Indian Muslims

[R3verse Swing]

I wonder why are British Pakistanis so concerned about how Muslims are treated in India. I bet that if we start talking about the condition of minorities in Pakistan, the likes of [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], [MENTION=146465]R3verse Swing[/MENTION] would be nowhere to be seen.

Same reason I wonder why Indian Hindus are concerned about Pakistani Muslims on a Pakistani forum run by British Pakistani Muslims.

 

[Rahul1]

Same reason I wonder why Indian Hindus are concerned about Pakistani Muslims on a Pakistani forum run by British Pakistani Muslims.

I'm not. Sorry to hurt your feelings.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I'm not. Sorry to hurt your feelings.

Never said you are. Fact remains an Indian on a Pakistani forum smacks of irony given your comment.

Now run along.

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[Varun]

Here's the bottom line. Indian Muslims have not tasted azaadi like Pakistani Muslims have. Deep down Indian Muslims are hurting but do not have the courage to man up and accept they are 3rd class citizens in India, despite the facts and figures which confront them. Even in this thread, any trace of an Indian muslims, and it's Pakistan this Pakistan that. They call it subconscious cruelty.

If I was going to be born a Muslim, I'd wish I was a Sunni born into an oil rich Persian Gulf state rather than any other place. At the very least, I'd have a silver spoon and be taken care of by the state from cradle to grave

 

[Rahul1]

Never said you are. Fact remains an Indian on a Pakistani forum smacks of irony given your comment.

Now run along.

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So that's the best you can come up with?

 

[R3verse Swing]

If I was going to be born a Muslim, I'd wish I was a Sunni born into an oil rich Persian Gulf state rather than any other place. At the very least, I'd have a silver spoon and be taken care of by the state from cradle to grave

That's like saying if you were born a Hindu you'd wish you were born in a higher caste. No wait. . . .

 

[mankuTimma]

Same reason I wonder why Indian Hindus are concerned about Pakistani Muslims on a Pakistani forum run by British Pakistani Muslims.

We have concerns about all religious people not only Pakistani Muslims.Thats why we talk about persecuation of Hindus/Christians in Pakistan too.

 

[R3verse Swing]

So that's the best you can come up with?

Just using your own fallacious argument. Why do you care about Pakistanis let alone Muslims by being an Indian member on a Pakistani forum?

Not my fault you expose yourself.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I wonder why are British Pakistanis so concerned about how Muslims are treated in India. I bet that if we start talking about the condition of minorities in Pakistan, the likes of [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], [MENTION=146465]R3verse Swing[/MENTION] would be nowhere to be seen.

Why should British Pakistanis be less concerned than anyone else? India showed so much concern for minorities in Pakistan that they offered visas to them as long as they weren't Christians, Shias or Ahmadis. You are talking about a few posters on a message board, that was actual govt policy discriminating on religious grounds.

 

[R3verse Swing]

We have concerns about all religious people not only Pakistani Muslims.Thats why we talk about persecuation of Hindus/Christians in Pakistan too.

Good, then tell you Indian brethren not to weep when Pakistanis over the world highlight the persecution of Muslims in SECULAR India.

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[mankuTimma]

Good, then tell you Indian brethren not to weep when Pakistanis over the world highlight the persecution of Muslims in SECULAR India.

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We weep for the hypocrisy as any decent human being do.When so much atrocities happen in Pakistan but hardly many here bother but takes too much interest in Indian Muslims is just astounding.Is life in Pakistan that much cheaper..I weep for them.

 

[mankuTimma]

Why should British Pakistanis be less concerned than anyone else? India showed so much concern for minorities in Pakistan that they offered visas to them as long as they weren't Christians, Shias or Ahmadis. You are talking about a few posters on a message board, that was actual govt policy discriminating on religious grounds.

Pakistan can also issue visas right? Oh wait no one interested even after supposed persecution.

 

[R3verse Swing]

We weep for the hypocrisy as any decent human being do.When so much atrocities happen in Pakistan but hardly many here bother but takes too much interest in Indian Muslims is just astounding.Is life in Pakistan that much cheaper..I weep for them.

But clearly you care. Being Indian on an Pakistani forum. I admire your concern.

Life is as a Muslim in Pakistan is 100 times better than life as a non Hindu in India.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Pakistan can also issue visas right? Oh wait no one interested even after supposed persecution.

Pakistani offers dual nationality unlike India does.

 

[mankuTimma]

But clearly you care. Being Indian on an Pakistani forum. I admire your concern.

Life is as a Muslim in Pakistan is 100 times better than life as a non Hindu in India.

Shias?Ahmadis? Also what about Minorities, they doesn’t matter?

 

[Varun]

That's like saying if you were born a Hindu you'd wish you were born in a higher caste. No wait. . . .

Yes, you should hope to be born into the most elite of settings or you're asking for it.

