India vs Pakistan vs West Indies - Which has been the better T20I team?

[BreadPakoda]

T20 cricket is close to completing 15 years. What started as a hit and giggle format is now possibly the biggest money churner for the boards and transformed the way we play cricket.

Coming to the main topic, while India won the first edition of the world cup, Pakistan achieved the feat in the next edition. Which team in your opinion has been the better one at the format, so far?

 

[ManFan]

PAK has always been the best T20 team going around. Most of the PAK players adjust to the game easily as they grew up playing tennis ball cricket. In fact, if there was a series between the two right now, PAK would win 2-1.

 

[barah_admi]

15 years? It's true international standing began circa 2007 so lets say 11 years.

As for which is better, this is a no contest. Pakistan by miles. They have produced some of its best players (Afridi, Gul and Ajmal are goat in the format).

The true debate should be about which is better between Pakistan and the WI. Thats a battle of the giants.

 

[dhonixi]

India. Pak is good till 2010-11, after that they are average side.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Head to head india is better but that's not all.
In wc t20 also india has a better record.
Last two encounters were also in favour of india but still i think its 51-49 in favour of pak.

 

[ManFan]

Head to head india is better but that's not all.
In wc t20 also india has a better record.
Last two encounters were also in favour of india but still i think its 51-49 in favour of pak.

The teams that met for the last two editions are not the same anymore.
PAK has had a revamp since Sarfraz took over.

 

[barah_admi]

Pakistan v West Indies - Which has been the better T20I side?

I saw the other thread and just thought as India are not comparable to Pakistan as a T20I side, whereas the WI are in many ways. So which is better? Who has produced the better T20 cricketers?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

India has also produced its own share of t20 atgs kohli, yuvi, raina.

 

[j_kazmi]

Well if there B team players can destroy bowling attacks like dinesh kartikh did yesterday then their team is obviously much better than ours.

We don’t even have a single player in our main team who can strike the ball they way kartikh did yesterday.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The teams that met for the last two editions are not the same anymore.
PAK has had a revamp since Sarfraz took over.

The question is who has been a better team, not who is currently a better team.
Btw even currently we are equally good.

 

[barah_admi]

India has also produced its own share of t20 atgs kohli, yuvi, raina.

hahahaha

Yuvi is an ok shout but he is levels below Afridi, Gul, Ajmal and if we're throwing out a wider net, Malinga, Gale, Pollard, maybe even Bravo, KP, AB, Amla.

Kohli is terrific but still below the holy trinity of AGA.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

West Indies.They’ve won 2 WT20s

 

[ManFan]

The question is who has been a better team, not who is currently a better team.
Btw even currently we are equally good.

A better team, head to head? Or overall?

 

[barah_admi]

West Indies.They’ve won 2 WT20s

That's the one stand out point but Pak have been more consistent in recent times and the 6 t20s they played last year, Pak won all of them didn't they? I also think Pakistan produces the better players more regularly.

I however, won't argue too much if that is the reason to rank WI higher. That victory over Eng was stunning.

 

[ManFan]

Since Sept. 2016, PAK has had:
1-0 in ENG (T20 Cup Runner-Ups in their den)
3-0 against WI in UAE (T20 Cup Winners)
3-1 against WI in WI (T20 Cup Winners)
2-1 against World XI in PAK
3-0 against SL in UAE/PAK
2-1 against NZ in NZ (#1 T20 ranked team in their den)
That's a fantastic record of 14-3, with away and home wins.

 

[dhonixi]

Kohli is below Afridi, Ajmal and Gul. Lmao, some people have unbelievable delusion. Kohli has 2 mos in wt20. He is alone better than all 3 of them.

 

[dhonixi]

Some pak posters take t20 outside wt20 very seriously. I hope they knew that teams experiment so much in these meaningless t20 series. All they care about wt20. How much pak did in wt20 after 2012.

 

[BreadPakoda]

A better team, head to head? Or overall?

Overall.

Head to head comparison makes no sense as India owns Pakistan there, especially in t20 world cups..

 

[ManFan]

Some pak posters take t20 outside wt20 very seriously. I hope they knew that teams experiment so much in these meaningless t20 series. All they care about wt20. How much pak did in wt20 after 2012.

