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Indian hypocrisy: India started the Kashmir Premier League 10 years before Pakistan

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Premier_League_(India)

LOL and unlike in Pakistan where it's being supported by local businessmen in Azad Kashmir, the Indian venture was entirely sponsored by their army.

The league was started in 2011 by the Indian Army and the Government of Jammu and Kashmir.[2][3] The Army sponsors the teams, and provides cricket kits and refreshments. The purpose of the Kashmir Premier League is to build bridges between Kashmiris and Indian Army men.[4][5][6] The league is the brainchild of Group Officer Commanding (GOC) of XV Corps, Lieutenant General Syed Ata Hasnain.[7] The T20 cricket tournament is part of the Indian Army's Operation Sadhbhavana.[8][9]
 
Interestingly, the Pakistani government or PCB ever condemned them for the venture as Pakistan isn't insecure about it's relation with the people of Kashmir.
 
The T20 cricket tournament is part of the Indian Army's Operation Sadhbhavana

What in the world is this? :sachin

It seems like a pathetic attempt to use cricket to win over the people. Like here guys, heres some cricket for you while we occupy you against your wishes.
 
Bhai it's a gully mohalla tournament:yk
The players taking part in the league are probably not even full time cricketers.

Not even comparable to a TNPL or a Karnataka premier league match that has had foreign coaches and commentators.
 
Bhai it's a gully mohalla tournament:yk
The players taking part in the league are probably not even full time cricketers.

Not even comparable to a TNPL or a Karnataka premier league match that has had foreign coaches and commentators.

so why moan and whine so much over a gully mohalla tournament?
 
India has no control over what happens in AJK, simple. By all means they can ban any player who plays in this tournament from participating in the IPL. Pak too has little control over IoK....at the moment. What can not be denied is India can never hold such a tournament in IoK without zillions of soldiers.
 
What a waste of airtime to a T10/T20 league. Not a surprise it's that slab of ice Kashmir again. Do they even know what cricket is?

Get over it.
 
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Interestingly, the Pakistani government or PCB ever condemned them for the venture as Pakistan isn't insecure about it's relation with the people of Kashmir.

What can PCB do? Nothing. So they keep quiet.
 
What can PCB do? Nothing. So they keep quiet.

PCB as you know - never keep quiet - the fact that they havent commented on it is it because... they are a sports organization and not an arm of Pakistan's foreign policy - this is a concept alien to BCCI.
 
PCB as you know - never keep quiet - the fact that they havent commented on it is it because... they are a sports organization and not an arm of Pakistan's foreign policy - this is a concept alien to BCCI.

Can you pls explain why then PCB complained when Indian players wore army t-shirts? It was a match against Australia and had nothing to do with Pakistan. If PCB is just a sports organization (quote/unquote) why were they bothered what attire another team is wearing?
 
Can you pls explain why then PCB complained when Indian players wore army t-shirts? It was a match against Australia and had nothing to do with Pakistan. If PCB is just a sports organization (quote/unquote) why were they bothered what attire another team is wearing?

Blatant jingoism has no place in international cricket. Pakistan rightly complained about the politicization of the international cricket which is what India was doing with their idiotic display of ultra-nationalism and militarism
 
Can you pls explain why then PCB complained when Indian players wore army t-shirts? It was a match against Australia and had nothing to do with Pakistan. If PCB is just a sports organization (quote/unquote) why were they bothered what attire another team is wearing?

Because...

It was against the code of conduct for countries to bring in politics in sports - which is exactly what BCCI is doing again.
 
Because...

It was against the code of conduct for countries to bring in politics in sports - which is exactly what BCCI is doing again.

So just like PCB felt back then that wearing insignia was political and raised their concern, BCCI also has the right to raise their concern if they feel KPL is political. Correct no?
 
So just like PCB felt back then that wearing insignia was political and raised their concern, BCCI also has the right to raise their concern if they feel KPL is political. Correct no?

No.

KPL is a domestic tournament that concerns India in no way.

You are comparing a World Cup to a domestic T20 league.

If India was participating in KPL, then of course they'd have the right to object.

Since they are not, it is better to show their concern elsewhere.
 
Tangential: How come no Kashmiri from either side has played for India/Pakistan?
 
PCB as you know - never keep quiet - the fact that they havent commented on it is it because... they are a sports organization and not an arm of Pakistan's foreign policy - this is a concept alien to BCCI.

If PCB could affect any BCCI tournament, they would. They tried with Asia Cup 1990 and IPL 2009, they realised they cannot do anything.

BCCI OTOH hand has that ability and hence they took the step.