Everywhere else it's a battle between being a 2nd or 3rd class citizen, except if you were born in Abu Dhabi with a silver spoon dipped in black gold. It'll also spare us in India / the UK from your endless whining but hey, we supposedly offer semblance of from of speech, so there.

 

[mankuTimma]

Pakistani offers dual nationality unlike India does.

Is this all fun to you?i thought this is some serious subject didn’t know you are in for fun all along...bye bye..

 

[R3verse Swing]

Shias?Ahmadis? Also what about Minorities, they doesn’t matter?

You are repeating and affirming the state of India. Life In India as a non-Hindu is 100 time WORSE than anything.

By the way, do you know where TMRiddle is?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Is this all fun to you?i thought this is some serious subject didn’t know you are in for fun all along...bye bye..

I am being serious, your Indian government does not recognise dual nationality.

Bye bye!

 

[Varun]

You are repeating and affirming the state of India. Life In India as a non-Hindu is 100 time WORSE than anything.

By the way, do you know where TMRiddle is?

Muslims would do worse than to focus on education in whichever part of the world they reside. I doubt standards are too flash even in territories where they are a numerical majority.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Yes, you should hope to be born into the most elite of settings or you're asking for it.

Everywhere else it's a battle between being a 2nd or 3rd class citizen, except if you were born in Abu Dhabi with a silver spoon dipped in black gold. It'll also spare us in India / the UK from your endless whining but hey, we supposedly offer semblance of from of speech, so there.

You just undermined your hatred for Muslims.

Keep it up.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistan can also issue visas right? Oh wait no one interested even after supposed persecution.

I think there'd be too many interested, that's why Pakistan can't offer visas on a selective basis, especially if that basis is religion. What would they do if they got one million applications?

 

[Varun]

You just undermined your hatred for Muslims.

Keep it up.

Keep what up? I like several aspects of Islam from the outside. In fact, my favourite time of the year is Ramadan - have to admit that you do know how to whip up a great evening meal.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Keep what up? I like several aspects of Islam from the outside. In fact, my favourite time of the year is Ramadan - have to admit that you do know how to whip up a great evening meal.

Yet you call yourself an Atheist. Go on, I dare you, explain why Ramadan is your favourite time of the year?

You can pull wool over others, not me sunshine.

 

[mankuTimma]

I think there'd be too many interested, that's why Pakistan can't offer visas on a selective basis, especially if that basis is religion. What would they do if they got one million applications?

So you don’t want to support Millions of Muslims? Only certain people get supported?what is the criteria? Sunnis only ?

 

[Varun]

Yet you call yourself an Atheist. Go on, I dare you, explain why Ramadan is your favourite time of the year?

You can pull wool over others, not me sunshine.

I'm not an atheist. I pick and choose the best parts from all the religions out there to my liking. If there is a term for this practice, please enlighten us what it's called? And I invite you to also join me in this paradise rather than cocoon yourself into one religion or the other and needlessly up your blood pressure.

*Extends hand*

And I like Ramadan because I'm a foodie. Duh?

 

[R3verse Swing]

I'm not an atheist. I pick and choose the best parts from all the religions out there to my liking. If there is a term for this practice, please enlighten us what it's called? And I invite you to also join me in this paradise rather than cocoon yourself into one religion or the other and needlessly up your blood pressure.

*Extends hand*

And I like Ramadan because I'm a foodie. Duh?

It's called, insecurity.

 

[Varun]

It's called, insecurity.

Jumping from lilypad to lilypad is being insecure? Tch... tch... you have no idea how to think outta the box.

 

[Rahul1]

But clearly you care. Being Indian on an Pakistani forum. I admire your concern.

Life is as a Muslim in Pakistan is 100 times better than life as a non Hindu in India.

Do you have a serious answer about the life of hindus or christians in Pakistan? Or are you going crack the same old lame jokes again?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Jumping from lilypad to lilypad is being insecure? Tch... tch... you have no idea how to think outta the box.

Enlighten me then.

Top 3 aspects of each religion since you limp from one religion to another.

Go!

 

[R3verse Swing]

Do you have a serious answer about the life of hindus or christians in Pakistan? Or are you going crack the same old lame jokes again?

Tell me why an Indian like you is concerned about a view of a Pakistani on a Pak forum.

 

[Rahul1]

Tell me why an Indian like you is concerned about a view of a Pakistani on a Pak forum.

And why are YOU concerned about what's happening in India?

 

[R3verse Swing]

And why are YOU concerned about what's happening in India?

Nothing to see here folks. These guys who say outsiders have no concern of what goes on in India are flummoxed by their own twisted logic and ironic presence.

 

[Rahul1]

Nothing to see here folks. These guys who say outsiders have no concern of what goes on in India are flummoxed by their own twisted logic and ironic presence.