Nobody is denying that PAK's performance in the 2016 World Cup was horrible while India's was fantastic. Let's not deny that PAK beat the winners of the World T20 that same year and afterwards, at their home. No to mention, that was the same team that knocked out IND.

 

[ManFan]

Overall.

Head to head comparison makes no sense as India owns Pakistan there, especially in t20 world cups..

Overall, I would say that both teams are neck-to-neck.
Both have 1 World T20 Cup win.
Both are very good at bilateral series.
Both have ATG's in the format. IND: Kohli, PAK: Afridi, Gul, Ajmal

 

[Oxfordchamp]

India has the best win loss ratio in t20 internationals among regular teams...only Afghanistan has better win loss ratio than india...that should tell you enough about India's T20 domination in last 12 years...They have been the best team in T20 period..

 

[ManFan]

India has the best win loss ratio in t20 internationals among regular teams...only Afghanistan has better win loss ratio than india...that should tell you enough about India's T20 domination in last 12 years...They have been the best team in T20 period..

Disagree slightly.
From 2007-2012, PAK was hands down the best team.
From 2013-2018, IND has been the best team bar none.
Now the next WC will show who rules the roost.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Disagree slightly.
From 2007-2012, PAK was hands down the best team.
From 2013-2018, IND has been the best team bar none.
Now the next WC will show who rules the roost.

I am giving you the overall record in the entire history of t20 cricket..

 

[ManFan]

I am giving you the overall record in the entire history of t20 cricket..

Overall, neither team has been the best because the periods I mentioned were dominant for that team. The stats are there for everyone to see. Even than, a difference of 2.3 is not a great margin between a #1 and #2.

 

[ravisurya]

Most international teams incuding India dont take t20I seriously beyond the T20 world cup.

 

[Syed1]

I am giving you the overall record in the entire history of t20 cricket..

Bhai for the first four T20 WCs Pakistan reached the semis or beyond every single time. India only managed to reach finals in 2007 and then I think they reached finals in 2014 and semis 2016. We had a dip in form after 2012 but our T20 side is back up again. We are ranked as #1 in the world and recently beat NZ in NZ a feat that no Asian side has done before.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

West Indies, and not just because they are the only team to win 2 World T20's. They have really shown that you can do things your own way and still win in T20s. They play an incredibly attacking percentage game where they don't follow any of traditional rules of building innings in ODI's (let along tests): play out tons of dot balls, not bothering to convert one's into two's, and swinging from ball one. That means they often can chase down and put up totals beyond pretty much everyone.

This is pretty unlike India, who still play T20's, as an extension of their ODI games. Lesser risk, still taking time to settle in, and going for the big shots later. They can win 7-8 games out of 10 and will probably be the most consistent overall side, but are very succeptible to an all out assault like Kusal Perera a few games ago or the World T20 semifinals.

I personally don't think Pakistan are close to the Windies but much closer to India; we take the the T20 format bilaterals more seriously than India, Aus, England takes them. Those teams only seem to take it seriously when you have multi-national events. We are actually pretty similar to NZ in that aspect who also have a good bits-and-pieces style team.

To summarize: WI >> India >= Pakistan = England = NZ >> Gap to other teams.

 

[Syed1]

West Indies, and not just because they are the only team to win 2 World T20's. They have really shown that you can do things your own way and still win in T20s. They play an incredibly attacking percentage game where they don't follow any of traditional rules of building innings in ODI's (let along tests): play out tons of dot balls, not bothering to convert one's into two's, and swinging from ball one. That means they often can chase down and put up totals beyond pretty much everyone.

This is pretty unlike India, who still play T20's, as an extension of their ODI games. Lesser risk, still taking time to settle in, and going for the big shots later. They can win 7-8 games out of 10 and will probably be the most consistent overall side, but are very succeptible to an all out assault like Kusal Perera a few games ago or the World T20 semifinals.

I personally don't think Pakistan are close to the Windies but much closer to India; we take the the T20 format bilaterals more seriously than India, Aus, England takes them. Those teams only seem to take it seriously when you have multi-national events. We are actually pretty similar to NZ in that aspect who also have a good bits-and-pieces style team.