PCB has in past cancelled tours to India and refused to play in Asia cup 1990 in India. But they have limited influence and none whatsoever when faced with the BCCI.
 
and its how you to chose to use that ability / power that differentiates you from being a decent human to being an outright extremist

Amazing. This is what we call "badmaashi". According to that poster you quoted, if you are stronger you can do what ever you want. Just forget sportsmanship, spirit of the game, even humanity.
 
No.

KPL is a domestic tournament that concerns India in no way.

You are comparing a World Cup to a domestic T20 league.

If India was participating in KPL, then of course they'd have the right to object.

Since they are not, it is better to show their concern elsewhere.

India was wearing it in 3rd ODI in home series against Australia and not in world cup.

In world cup, Pak only accused India of deliberately losing against England :ashwin
 
and its how you to chose to use that ability / power that differentiates you from being a decent human to being an outright extremist

Think this sort of arrogance is what differentiates us.
 
Think this sort of arrogance is what differentiates us.

I still can't get this attitude out of my mind.
Its alien to me.

You treat others like you want to be treated yourself. Doesn't matter if you're a billionaire you still treat somebody who has nothing with respect and dignity. Yet here we have people preaching might is right and it doesn't matter how petty it seems they will do whatever benefits them.

Thank god we're not like that!
 
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Amazing. This is what we call "badmaashi". According to that poster you quoted, if you are stronger you can do what ever you want. Just forget sportsmanship, spirit of the game, even humanity.

It's actually a sign of weakness. Those who are not used to wielding power get drunk on it when they get a taste.
 
Where are our Indian Friends who were accusing the KPL as a political stunt?

Apart from a couple, one of whom has no argument left so resorts to "What can PCB do? Nothing. So they keep quiet.", the others are steering clear of this thread.
 
Amazing. This is what we call "badmaashi". According to that poster you quoted, if you are stronger you can do what ever you want. Just forget sportsmanship, spirit of the game, even humanity.

Unfortunately they seem to lack all three.
What does that leave them with?
 
Amazing. This is what we call "badmaashi". According to that poster you quoted, if you are stronger you can do what ever you want. Just forget sportsmanship, spirit of the game, even humanity.

like i said, if same indians were treated with racism or are discriminated than they are the first ones to cry.

Its like saying what Australians do to Indian students is right and enjoyable, wonder if the indians would accept that kind of narrative witht he kind of argument they give
 
Next we will have a thread saying that kashmiris are getting educated and medically treated by Army. Another hypocrisy I guess.
 
Where are our Indian Friends who were accusing the KPL as a political stunt?

Apart from a couple, one of whom has no argument left so resorts to "What can PCB do? Nothing. So they keep quiet.", the others are steering clear of this thread.

And all the hypocrisy and humiliation for their fans so they could block a few old players from a minor league with no profile.
 
Precisely. This is the whole point.

BCCI also should do nothing and keep quiet.

In the end this is a sports event and not some sort of war.

PCB kept quiet because of its inability to do anything. BCCI isnt quite because they have the ability to take action.
 
Amazing. This is what we call "badmaashi". According to that poster you quoted, if you are stronger you can do what ever you want. Just forget sportsmanship, spirit of the game, even humanity.

IF pcb was strong, they would try to protest too.

They tried in the past, result is no Pakistanis in IPL, and PCB not getting any india tours.

They very well know that no one will support them against the BCCI and hence they do nothing to save themselves from the humiliation.
 
Because...

It was against the code of conduct for countries to bring in politics in sports - which is exactly what BCCI is doing again.

ICC had given BCCI permission to use those caps. PCB puts it nose their.

If BCCI asks again, they will be permitted again.
 
And all the hypocrisy and humiliation for their fans so they could block a few old players from a minor league with no profile.

Humiliation is for PCB. Despite so much political massaging, all they could get were two players. Rest all high tailed.
 
I think we can all draw a line under the last 4 posts and say "well we told you so"...
 
PCB kept quiet because of its inability to do anything. BCCI isnt quite because they have the ability to take action.

Yes I have to admit taking out Panesar from a T20 league and going upto ICC is quite an action.
 
Yes I have to admit taking out Panesar from a T20 league and going upto ICC is quite an action.

Steve Waugh would term this as "mental disintegration"...

But they'll still try and defend the indefensible.
 
India was wearing it in 3rd ODI in home series against Australia and not in world cup.

In world cup, Pak only accused India of deliberately losing against England :ashwin

I was referring to the insignia.
 
Errrm we are in 45 pages into this discussion but no-one at all is whining here, god no. Only that BCCI and its fans are completly rattled.


