Indian gang violence in Canada

[TSA321]

Can any Indians or Canadians here tell me why this is such a huge problem, and whether it's getting better?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Canadian_organized_crime#2015_gang_deaths

 

[dayvancowboy]

I thought Indians in the West were model citizens all this time?

 

[Suleiman]

Heard this was a big problem in Scarborough, my family over there moved to a better area from there because apparently the Indian and even Sri Lankan gang violence was getting kind of out of hand. Stealing radios out of cars, and they especially targeted neighborhoods with a big South Asian population because they usually have a lot of jewelry which was the main thing they have been looting.

This is what I know from like 2013-2014, idk if it has improved in 2 years or not.

 

[Thivagar]

Depends on what are "gangs". When it comes to South Asian "Gang violence" almost all of them come from Tamil and Punjabi Sikh community. Every Uni-college parties/ formals end up with ambulance, cops, broken bottles, stabbing and etc. It all starts with alcohol. There are legit "gangs" but most of the '"tough" guys are just paindus acting up.

 

[Deosai]

Indians rationalize it by pointing out that the offenders are mostly Sikhs and Tamils therefore not Indian.

 

[niishaa]

Indians rationalize it by pointing out that the offenders are mostly Sikhs and Tamils therefore not Indian.

Tamils in this case are sri lankan tamils and not Indian i think maybe [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] can tell us more. But where have indians rationalize anything here you are making assumptions even before any indian has made any comment.

 

[Thivagar]

Tamils in this case are sri lankan tamils and not Indian i think maybe [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] can tell us more. But where have indians rationalize anything here you are making assumptions even before any indian has made any comment.

Yes, SL Tamils. Indian Tamils are very low in numbers. Most of them are family members and not in their 15-25 years age. Larger population are tend to have more people of different behaviours. When it comes to "Indian gangs" nearly all of them are Punjabi Sikhs. You will never find a Gujarati gang anywhere lol.

 

[Thivagar]

Tamils in this case are sri lankan tamils and not Indian i think maybe [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] can tell us more. But where have indians rationalize anything here you are making assumptions even before any indian has made any comment.

Because many Indian posters like distancing themselves away from whatever that is not worth being associated with. I've seen it here as well. "Bengalis are always like this" "UP are always like that". But someone does something nice then "proud to be an Indian", "An indian has made us all proud".

 

[Madplayer]

Because many Indian posters like distancing themselves away from whatever that is not worth being associated with. I've seen it here as well. "Bengalis are always like this" "UP are always like that". But someone does something nice then "proud to be an Indian", "An indian has made us all proud".

Truer words have never been spoken. But it also applies to people from some other countries too.

 

[Logical]

Gangs and their organized crimes have been very proplematic for the GTA (Greater Toronto Area). I remember in high school i went through a phase of wanting to be a gangster. It was just something every teenager went through, or wanted to go through to be in the "Cool" circle, girls preferred guys that dressed like this too. From baggy jeans, phat farm shirts, dog chains, And 1 / Addidas sneakers. You dress like that you'd get attention and you'd be considered cool. Now for some kids it did not stop there, from dressing like that they went on to do things thugs would do, weed, under age drinking, sex, fights and more fights, eventually drugs.

Even though i love my Indian brothers, grew up with most of them in a small town called Brampton but must admit that they would excel in the above activities next to blacks. Also, like [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] pointed out most of these Indians if not all were Sikhs.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Gangs and their organized crimes have been very proplematic for the GTA (Greater Toronto Area). I remember in high school i went through a phase of wanting to be a gangster. It was just something every teenager went through, or wanted to go through to be in the "Cool" circle, girls preferred guys that dressed like this too. From baggy jeans, phat farm shirts, dog chains, And 1 / Addidas sneakers. You dress like that you'd get attention and you'd be considered cool. Now for some kids it did not stop there, from dressing like that they went on to do things thugs would do, weed, under age drinking, sex, fights and more fights, eventually drugs.

Even though i love my Indian brothers, grew up with most of them in a small town called Brampton but must admit that they would excel in the above activities next to blacks. Also, like [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] pointed out most of these Indians if not all were Sikhs.