So you don't want to tell us about how minorities are treated in Pakistan? Thought so.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indian muslims are trapped between the muslim clergy and the hindu right. The so called muslim appeasement is a myth and the only people who are appeased is the muslim clergy, because they wield influence in the community. So we see political leaders giving plum posts to imams of mosques and trying to woo them before elections. The other side is the hindu right which portrays muslims as the aggressors in every conflict and having dubious loyalties. How long will an indian muslim remain patriotic when he is demonised as a traitor? The clergy and the elite kill the idea of social upliftment of backward muslims and instead want quotas to be religion based, so that the elite muslim would be the primary beneficiary while the pasmanda muslim will sacrifice their rights to save Islam. Identity based politics is the bane of India, where if you belong to a certain caste or religion, then your political allegiance must lie with a particular party. So when one party is in power, the others who did not have allegiance to it get disenfranchised, creating more fault lines. It shouldn't have come to this hindu muslim dichotomy..because a hindu farmers needs are not different from a muslim farmer, who has more in common with the hindu farmer than the muslim elite.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So you don’t want to support Millions of Muslims? Only certain people get supported?what is the criteria? Sunnis only ?

Having enough space and infrastructure to support millions of immigrants. In any case it is your suggestion and no need for Pakistan to make empty gestures just because India did.

 

[Varun]

Enlighten me then.

Top 3 aspects of each religion since you limp from one religion to another.

Go!

Am I that jobless to list down 21 or 27 bullet points when I can head down to the pub on a Saturday night? Get a life.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Am I that jobless to list down 21 or 27 bullet points when I can head down to the pub on a Saturday night? Get a life.

Do they have pubs in India? Do they have similar themed names like they do in England, like The Stag's Head or The King's Arms? I could think of some great ones for Indian pubs. The Queen's Munshee....The Spitting Bucket...

 

[Varun]

Do they have pubs in India? Do they have similar themed names like they do in England, like The Stag's Head or The King's Arms? I could think of some great ones for Indian pubs. The Queen's Munshee....The Spitting Bucket...

Much to your chagrin and my liver's, Bangalore is called the pub capital of Asia.

I may or may not be in one right now. Is it allowed for you to quote me when I'm indulging in 'forbidden' alcohol? Think about it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Much to your chagrin and my liver's, Bangalore is called the pub capital of Asia.

I may or may not be in one right now. Is it allowed for you to quote me when I'm indulging in 'forbidden' alcohol? Think about it.

You must think all Muslims have long beards and wear namaz topis. How cute. Either they all look like that in India or you must live in separate neighbourhoods. Anyway it is always good to see someone who displays so much chagrin at *shudder* British Pakistanis extolling the virtues of the great British institutions in India.

 

[Varun]

You must think all Muslims have long beards and wear namaz topis. How cute. Either they all look like that in India or you must live in separate neighbourhoods. Anyway it is always good to see someone who displays so much chagrin at *shudder* British Pakistanis extolling the virtues of the great British institutions in India.

Does an opinion of a measly Internet poster matter so much to you that you have to bring this up at every turn and corner? I stated the above once months ago and you have quoted this at least five times since, no doubt baking and stewing all the time in between.

Take a chill pill. I'm a nobody in the larger scheme of things and it doesn't matter what I think.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Does an opinion of a measly Internet poster matter so much to you that you have to bring this up at every turn and corner? I stated the above once months ago and you have quoted this at least five times since, no doubt baking and stewing all the time in between.

Take a chill pill. I'm a nobody in the larger scheme of things and it doesn't matter what I think.

You are right, it doesn't matter so I'll carry on if it's ok with you.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Am I that jobless to list down 21 or 27 bullet points when I can head down to the pub on a Saturday night? Get a life.

So you don't have it. Your type are so easy to bust. After all anyone who claims to love Islam because of food needs help any way.

 

[Varun]

So you don't have it. Your type are so easy to bust. After all anyone who claims to love Islam because of food needs help any way.

Stop being modest, the food rocks our socks and you know it! My favourite pick: the good old Haleem!

We have a place called 'Pista House' that nails it every Ramadan, and is arguably a city favourite. If I need help, it's to get in and stay at the front of the queue every evening during that time of the year.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Stop being modest, the food rocks our socks and you know it! My favourite pick: the good old Haleem!

We have a place called 'Pista House' that nails it every Ramadan, and is arguably a city favourite. If I need help, it's to get in and stay at the front of the queue every evening during that time of the year.

Yeah yeah. Nice story. You don't have time to substantiate your fake views but have time to fan nonsense.

You are right, get a life.

 

[Varun]

Yeah yeah. Nice story. You don't have time to substantiate your fake views but have time to fan nonsense.

You are right, get a life.

I don't need to get a life, I'm livin' the life. How many people can claim they are sipping vodka and cranberry juice as I type, but come same time next month will be diving into delicious finger lickin' haleem?

