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Indian bowling line-up - How bad is it?

this reminded me of ganguly opening the bowling for india and hitting a mighty 67mph
 
Even Pakistan's fast bowling has declined in recent times....infact fast bowling worldwide is in a decline...what a shame..
now there are bowlers like Steven Finn (who though is fast) but has no class of an akhtar or a lee..

Umar Gul wouldnt even have made the pakistan tour squad of 16 a decade ago...and now he is our no.1 bowler..
 
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Blame it on the two new balls..

nah..
i beleive when ODI's were invented, they always use to have two new balls ..they only changed that in the 1990's..so we cant really blame two new balls for the decline in fast bowling..if anything, two new balls should have given extra edge to fast bowlers.
can u think how deadly ambrose, walsh, mcgrath, marshall etc wud have been with two new balls...i can imagine how deadly a muhammad Asif would have been ...we would have used him to bowl his complete spell in the first 20 overs of an ODI..
 
having a 1.2 B population of cricket hungry indians.......i expect em to have a way better bowling attack.

even NZL have better bowlers most of the time than IND, despite NZL's tiny population

But NZL have never won any ICC tournaments, while India won ODI World cup Twice, T20 world cup once, World Championship once, No.1 test status and many other tournaments with this bowling attack.
 
I suggest Pakistani fans should concern about their pace battery, in which they had/have lot of pride! Because I don't see any world class pacer bowlers in their international side at the moment. All you have gotten is :sami right now.
 
I suggest Pakistani fans should concern about their pace battery, in which they had/have lot of pride! Because I don't see any world class pacer bowlers in their international side at the moment. All you have gotten is :sami right now.

Junaid Khan, Talha, Zia, Irfan and perhaps even Amir, if his ban is reduced and he is allowed to play again, might shine in the near future. We also just lost Asif who would be contending with Steyn these days, had he not been caught up in the spot-fixing saga.

Plus we have the best spinners in the world so it balances out.

On Topic- Why wasn't Kapil Dev idolised by the Indian population? He was a pretty big star and although he wouldn't make it into a Pakistani all-time side, he is definitely an Indian legend.
 
Have them play tape ball or tennis ball cricket on the street. All fast bowlers post Imran era came from street cricket.
 
:facepalm:

China does NOT have a 1.6 B CRICKET OBSESSED population

Cricket obsessed doest automatically translate to cricket playing, in fact India and Pakistan have more or less the same amount of people wanting to play cricket professionaly, despite the difference in population
 
Cricket obsessed doest automatically translate to cricket playing, in fact India and Pakistan have more or less the same amount of people wanting to play cricket professionaly, despite the difference in population

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:facepalm: this has to be the most retarted post ever
 
Have them play tape ball or tennis ball cricket on the street. All fast bowlers post Imran era came from street cricket.

so u think we dont play tennis ball cricket on streets??

:))

I can assure you that almost 80 % of boys in India play gully cricket
 
India has never been known for pacers! If you look at Pakistan,they had Imran Khan, Sarfraz Nawaz , Wasim, Waqar to draw inspiration from.. We had Gavaskar, Mankad, Vishwanath, Sachin and others..... Even in street cricket we play, we always looks to bat...nobody cares to bowl! Bowling is just an excuse to bat in turns...

Exactly! A Pakistani pacer has to be special enough to live up to the expectations set by the past greats for an Indian pacer however, it is basically a great achievement even to hit 140-150kph on a regular basis...

Think all they need is one really good bowler who draws inspiration from other countries rather than rest at the fact tht he is the best pacer for his team atm

It also might be a case of over caring as once they enter into the scene they are deemed saviors and told to protect themselves from injuries ... well newsflash bowling fast always come with injuries :akhtar
 
Have posted this before but I think it has to do with expectation. Indian fans dont expect good bowling performances, the selectors rarely drop players for bowling badly and to just keep the runs down is seen as an acceptable bowling effort.

By contrast, i forget his name but a Pakistan bowler came out here on tour, bowled badly in one game and was not only dropped but sent on a plane home and as far as I am aware will never be picked again.
 
Have posted this before but I think it has to do with expectation. Indian fans dont expect good bowling performances, the selectors rarely drop players for bowling badly and to just keep the runs down is seen as an acceptable bowling effort.

By contrast, i forget his name but a Pakistan bowler came out here on tour, bowled badly in one game and was not only dropped but sent on a plane home and as far as I am aware will never be picked again.

Abdur Rauf. He also dropped Watson on 99 when he was on his way to a long awaited maiden ton.
 