Shouldn't call it GTA, thats just asking for trouble )

 

[JaDed]

I ve got friends and family in Scarborough never heard anything like that but by going through the wikipedia page looks like there have been a lot of deaths in gang related war,also to the OP could you please explain what you mean by "Big" problem i'm sure Canadian govn isn't third grade like the desi counterparts to not see "this as a big problem".

Wonder if one of the reasons for this could be similar to the ones UK face with low qualified Indians getting admitted to Canada.

 

[MABA]

The Indian gang problem is most prevalent in British Colombia, you will hardly find any Indian or south Asian gang members in Toronto . You will however find a lot of wannabe tough guys from Brampton, they usually tend to be Indian punjabi

 

[enkidu_]

In Canada a relative majority of Indians are Sikhs, and these Sikhs themselves are mainly paindoo Jatts, not only less qualified than other Indian diasporas but also into that whole pseudo macho attitude for "cultural" reasons (like Pak Mirpuris/Potoharis in the UK), while the Sikhs in the UK are generally middle class Ramgarhias, many who moved out of Africa because of politics, and who are more business-oriented.

In France there's a big problem of Tamil gangs, but I think they're nearly all Sri Lankans (at one point of time there was the whole issue of the Tamil Tigers extorting money from local brothers into the hundreds to finance armed operations back home.)

 

[TSA321]

In France there's a big problem of Tamil gangs, but I think they're nearly all Sri Lankans (at one point of time there was the whole issue of the Tamil Tigers extorting money from local brothers into the hundreds to finance armed operations back home.)

There's also quite a lot of Tamil gangs in London. A few years back the London Met police had to set up a specialist unit just to deal with their gangs. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3201465.stm

Many Sikhs in the UK are also paindu Jatts. They used to have street gangs in the 70s-90s but now they don't really get involved in that, most of their crime nowadays is financial related.

 

[mani1]

In Canada a relative majority of Indians are Sikhs, and these Sikhs themselves are mainly paindoo Jatts, not only less qualified than other Indian diasporas but also into that whole pseudo macho attitude for "cultural" reasons (like Pak Mirpuris/Potoharis in the UK), while the Sikhs in the UK are generally middle class Ramgarhias, many who moved out of Africa because of politics, and who are more business-oriented.

In France there's a big problem of Tamil gangs, but I think they're nearly all Sri Lankans (at one point of time there was the whole issue of the Tamil Tigers extorting money from local brothers into the hundreds to finance armed operations back home.)

What are you basing that on? Have you ever been in the UK? or is it wikipedia your basing it on?

I know loads of Sikhs in England and most are not middle class. Also in London Indians are more likely to be in low pay than Afro Caribbeans and according to the Prime Minister British society has failed them.

Also I would love for you to enlighten me of the many many Gangland deaths of Potohari/Mirpuris in my experience living in bfd the biggest "Gangstaa's" "Are originally from Afghanistan"

 

[Bewal Express]

Are Punjabi Sikhs not Indians?

 

[rahulrulezz]

It's funny how it's Pakistanis here who are claiming Sikhs not being Indian lol. I guess Pakistanis kinda relate everything to religion

Regardless, on topic I think some early Indian immigrants who moved to Canada in 1960s,70s, 80s were from less educated background and hence why you saw the gang culture in 80s and 90s. However, you don't associate Indians with gang culture anymore. It was a thing of past in 90s

 

[IslamabadUnited]

Sikhs are Indians and Pakistani too.

 

[TM Riddle]

Are Punjabi Sikhs not Indians?

Who said they aren't?

 

[Thivagar]

Gangs and their organized crimes have been very proplematic for the GTA (Greater Toronto Area). I remember in high school i went through a phase of wanting to be a gangster. It was just something every teenager went through, or wanted to go through to be in the "Cool" circle, girls preferred guys that dressed like this too. From baggy jeans, phat farm shirts, dog chains, And 1 / Addidas sneakers. You dress like that you'd get attention and you'd be considered cool. Now for some kids it did not stop there, from dressing like that they went on to do things thugs would do, weed, under age drinking, sex, fights and more fights, eventually drugs.

