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Indian bowling line-up - How bad is it?

They have restricted their opponents for below 200 runs thrice in this tourney out of 4 matches. Seriously good stuff.
 
Indian bowling looking a bit potent mainly bcz of the alien technology type fielding :P and sir ji.....
 
Spinners are world class. Only spin attack better right now is Pakistan.
Pacers have improved too. BK is a good prospect. Still dont rate Yadav and Ishant yet. They can have very bad days
 
vicky_iisc said:
Let us see them defending 250 on a flat track against Bangladesh.
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Inferiority complex much? So 3 scores of less than 200 against top teams don't prove anything but one fluke bangla innings, the same team which defeated Aus in ODIs so long ago is something to remember?
 
Ahson Afzal said:
Spinners are world class. Only spin attack better right now is Pakistan.
Pacers have improved too. BK is a good prospect. Still dont rate Yadav and Ishant yet. They can have very bad days
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:))

Better than Ajmal and Hafeez ....
plzz.... Pakistan's pacers are just overhyped... its the spinners the world fear.
 
Good to see bowlers getting man of te match awards. Umesh, Bhuvi, Ishant, Ser Jaadu have all turned it on on their day.
 
Indian bowlers are jjuts piggybacking on the batsmen as allways. They will get destroyed in the final.
 
Snak3eye5 said:
Indian bowlers are jjuts piggybacking on the batsmen as allways. They will get destroyed in the final.
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3 of the 4 Player of the match awards for India in this Champion's trophy has been won by bowlers. Can you tell me how these bowlers are :quote: piggybacking?
 
Indiafan said:
Inferiority complex much? So 3 scores of less than 200 against top teams don't prove anything but one fluke bangla innings, the same team which defeated Aus in ODIs so long ago is something to remember?
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SA scored 300+.

Pakistan's batting is pathetic, no surprise there, the have been reduced to under 200 by minnows.

West Indies and SriLanka were good bowling performances, mainly because of Sir Jadeja.


Can't believe that hack Ishant got wickets aswell.
 
The way India batted yesterday,even 280 on that difficult pitch could be chased easily..... I have no hope on bowlers except Jadeja for England game,but hope to see batsmen doing the job again
 
If they picked Bhuvneshwar he would have gotten rid of Tharanga in the first 5 overs.

Poor decision to leave him out.
 
Even Prosper Utseya is beating the crap out of our bowling. :(
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Even Prosper Utseya is beating the crap out of our bowling. :(
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Vinay Kumar is absolute garbage and so is Unadkat.

I would have tried a young pacer like Mohit and some other fast bowler in their place.

Why give chances to trundlers like VK and Udankhatola? Even if Unadkat is bowling well against minnows, he will get smashed against real teams.
 
Vinay kooooomar frustrates to me no end. I am absolutely tired of this fool.
 
Vinay is a much better batsman than a bowler.

Also what was the point of picking Rasool? :facepalm:
 
India should give chance to guys like kaul, shukla and others that Clint Eastwood mentioned in a thread. This is like state sponsoring of trundlerism.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Vinay is a much better batsman than a bowler.

Also what was the point of picking Rasool? :facepalm:
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Agreed.

India should rest Jaddu and play Rasool.

Also Mohit should play in place of Vinay.

This is the time to test our bench. Instead we give more chances to 115kmph trundlers who have no future.
 
amax said:
India should give chance to guys like kaul, shukla and others that Clint Eastwood mentioned in a thread. This is like state sponsoring of trundlerism.
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yes Junaid and Asad Ali are not trundlers. wake up. you still think you have bowlers like Akram and Waqar playing. They retired about 10 yrs ago.
 
amax said:
India should give chance to guys like kaul, shukla and others that Clint Eastwood mentioned in a thread. This is like state sponsoring of trundlerism.
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Who would like to become a fast bowler in India in situations like these....our bowling line up is made fun because of our selectors not because of lack of fast bowlers.
 
Rockstar said:
Every team have some bad games...I wont read much into it.
Its a fact that we bowled superbly in the Champions trophy...with the leading wicket taker been Indian.
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yep that was a bad game. same bowling lineup restricted the same team for 200 in finals.
 
idly sambar said:
yes Junaid and Asad Ali are not trundlers. wake up. you still think you have bowlers like Akram and Waqar playing. They retired about 10 yrs ago.
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Junaid khan was bowling 140s in champions trophy and he slowed down in West Indies a bit. I am sure he would be bowling 140s once he starts playing more games. Asad ali bowled pretty decently and he was hitting Yorkers in spite of bowling 130s. Tell me one bowler in our current team bowls Yorkers?
 