Junaid Khan, Talha, Zia, Irfan and perhaps even Amir, if his ban is reduced and he is allowed to play again, might shine in the near future. We also just lost Asif who would be contending with Steyn these days, had he not been caught up in the spot-fixing saga.

Plus we have the best spinners in the world so it balances out.

On Topic- Why wasn't Kapil Dev idolised by the Indian population? He was a pretty big star and although he wouldn't make it into a Pakistani all-time side, he is definitely an Indian legend.

I can't wait to see them!

Don't mention Amir and Asif, because it will just be new fresh start for them.

I have been hearing about this Talha guy, where is he? Why isn't he in the team yet?
 
Have posted this before but I think it has to do with expectation. Indian fans dont expect good bowling performances, the selectors rarely drop players for bowling badly and to just keep the runs down is seen as an acceptable bowling effort.

By contrast, i forget his name but a Pakistan bowler came out here on tour, bowled badly in one game and was not only dropped but sent on a plane home and as far as I am aware will never be picked again.

Yes, I agree we take way too long to drop bowlers who are not performing well. e.g. Bhaji and Ishant.

However, I also don't believe that some of the Pak. pacers are performing to their potential and still they are being carried on and on. :sami ::gul :cheema
 
I dont see a reason why they need amazing bowlers because their batsmen have the ability to chase any target or to set a target so high that even their part time bowlers can defend it. We have much better bowlers and we tend to restrict teams for 200-260, but sometimes our batsmen cant even chase these low totals. Whats the point in having amazing bowlers if we are going to lose to (for example) sri lanka where as India just won in sri lanka.
 
I dont see a reason why they need amazing bowlers because their batsmen have the ability to chase any target or to set a target so high that even their part time bowlers can defend it. We have much better bowlers and we tend to restrict teams for 200-260, but sometimes our batsmen cant even chase these low totals. Whats the point in having amazing bowlers if we are going to lose to (for example) sri lanka where as India just won in sri lanka.

But imagine if they have a strong batting AND strong bowling! They will be invincible :wg
 
I dont see a reason why they need amazing bowlers because their batsmen have the ability to chase any target or to set a target so high that even their part time bowlers can defend it. We have much better bowlers and we tend to restrict teams for 200-260, but sometimes our batsmen cant even chase these low totals. Whats the point in having amazing bowlers if we are going to lose to (for example) sri lanka where as India just won in sri lanka.

so ur bowlers r amazing but not winning matches,but our bowlers r crap n still winning matches.if ur bowlers r so good.shouldnt they defend low totals ur batsman put up?
 
so ur bowlers r amazing but not winning matches,but our bowlers r crap n still winning matches.if ur bowlers r so good.shouldnt they defend low totals ur batsman put up?

I would guess that most of the matches we win are because of our bowlers... but yes what you said was my point exactly. I said whats the point in having great bowlers if we still lose.
 
I would guess that most of the matches we win are because of our bowlers... but yes what you said was my point exactly. I said whats the point in having great bowlers if we still lose.

my point is that u dont hv as great bowlers as u think.only Ajmal is great.rest r very inconsistent.if they were great,they would hv easily defended 330 against India or in that game where Mathews went bonkers on Sami.
 
my point is that u dont hv as great bowlers as u think.only Ajmal is great.rest r very inconsistent.if they were great,they would hv easily defended 330 against India or in that game where Mathews went bonkers on Sami.

LOL Sami is an exception, I am talking about Junaid, Rehman, Hafeez, Afridi, Sohail tanvir, Gul (at times). This bowling attack is only 2 years after we lost our two best bowlers, and in that context it is pretty amazing. If you remember the second test match against england in UAE, PAK defended 145 against an england side who was looking to draw. Or the 4th ODI against sri lanka last year, we defended 200. Granted we have our low moments as well but the bowlers cant always bail the batsmen out...
 
The reason behind that is, Indian's are lazy when it comes to bowling.

And no offence intended.
 
I can't wait to see them!

Don't mention Amir and Asif, because it will just be new fresh start for them.

I have been hearing about this Talha guy, where is he? Why isn't he in the team yet?

What do you mean by a fresh start? The A's were on their way to matching our past greats which means that they had loads of talent and hence can't just become trundlers because of the saga.

Talha has the potential like I said, He bowls as fast as Sami but has better accuracy. He is still raw though, which is why he isn't in the team yet.
 
What do you mean by a fresh start? The A's were on their way to matching our past greats which means that they had loads of talent and hence can't just become trundlers because of the saga.

