Indian military claims that IAF MiG-21 shot down Pakistani F-16

[srh]

Even if India did shot down a Pakistan F16, most people will not believe it because India has been caught too many times lying especially Indian media and now they have created a reputation of being a liar.

 

[pillionrider]

The crowd talking of a 2nd pilot. If he's IAF, it would be pathetic from India to disown their own. Why did Pak hide this, unless he died after they'd captured him.

Or he's a PAF pilot whom the villagers here have mistaken for an IAF pilot. Either he died, which would make PAF disowning him equally pathetic, or he survived but his plane got shot down and Pak wants to deny such an event.

Either way, one of the sides is most likely lying and India based on its recent behaviour will get more fingers pointing at it.

 

[Realromeo]

The crowd talking of a 2nd pilot. If he's IAF, it would be pathetic from India to disown their own. Why did Pak hide this, unless he died after they'd captured him.

Or he's a PAF pilot whom the villagers here have mistaken for an IAF pilot. Either he died, which would make PAF disowning him equally pathetic, or he survived but his plane got shot down and Pak wants to deny such an event.

Either way, one of the sides is most likely lying and India based on its recent behaviour will get more fingers pointing at it.

If truly one of our jet goes down and most importantly one of our pilot died it won't stay in the dark for a very long time. I've lost respect for the Indian Army, IAF has been acting very idiotically lately and I don't want to lose all the respect I have for them. But whatever the case maybe, the truth will eventually come out.

 

[MSaad1237]

the mystery of the 2nd Pilot needs to be resolved ..

 

[MSaad1237]

both sides are hiding stuff ,maybe to deescalate things.

 

[PetroDollars]

The crowd talking of a 2nd pilot. If he's IAF, it would be pathetic from India to disown their own. Why did Pak hide this, unless he died after they'd captured him.

Or he's a PAF pilot whom the villagers here have mistaken for an IAF pilot. Either he died, which would make PAF disowning him equally pathetic, or he survived but his plane got shot down and Pak wants to deny such an event.

Either way, one of the sides is most likely lying and India based on its recent behaviour will get more fingers pointing at it.

India has a history of disowning there dead soliders, this isnt the first time.

 

[IMMY69]

What are these theories going around that the second pilot was Israeli??
Any truth in this?

 

[PetroDollars]

What are these theories going around that the second pilot was Israeli??
Any truth in this?

israelis have no experience using russian tech, rubbish news, but even though mullahs love to bring israel into everything, this may have been an ISI propaganda, to expose indias relationship with israel as some muslim countries especially iran were getting to comfortable with india.

 

[gazza619]

I think the second pilot may be from IAF and he died

 

[a_tahir]

Why're we still talking about this?
Nothing came out and nothing will. The mini-feud is over now

 

[IMMY69]

israelis have no experience using russian tech, rubbish news, but even though mullahs love to bring israel into everything, this may have been an ISI propaganda, to expose indias relationship with israel as some muslim countries especially iran were getting to comfortable with india.

Yes that makes sense

 

[Bilal7]

The crowd talking of a 2nd pilot. If he's IAF, it would be pathetic from India to disown their own. Why did Pak hide this, unless he died after they'd captured him.

Or he's a PAF pilot whom the villagers here have mistaken for an IAF pilot. Either he died, which would make PAF disowning him equally pathetic, or he survived but his plane got shot down and Pak wants to deny such an event.

Either way, one of the sides is most likely lying and India based on its recent behaviour will get more fingers pointing at it.

If truly one of our jet goes down and most importantly one of our pilot died it won't stay in the dark for a very long time. I've lost respect for the Indian Army, IAF has been acting very idiotically lately and I don't want to lose all the respect I have for them. But whatever the case maybe, the truth will eventually come out.

It's very obvious what happened if you remember the series of events and how they were announced by the two air forces.

1) PAF initially said that one pilot was captured and the other was in hiding in Kashmir. India stated that all their pilots were accounted for.