Meanwhile, how's your weekend night coming along?

 

[R3verse Swing]

I don't need to get a life, I'm livin' the life. How many people can claim they are sipping vodka and cranberry juice as I type, but come same time next month will be diving into delicious finger lickin' haleem?

Meanwhile, how's your weekend night coming along?

Yup the life of an atheist.

 

[Saeed]

Looks like the country is becoming more and more divisive.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cancelled <a href="https://twitter.com/Olacabs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Olacabs</a> Booking because Driver was Muslim. I don't want to give my money to Jihadi People. <a href="https://t.co/1IIf4LlTZL">pic.twitter.com/1IIf4LlTZL</a></p>— Abhishek Mishra (@Abhishek_Mshra) <a href="https://twitter.com/Abhishek_Mshra/status/987275672543358976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Looks like the country is becoming more and more divisive.

Looks like driving a cab has also become a jihadi activity in India.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Looks like driving a cab has also become a jihadi activity in India.

I know this guy. He is from Lucknow and did it in response to an event few days ago where a girl was lauded for refusing a cab which had hindu symbolisms. It is open hindu muslim season these days, and will get uglier and heated up till the elections.

 

[Hitman]

Looks like the country is becoming more and more divisive.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cancelled <a href="https://twitter.com/Olacabs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Olacabs</a> Booking because Driver was Muslim. I don't want to give my money to Jihadi People. <a href="https://t.co/1IIf4LlTZL">pic.twitter.com/1IIf4LlTZL</a></p>— Abhishek Mishra (@Abhishek_Mshra) <a href="https://twitter.com/Abhishek_Mshra/status/987275672543358976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's people like him who are a curse to my country.

 

[rhony]

Been reading this thread and there are some very interesting viewpoints. One thing that's surprising is not many Indian Muslims are on this thread supporting or negating any point of view. I guess they don't care about people talking about them or the posts here are so inaccurate that people don't bother to respond.

This is a disclaimer that I've not known many Indian Muslims per se but based on what I read or watched, Indian Muslims and Hindus typically are segregated in neighborhoods in the same city. This could be because of religion but it could also be to make it count in elections without diluting their vote. They live and lead peaceful lives in their own cocoons and accept India as their own country. Religion still comes number 1 above country for Muslims and a constant need to prove their loyalty to country irks them. This is for lower and middle class Muslims. The rich are unburdened with this and can live happily anywhere. One thing that's surprising to me is the lack of a major Muslim national political party. That tells me that the Ummah concept is non existent in India and they care more about their regional everyday issues like education, employment, security and welfare.

 

[Realromeo]

Been reading this thread and there are some very interesting viewpoints. One thing that's surprising is not many Indian Muslims are on this thread supporting or negating any point of view. I guess they don't care about people talking about them or the posts here are so inaccurate that people don't bother to respond.

This is a disclaimer that I've not known many Indian Muslims per se but based on what I read or watched, Indian Muslims and Hindus typically are segregated in neighborhoods in the same city. This could be because of religion but it could also be to make it count in elections without diluting their vote. They live and lead peaceful lives in their own cocoons and accept India as their own country. Religion still comes number 1 above country for Muslims and a constant need to prove their loyalty to country irks them. This is for lower and middle class Muslims. The rich are unburdened with this and can live happily anywhere. One thing that's surprising to me is the lack of a major Muslim national political party. That tells me that the Ummah concept is non existent in India and they care more about their regional everyday issues like education, employment, security and welfare.

Indian muslims population is 15%, so on average you are likely to get 1 out of 10 posters being an Indian muslim. Also Muslim population in India vary, some speak Urdu, some speak Sindhi and vast majority speak native language of their state. Urdu speaking Muslims and Native linguistic muslims don't see themselves as one. The native speaking muslims still have native cultural practices, they tend to watch native language movies, soap operas and listen to native songs. While Urdu speaking Muslims (until recently) would watch Bollywood movies and don't really care about the cultural practices of native state. Basically the Urdu speaking Muslims see them as separate while native speaking Muslims really don't.

Most native speaking Muslims don't really care much about Palestine or Kashmir for the most part. Native speaking Muslims for example don't really mind if we give sweet for Diwali or Christmas, they'll take it and eat it but Urdu speaking Muslims maintain some distance.

 

[PakLFC]

Relax, Indian Muslims are Indians and it's gonna stay that way. When Pak was formed our ancestors knew it was simply not plausible for every Muslim then to relocate to the new country. Within these 200 million people there are thousands of views from chronic Pak haters, to neutral views and Pak lovers as well. In the current scenario it would be criminal for Indian Muslim's to openly support Pakistan, the best option to survive is for them to join the anti-Pakistan clubs in India. The Indian Muslims I have met in the UAE are very normal people although I felt there was no doubt an invisible line between us.