I meant 45 replies and of course the "other" thread is 8 pages long, no-one seems to be whining at all by the looks of things.
 
Errrm we are in 45 pages into this discussion but no-one at all is whining here, god no. Only that BCCI and its fans are completly rattled.

Look, chances are that I might be getting a different version of the forum in my mobile, but it's certainly not the Indian fans who went into a complete meltdown after BCCI reacted politically against the KPL.
 
Look, chances are that I might be getting a different version of the forum in my mobile, but it's certainly not the Indian fans who went into a complete meltdown after BCCI reacted politically against the KPL.

Lol...Indian fans reaction was laughable and so predictable.

Initially, they were in denial and called it a conspiracy theory.

Then after Gibbs tweeted, they made personal attacks on him, calling him a fixer, liar and questioning his credibility.

And when the news got confirmed, they shamelessly changed their tune and began to defend BCCI.
 
Humiliation is for PCB. Despite so much political massaging, all they could get were two players. Rest all high tailed.

Really? Wasn't it you guys that came on and said it was PKs dealing in conspiracies and then had no back track and double down after your humilation.
 
If pcb had the ability to harm BCCI, they would try. They tried in the past.

PCB can simply do nothing, hence they keep quiet.

And you can't do anything about this league and got humiliated as it's going ahead. So tell us how you will stop it, otherwise its just more Ind hot air.
 
Lol...Indian fans reaction was laughable and so predictable.

Initially, they were in denial and called it a conspiracy theory.

Then after Gibbs tweeted, they made personal attacks on him, calling him a fixer, liar and questioning his credibility.

And when the news got confirmed, they shamelessly changed their tune and began to defend BCCI.

These guys are getting humiliated by their own board. I wish these guys had some dignity
 
Lol...Indian fans reaction was laughable and so predictable.

Initially, they were in denial and called it a conspiracy theory.

Then after Gibbs tweeted, they made personal attacks on him, calling him a fixer, liar and questioning his credibility.

And when the news got confirmed, they shamelessly changed their tune and began to defend BCCI.

Look I'm honestly not interested in starting another pointless argument on this topic. It's been done to death already. It's going to go back and forth with no useful discussion.

Point is, if you hate the BCCI getting political, perhaps don't infuse politics into a cricket tournament yourself. There's no point in organising a cricket tournament that's highly political and end up getting triggered after BCCI reacts to it by getting political as well. When every tom, dick and harry makes anti India statements one after another in official ceremonies of the league, how did you expect the BCCI to react to. Promote the league with advertisement slots during IPL matches? I mean, are you going to say with a straight face that the "aazadi" anthem has zero political connection to it..

The problem is Pakistani fans are ready to give endless moral lecturing about the BCCI mixing poltics with cricket but aren't ready to accept that the reverse is also sometimes true. At least some Indian fans, even if only a minority, criticise BCCI for its policy of boycotting Pakistan cricket. But Pakistani fans are too high on nationalism that nobody is ready to accept that it was the KPL which went political first. I understand this is a Pakistani forum and there's the obvious Pakistani bias that comes with it, but at least try viewing the issue objectively instead of getting emotional about it. If the KPL was just another cricket tournament like the PSL or the BBL or CPL, the BCCI would have no leg to stand on for acting against it. But when every other guy including the brand ambassador, Afridi, uses the league as a platform for making highly charged political statements directed against India, what did you expect the BCCI to do. At this point, there's zero use in continuing the back and forth political barbs honestly.
 
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Look I'm honestly not interested in starting another pointless argument on this topic. It's been done to death already. It's going to go back and forth with no useful discussion.

Point is, if you hate the BCCI getting political, perhaps don't infuse politics into a cricket tournament yourself. There's no point in organising a cricket tournament that's highly political and end up getting triggered after BCCI reacts to it by getting political as well. When every tom, dick and harry makes anti India statements one after another in official ceremonies of the league, how did you expect the BCCI to react to. Promote the league with advertisement slots during IPL matches? I mean, are you going to say with a straight face that the "aazadi" anthem has zero political connection to it..

The problem is Pakistani fans are ready to give endless moral lecturing about the BCCI mixing poltics with cricket but aren't ready to accept that the reverse is also sometimes true. At least some Indian fans, even if only a minority, criticise BCCI for its policy of boycotting Pakistan cricket. But Pakistani fans are too high on nationalism that nobody is ready to accept that it was the KPL which went political first. I understand this is a Pakistani forum and there's the obvious Pakistani bias that comes with it, but at least try viewing the issue objectively instead of getting emotional about it. If the KPL was just another cricket tournament like the PSL or the BBL or CPL, the BCCI would have no leg to stand on for acting against it. But when every other guy including the brand ambassador, Afridi, uses the league as a platform for making highly charged political statements directed against India, what did you expect the BCCI to do. At this point, there's zero use in continuing the back and forth political barbs honestly.