To summarize: WI >> India >= Pakistan = England = NZ >> Gap to other teams.

WI side is so good, maybe that is why we have blanked them at both home and away recently. Maybe the WI you are thinking off was the one that Darren Sammy was leading, the WI side now is severely mediocre since they got rid of some of the big names.

 

[ManFan]

WI side is so good, maybe that is why we have blanked them at both home and away recently. Maybe the WI you are thinking off was the one that Darren Sammy was leading, the WI side now is severely mediocre since they got rid of some of the big names.

The WI have players like Gayle, Russell, Narine, Samuels for the big events. That's why it is confusing when comparing their previous track record with their current one.

 

[Syed1]

The WI have players like Gayle, Russell, Narine, Samuels for the big events. That's why it is confusing when comparing their previous track record with their current one.

Gayle has played 3 T20 matches against Pak all the way back in 2014 and he averages a world class 3 against us. He has never been the Gayle-storm against us like he is against inferior bowling attacks like India.

Narine has been reported again and doubt he would be picked till he modifies his action, because another report will mean immediate ban.

Russell is truly great T20 player and was missed by WI.


Samuels is Babar Azam-esque player in T20s, sure he can keep the innings together and score a 50(40) type of innings but he needs a Braithwate at the other end to hit four sixes of four balls to win it for him and WI.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

WI side is so good, maybe that is why we have blanked them at both home and away recently. Maybe the WI you are thinking off was the one that Darren Sammy was leading, the WI side now is severely mediocre since they got rid of some of the big names.

I really don't think that WI side we played is reflective of the full-strength side. I agree that the side we blanked was severely mediocre.

That's the issue with the WI in general; they have declined but their mainissue is getting all their big names to play in a single tournament together. They were close to full-strength in the World T20 and they were the best team. Whether that will happen again is hard to say.

Also that further reinforces the point I made about how we take bilateral T20's more seriously than many other teams.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

Gayle has played 3 T20 matches against Pak all the way back in 2014 and he averages a world class 3 against us. He has never been the Gayle-storm against us like he is against inferior bowling attacks like India.

Narine has been reported again and doubt he would be picked till he modifies his action, because another report will mean immediate ban.

Russell is truly great T20 player and was missed by WI.


Samuels is Babar Azam-esque player in T20s, sure he can keep the innings together and score a 50(40) type of innings but he needs a Braithwate at the other end to hit four sixes of four balls to win it for him and WI.

Samuels is the ultimate big-match player though. Turned up at both finals. Pretty much won the 2012 finals singlehandedly by dragging the windies to a good total. He's probably one the biggest unfulfilled talents of this generation. Reminds me so much of good ol' Carl Hooper. As an aside, he obviously chucks and shouldn't bowl.

Re Narine, we had Ajmal play a very similar role until he was banned for us. Probably one of the biggest factors in us being the best T20 side for that period of time.

Gayle is finished. Agree completely with that point.

 

[babajee]

The WI have players like Gayle, Russell, Narine, Samuels for the big events. That's why it is confusing when comparing their previous track record with their current one.

I really don't think that WI side we played is reflective of the full-strength side. I agree that the side we blanked was severely mediocre.

That's the issue with the WI in general; they have declined but their mainissue is getting all their big names to play in a single tournament together. They were close to full-strength in the World T20 and they were the best team. Whether that will happen again is hard to say.

Also that further reinforces the point I made about how we take bilateral T20's more seriously than many other teams.

They had Pollard, Narine, Brathwaite, Lewis and Samuels but we still smashed them.

 

[ManFan]

They had Pollard, Narine, Brathwaite, Lewis and we still smashed them.

Absolutely. WI got smashed home and away and there are NO excuses for the T20 WC champs. PAK beat them black and blue, 6-1.

 

[Buffet]

2007-2012, PAK was hands down the best team.

I see many series are being cited to show how good certain teams are. I am just curious why hands down any team was the best in 2007-2012 period.

From 2007 to 2012, T20 winners were India, Pakistan, Eng and WI.

Here are W/L against non-minnows for all teams in the same period.




Same record in W20,


Given entire record of this period, I fail to see why any team will be hands down the best team. You can certainly make an argument for Pakistan being the best T20, but not really hands down being the best T20.