Even though i love my Indian brothers, grew up with most of them in a small town called Brampton but must admit that they would excel in the above activities next to blacks. Also, like [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] pointed out most of these Indians if not all were Sikhs.

Even when I was in highschool (2007 to 2011), being a "thug" was the thing. Now a days, every girl has a boyfriend that looks submissive, act like a "noob". I think this has to do with girls wanting more power than anything.

When did you attend highschool and which highschool did you attend ?

 

[Thivagar]

I ve got friends and family in Scarborough never heard anything like that but by going through the wikipedia page looks like there have been a lot of deaths in gang related war,also to the OP could you please explain what you mean by "Big" problem i'm sure Canadian govn isn't third grade like the desi counterparts to not see "this as a big problem".

Wonder if one of the reasons for this could be similar to the ones UK face with low qualified Indians getting admitted to Canada.

Mostly it is that. Punjabi Sikhs, straight out of village. They probably had spent a year or two in Chandigar or another city. There are also Punjabi sikhs born here that act much tougher than they are. They aren't "gangsters" in other people's eyes but they act that way. Most of these beef starts from stupid unnecessary eyeing down each other in a wrong way while buying egg and milk for their grandma. Scarborough(EAST) was the worst area for Tamils, that is where Tamils had a poor reputation. It used to be that side vs my area (WEST). It started in the early 80s and was prevalent through late 2010. There was a guy named AK Kannan/Kalashnikov Kannan, he was pretty big back in early 90 to mid 90s. It is hard to figure out who is part of which gang, varieties of ethnicity, some will have gangs of mixed cultures, some may not be part of particular gang. Then there are credit card fraudsters, blue collar criminals. It is a headache trying to figure out for the cops.

P.s the funnies gangs are the Afghan gangs, no one takes them seriously

 

[Thivagar]

Are Punjabi Sikhs not Indians?

This is a topic discussing not so nice things, so they are just "Sikhs" and "Mirpuris". If the discussion was about "South Asians celebrities in the West" then they would all be Indians and Pakistanis.

 

[Deosai]

This is a topic discussing not so nice things, so they are just "Sikhs" and "Mirpuris". If the discussion was about "South Asians celebrities in the West" then they would all be Indians and Pakistanis.

Sikhs call themselves Khaalistanis but Mirpuris call themselves Pakistanis, that's the difference

 

[Thivagar]

Sikhs call themselves Khaalistanis but Mirpuris call themselves Pakistanis, that's the difference

No. Your wrong. Your not worth replying to.

 

[offstump]

The problem is far more widespread in British Columbia, especially in Surrey.

There have been several gang related shootings. Beeba Boys was a movie that came out recently that was based around Sikh gangs in Vancouver, particularly notorious gangster bindy johal who died in a shootout.

 

[Deosai]

No. Your wrong. Your not worth replying to.

You're*.

The Canadian education system has failed.

 

[HuzaifaAzam3]

In brampton, there are no legit desi gangs. Just rich spoiled Sikh teenagers who think they're black.

One "gang" called SPG (Springdale punjabi gang) is apparently most feared but I have not seen then or heard about them other then from sikh wannabes.

The worst thing spg has done is spray paint a elementary school -_-

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[Thivagar]

You're*.

The Canadian education system has failed.

Yes my typo was result of the Canadian education system. Even then, it is better than any educational institute you had ever attended or laid your eyes on.

 

[Thivagar]

In brampton, there are no legit desi gangs. Just rich spoiled Sikh teenagers who think they're black.

One "gang" called SPG (Springdale punjabi gang) is apparently most feared but I have not seen then or heard about them other then from sikh wannabes.

The worst thing spg has done is spray paint a elementary school -_-

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The mighty Afghan gangs wrote their "gang name" in my high school's trash can. The other "gang" that consisted of multi ethnicity(Indian, Pakistani, Tamil, Guyanese, and etc) countered that by writing their gang name on the recycling bin.

