Indian Muslim comedian on conflicted loyalties in India-Pakistan cricket!

[CricketCartoons]

The only challenge here is for you to make sense.

Have it come across to your mind that peoples killing each other in the name of religion basically means that religious identity is taken seriously ?

And again, why don't you address the fact that nations have been built in the name of religious identity ? How more "serious" do you want it ?

Muslims and Hindus/Sikhs in Punjab butchering each other in '47 is a proof that, in this regional context at least, religion trumped cultural identities.

In fact I don't even know the point you're trying to make apart from your daily dose of attention-seeking.

Sorry, it is you who is seeking attention. Only an attention seeker or a fool will think artificial means non existent, and I refuse to believe you are the latter.

I am ignoring your verbal diarrhoea which is not even related to the argument. religious identity has had its days, but that was not the contention. just that there is bigger power that people have submitted to instead of the God/Prophet of their religion and gave you examples. As usual you have had no counter to that and are running like a headless chicken with "not your matter", "go do this and that before lecturing me" and all the usual childish retorts which intellectually challenged or attention seekers resort to.

 

[JaDed]

The only challenge here is for you to make sense.

Have it come across to your mind that peoples killing each other in the name of religion basically means that religious identity is taken seriously ?

And again, why don't you address the fact that nations have been built in the name of religious identity ? How more "serious" do you want it ?

Muslims and Hindus/Sikhs in Punjab butchering each other in '47 is a proof that, in this regional context at least, religion trumped cultural identities.

In fact I don't even know the point you're trying to make apart from your daily dose of attention-seeking.

Lol Pakistani army butchered Bangladeshis ,means religious identity didn't matter,
Or in this case cultural identity took over, cultural identity still is a big thing, if not Bombay cinema or Pakistani songs won't be popular in Pak and India respectively.

 

[enkidu_]

Lol Pakistani army butchered Bangladeshis ,means religious identity didn't matter,
Or in this case cultural identity took over, cultural identity still is a big thing, if not Bombay cinema or Pakistani songs won't be popular in Pak and India respectively.

Pak army/security forces butchering Bangladeshis or Indian army/security forces butchering Sikhs, Naxalites, etc has no relevance for the religious identity itself, like a crime doesn't affect the legitimacy of a penal code and so on, and I've already quoted a Bangladeshi academic saying that after '71 if Bangladesh came to being it was precisely because the religious identity of Muslim Bengalis trumped their ethnic identity. If ethnic/cultural identity was that strong Punjabis would have formed a nation irrespective of religion, Tamils would have formed a nation irrespective of religion, Bengalis would have formed a nation irrespective of religion, etc but what are the facts is that in '47 Punjabis of different religions slaughtered each other because of their religious identity.

A whole nation was formed on the very idea of religious identity superseding the ethnic one in 47' and in '71 another again vindicated the TNT.

Ask Muslims of Punjab whether they feel closer to a Muslim Urdu speaker and ask Punjabi Hindus whether they feel closer to a Tamil Hindu or a Punjabi Muslim you'll get your answer (even it has already been answered in '47).

And Punjabi/Pathan dominated Bollywood or Atif Aslam are not indicators of identity.

 

[Slog]

I am yet to meet an Indian Muslim in person who likes or supports Pakistan in any way. On the contrary they seem to be the most bitter and full of venom when it comes to anything Pakistani. Its almost like they are constantly trying to justify to themselves their forefathers decision to stay back in India rather than migrate by continuingly pointing out the problems in Pakistan. Its as if they are having such a great time in India. They seem to feel a need to constantly show their anti-Pakistan attitude to their Hindu countrymen so they don't get targeted as being less patriotic or hear taunts like "Go back to Pakistan". Feel sorry for them tbh, they seem to be carrying a lot of historically psychological and emotional baggage it seems.

thats been my experience generally too asides from a few occassions in the US and in Saudi

in fact once i remember i was having a discussion about PSL with a couple of indian muslims and they were like 'its boring and not fun.' I replied 'obviously since you dont support pak cricket you wouldnt find watching our local players interesting.' And his reply verbatin was'agar main aap ko dil ka haal bataon keh main kissay support karta hun tu aap apna seena chaurha karein ge' He mentioned how most of his community also supports Pak

 

[Hitman]

A lot of my Muslim friends invite me and our other fiends to their place during cricket matches. They arrange food for us, and even allow us to bring alcohol. And all of us enjoy a wonderful time together. They live and breathe India. As a matter of fact, God forbid if any idiot even dares to question their patriotism in front us, they will be beaten up mercilessly by my friends. Such is the bond we share.