Talha has the potential like I said, He bowls as fast as Sami but has better accuracy. He is still raw though, which is why he isn't in the team yet.

You will see what I am talking about if Amir ever comes back. Asif's come back is very unlikely. Bowler who has gone through these much and coming back and bowl like he used to ... is very very hard. Player's attitude can change in a year or two, and 5 years away from cricket is very long time. The question is ... does he even have the same appetite of bowling as he did when he made a debut? Does he even want to play cricket? If he hasn't been around with proper people once again, then we may have seen the last of him.
 
Take a look at the PPCL, most of the Indian's signed up as batsmen. This is very telling.
 
You will see what I am talking about if Amir ever comes back. Asif's come back is very unlikely. Bowler who has gone through these much and coming back and bowl like he used to ... is very very hard. Player's attitude can change in a year or two, and 5 years away from cricket is very long time. The question is ... does he even have the same appetite of bowling as he did when he made a debut? Does he even want to play cricket? If he hasn't been around with proper people once again, then we may have seen the last of him.

Good point but hopefully you are proved wrong. We don't want Kohli doing to us what Sachin did now do we?

Here's hoping that Amir makes Kohli his bunny in the near future.
 
I wonder who I should concern first for being hopeless in PP Indians or their bowling?!
 
Sourav Ganguly wants the Indian bowlers to bowl like Shoaib Akhtar

Sourav Ganguly wants the Indian bowlers to bowl like Shoaib Akhtar


Sourav Ganguly wants the Indian bowlers to bowl like Shoaib Akhtar – Cricket News Update

Sourav Ganguly, the former Indian skipper, has slammed the country’s fast bowlers for their lack of intensity and wants them to focus on bowling fast, rather than thinking too much about the technicalities of the game.

Historically, India has produced a number of great batsmen, but it is a barren land when it comes to producing high quality fast bowlers. Over the last six decades or so, only Kapil Dev and Javagal Srinath are two prominent names in this department of the game.

Since 2000, a number of young fast bowlers have emerged through the ranks of domestic cricket in the country, like Zaheer Khan, Ashish Nehra, Ajit Agarkar, Munaf Patel, Lakshmipathy Balaji, Irfan Pathan and RP Singh.

Quite surprisingly however, all of them failed to maintain their reputation of being genuine fast bowlers and turned out to be mediocre medium pacers after a couple of years in international cricket, failing to keep up with the high standards of fitness required to hit high speeds.

The former Indian captain mentioned Zaheer and Munaf, who he thinks, had the potential to become world-class operators but feels that they never had the attitude of a great fast bowler. The ‘prince of Kolkata’ wants the young Indian speedsters to emulate Shoaib Akhtar, the former Pakistan fast bowler, who just concentrated on speed throughout his career.

"Our bowlers have no strength. When Munaf Patel, Zaheer Khan arrived they had a lot of pace but gradually they dropped down. It’s an attitude thing, to bowl fast. But the Indian bowlers think much rather than bowling fast," Ganguly said. "They have to be like Shoaib Akhtar, who thinks nothing other than bowling fast."

While talking about his favourite fast bowlers, Ganguly expressed that Glenn McGrath and Wasim Akram are two of the greatest cricketers of the modern-era. The former left-hander said that the Aussie was almost unplayable in home conditions, much like Wasim Akram.

"Glenn McGrath was brilliant in Australian conditions, while Wasim Akram was difficult in subcontinent wickets, especially with the older ball," the former Test cricketer added.


http://blogs.bettor.com/Sourav-Gang...ike-Shoaib-Akhtar-Cricket-News-Update-a179813
 
Ganguly has been on the receiving end quite a few times when facing Akhtar, its great to see him acknowledging Akhtar's commitment and talent
 
Dont know about McGrath in sub continent conditions, but, Akram has been overall excellent in almost every condition, be it in Australia, England, South Africa or West Indies.
 
Even Pakistanis want their young ones to bowl like Ahthar...don't they???
Not everyone is gifted
 
Dont know about McGrath in sub continent conditions, but, Akram has been overall excellent in almost every condition, be it in Australia, England, South Africa or West Indies.

Akram's averages in those countries -

England - 28.73 (good, nowhere near excellent)

South Africa - 39 (Pathetic)

West Indies - 26.88 (really good, but not excellent)
 
Akram's averages in those countries -

England - 28.73 (good, nowhere near excellent)

South Africa - 39 (Pathetic)

West Indies - 26.88 (really good, but not excellent)

He only played two test matches against SA in away conditions. The number of matches are not much to call it pathetic. One test in 95 and one test in 98, which oges to show he was not fully fit duirng both occasions coz you cant just play only one match, unless these were one test match series.