I think, in T20 it's hard for any team to be farbetter than others for a long period. Shorter duration allows all teams to compete. That's why W/L ratio doesn't show huge difference like it shows in the test or even in the ODI format.

 

[ManFan]

I see many series are being cited to show how good certain teams are. I am just curious why hands down any team was the best in 2007-2012 period.

From 2007 to 2012, T20 winners were India, Pakistan, Eng and WI.

Here are W/L against non-minnows for all teams in the same period.

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Same record in W20,
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Given entire record of this period, I fail to see why any team will be hands down the best team. You can certainly make an argument for Pakistan being the best T20, but not really hands down being the best T20.

I think, in T20 it's hard for any team to be farbetter than others for a long period. Shorter duration allows all teams to compete. That's why W/L ratio doesn't show huge difference like it shows in the test or even in the ODI format.

1) What do you mean by " Pakistan being the best T20, but not really hands down being the best T20."
2) PAK made 4 consecutive SF's, 2 Finals, 1 WC win, beat AUS, beat NZ, etc. That's why I said they were the best team hands down because they were the standout performers during the first 5 years of T20.

 

[Buffet]

I am very sure data will show the same for other periods and India won't be hands down the best team after 2012.

In fact if you take entire history of T20,



India over all W/L is slightly higher , but I remember it being with others around 1.1 some time back. It's small sample size , so fluctuations will happen.

If you only take WT20,


WI may have made case for hands down being the best side, but they have not been so dominant in bilateral.

It's hard for any team to be really dominant consistently in T20. yes, there will be always one or another team in certain period who could be called the best, but it'a mighty hard to dominate this format for any team.

 

[ManFan]

I am very sure data will show the same for other periods and India won't be hands down the best team after 2012.

In fact if you take entire history of T20,

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India over all W/L is slightly higher , but I remember it being with others around 1.1 some time back. It's small sample size , so fluctuations will happen.

If you only take WT20,
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WI may have made case for hands down being the best side, but they have not been so dominant in bilateral.

It's hard for any team to be really dominant consistently in T20. yes, there will be always one or another team in certain period who could be called the best, but it'a mighty hard to dominate this format for any team.

Agreed.

 

[Buffet]

1) What do you mean by " Pakistan being the best T20, but not really hands down being the best T20."
2) PAK made 4 consecutive SF's, 2 Finals, 1 WC win, beat AUS, beat NZ, etc. That's why I said they were the best team hands down because they were the standout performers during the first 5 years of T20.

I take hands down terms as being the best without any doubt. Like, winning majority of Wt20 in some period combined with having the best W/L.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I saw the other thread and just thought as India are not comparable to Pakistan as a T20I side, whereas the WI are in many ways. So which is better? Who has produced the better T20 cricketers?

Please put some logic in your posts.
Ind has a better overall w/l ration int 20s
Head to head we are better
In t20 wcs we have defeated u every single time.
Both have one world cup. We also have one asia cup t20. So in no way pak is leagues above us. Your posts never carry any logic, just troll stuffs.

 

[Kaptan]

1) WI - 2 world T20 cups + average W/L ratio.
2) India - 1 world cup + great W/L ratio.
3) Pak - 1 world T20 cup + good W/L ratio.

 

[IndianFan2018]

T20I should be compared in terms of World Cup wins in my opinion.

WI is clear leaders with two T20 World Cups.

Ind, Eng, Pak and SL are having won once WT20; all these teams are second tier.

All other T20I matches outside WT20 are mainly fillers, used to test bench strength, new players etc. (e.g. recent Nidahas Trophy winners Team Ind, IIRC recently AUS Test and T20I matches happened with in one day gap in two different countries !)

 

[IndianFan2018]

Please put some logic in your posts.
Ind has a better overall w/l ration int 20s
Head to head we are better
In t20 wcs we have defeated u every single time.
Both have one world cup. We also have one asia cup t20. So in no way pak is leagues above us. Your posts never carry any logic, just troll stuffs.

Pak won T20I bilateral series in NZ; India won T20I bilateral series in AUS and SA 2

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Pak won T20I bilateral series in NZ; India won T20I bilateral series in AUS and SA 2

Infact we whitewashed the aussies.

