Down2Earth
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this reminded me of ganguly opening the bowling for india and hitting a mighty 67mph
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Blame it on the two new balls..
having a 1.2 B population of cricket hungry indians.......i expect em to have a way better bowling attack.
even NZL have better bowlers most of the time than IND, despite NZL's tiny population
I suggest Pakistani fans should concern about their pace battery, in which they had/have lot of pride! Because I don't see any world class pacer bowlers in their international side at the moment. All you have gotten isright now.
China does NOT have a 1.6 B CRICKET OBSESSED population
Have them play tape ball or tennis ball cricket on the street. All fast bowlers post Imran era came from street cricket.
India has never been known for pacers! If you look at Pakistan,they had Imran Khan, Sarfraz Nawaz , Wasim, Waqar to draw inspiration from.. We had Gavaskar, Mankad, Vishwanath, Sachin and others..... Even in street cricket we play, we always looks to bat...nobody cares to bowl! Bowling is just an excuse to bat in turns...
Have posted this before but I think it has to do with expectation. Indian fans dont expect good bowling performances, the selectors rarely drop players for bowling badly and to just keep the runs down is seen as an acceptable bowling effort.
By contrast, i forget his name but a Pakistan bowler came out here on tour, bowled badly in one game and was not only dropped but sent on a plane home and as far as I am aware will never be picked again.
so u think we dont play tennis ball cricket on streets??
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I can assure you that almost 80 % of boys in India play gully cricket
With tennis ball or hard plastic balls?
Junaid Khan, Talha, Zia, Irfan and perhaps even Amir, if his ban is reduced and he is allowed to play again, might shine in the near future. We also just lost Asif who would be contending with Steyn these days, had he not been caught up in the spot-fixing saga.
Plus we have the best spinners in the world so it balances out.
On Topic- Why wasn't Kapil Dev idolised by the Indian population? He was a pretty big star and although he wouldn't make it into a Pakistani all-time side, he is definitely an Indian legend.
Have posted this before but I think it has to do with expectation. Indian fans dont expect good bowling performances, the selectors rarely drop players for bowling badly and to just keep the runs down is seen as an acceptable bowling effort.
By contrast, i forget his name but a Pakistan bowler came out here on tour, bowled badly in one game and was not only dropped but sent on a plane home and as far as I am aware will never be picked again.
I dont see a reason why they need amazing bowlers because their batsmen have the ability to chase any target or to set a target so high that even their part time bowlers can defend it. We have much better bowlers and we tend to restrict teams for 200-260, but sometimes our batsmen cant even chase these low totals. Whats the point in having amazing bowlers if we are going to lose to (for example) sri lanka where as India just won in sri lanka.
I dont see a reason why they need amazing bowlers because their batsmen have the ability to chase any target or to set a target so high that even their part time bowlers can defend it. We have much better bowlers and we tend to restrict teams for 200-260, but sometimes our batsmen cant even chase these low totals. Whats the point in having amazing bowlers if we are going to lose to (for example) sri lanka where as India just won in sri lanka.
But imagine if they have a strong batting AND strong bowling! They will be invincible![]()
so ur bowlers r amazing but not winning matches,but our bowlers r crap n still winning matches.if ur bowlers r so good.shouldnt they defend low totals ur batsman put up?
I would guess that most of the matches we win are because of our bowlers... but yes what you said was my point exactly. I said whats the point in having great bowlers if we still lose.
my point is that u dont hv as great bowlers as u think.only Ajmal is great.rest r very inconsistent.if they were great,they would hv easily defended 330 against India or in that game where Mathews went bonkers on Sami.
The reason behind that is, Indian's are lazy when it comes to bowling.
And no offence intended.
I can't wait to see them!
Don't mention Amir and Asif, because it will just be new fresh start for them.
I have been hearing about this Talha guy, where is he? Why isn't he in the team yet?
What do you mean by a fresh start? The A's were on their way to matching our past greats which means that they had loads of talent and hence can't just become trundlers because of the saga.
Talha has the potential like I said, He bowls as fast as Sami but has better accuracy. He is still raw though, which is why he isn't in the team yet.
You will see what I am talking about if Amir ever comes back. Asif's come back is very unlikely. Bowler who has gone through these much and coming back and bowl like he used to ... is very very hard. Player's attitude can change in a year or two, and 5 years away from cricket is very long time. The question is ... does he even have the same appetite of bowling as he did when he made a debut? Does he even want to play cricket? If he hasn't been around with proper people once again, then we may have seen the last of him.
Sourav Ganguly wants the Indian bowlers to bowl like Shoaib Akhtar – Cricket News Update
Sourav Ganguly, the former Indian skipper, has slammed the country’s fast bowlers for their lack of intensity and wants them to focus on bowling fast, rather than thinking too much about the technicalities of the game.
Historically, India has produced a number of great batsmen, but it is a barren land when it comes to producing high quality fast bowlers. Over the last six decades or so, only Kapil Dev and Javagal Srinath are two prominent names in this department of the game.
Since 2000, a number of young fast bowlers have emerged through the ranks of domestic cricket in the country, like Zaheer Khan, Ashish Nehra, Ajit Agarkar, Munaf Patel, Lakshmipathy Balaji, Irfan Pathan and RP Singh.