We know know that the pilot in hiding was Abhinandad who was being beaten up by Pakistani villagers before being captured.

2) The PAF then announced that two pilots were captured and one was receiving treatment at an army hospital. India made no comments for the longest time until the PAF provided video evidence of Abhinandan.

We could all notice the loss of face that India suffered as a result of this capture and the nation-wide trolling that the Pakistanis became obsessed with.

3) The PAF announced that they currently only have one pilot in custody and that he is being treated well. The IAF starts throwing out a bunch of statements such as a downed F-16 and praises Abhinandan but made no statement about the alleged capture of the second pilot.

The Indian media runs with the downed F-16 to try and restore some national pride, even reporting on video game footage.

4) Pakistan releases the pilot as an act of goodwill, gaining renown at the international arena, India calls it a victory because Pakistan only held the pilot for a couple of days and the war hysteria dies down, with both nations mostly satisfied but Pakistan emerging as the clear victor in the eyes of neutrals.

The most likely scenario is that the second pilot was definitely from the IAF but died while under the operating table at the army hospital. The fact that the PAF immediately said that two IAF pilots were captured and that the IAF initially said that no pilots were missing makes me believe that India were going to try and disown both the pilots. That is why they expressed such disgust when Abhinandan was shown sipping tea and complimenting his captors.

However, Pakistan were unable to provide video evidence of the second pilot because he died and therefore, allowed the IAF to disown him and sweep him under the rug. The F-16 story was enough to pacify the nation and they did not need to accuse Pakistan of killing one of its pilots while he was under arrest because that would only lose them more face.

Pakistan also did not have much to gain by blowing the trumpet of capturing two pilots, instead of just one. That would only increase hostilities and both the army and Imran know that would be bad news. The fact that the Indian claims of killing terrorists, downing a jet and doing pretty much anything of note during this skirmish, being brutally exposed by independent experts and verifiers just made the dead IAF pilot even more redundant.

He was the only who was captured first and probably had no interaction with any civilians so it was quite easy to hide both the capture and the operation. On the other side of the border, I'm sure the family was handsomly compensated and told not to look into the cause of death too much. The fact that around four to six IAF servicemen died in Indian territory during the course of these skirmishes in allegedly unrelated events, made the coverup that much easier.

The PM and the army wouldn't have said that there were two pilots and only shown video evidence of one, unless something unexpected, like death, spoiled their plans. Had the pilot been alive, he would have certainly been on video too and the IAF would have acknowledged him, just like they acknowledged Abhinandan. Pakistan have no reason to lie about a second pilot, given all that happened.

 

[Realromeo]

It's very obvious what happened if you remember the series of events and how they were announced by the two air forces.

1) PAF initially said that one pilot was captured and the other was in hiding in Kashmir. India stated that all their pilots were accounted for.

We know know that the pilot in hiding was Abhinandad who was being beaten up by Pakistani villagers before being captured.

2) The PAF then announced that two pilots were captured and one was receiving treatment at an army hospital. India made no comments for the longest time until the PAF provided video evidence of Abhinandan.

We could all notice the loss of face that India suffered as a result of this capture and the nation-wide trolling that the Pakistanis became obsessed with.

3) The PAF announced that they currently only have one pilot in custody and that he is being treated well. The IAF starts throwing out a bunch of statements such as a downed F-16 and praises Abhinandan but made no statement about the alleged capture of the second pilot.

The Indian media runs with the downed F-16 to try and restore some national pride, even reporting on video game footage.

4) Pakistan releases the pilot as an act of goodwill, gaining renown at the international arena, India calls it a victory because Pakistan only held the pilot for a couple of days and the war hysteria dies down, with both nations mostly satisfied but Pakistan emerging as the clear victor in the eyes of neutrals.