 

[ManFan]

Pak won T20I bilateral series in NZ; India won T20I bilateral series in AUS and SA 2

Last time PAK played in SA, they drew and the year before they won. Obviously, this was a long time ago (2012,2013).

 

[BlackShadow]

In terms of accomplishments - West Indies
In terms of consistency - India

 

[IndianFan2018]

Last time PAK played in SA, they drew and the year before they won. Obviously, this was a long time ago (2012,2013).

Yea.. my point was some one mentioned about Pak recent win in NZ, so does Ind in AUS and SA. So not much waitage for such bilaterals specially in T20I formats.

Only meaningful metric is WT20 cups. As every team takes T20 WC matches seriously, all others are for experimenting and trying out newbies (Ind was doing experiment in Nidahas Trophy final ... that's how important these T20I outside WC's are, that's my point) !

 

[BlackShadow]

Btw, T20 records should be taken with a grain of salt until top sides like India, Aus, SA and England start taking the format seriously.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Btw, T20 records should be taken with a grain of salt until top sides like India, Aus, SA and England start taking the format seriously.

Obviously each of these nations have bigger business interest in promoting own leagues thank T20I outside World Cups:

IND (IPL)
AUS (BBL)
SA (T20 Global League)
ENG (T20 proposed for 2020)

Big boys will continue to have same attitude towards T20I going forward as well

 

[Syed1]

Yea.. my point was some one mentioned about Pak recent win in NZ, so does Ind in AUS and SA. So not much waitage for such bilaterals specially in T20I formats.

Only meaningful metric is WT20 cups. As every team takes T20 WC matches seriously, all others are for experimenting and trying out newbies (Ind was doing experiment in Nidahas Trophy final ... that's how important these T20I outside WC's are, that's my point) !

If WT20s are the only measure then these are the records of both sides:

Pakistan: 2 finals (including 1 win), 2 semis
India: 2 finals (including 1 win), 1 semi


Pakistan > India

Chalo jee time for you Indians to shift the goal post again.

 

[IndianFan2018]

If WT20s are the only measure then these are the records of both sides:

Pakistan: 2 finals (including 1 win), 2 semis
India: 2 finals (including 1 win), 1 semi


Pakistan > India

Chalo jee time for you Indians to shift the goal post again.

Worl Cup wins was the metric not where you end up in this lottery unpredictable format.

Saw how DK snatched victory in 9 balls yesterday !

If u feel Pak is second best continue to believe so, but it's only Pak fans opinion. All neutrals may not agree.

IND is having great W/L ratio, still I don't think it matters.

#cheers

 

[Syed1]

Worl Cup wins was the metric not where you end up in this lottery unpredictable format.

Saw how DK snatched victory in 9 balls yesterday !

If u feel Pak is second best continue to believe so, but it's only Pak fans opinion. All neutrals may not agree.

IND is having great W/L ratio, still I don't think it matters.

#cheers

Yes.... India sure showed how to snatch matches against 11 ranked Bangladesh

 

[IndianFan2018]

Yes.... India sure showed how to snatch matches against 11 ranked Bangladesh

I mean it is so unpredictable T20I bro .. I did not watch single ball live from last night Final. Saw highlights today, non events these T20I outside WC's for me

 

[Syed1]

I mean it is so unpredictable T20I bro .. I did not watch single ball live from last night Final. Saw highlights today, non events these T20I outside WC's for me

Here is a scenario for you:


Team 1: Smashes everyone and their aunt in the group stages and then gets absolutely demolished in the semis and gets knocked out. Final tournament tally - 5 games played, 4 won, 1 lost. W/L record of 4.


Team 2: Scraps their way out of group stages but then hits a rich vein of form and wins semi and final. Final tournament tally - 6 games played, 4 won and 2 lost. W/L record of 2.



As per your logic Team 1 blows Team 2 out of the water.

 

[Kaptan]

Here is a scenario for you:


Team 1: Smashes everyone and their aunt in the group stages and then gets absolutely demolished in the semis and gets knocked out. Final tournament tally - 5 games played, 4 won, 1 lost. W/L record of 4.