Our trundlers can not take more than 10 wickets in a test match irrespective of conditions. Nothing has changed as of yet.
 
Singham said:
Junaid khan was bowling 140s in champions trophy and he slowed down in West Indies a bit. I am sure he would be bowling 140s once he starts playing more games. Asad ali bowled pretty decently and he was hitting Yorkers in spite of bowling 130s. Tell me one bowler in our current team bowls Yorkers?
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I too have started doubting Junaids ability. Irfan is definitely something diffrent. I would love to see Amer returning back and pairing with Irfan..
 
Until our bozo selectors sop promoting mediocre trundlers like VK, Unadkat... we are bound to be the laughing stock of the world.

Why would any aspiring bowler like to become a real fast bowler when all they see on TV are useless trundlers. No youngster would want to try to become a real pace man.

This was a golden opportunity to try some unknown raw talented fast bowler and all our selectors could come up are Unadkat and VK? :facepalm:

Surely there must be a few real pace men out there waiting for their opportunity.
 
Junaid is over-rated,
ours is the worst bowling line up...but our fielding covers up for 60% of that... and we end up winning many matches with the opposition bundled out under avg scores...TBH we have the worst attack in the world right now minus the fielding
 
idly sambar said:
yes Junaid and Asad Ali are not trundlers. wake up. you still think you have bowlers like Akram and Waqar playing. They retired about 10 yrs ago.
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Junaid on bad days is 135km avg(mostly when ball is swinging) and he can crank it up any time. Have you observed the difference b/w steyn(fast bowlers) bowling at 130-135 and vinay bowling at that pace?. The difference is that fast bowlers are skidy/slippery ( Junaid floored bravo with a 136km delivery) while trundlers are not.
 
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The truth is Junaid and Irfan and ajmal can not win matches for Pakistan even after the so called best abilities in the world,the reason being all 3 are super fantastic no-11s,horrible fielders and almost a liability when it comes to running,so unless and until they are taking combined 8-9 wickets every match under 25 avg... and below 4 economy,they are not good enough to guarantee a win.... look at the stats posted in my other replies where Pakistan has lost double the matches cmpared to India since 2007 even after having the so called best bowlers...surely Batting can never be the sole reason after all Indian batsmen had better average than Pakistanis and it was only by 4.50 odd!!!!
 
truefan said:
The truth is Junaid and Irfan and ajmal can not win matches for Pakistan even after the so called best abilities in the world,the reason being all 3 are super fantastic no-11s,horrible fielders and almost a liability when it comes to running,so unless and until they are taking combined 8-9 wickets every match under 25 avg... and below 4 economy,they are not good enough to guarantee a win.... look at the stats posted in my other replies where Pakistan has lost double the matches cmpared to India since 2007 even after having the so called best bowlers...surely Batting can never be the sole reason after all Indian batsmen had better average than Pakistanis and it was only by 4.50 odd!!!!
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Pakistan have better new ball bowlers but they blow it up at the death.
 
B Kumar, Jadeja, Ashwin, Ishant have been the best bowlers in ODIs this year. Check the stats. Umesh Yadav has also chipped in with wickets at crucial junctures.

The bowlers have been just as responsible for success in CT and WI series as much as the batsmen. Because they were bowling out teams for less than 200 or thereabouts, it made the job of batsmen easy.

Jadeja, Ashwin, B Kumar are also handy lower order batsmen who add crucial runs at the end.
 
VTEC said:
IF Bangla can chase 290 then India will need ~320 on Average against Australia/England/SAfrica

Exact Polar Opposites to Pakistan
We can Defend 200+ Runs
We cant chase 200+ Runs -.-

India
They can Score 300 Runs
They cant defend 300 Runs -.-
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Pakistan scoring over 200+ Runs for one whole series.
Pakistan chasing over 200+ Runs for one whole series.
 
mithun_minhas said:
Until our bozo selectors sop promoting mediocre trundlers like VK, Unadkat... we are bound to be the laughing stock of the world.

Why would any aspiring bowler like to become a real fast bowler when all they see on TV are useless trundlers. No youngster would want to try to become a real pace man.