In ODIs against SA he is a great ave of 21 in away conditions, he won matches from jaws of defeat in last six overs of thhose matches alongwith Waqar.

Against Australia he is averaging 24 in 9 away tests with 36 wkts,

Against England his average drops when he is at the tail end of his career, he is averaging 22 vs england in 1992

Against NZ he is averagin 17,

You cant take averages over the entire career, Ganguly is talking about him being devastating in Sub continent conditions, this doe snot mean he was such at all times, otherwise he would not have averaged 31 against India in India in 87. In 1999 he averaged 23 something, so if you look closely he has performed in all conditions, he couldnt do it in every series,
 
Glen McGrath has been tough against Indian but not so much against Pakistanis when playing them in their own backyard. Against Pak he avergaes 31 whereas against India he takes a wkt every 21 runs
 
Dont know about McGrath in sub continent conditions, but, Akram has been overall excellent in almost every condition, be it in Australia, England, South Africa or West Indies.

Not true. Wasim struggled in one of those countries.
I think SA. Don't assume things.
 
Not true. Wasim struggled in one of those countries.
I think SA. Don't assume things.

He only played two test matches against SA in away conditions. The number of matches are not much to call it pathetic. One test in 95 and one test in 98, which oges to show he was not fully fit duirng both occasions coz you cant just play only one match, unless these were one test match series.

In ODIs against SA he is a great ave of 21 in away conditions, he won matches from jaws of defeat in last six overs of thhose matches alongwith Waqar.

Against Australia he is averaging 24 in 9 away tests with 36 wkts,

Against England his average drops when he is at the tail end of his career, he is averaging 22 vs england in 1992

Against NZ he is averagin 17,

You cant take averages over the entire career, Ganguly is talking about him being devastating in Sub continent conditions, this doe snot mean he was such at all times, otherwise he would not have averaged 31 against India in India in 87. In 1999 he averaged 23 something, so if you look closely he has performed in all conditions, he couldnt do it in every series,

I didn't know about that poor avg. in SA when I posted that, I clearly remember mentioning his struggles in SA few years back.
 
Ganguly has been on the receiving end quite a few times when facing Akhtar, its great to see him acknowledging Akhtar's commitment and talent

Akhtar was the only one who troubled him at his peak from 1996 to 2002. Ganguly did well against Wasim and the rest, the ODI hundred in Aus in 1999 is one of his best tons then. He had another ton in the same triseries vs Mcgrath and Co. as well. His poor(actually pathetic) form from 2003-05 made people forget what a good batsman he was in the late 90s, even in tests, many times better than SRT.
 
Glen McGrath has been tough against Indian but not so much against Pakistanis when playing them in their own backyard. Against Pak he avergaes 31 whereas against India he takes a wkt every 21 runs

It was only in 2004 that he decipered the Indian conditions.
Arguably , Tendulkar's absence due to injury was very helpful. Dravid has always sucked against Mcgrath except that 180 at Kolkata which puts a blanket on his crappiness against Mcgrath.
 
Indian Bowling Attack: Kamran Akmal 92 (50 Balls)

Stats tell the story. I don't have to mention anything. This thread is about Indian Bowling Attack :D

Also Shoaib Malik is very useful against India.
 
Doesnt matter how bad their attack is, 92 from 50 is a class knock!
 
guys we need to worry about too..we conceeded 185 too!!

Yeah but tbh, we still know what we're capable of/we've shown it...relax, we're fine

india....theyve always had a rubbish bowling attack
 
Yeah but tbh, we still know what we're capable of/we've shown it...relax, we're fine

india....theyve always had a rubbish bowling attack

let's be honest here.... Is kami's and malik's performance like today an usual thing for pakistan? aren't some people kidding themselves (its mallik yaar.... :D)
 
let's be honest here.... Is kami's and malik's performance like today an usual thing for pakistan? aren't some people kidding themselves (its mallik yaar.... :D)

No ones saying 'our batting line up is AWESOME' lol but it can/does sometimes click...however we've still got our bowling (our spinners against any other team in the world, including SL to an extent) can still do the job.

india's bowling though...never seems to click at all
 
Yeah but tbh, we still know what we're capable of/we've shown it...relax, we're fine

india....theyve always had a rubbish bowling attack

yaar its not time to relax. we still have to play one more game with india in super eight! We can not relax having sami, afridi and tanveer in bowling line up!
 