Team 2: Scraps their way out of group stages but then hits a rich vein of form and wins semi and final. Final tournament tally - 6 games played, 4 won and 2 lost. W/L record of 2.



As per your logic Team 1 blows Team 2 out of the water.

But, in the next World cup
team 2 again scraps their way out of group stages but this time they have ran out of luck and lose semi finals. Final tournament tally - 5 games played, 3 won, 2 lost. W/L record of 1.5

Team 1 again smashes everyone and their aunt in group stages and goes on to win the cup. Final tournament tally - 6 games played 6 won lost 0 W/L ration Undefined .

After 2 world cups
Team 1 - 1 world cup W/L - 10
Team 2 - 1 world cup W/L - 1.75

Clearly Team 1>team 2

 

[Dingolfy]

15 years? It's true international standing began circa 2007 so lets say 11 years.

As for which is better, this is a no contest. Pakistan by miles. They have produced some of its best players (Afridi, Gul and Ajmal are goat in the format).

The true debate should be about which is better between Pakistan and the WI. Thats a battle of the giants.

Dude, out of 8 T20Is we played, you have only won once! That too with BCCI not taking T20 internationals seriously! So think about that before going hyperbole...

 

[IndianFan2018]

Here is a scenario for you:


Team 1: Smashes everyone and their aunt in the group stages and then gets absolutely demolished in the semis and gets knocked out. Final tournament tally - 5 games played, 4 won, 1 lost. W/L record of 4.


Team 2: Scraps their way out of group stages but then hits a rich vein of form and wins semi and final. Final tournament tally - 6 games played, 4 won and 2 lost. W/L record of 2.



As per your logic Team 1 blows Team 2 out of the water.

Bro read my posts, I gave the metric as per my opinion. Did not forced as universal logic for all PPers to follow.

Coming to topic, WI is clear leader in T20I for obvious reasons.

Who is the second best? IND or PAK jury is out, not clear.

For Pak fans it's Pak and for Indian fans it's Ind, let the neutrals in the PP can cast vote if required to get outside opinion.



Most of the PPers can say who was the runner up in all ODI WC's till date but very few can get the WT20 runner-up name without checking Google.

For your scenario, I rate team which wins the WC is the best as W/L ratio of no use if you don't have silverware to show.

Hence WI leader, all others with 1 wins come in second tier.

For second best, I gave option of neutral voting..

PS: I feel this T20I topic doesn't even deserve so much of our time to be honest.

 

[RainMan_]

None of these teams r better than Australia. Australia will squat all these three teams like a fly if they field their main 11.

But then again, they don't take this format or it's ranking seriously and take these pointless t20 internationals as an opportunity to try out new players.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

None of these teams r better than Australia. Australia will squat all these three teams like a fly if they field their main 11.

But then again, they don't take this format or it's ranking seriously and take these pointless t20 internationals as an opportunity to try out new players.

India whitewashed Aus in Aus in a 3 match T20 series last time.

Pak has been a consistent T20 team whereas West Indies have the best players suited for this format.

 

[Hasan123]

West Indies are the better overall team out of the 3.

 

[Bhaijaan]

West Indies followed by Pakistan without question the two stand out T20 teams. They won most trophies, produced most ATG T20 cricketers.

India probably belongs in the second group of teams tied with Australia and NZ followed by Lankans, England etc.

 

[Bhaijaan]

A combined ATG XI from these 3 teams sums it up really :-


Chris Gayle
Imran Nazir
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Andre Russel
Dwayne Bravo
Sunil Narine
Sarfraz Khan
Muhammad Amir
Saeed Ajmal
Imran Gul

 

[BreadPakoda]

A combined ATG XI from these 3 teams sums it up really :-


Chris Gayle
Imran Nazir
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Andre Russel
Dwayne Bravo
Sunil Narine
Sarfraz Khan
Muhammad Amir
Saeed Ajmal
Imran Gul

Lol, no Afridi? Quite possibly the greatest T20I player ever.
And who’s Imran Gul?