This was a golden opportunity to try some unknown raw talented fast bowler and all our selectors could come up are Unadkat and VK? :facepalm:

Surely there must be a few real pace men out there waiting for their opportunity.
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Bowlers with pace in the Indian Domestic circuit:
Rajiv Shukla
Pawan Suyal (Left-arm)
Sid Kaul (fast-medium)
Also, there's Pankaj Singh who's 6'7 and bowls around 135ks, but he's 28 years of age - maybe why he's being ignored.
Selectors should've tried these guys instead of TTF like Vinay 100kph Kumar.
 
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VTEC said:
IF Bangla can chase 290 then India will need ~320 on Average against Australia/England/SAfrica

Exact Polar Opposites to Pakistan
We can Defend 200+ Runs
We cant chase 200+ Runs -.-

India
They can Score 300 Runs
They cant defend 300 Runs -.-
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India has scored 300+ 73 times, and won 59.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nsval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=team

Against top teams, it is 47/61
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nsval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=team

Against Aus/SA/England it is 16/21
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nsval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=team

India does defend a score of 300-320 five times out of six. Exceptions don't make a rule.
 
saintgrace said:
Pakistan traditionally had better death over bowlers. It is art to learn and indians are not good at it.
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i dont see any difference between current pakistan death overs bowlers and Indian death over bowlers. Junaid and co went for 65 in last 5 over last game and 2 games ago, the could not defend 15 runs in last over against no 11.
 
IndianWillow said:
India has scored 300+ 73 times, and won 59.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nsval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=team

Against top teams, it is 47/61
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nsval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=team

Against Aus/SA/England it is 16/21
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...nsval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=team

India does defend a score of 300-320 five times out of six. Exceptions don't make a rule.
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Simple question to VTEC is, how has India won more games than Pakistan in the last 3 or 4 years. How is India no 1 in rank whereas Pakistan is fighting with windies and NZ? How has India won last WC and CT ? if the bowlers could not defend 300+ runs against top teams.
 
It's funny how Indians would argue pages after pages how good their bowling is but as soon as a Pakistani Batsman scores runs against 'em their bowlers become crap. lol
 
Surely there are better bowlers in India than Ishant and Vinay no? I mean these guys go for 8 an over and have no pace either.

Then why not just play Yadav? I know he struggles With Control but at least he has pace and has the ability to take 2-3 quick wickets if he is on target.

And isn't Zaheer ready for a comeback? What about Shukla?
 
Topic should be Indian batting--how bad is it? India won 80% of the matches this year because of bowling and it's a fact
 
From MS Dhoni on Cricinfo:

MS Dhoni, India captain: The way we started we weren't able to build partnerships. We should have got closer. Was disappointed with the shot selection today. Once you are set its important to carry on. That's what we talk about in this game. If you look at the wicket, with the time we started, it was definitely going to swing a bit, but we struggled a bit. We don't have genuine fast bowlers, more swing bowlers, so we couldn't generate the bounce that the other bowlers (Australia) did.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013-14/engine/match/647249.html
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Guess he doesn't think much of THE MIGHTY AND TALL ISHANT (7-1-56 @ 8rpo) then.
 
OZGOD said:
From MS Dhoni on Cricinfo:



Guess he doesn't think much of THE MIGHTY AND TALL ISHANT (7-1-56 @ 8rpo) then.
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He is right. Apart from Yadav, I don't think India has produced any genuine fast bowler in their entire history. Bowling some fast spells here and there doesn't count so I will discount guys like Srinath.
 
Buffet said:
He is right. Apart from Yadav, I don't think India has produced any genuine fast bowler in their entire history. Bowling some fast spells here and there doesn't count so I will discount guys like Srinath.
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I have seen Sirinath bowling with Genuine pace in a test match (on an old VHS). I think he was in high eighties at least for couple of years.
 
Our batting is so good that it it lets the bowlers give away too many runs sometimes who think it wont matter which is true for most times, unfortunately not today. :danish
 
amax said:
I have seen Sirinath bowling with Genuine pace in a test match (on an old VHS). I think he was in high eighties at least for some years.
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I have seen him as well but I have never seen him maintaining 140+ for entire test series. He used to crank up time to time. When bowling fast spells, he was very quick. He may have done it for even whole test match. Well, he never gave an impression of genuine quick. Body language was not of a fast bowler. That may have contributed to how I remember him. May be borderline genuine quick.

Some one will argue that many fast bowlers , even Steyn, bowls with lower average speed and produces faster spells as needed but I have seen such bowlers maintaining high speed for entire series many times.
 