Quite surprisingly however, all of them failed to maintain their reputation of being genuine fast bowlers and turned out to be mediocre medium pacers after a couple of years in international cricket, failing to keep up with the high standards of fitness required to hit high speeds.
The former Indian captain mentioned Zaheer and Munaf, who he thinks, had the potential to become world-class operators but feels that they never had the attitude of a great fast bowler. The ‘prince of Kolkata’ wants the young Indian speedsters to emulate Shoaib Akhtar, the former Pakistan fast bowler, who just concentrated on speed throughout his career.
"Our bowlers have no strength. When Munaf Patel, Zaheer Khan arrived they had a lot of pace but gradually they dropped down. It’s an attitude thing, to bowl fast. But the Indian bowlers think much rather than bowling fast," Ganguly said. "They have to be like Shoaib Akhtar, who thinks nothing other than bowling fast."
While talking about his favourite fast bowlers, Ganguly expressed that Glenn McGrath and Wasim Akram are two of the greatest cricketers of the modern-era. The former left-hander said that the Aussie was almost unplayable in home conditions, much like Wasim Akram.
"Glenn McGrath was brilliant in Australian conditions, while Wasim Akram was difficult in subcontinent wickets, especially with the older ball," the former Test cricketer added.
Dont know about McGrath in sub continent conditions, but, Akram has been overall excellent in almost every condition, be it in Australia, England, South Africa or West Indies.
So Ganguly wants all of 'em to start chucking![]()
Harby is the biggest chucker I have seen, Zaheer chucks blatantly and so does Irfan. Next?
So Ganguly wants all of 'em to start chucking![]()
Akram's averages in those countries -
England - 28.73 (good, nowhere near excellent)
South Africa - 39 (Pathetic)
West Indies - 26.88 (really good, but not excellent)
Dont know about McGrath in sub continent conditions, but, Akram has been overall excellent in almost every condition, be it in Australia, England, South Africa or West Indies.
Not true. Wasim struggled in one of those countries.
I think SA. Don't assume things.
He only played two test matches against SA in away conditions. The number of matches are not much to call it pathetic. One test in 95 and one test in 98, which oges to show he was not fully fit duirng both occasions coz you cant just play only one match, unless these were one test match series.
In ODIs against SA he is a great ave of 21 in away conditions, he won matches from jaws of defeat in last six overs of thhose matches alongwith Waqar.
Against Australia he is averaging 24 in 9 away tests with 36 wkts,
Against England his average drops when he is at the tail end of his career, he is averaging 22 vs england in 1992
Against NZ he is averagin 17,
You cant take averages over the entire career, Ganguly is talking about him being devastating in Sub continent conditions, this doe snot mean he was such at all times, otherwise he would not have averaged 31 against India in India in 87. In 1999 he averaged 23 something, so if you look closely he has performed in all conditions, he couldnt do it in every series,
Ganguly has been on the receiving end quite a few times when facing Akhtar, its great to see him acknowledging Akhtar's commitment and talent
Glen McGrath has been tough against Indian but not so much against Pakistanis when playing them in their own backyard. Against Pak he avergaes 31 whereas against India he takes a wkt every 21 runs
Bhai Sarcastically likha hai, bhawnao ko smjho.
You gotta check our mighty boom boom dravid fans here on PP, saying this was a 350 run pitch. Hence please don't blame our trunds.
guys we need to worry about too..we conceeded 185 too!!
Yeah but tbh, we still know what we're capable of/we've shown it...relax, we're fine
india....theyve always had a rubbish bowling attack
let's be honest here.... Is kami's and malik's performance like today an usual thing for pakistan? aren't some people kidding themselves (its mallik yaar....)
Yeah but tbh, we still know what we're capable of/we've shown it...relax, we're fine
india....theyve always had a rubbish bowling attack
India's bowling attack compromising of two old men in Zaheer and Balaji with Pathan, Harbajhan is very weak. Ashwin is the only bowler with quality at this level. Once again it seems the Indian are using IPL form to pick for this tournament, the quality level in both are worlds apart. On a decent batting track any target can be chased down by the opposition with this attack.
Doesnt matter how bad their attack is, 92 from 50 is a class knock!
I thought they had found a couple of 150kph bowlers..)
varun aaron and umesh yadav but they are not part of the squad ,maybe injured or not picked but they are around 140 not 150
India's bowling attack compromising of two old men in Zaheer and Balaji with Pathan, Harbajhan is very weak. Ashwin is the only bowler with quality at this level. Once again it seems the Indian are using IPL form to pick for this tournament, the quality level in both are worlds apart. On a decent batting track any target can be chased down by the opposition with this attack.
Lol. Your team actually did us a favour by tonking Balaji. Dinda will do a lot better than him.He is a yard quicker than the other pacers apart from having a good yorker. Also has a better record.
Indian pitches were much slower this year , where scores around 140-150 was defended in most of the games of the IPL. Balaji benefited from that.
They easily have the worst bowling line-up out of all top test playing nations but you cannot take anything away from Kami. He played a brilliant innings today when the pressure was on.
That is bias. Only on flat pitches are India bad. NZ and WI are not exactly better.
Sorry man, but Dinda doesnt worry opposition supporters either lol
PS: Good to see Shoaib Malik doing well. I guess marrying an Indian has given his batting a new lease of life![]()
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