India's bowling attack compromising of two old men in Zaheer and Balaji with Pathan, Harbajhan is very weak. Ashwin is the only bowler with quality at this level. Once again it seems the Indian are using IPL form to pick for this tournament, the quality level in both are worlds apart. On a decent batting track any target can be chased down by the opposition with this attack.
 
what happened to the new quick bowlers they found? what happened to rp singh? what has happened to zaheer's pace? ashwin was lucky to get those wickets..this bowling attack is a joke...but it's srilanka...if zaheer and pathan get some swing they can still go good.
Felt so good so see indians get spanked today though :')
 
India's bowling attack compromising of two old men in Zaheer and Balaji with Pathan, Harbajhan is very weak. Ashwin is the only bowler with quality at this level. Once again it seems the Indian are using IPL form to pick for this tournament, the quality level in both are worlds apart. On a decent batting track any target can be chased down by the opposition with this attack.

I have to sadly agree , I used to defend these guys but not anymore.The truth is for everyone to see now. Heart broken fan from India.
 
Doesnt matter how bad their attack is, 92 from 50 is a class knock!

+1 top post!!..they just defended 150 ish against Sri Lanka yesterday I think so not that bad as people assume.It was just Kami's day..
 
what ?? They couldn't defend 185 ?? :D

Good lesson for Dhoni to learn that you can't always post 200+. Come on now work on your bowling guys.
 
They easily have the worst bowling line-up out of all top test playing nations but you cannot take anything away from Kami. He played a brilliant innings today when the pressure was on.
 
India's bowling attack compromising of two old men in Zaheer and Balaji with Pathan, Harbajhan is very weak. Ashwin is the only bowler with quality at this level. Once again it seems the Indian are using IPL form to pick for this tournament, the quality level in both are worlds apart. On a decent batting track any target can be chased down by the opposition with this attack.

Lol. Your team actually did us a favour by tonking Balaji. Dinda will do a lot better than him.He is a yard quicker than the other pacers apart from having a good yorker. Also has a better record.
Indian pitches were much slower this year , where scores around 140-150 was defended in most of the games of the IPL. Balaji benefited from that.
 
Recently there was thread, that soon indian is gone take over Pakistan in fast bowling department I wish I could dig it up. I want to see the arguement was based on which players so we can see who are already gone out of that list.
 
Lol. Your team actually did us a favour by tonking Balaji. Dinda will do a lot better than him.He is a yard quicker than the other pacers apart from having a good yorker. Also has a better record.
Indian pitches were much slower this year , where scores around 140-150 was defended in most of the games of the IPL. Balaji benefited from that.

Sorry man, but Dinda doesnt worry opposition supporters either lol
 
They easily have the worst bowling line-up out of all top test playing nations but you cannot take anything away from Kami. He played a brilliant innings today when the pressure was on.

That is bias. Only on flat pitches are India bad. NZ and WI are not exactly better.
 
That is bias. Only on flat pitches are India bad. NZ and WI are not exactly better.

Newzealand have SOuthee and WestIndies have always had fast bowlers ... not accurate but they are fast

Any ways I do agree Indian bowlers will be handful on these slow tracks

Prob is they are told to bowl negative lines and not pick up wickets ... tht for me is a big no for any kind of bowler... i mean look at Balajis line today, bowled yorkers on the offside line ... sure it will work some days but u will never be a great bowler with tht mindset
 
We came across a brilliant knock..nothing more could be done.

As far as our bowling goes its poor but not as bad as it looks..we have won lots of tournaments with poorer attacks :D Kami was special today and malik delivered when it mattered.

I believed we played to kamis stregth as he likes the width which the morons provided. The wide yorker strategy does not work for india
 
what would you expect if you have dead tracks??? indian, bangladehi, SL pitches are flattest pitches in the world!
 
Indian bowling is bad ...so bad.. that BCCI has forced opposing batsman to bat with one hand only. :P
 
Just wondering how many Curse Words delivered today by Indians after seeing this pathetic bowling performance

Must be Millions :P
 
My initial knee jerk reaction was we're really terrible with the ball, but then I reminded myself of the last game when Irfan took a 5fer and will console myself by saying

a. yeh toh warm up tha

b. our bowlers had an off day

PS: Good to see Shoaib Malik doing well. I guess marrying an Indian has given his batting a new lease of life :sachin :)
 
I also liked Kamran Akmal's batting a lot. Very enjoyable, especially the deft late cuts to third man. A reminder to other batsmen that its not all about biff bang boom boom or whatever, its also about the silken touch.
 
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