The most likely scenario is that the second pilot was definitely from the IAF but died while under the operating table at the army hospital. The fact that the PAF immediately said that two IAF pilots were captured and that the IAF initially said that no pilots were missing makes me believe that India were going to try and disown both the pilots. That is why they expressed such disgust when Abhinandan was shown sipping tea and complimenting his captors.

However, Pakistan were unable to provide video evidence of the second pilot because he died and therefore, allowed the IAF to disown him and sweep him under the rug. The F-16 story was enough to pacify the nation and they did not need to accuse Pakistan of killing one of its pilots while he was under arrest because that would only lose them more face.

Pakistan also did not have much to gain by blowing the trumpet of capturing two pilots, instead of just one. That would only increase hostilities and both the army and Imran know that would be bad news. The fact that the Indian claims of killing terrorists, downing a jet and doing pretty much anything of note during this skirmish, being brutally exposed by independent experts and verifiers just made the dead IAF pilot even more redundant.

He was the only who was captured first and probably had no interaction with any civilians so it was quite easy to hide both the capture and the operation. On the other side of the border, I'm sure the family was handsomly compensated and told not to look into the cause of death too much. The fact that around four to six IAF servicemen died in Indian territory during the course of these skirmishes in allegedly unrelated events, made the coverup that much easier.

The PM and the army wouldn't have said that there were two pilots and only shown video evidence of one, unless something unexpected, like death, spoiled their plans. Had the pilot been alive, he would have certainly been on video too and the IAF would have acknowledged him, just like they acknowledged Abhinandan. Pakistan have no reason to lie about a second pilot, given all that happened.

Like I said, a death of an IAF pilot won't go unnoticed. It'll come out if it did indeed happened. Most people in India have started believing that we took an L in the air battle.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Do Indians really thinks that MIG-21 shot down the F-16D ?

If so, how ? when ? where ? and wheres the proof ?

 

[Pete Rose]

Dont troll. Everyone who pushed this baloney has been thoroughly embarrassed by this.

 

[Azzurri]

Can we please close this thread. Enough of this crap already.

 

[Syed1]

Some of these looneys still believe that India conducted surgical strikes 1 and 2, and IAF was flying inside Pakistani airspace for 21 minutes and they killed 300-600 people. Also that seeing the huge number of advancing IAF jets, the PAF planes retreated and returned back to base. Seriously I'm not making this up, this is all from their media.



Then you have anchors like Arnab Goswami who claimed that IK's address to the nation was edited several times because he has "reports" that IK broke down several times and was inconsolable all because of Indian pressure.



Matlab even Bollywood might seem more realistic than this.



Choti quam ke chotay log.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Dont troll. Everyone who pushed this baloney has been thoroughly embarrassed by this.

i am not trolling. thre are many defence/sports sites/forums wheres Indians still celebrating of shoting down the F-16..

 

[Greenstorm]

They believed in surgical strikes, they can believe anything.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Some of these looneys still believe that India conducted surgical strikes 1 and 2, and IAF was flying inside Pakistani airspace for 21 minutes and they killed 300-600 people. Also that seeing the huge number of advancing IAF jets, the PAF planes retreated and returned back to base. Seriously I'm not making this up, this is all from their media.



Then you have anchors like Arnab Goswami who claimed that IK's address to the nation was edited several times because he has "reports" that IK broke down several times and was inconsolable all because of Indian pressure.



Matlab even Bollywood might seem more realistic than this.



Choti quam ke chotay log.

even thre so called intellectualls are agreeing that they have shotdown F-16 with Mig-21.
but no one asking any question of proof. no one is asking from govt. they only saying this becoz thre govt told them so its must be true.

and US/lockheed martin are so dumb that they havent contacted the PAF/pakistani govt for its wreckage and all stuff... i mean seriously.

 

[Lonewarrior]

The F-16 is the darling product of US/Lockhed martin, they cant sit idle and not look for the wrecakge to take it back. anyone who knows about US tech, must know that US is very sensitive about its equipment.