 

[Deosai]

Yes my typo was result of the Canadian education system. Even then, it is better than any educational institute you had ever attended or laid your eyes on.

Uno, I was joking. It's common for us Amreekis to mock Canadians, lighten up.

Dos, I attended some very good public schools in Amreeka and some of the finest private schools in Pakistan; not worse than what you get in Scarlem.

 

[JaDed]

Mostly it is that. Punjabi Sikhs, straight out of village. They probably had spent a year or two in Chandigar or another city. There are also Punjabi sikhs born here that act much tougher than they are. They aren't "gangsters" in other people's eyes but they act that way. Most of these beef starts from stupid unnecessary eyeing down each other in a wrong way while buying egg and milk for their grandma. Scarborough(EAST) was the worst area for Tamils, that is where Tamils had a poor reputation. It used to be that side vs my area (WEST). It started in the early 80s and was prevalent through late 2010. There was a guy named AK Kannan/Kalashnikov Kannan, he was pretty big back in early 90 to mid 90s. It is hard to figure out who is part of which gang, varieties of ethnicity, some will have gangs of mixed cultures, some may not be part of particular gang. Then there are credit card fraudsters, blue collar criminals. It is a headache trying to figure out for the cops.

P.s the funnies gangs are the Afghan gangs, no one takes them seriously

Lol@ Afghan gangs i think they have less population comparatively plus nothing to 'launder' or 'export'.

 

[JaDed]

Are Punjabi Sikhs not Indians?

They are bro who is claiming otherwise here except some random Pakistani poster.

 

[Thivagar]

Lol@ Afghan gangs i think they have less population comparatively plus nothing to 'launder' or 'export'.

Alot of them are new so they try to act cool. Lot of the new comers act "cool". They might have been "cool" back in the country but when you try acting up, they look funny. My cousin was in Chennai 2 years ago, his hair cut stood out and all the "cool boys" at a Chennai night club wanted to get to know him. They were trying to be so cool, seeking his approval lol. He was talking about how they were trying to put their people down, dissing India. and how they are not like the locals lol. People will do anything for attention.

 

[Thivagar]

Uno, I was joking. It's common for us Amreekis to mock Canadians, lighten up.

Dos, I attended some very good public schools in Amreeka and some of the finest private schools in Pakistan; not worse than what you get in Scarlem.

Since you are an American, I genuinely thought you were a weirdo

 

[JaDed]

Alot of them are new so they try to act cool. Lot of the new comers act "cool". They might have been "cool" back in the country but when you try acting up, they look funny. My cousin was in Chennai 2 years ago, his hair cut stood out and all the "cool boys" at a Chennai night club wanted to get to know him. They were trying to be so cool, seeking his approval lol. He was talking about how they were trying to put their people down, dissing India. and how they are not like the locals lol. People will do anything for attention.

Very true and its annoying to say the least but i don't see this behavior among Tamilians from smaller towns or even cities other than Chennai they are happy with their culture and don't care about all that.

I hear that even from Tamil guys who have just joined college here and are from Bangalore or somewhere in North on how "hard" its for them to adjust here,there might be some truth there because of atrocious college rules but making fun of local people gets on my nerves.

Chennai has changed a lot for me since 1990's, i liked the reserved one ,nowadays its all about bikes,hair cuts the changes are visible in cinema as well but everyone should be able to live how they want without making fun.

 

[TSA321]

More senseless killings.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...lled-in-targeted-shooting-in-surrey-1.4692089

Two teenagers were killed in a targeted shooting Monday night in Surrey, homicide investigators have confirmed.

The victims have been identified as Jaskarn (Jason) Singh Jhutty, 16, and Jaskaran (Jesse) Singh Bhangal, 17, both residents of Surrey.

The two teens were found dead on a section of 188th Street near 40th Avenue in the Campbell Heights neighbourhood around 10:30 p.m. PT.

Both had been shot and police believe they were targeted killings, according to Cpl. Frank Jang of the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team

The teens were not known to police and investigators are looking into the backgrounds of both.