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OZGOD said:
From MS Dhoni on Cricinfo:



Guess he doesn't think much of THE MIGHTY AND TALL ISHANT (7-1-56 @ 8rpo) then.
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yet keeps picking him :facepalm:

he complains about not having pacers and allows selectors to drop Yadav,something's amiss?
 
India's bowling has been really good in ODIs this year (better than Pakistan) but looked toothless today.

Ishant Sharma needs to be thrown away. Terrible bowler.
 
we have the shittiest bowling line up in the world . Vinay kumar and Ishant Sharma are probably the worst bowlers produced by us in our history
 
I cannot for the love of god understand how sir vinay avgs 25 with the ball in domestic cricket?!!
how?!!
 
anakin said:
:))

Better than Ajmal and Hafeez ....
plzz.... Pakistan's pacers are just overhyped... its the spinners the world fear.
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I said Pak is the only team that has a better spin attack than India currently.
 
I thought only Pakistani selectors persisted with TTFs. Lets see how many more games are given to Kumar and Sharma
 
Our spinners are decent. They kept the runs down at least. The problem lies within the pace "attack." Bhuvi is decent, and probably a good second pacer. But I don't think he's good enough yet to lead our attack.

As far as Ishant and Vinay, they are some of the worst bowlers in the world cricket. What the hell happened to Umesh Yadav and Shami Ahmed? Even Zak or Mohit Sharma would be much better than these two failures.
 
It's a 7 match series. Let's wait for a few more matches and then dump the garbage when they have no excuses.
 
Ishhant is the worst ever pacer (if he can be called that) in the history of the game.. Even a street kid can do better than him :yk
 
Still remember the press conference where dhoni was asked his view about 'the two bouncer' rule and he said "hamare bowlers do bouncers ka achaar dalenge kya" :facepalm: :facepalm:
 
Cannot fathom why Rahul Shukla is not being selected?!
The guy has good pace around 140k bowls excellent outswingers and effective bouncers.
But dhoni has to stick with the love of his life Ishant Sharma!
 
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My bowling line up for last 4 odi's (as team for first 3 odi's is already selected')
B.kumar
Rahul Shukla
Mohit Sharma
Amit Mishra/karan sharma
Jadeja
 
battler said:
Cannot fathom why Rahul Shukla is not being selected?!
The guy has good pace around 140k bowls excellent outswingers and effective bouncers.
But dhoni has to stick with the love of his life Ishant Sharma!
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Dude, just wait and watch.

Its just a matter of time before guys like Rahul Shukla are considered seriously.

Vinay is a hopeless bowler but he makes up for it by variation of pace and good thinking here and there.

In domestic level, that works.

In international level, that doesn't.

On his day, he can do a good job of containing with occasional wickets.

But when not in good flow, he gets hammered badly.

I have stopped blaming Vinay because certain things are beyond his capabilities.

If he doesn't perform, we should just drop him.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Dude, just wait and watch.

Its just a matter of time before guys like Rahul Shukla are considered seriously.

Vinay is a hopeless bowler but he makes up for it by variation of pace and good thinking here and there.

In domestic level, that works.

In international level, that doesn't.

On his day, he can do a good job of containing with occasional wickets.

But when not in good flow, he gets hammered badly.

I have stopped blaming Vinay because certain things are beyond his capabilities.

If he doesn't perform, we should just drop him.
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But what about sir Ishant??
This guy will end his career with an avg of 50 or what??
When I look back that spell to ponting 5 years back in perth, has done more damage to indian cricket than good.
Damn you ponting :P
 
battler said:
But what about sir Ishant??
This guy will end his career with an avg of 50 or what??
When I look back that spell to ponting 5 years back in perth, has done more damage to indian cricket than good.
Damn you ponting :P
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Haha...True

But potential wise, I doubt there is a better pacer in India than Ishant.

But he just goes haywire when things go wrong.

Plus most times, his line and length is PURE rubbish.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Haha...True

But potential wise, I doubt there is a better pacer in India than Ishant.

But he just goes haywire when things go wrong.

Plus most times, his line and length is PURE rubbish.
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But uski potential ka achaar dalenge hum??
Just look at him when he is about to deliver the ball,he just seams to be falling away no seam,no swing and on top of that he bowls short and wide :facepalm:
 
Ishant and Vinay must do a lot of favors for Dhoni there is no other explanation for their consistent selections.
 
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