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

A combined ATG XI from these 3 teams sums it up really :-


Chris Gayle
Imran Nazir
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Andre Russel
Dwayne Bravo
Sunil Narine
Sarfraz Khan
Muhammad Amir
Saeed Ajmal
Imran Gul

imran nazir? Seriously?����

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

A combined ATG XI from these 3 teams sums it up really :-


Chris Gayle
Imran Nazir
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Andre Russel
Dwayne Bravo
Sunil Narine
Sarfraz Khan
Muhammad Amir
Saeed Ajmal
Imran Gul

Sarfaraz Khan? Imran Gul? Where are you getting these names from?

 

[Manzoorsyed25]

Pakistan are hands down the greatest T20I team since the beginning. No team has reached the consistency that Pakistan had especially between 2007-2012 and then from 2016 till Now. We had a dip in form in between but that doesn't take away anything from our great record in T20I.

In the final of the 2007 World Cup we were one hit away from lifting the trophy had misbah played sensibly or the other batsman had stepped up infact even if you watch the highlight for that game hafeez dropped a crucial catch in the last over and carried it over for 6 had that been taken it would've been a dot and Pakistan would've won. Then we made up for it in 2009 which would've been 2 trophies in a row. Then in 2010 that semi final where hussey played the innings of his life. Had kamran taken that chance of ajmal early on in his innings it was Pakistans game and we would've advanced to the final vs England. Then in 2012 that semi final vs Sri Lanka where the bowling did the job and we crumbled chasing 140 odd and lost by 16 due to a batting collapse late in the innings. Wickets were thrown away had the seniors stepped up (afridi 0, malik 6, kamran 1, Jamshed 4) it would've been 4 finals in a row and who knows what the result would've been vs West Indies in the final.

What I do know is that if Pakistan made the 2010 or 2012 final they would've atleast won one of them and it would've been 2/3 T20I wins and could've easily have been 4 T20I trophy wins because we all know what Pakistan can do on an upward swing like we saw in the champions trophy 2017 where they knocked out tournament favorites England and India in consecutive games. had they clicked at the right team.

No other team had this consistency and this would've been a record like australias 3 consecutive World Cup wins which is unbelievable for a side like Pakistan with a corrupted system, no home cricket etc. Part of that success was because Pakistan had excellent bowlers in Umar Gul, Saeed ajmal, Shahid Afridi and Mohammed hafeez. Amir was also excellent in the format pre ban and took crucial wickets in 2009 final. Abdul razzaq was also good Sohail tanvir was decent and newcomers who played one tournament each like raza hasan and zulfiqar Babar also performed wonderfully on subcontinent pitches and contained world class batting line ups.

There was a time when all 3 top wicket takers were Pakistani infact afridi retired with 97 wickets and playerd a staggering 98 games (the next most games played by someone in another nation was 71) so that's 27 extra games he played due to Pakistans success in tournaments. He could've been first to 100 wickets and 100 matches if he wanted to and it really would've put his and Pakistans legacy on T20I cricket. Ajmal and Gul also finished their careers close on 85 wickets each.

Not only bowling but occasionally Pakistan batting took headlines in the world like when Umar akmal burst onto the scene in 2010 World Cup and kamran also in good form with afridi and razzaq providing late innnings blitz and the stability of hafeez and Malik who are world class in the format.

Surprisingly Pakistan did not perform well in 2014 and 2016 World T20 cup now this was due to a number of factors mostly due to a very aged squad where most key players cricket had come to an end like (Gul, ajmal, kamran, razzaq (afridi was also dipping but continued) and we had one bad game vs WI (batting collapse) in 2014 or we would've made the semis again.

In 2016 we once again took a very average squad with no ajmal Gul or hafeez available for bowling we only had a dipping afridi from the previous successes and extremely poor fast bowlers in wahab and Sami which really cost us in that tournament and also the mysterious batting vs nz in 2016 World Cup which could've also taken us to the semis.