 

[ILcricket]

another old tweet i happened across : Wing Co.Abhinandan Varthaman shot down an F-16 flown by Wing Co.Hyder Shahbaz Ali , the CO of PAF's 19th Sqn "Sherdils".This is the pilot mistaken to be a Sikh by the mob at Horran Kotla in PoK and lynched."Shahzaz" was actually "Shahbaz"
[pic was attached to the tweet ]

 

[Lonewarrior]

another old tweet i happened across : Wing Co.Abhinandan Varthaman shot down an F-16 flown by Wing Co.Hyder Shahbaz Ali , the CO of PAF's 19th Sqn "Sherdils".This is the pilot mistaken to be a Sikh by the mob at Horran Kotla in PoK and lynched."Shahzaz" was actually "Shahbaz"
[pic was attached to the tweet ]

exactly how many holes we have in this plot ?
it gt twists and turn and spin..

 

[Lonewarrior]

Non-existent pilot

Air Marshal Wasimuddin has two sons, Aleem Uddin and Waqar Uddin. Waqar is studying in Warwickshire in the United Kingdom, while Aleem, who has studied at Royal Holloway, the University of London, works in the telecom sector.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/03/article/no-proof-india-shot-down-pakistan-f-16/

 

[ILcricket]

Non-existent pilot




https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/03/article/no-proof-india-shot-down-pakistan-f-16/

so no loss ?

 

[Lonewarrior]

so no loss ?

bhai, no pilot so obviously no F-16. as i said before, lockhed martin is very sensitive about its tech, a missing F-16 isnt a joke.
besides the tech crew of lockhed martin in pakistan didnt claim any missing F-16 from any PAF bases. All PAF F-16s serial numbers are available in US/Lockhed martin's record.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I witnessed Wing Commander Abhinandan shooting down Pak's F-16 aircraft: Squadron Leader Minty Agarwal <a href="https://t.co/rnqo1iyRYD">https://t.co/rnqo1iyRYD</a></p>— Times of India (@timesofindia) <a href="https://twitter.com/timesofindia/status/1162043774782070784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Here comes the 'proof'

 

[the Great Khan]

I just saw the starship enterprise fly by my window..

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wing Commander <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AbhinandanVarthaman?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AbhinandanVarthaman</a>, who downed Pak F16, flies again, this time with IAF chief<a href="https://t.co/85bVQP5Sw5">https://t.co/85bVQP5Sw5</a><br><br>Picture credit: ANI <a href="https://t.co/a7ziNvTkK6">pic.twitter.com/a7ziNvTkK6</a></p>— Hindustan Times (@htTweets) <a href="https://twitter.com/htTweets/status/1168434081601687552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..."

 

[King-Misbah]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wing Commander <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AbhinandanVarthaman?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AbhinandanVarthaman</a>, who downed Pak F16, flies again, this time with IAF chief<a href="https://t.co/85bVQP5Sw5">https://t.co/85bVQP5Sw5</a><br><br>Picture credit: ANI <a href="https://t.co/a7ziNvTkK6">pic.twitter.com/a7ziNvTkK6</a></p>— Hindustan Times (@htTweets) <a href="https://twitter.com/htTweets/status/1168434081601687552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..."

Indians are great liars.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Enough With The Indian Mig-21 Bison Versus Pakistani F-16 Viper Bullcrap

BY TYLER ROGOWAYMARCH 11, 2019

have never seen such a large and diverse mess of misinformation spouted and parroted with wild abandon about a military skirmish than what has come out of the short spate of Pakistani-Indian air battles that occurred in late February. But one aspect of those operations, in particular, has been so ridiculously mischaracterized by the media, so-called analysts, and the public in general, that the majority of narratives surrounding it have to be called out for what they are—total ********.

During a Pakistani Air Force counterstrike operation on February 27th, one that came in response to India's air raid into their territory on February 26th, an Indian MiG-21 Bison was shot down and its pilot, Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, captured. He was returned to India in remarkably good shape not long after. Claims that India shot down a Pakistani F-16 during that same incident quickly followed.