 

[TM Riddle]

A lot of my Muslim friends invite me and our other fiends to their place during cricket matches. They arrange food for us, and even allow us to bring alcohol. And all of us enjoy a wonderful time together. They live and breathe India. As a matter of fact, God forbid if any idiot even dares to question their patriotism in front us, they will be beaten up mercilessly by my friends. Such is the bond we share.

Do they also say " hum hindustan ko itna support karte hain ki aapka seena chaura ho jayega" to you?

 

[Hitman]

Do they also say " hum hindustan ko itna support karte hain ki aapka seena chaura ho jayega" to you?

We have been friends since childhood. They invite us during Eid, we invite them over to our place for Diwali, Holi, etc. Religion has never been an issue among us.

An honest question, how has you experience been in Rajasthan with your Muslim friends?


P.S. I'm sorry regarding my rude responses in that thread we argued about Priyanka Chopra. Not like I care for her much either

 

[TM Riddle]

We have been friends since childhood. They invite us during Eid, we invite them over to our place for Diwali, Holi, etc. Religion has never been an issue among us.

An honest question, how has you experience been in Rajasthan with your Muslim friends?


P.S. I'm sorry regarding my rude responses in that thread we argued about Priyanka Chopra. Not like I care for her much either

Which Priyanka Chopra thread?
You shouldn't mind my posts too much.I drunk post half of the time here.

My experience is what you would call a normal experience. I identify more with a Muslim Rajasthani than say a Bihari Hindu Rajput. People are chilled and relaxed types here. The hate we see is limited only to the social media.

 

[Hitman]

Which Priyanka Chopra thread?
You shouldn't mind my posts too much.I drunk post half of the time here.

HaHa .... much like I used to do earlier

My experience is what you would call a normal experience. I identify more with a Muslim Rajasthani than say a Bihari Hindu Rajput. People are chilled and relaxed types here. The hate we see is limited only to the social media.

Same here. It's laughable that people outside India make their perceptions based on social media. Religion has never mattered to me or my family or my friends, as long as I can remember. Some of my Muslims friends are some of the finest people I have met in life.

 

[Slog]

I don't question loyalty based in religion.

But I somewhat will play devil's advocate here. When you put as muslim first before all other aspects, then you shouldn't be surprised if people asked you about priority.

They will be conflict between what religion tells and what they feel and hence, affirmation will be asked.

In India these days being hindu and indian was are being seen as one and the same. I saw Ram Madhav on Al Jazeera say that indian culture is hindu culture and vice versa. Subhramaniam Swamy, another senior BJP guy, said the same that you can be different religion but culture has to be hindu. And on tv I saw a tv host say to an indian mullah day Jai Shri Ram if you are indian and I will say Assalam Alaikum as if they are even comparable.

 

[JaDed]

In India these days being hindu and indian was are being seen as one and the same. I saw Ram Madhav on Al Jazeera say that indian culture is hindu culture and vice versa. Subhramaniam Swamy, another senior BJP guy, said the same that you can be different religion but culture has to be hindu. And on tv I saw a tv host say to an indian mullah day Jai Shri Ram if you are indian and I will say Assalam Alaikum as if they are even comparable.

The same Media will also tell you that India is booming and everyone wants to invest in India, India is super duper blah blah.

You cannot take your narrative based on the media that doesn't even cover entire India or atleast not play pick and choose as you want to.

 

[Giannis]

The same Media will also tell you that India is booming and everyone wants to invest in India, India is super duper blah blah.

You cannot take your narrative based on the media that doesn't even cover entire India or atleast not play pick and choose as you want to.

Except Ram Madhav and the Subramanian guy aren't the "Indian media" - they're prominent Indian politicians from the ruling party. Their opinion on the identity of India carries as much significance as the opinion of a high ranking Republican politician affiliated with the Trump admin.

 

[JaDed]

Except Ram Madhav and the Subramanian guy aren't the "Indian media" - they're prominent Indian politicians from the ruling party. Their opinion on the identity of India carries as much significance as the opinion of a high ranking Republican politician affiliated with the Trump admin.

So you are saying Trump's opinion on things reflects American reality?

 

[Giannis]

So you are saying Trump's opinion on things reflects American reality?

Unfortunately it is. The President of your country and the current state of things kind of dictates the values and vision of the nation.

 

[Slog]

Lmaoo. Special interaction in last page between Napa and TMRiddle

Napa first claims Mughals only lasted 180 years but Chola lasted 700 years. But then when pointed out that he is wrong length of Mughal empire rule and it ending at Aurangzeb he shifts goalposts and says that he is only talking about the strong Mughals and not weaklings. But for the 700 Chola rule he doesn’t use the same parameters and includes even localized rulers. And then says don’t argue on semantics

Par for the course