 

[PakLFC]

They are not South Asians or Asians. They are Indians, stop this "South Asian" rubbish by getting Pakistanis and others involved. Indian thugs are Indian thugs irrespective of religion. Even in London there is always a lot of tension between Indians from different backgrounds.

 

[troodon]

Not all Indians are computer nerds or call center workers or Thank you come again types.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not all Indians are computer nerds or call center workers or Thank you come again types.

Apparently some of them are thugs and gangsters as well. Congratulations.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not all Indians are computer nerds or call center workers or Thank you come again types.

Which one are you bro?

I am the nerdy type..very much nervous and socially awkward while talking to someone, even on the phone. It is only the internet which gives me wings, when I am not scared of anyone. Best invention ever!

 

[troodon]

Which one are you bro?

I am the nerdy type..very much nervous and socially awkward while talking to someone, even on the phone. It is only the internet which gives me wings, when I am not scared of anyone. Best invention ever!

I am not a macho type. My Machoness is reserved to my job. Outside, I am your typical South Indian. Shy and flying under the radar. I can also be open if someone else initiates the conversation.

 

[akki]

They are not South Asians or Asians. They are Indians, stop this "South Asian" rubbish by getting Pakistanis and others involved. Indian thugs are Indian thugs irrespective of religion. Even in London there is always a lot of tension between Indians from different backgrounds.

Yapp we agree we also feel like hell when people abroad sometimes attack indians, or call them by different names especially after 9/11 or many attacks , by mistakenly assuming indians as pakistanis.
Indians have to tell them we are not them .but unfortunately we look same so it gets difficult.

But i and 100 percent indians agree with you stop saying south asians and all as indians and pakistanis are way different and thankfully too...

 

[Pakistanian]

I heard that a lot of Indian Sikhs and Tamils were involved in gangcrime in Canada, especially in Vancouver.

 

[JaDed]

I heard that a lot of Indian Sikhs and Tamils were involved in gangcrime in Canada, especially in Vancouver.

Not Indian tamils but Lankan Tamils and yes Indian Sikhs in that time, but the current lot are born and bred there that are involved in gang violence.

 

[troodon]

I heard that a lot of Indian Sikhs and Tamils were involved in gangcrime in Canada, especially in Vancouver.

Tamils and Punjabis are the only confrontational types in India from my experience. The rest are pretty mellow. Even the new generation Tamils and Punjabis that are going to west are pretty soft.

 

[PakLFC]

Yapp we agree we also feel like hell when people abroad sometimes attack indians, or call them by different names especially after 9/11 or many attacks , by mistakenly assuming indians as pakistanis.
Indians have to tell them we are not them .but unfortunately we look same so it gets difficult.

But i and 100 percent indians agree with you stop saying south asians and all as indians and pakistanis are way different and thankfully too...

I agree! So you need to tell those people calling you "Pakistanis" to put an end to it by educating them. I also tell people not to call me Indian or Hindu terrorist or killing people for eating beef. No Pakistani I know calls himself "Indian" at all and why would we? I have always been a great opponent of being called "Asian". Countries like Dubai, Malaysia, Maldive islands, Indonesia, Tunisia and Morocco to name a few that Hindu's and Indians are addicted to are Muslim not Hindu countries, I tell that to people as well! These Canadian thugs are Indian's not Pakistanis.

 

[Abdul]

More senseless killings.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...lled-in-targeted-shooting-in-surrey-1.4692089

Two teenagers were killed in a targeted shooting Monday night in Surrey, homicide investigators have confirmed.

The victims have been identified as Jaskarn (Jason) Singh Jhutty, 16, and Jaskaran (Jesse) Singh Bhangal, 17, both residents of Surrey.

The two teens were found dead on a section of 188th Street near 40th Avenue in the Campbell Heights neighbourhood around 10:30 p.m. PT.

Both had been shot and police believe they were targeted killings, according to Cpl. Frank Jang of the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team

The teens were not known to police and investigators are looking into the backgrounds of both.

There's always a lot more to the fights. The two that got killed were not innocuous by any means.