What has come as a result of all this has been a full-on information assault of laughably childish narratives that lack any understanding of modern air combat and appear to be largely driven by blind nationalism, political spin, or straight-up stupidity, not reality or fact.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26880/enough-with-the-indian-mig-21-bison-versus-pakistani-f-16-viper-********

Joshila ..... ) ) )

 

[Varun]

Facts:

1. The PAF took out an IAF MiG-21. If Abhinandan wasn't shown on the telly, Modi would have had his media cell lie through its teeth that nothing had happened and the poor fellow suffered a heart attack.

2. The PAF did not take down any SU-30MKI. That part is just trolling and weakly wishes to build a false narrative on the back of the MiG-21 shootdown.

 

[the Great Khan]

Facts:

1. The PAF took out an IAF MiG-21. If Abhinandan wasn't shown on the telly, Modi would have had his media cell lie through its teeth that nothing had happened and the poor fellow suffered a heart attack.

2. The PAF did not take down any SU-30MKI. That part is just trolling and weakly wishes to build a false narrative on the back of the MiG-21 shootdown.

1.) True

2.) The PAF has shown the evidence to those in the know. What they have said is the aircraft may have made it back to base but was hit. But again it doesnt really matter so much. The bigger issue is that the Su30's with their european avionics and the Mirage 2000's with their european avionics didnt shoot down a single chinese origin aircraft, 70's vintage Mirages and 1980's origin F16's. Zero. Why?

 

[Syed1]

Facts:

1. The PAF took out an IAF MiG-21. If Abhinandan wasn't shown on the telly, Modi would have had his media cell lie through its teeth that nothing had happened and the poor fellow suffered a heart attack.

2. The PAF did not take down any SU-30MKI. That part is just trolling and weakly wishes to build a false narrative on the back of the MiG-21 shootdown.

Three Pakistani radars saw the SU-30 blip go silent. Make that of what you will.

 

[gani999]

Three Pakistani radars saw the SU-30 blip go silent. Make that of what you will.

Several Indian radars saw the signature of an F-16 disappear too. How about making that of what you will?

IAF lost a MIG-21 and it is exactly what is expected to happen if a 1960s vintage of questionable performance is sent into battle in today's times.

PAF did not shoot down anything besides the MIG-21. Period.

 

[gani999]

1.) True

2.) The PAF has shown the evidence to those in the know. What they have said is the aircraft may have made it back to base but was hit. But again it doesnt really matter so much. The bigger issue is that the Su30's with their european avionics and the Mirage 2000's with their european avionics didnt shoot down a single chinese origin aircraft, 70's vintage Mirages and 1980's origin F16's. Zero. Why?

LOL IAF MIG-21s, SU-30S, Mirage-2000s and whatnot against PAF F-16s, Chinese aircraft and Mirage F-4s? What was it? A full fledged Indo-Pak air war over Kashmir?

 

[Syed1]

Several Indian radars saw the signature of an F-16 disappear too. How about making that of what you will?

IAF lost a MIG-21 and it is exactly what is expected to happen if a 1960s vintage of questionable performance is sent into battle in today's times.

PAF did not shoot down anything besides the MIG-21. Period.

Lol sure if it helps you sleep at night. Your airforce knows what happened

 

[the Great Khan]

LOL IAF MIG-21s, SU-30S, Mirage-2000s and whatnot against PAF F-16s, Chinese aircraft and Mirage F-4s? What was it? A full fledged Indo-Pak air war over Kashmir?

so you think the IAF just sent one lone MIG21 up to say hi? we sent nearly 24 aircraft in broad daylight. A full package as they call it and you sent 1 lone fighter? shows how little you know..

 

[finalfantasy7]

so India pulled out from the exercise in russia, leaves china/ pak :

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