The BCCI could've shown their disapproval in a better way.

BLackmailing retired foreign players and bullying their cricket boards in an attempt to sabotage this small league....was too extreme and very petty on part of BCCI
 
The BCCI could've shown their disapproval in a better way.

BLackmailing retired foreign players and bullying their cricket boards in an attempt to sabotage this small league....was too extreme and very petty on part of BCCI

The way I see it, it's a diplomatic duel using politics between two countries under the garb of sporting bodies. One board has organised a league but has used it as a pr tool to make political comments targeted against its rival country and the other board is using politics to try and sabotage the tournament with its clout.

If anything, it's more of a win for PCB because I think the primary aim of organising this league, apart from promoting cricket in Kashmir, was to bring notice of the Kashmir conflict to the world as many don't talk about it. BCCI's actions have served to highlight the tournament more, which otherwise wouldn't have had great publicity. BCCI meanwhile has managed to sabotage at least some of the retired foreign cricketers taking part in it using its clout. It's a win win for both countries.
 
Shame on India/BCCI/Mudi. Cannot even do hypocrisy properly.
 
The BCCI could've shown their disapproval in a better way.

BLackmailing retired foreign players and bullying their cricket boards in an attempt to sabotage this small league....was too extreme and very petty on part of BCCI

Are they really sabotaging it? BCCI have conveyed to foreign participants the consequences that would follow if they took part in KPL. They have not really reached out to PCB to make the tournament stop.

BCCI is powerless to make KPL from going ahead.
 
Most foreign players withdrew from the league. Why?

Doesnt matter.
They were retired anyways. This league wasnt getting that much hype.

Indias actions led to this league being made the talk of the town that to around the world.

Infact, with the players exposing what bcci was trying to do has not only led to more people know about kpl but Pakistan will also be getting two points for free in the world t20 while india already has a L.

Hopefully they wont backtrack from their threats of not playing us in an the icc tournament.

It has been a winwin for us.
 
PCB kept quiet because of its inability to do anything. BCCI isnt quite because they have the ability to take action.

So whoever has the money has the power. And it's right. Interesting. I guess British ruling India till 1947 was also right cause they had the power.
 
Honestly I didn’t know about KPL before I read about BCCI’s buzdil badmaashi on Aljazeera, lol. Thanks to BCCI this has got more attention. Modi and his chamch’’ays are slowly digging their own grave. The consequences will be felt in due time.
 
Honestly I didn’t know about KPL before I read about BCCI’s buzdil badmaashi on Aljazeera, lol. Thanks to BCCI this has got more attention. Modi and his chamch’’ays are slowly digging their own grave. The consequences will be felt in due time.

Trust me as a Pak fan you should not be happy with this. A hugely popular KPL can only be bad for PSL. The reason IPL is still the defacto numero uno league is bcoz BCCI never allowed any competiton.

BCCIs objection to KPL was only bcoz it is a political league but if in the process it did made it popular, it only can be bad news for PSL. PCB understands this too and hence not allowing its contracted players to play in it.

Not sure why you are getting happy with KPLs popularity rise..lol.
 
Trust me as a Pak fan you should not be happy with this. A hugely popular KPL can only be bad for PSL. The reason IPL is still the defacto numero uno league is bcoz BCCI never allowed any competiton.

BCCIs objection to KPL was only bcoz it is a political league but if in the process it did made it popular, it only can be bad news for PSL. PCB understands this too and hence not allowing its contracted players to play in it.

Not sure why you are getting happy with KPLs popularity rise..lol.

The IPL is successful because out of a 1.2 billion population around 1billion are cricket mad and will watch any sort of cricket that involves Indian international players...

I think you'll find that is the bottom line

Do you really think that if Kohli and other Indians played BBL or whatever the IPL would have less viewership snd hence less money involved in it?
 
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Tangential: How come no Kashmiri from either side has played for India/Pakistan?

Abdur Rauf and Hasan Raza are from Azad Kashmir and have represented Pakistan, the latter at the youth level.
 
Doesnt matter.
They were retired anyways. This league wasnt getting that much hype.

Indias actions led to this league being made the talk of the town that to around the world.

Infact, with the players exposing what bcci was trying to do has not only led to more people know about kpl but Pakistan will also be getting two points for free in the world t20 while india already has a L.

Hopefully they wont backtrack from their threats of not playing us in an the icc tournament.

It has been a winwin for us.