Anyways since than we have had a win loss ratio in T20I of 14-3 and we have played top teams during this period now who's not to say that Pakistan is the greatest T20I team of all time. No other team has come this close to achieving this in T20I and Pakistan will be strong contenders for the next T20I World Cup with this talented squad under sarfraz.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Pakistan are hands down the greatest T20I team since the beginning. No team has reached the consistency that Pakistan had especially between 2007-2012 and then from 2016 till
Now. We had a dip in form in between but that doesn't take away anything from our great record in T20I. In the final of the 2007 World Cup we were one hit away from lifting the trophy had misbah played sensibly or the other batsman had stepped up infact even if you watch the highlight for that game hafeez dropped a crucial catch in the last over and carried it over for 6 had that been taken it would've been a dot and Pakistan would've won. Then we made up for it in 2009 which would've been 2 trophies in a row. Then in 2010 that semi final where hussey played the innings of his life. Had kamran taken that chance of ajmal early on in his innings it was Pakistans game and we would've advanced to the final vs England. Then in 2012 that semi final vs Sri Lanka where the bowling did the job and we crumbled chasing 140 odd and lost by 16 due to a batting collapse late in the innings. Wickets were thrown away had the seniors stepped up (afridi 0, malik 6, kamran 1, Jamshed 4) it would've been 4 finals in a row and who knows what the result would've been vs West Indies in the final. What I do know is that if Pakistan made the 2010 or 2012 final they would've atleast won one of them and it would've been 2/3 T20I wins and could've easily have been 4 T20I trophy wins because we all know what Pakistan can do on an upward swing like we saw in the champions trophy 2017 where they knocked out tournament favorites England and India in consecutive games. had they clicked at the right team. No other team had this consistency and this would've been a record like australias 3 consecutive World Cup wins which is unbelievable for a side like Pakistan with a corrupted system, no home cricket etc. Part of that success was because Pakistan had excellent bowlers in Umar Gul, Saeed ajmal, Shahid Afridi and Mohammed hafeez. Amir was also excellent in the format pre ban and took crucial wickets in 2009 final. Abdul razzaq was also good Sohail tanvir was decent and newcomers who played one tournament each like raza hasan and zulfiqar Babar also performed wonderfully on subcontinent pitches and contained world class batting line ups. There was a time when all 3 top wicket takers were Pakistani infact afridi retired with 97 wickets and playerd a staggering 98 games (the next most games played by someone in another nation was 71) so that's 27 extra games he played due to Pakistans success in tournaments. He could've been first to 100 wickets and 100 matches if he wanted to and it really would've put his and Pakistans legacy on T20I cricket. Ajmal and Gul also finished their careers close on 85 wickets each. Not only bowling but occasionally Pakistan batting took headlines in the world like when Umar akmal burst onto the scene in 2010 World Cup and kamran also in good form with afridi and razzaq providing late innnings blitz and the stability of hafeez and Malik who are world class in the format. Surprisingly Pakistan did not perform well in 2014 and 2016 World T20 cup now this was due to a number of factors mostly due to a very aged squad where most key players cricket had come to an end like (Gul, ajmal, kamran, razzaq (afridi was also dipping but continued) and we had one bad game vs WI (batting collapse) in 2014 or we would've made the semis again. In 2016 we once again took a very average squad with no ajmal Gul or hafeez available for bowling we only had a dipping afridi from the previous successes and extremely poor fast bowlers in wahab and Sami which really cost us in that tournament and also the mysterious batting vs nz in 2016 World Cup which could've also taken us to the semis. Anyways since than we have had a win loss ratio in T20I of 14-3 and we have played top teams during this period now who's not to say that Pakistan is the greatest T20I team of all time. No other team has come this close to achieving this in T20I and Pakistan will be strong contenders for the next T20I World Cup with this talented squad under sarfraz.

Whoever wins next WT20 apart from WI second time will be second best for me.

T20I and domestic T20 leagues work like Football...

FIFA WC > Premier Leagues > International bilaterals IMO

 

[JattMaula]

A combined ATG XI from these 3 teams sums it up really :-


Chris Gayle
Imran Nazir
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Andre Russel
Dwayne Bravo
Sunil Narine
Sarfraz Khan
Muhammad Amir
Saeed Ajmal
Imran Gul

Are you alright fc baahi?

 

[UN talkz]

A combined ATG XI from these 3 teams sums it up really :-


Chris Gayle
Imran Nazir
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Andre Russel
Dwayne Bravo
Sunil Narine
Sarfraz Khan
Muhammad Amir
Saeed Ajmal
Imran Gul

Who is Imran Gul, think it's Umar Gul
Who is Sarfaraz Khan????
What is amir doing in this 11