two lefties(which I won't mind v teams having RHBs like Aus and Pak)
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Yeah squad is obvious. Goes without saying.

Ashwin's spot isn't set too.

The Aussie tri series will be the crucial one.

Even if Ashwin bowls well and screws up there, he will be dropped.

If Axar bowls well here and screws up there, he too will be dropped.

That series will decide everything cos its in Australia.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes but one of the main reasons was Umesh ran through the Aussie side completely in the warm ups.

Dhoni prefers line and length fellows (well known - hope we are not debating that) which work better in SC but outside SC it harms us.

Like Pankaj getting a chance ahead of Aaron in test series. Aaron later outbowled him.
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Yeah you need some performance to get the backing.But still if he was so averse to him,he could have dropped him after those bad games.

Pankaj getting a chance was thought good at the time.Tall bowler replacing Ishant.like for like.We can't use hindsight

Aaron replaced fast Shami.again like for like.
 
kulkarni is the typical Indian trundler. USELESS!!
Not International standard.
 
Saurav said:
Yeah you need some performance to get the backing.But still if he was so averse to him,he could have dropped him after those bad games.

Pankaj getting a chance was thought good at the time.Tall bowler replacing Ishant.like for like.We can't use hindsight

Aaron replaced fast Shami.again like for like.
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Yeah that makes sense. I agree.
 
Bowlers like Dhawal even if they perform are not the future.

Just a matter of time before they get carted around.

Its as obvious as it gets.

The only trundler who is good is Bhuvi and that;s due to his supreme skills and brain.
 
Problem with Umesh is that he doesn't know how to bowl in death.

Gets carted in death everywhere.

That's a worry.
 
Ok Ishant is not going to bowl. I think this is why part timers got 6 overs

Hope he is not injured in this stupid JAMODIs
 
Sometimes I wonder whether we should forget about pacers and simply go with 3 spinners in Aus. One of them being Karn.
 
kulkarni won't be making it to australia mohair sharma much better death bowler
 
Yadavji 4 wickets.

If he works on his death bowling game, we would have a very good ODI bowler amongst us.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Sometimes I wonder whether we should forget about pacers and simply go with 3 spinners in Aus. One of them being Karn.
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International batsmen are aware of his weapon. That slow ball.

Mohit will be carted around in death. Will pick up some wickets but will be horribly carted around.
 
dhawan and rahane all set to open in the WC so rohit has to fight it out with rayudu for no4 position

and jadeja was poor in aus last time so Akshar got a great possibility to play at no7

bhuvi shami and mohit my pick for the pace dept
 
Batman_DB said:
dhawan and rahane all set to open in the WC so rohit has to fight it out with rayudu for no4 position

and jadeja was poor in aus last time so Akshar got a great possibility to play at no7

bhuvi shami and mohit my pick for the pace dept
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Nice try Mohit. he is useless.

Bhuvi, Shami/Umesh, Ishant + Axar should be it I think
 
Batman_DB said:
2-3 upfront 3 in the PP and 2-3 at the death he can easily bowl 7-9 overs
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I see that but we need wickets too dude. If pacers don't take wickets in Aus, we are screwed. So Mohit is a risk.

Plus after everything, if Mohit goes for runs in the death, then whole plan flops. We don't get upfront wickets from 1 pacer plus he goes for runs.
 
Noobosauras said:
Nice try Mohit. he is useless.

Bhuvi, Shami/Umesh, Ishant + Axar should be it I think
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umesh/ishant better upfront not that good at the death mohit can be good bet he might edge past aaron to take 5th fast bowling spot in the squad
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I see that but we need wickets too dude. If pacers don't take wickets in Aus, we are screwed. So Mohit is a risk.

Plus after everything, if Mohit goes for runs in the death, then whole plan flops. We don't get upfront wickets from 1 pacer plus he goes for runs.
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if not mohit then umesh is the only choice don't see aaron playing and ishant won't be fit after 4 test matches
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Did you see him CLT20?

He bowls at 140. Can be tested in that tri series. Rumours are that he could be selected.
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Yeah as I said very inconsistent.Was good in 2-3 matches but poor in the finals.Was poor in IPL too.

Zak is finished in Tests,but if he can stay fit,I feel he'll be an asset in WC with his experience and control.

Don't care much about his speed.We already have that covered.:D
 
Batman_DB said:
umesh/ishant better upfront not that good at the death mohit can be good bet he might edge past aaron to take 5th fast bowling spot in the squad
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Mohit is decent for T20 but he hasnt done well in ODIs even at death overs
 
Saurav said:
Yeah as I said very inconsistent.Was good in 2-3 matches but poor in the finals.Was poor in IPL too.

Zak is finished in Tests,but if he can stay fit,I feel he'll be an asset in WC with his experience and control.

Don't care much about his speed.We already have that covered.:D
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Its his swing. In swing that is creating a lot of problems.

A fit and firing Zaheer is a no brainer but not sure we would get that.
 
zak's death bowling and yuvi's role as a 5th bowler won india the WC so india need to have these bases covered
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Its his swing. In swing that is creating a lot of problems.

A fit and firing Zaheer is a no brainer but not sure we would get that.
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We already have good options for new ball.Death bowling is the issue and I'm not sure Nehra is the answer

Zaheer can be,but as you said,it depends if on his fitness
 
Dhawal is a trundler with no control. Should be nowhere near the national team. Why didn't Ishant bowl more?
 
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