If it doesn't matter why did KPL hire them?

Pakistan get two points and India get L? How?
 
What can PCB do? Nothing. So they keep quiet.


But PCB is not keeping quiet. They are embarrassing BCCI internationally and ex players like Herschelle Gibbs are making fun of BCCI.
This Kashmir league was not worth mentioning but BCCI is now making it famous.

In politics There is no bad publicity. India is drawing attention towards Kashmir issue (which India by the way does not want) by doing this. :genius
 
unbelievable that some of our esteemed indian posters are defending what is in effect a move by the BCCI to actively hurt cricket in a different country for no real reason. KPL was going to be a relatively small regional tournament and the BCCI got involved in slating it for no reason. we need to rise above parochialism to be somewhat intellectually honest in this discourse.
 
But PCB is not keeping quiet. They are embarrassing BCCI internationally and ex players like Herschelle Gibbs are making fun of BCCI.
This Kashmir league was not worth mentioning but BCCI is now making it famous.

In politics There is no bad publicity. India is drawing attention towards Kashmir issue (which India by the way does not want) by doing this. :genius

So what is pcb doing? How many foreigners have they managed? 2? Rest kicked the KPL i hear.

BCCI has made sure that except pakistanis and 2 foreigners no one will play in KPL.
 
So what is pcb doing? How many foreigners have they managed? 2? Rest kicked the KPL i hear.

BCCI has made sure that except pakistanis and 2 foreigners no one will play in KPL.

AFAIK only Panesar has backed out. Besides, BCCI might have won a small battle but lost the war, given the publicity this league got, and the fact that at least some retired cricketers are participating.
 
Amazing. This is what we call "badmaashi". According to that poster you quoted, if you are stronger you can do what ever you want. Just forget sportsmanship, spirit of the game, even humanity.

To be honest this is a new low for India in many ways. I mean what ground would they have for criticizing other countries in other issues? I have never seen a country just use the argument "it's against our interests" without backing that with some tangible point. Here we have people not even backing this with a tangible point, but just going off about their interests. People outside India don't care about Indian interests, they want to see a tangible reason, and they certainly don't appreciate hypocrisy or double standards. There's no way this does any benefit to BCCI or India but instead does far more damage than anything.
 
The BCCI could've shown their disapproval in a better way.

BLackmailing retired foreign players and bullying their cricket boards in an attempt to sabotage this small league....was too extreme and very petty on part of BCCI

When the player has stated that he wasn't blackmailed, now our PP experts know better than him.
 
When the player has stated that he wasn't blackmailed, now our PP experts know better than him.

Ah yes, that's totally not how blackmail works. Clearly people don't get told what to say, how to say it, etc. They all act on their own. :))). I mean it's staring right in the face, I can only imagine bakhts pretending it's not there.
 
The IPL is successful because out of a 1.2 billion population around 1billion are cricket mad and will watch any sort of cricket that involves Indian international players...

I think you'll find that is the bottom line

Do you really think that if Kohli and other Indians played BBL or whatever the IPL would have less viewership snd hence less money involved in it?

BCCI wouldn't have allowed them in the first place. They would have to break the contract with the BCCI and would have to resort as independent player.

Players are not bigger than the system in India. Big players have been sacked due to various reasons regardless their impact.

players are for the team.

Its exactly reverse of Pakistan cricket.
 
Doesnt matter.
They were retired anyways. This league wasnt getting that much hype.

Indias actions led to this league being made the talk of the town that to around the world.

Infact, with the players exposing what bcci was trying to do has not only led to more people know about kpl but Pakistan will also be getting two points for free in the world t20 while india already has a L.

Hopefully they wont backtrack from their threats of not playing us in an the icc tournament.

It has been a winwin for us.

KPL is not a competitor of IPL anyways so whatever success the KPL gets is immaterial. But in the bigger picture, now every player which works with/want to work with BCCI, is been made aware that if they want to involve in cricket in India, they will have to get approval from BCCI first before enrolling themselves in any other league. You can agree or disagree to above but this stamps the authority of India even in leagues that are not in jurisdiction of BCCI.
 
KPL is not a competitor of IPL anyways so whatever success the KPL gets is immaterial. But in the bigger picture, now every player which works with/want to work with BCCI, is been made aware that if they want to involve in cricket in India, they will have to get approval from BCCI first before enrolling themselves in any other league. You can agree or disagree to above but this stamps the authority of India even in leagues that are not in jurisdiction of BCCI.

How are you drawing this conclusion anyway? This whole issue is about the league being played in AJK. I can't imagine any player giving it a thought if the league isn't being played in Kashmir.
 
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