Indian openers destroy Pakistan's bowling as they romp to nine-wicket win in the Asia Cup

[Abdullah719]

Indian openers Rohit Sharma and Shikhar Dhawan on Sunday both scored centuries and produced a batting master class to hand another lop-sided defeat to Pakistan in their Asia Cup 2018 Super Four match at the Dubai International Cricket Stadium.

 

[Mueez]

Reality check.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

A proper old school phainta. Indians can be proud of it.

That said, so many pacers and we dropping way too many catches.

Final me dekh len ge in ko

 

[Bewal Express]

The gap in quality is huge but if we reach the final then its a new game. Batting is too reliant on Fakhar, if he doesnt score, we dont get more than 250.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The gap in quality is huge but if we reach the final then its a new game. Batting is too reliant on Fakhar, if he doesnt score, we dont get more than 250.

He's been like a headless chicken vs India and Afghanistan.

In this game he was okayish.

Hopefully he'll bat with a purpose and plan in the final

 

[Canford Cliffs]

I really want to be happy with this win...but by mistake tuned into Sky sports where they are showing 4th test highlights between Ind and Eng. Sunk my heart again

 

[Bewal Express]

He's been like a headless chicken vs India and Afghanistan.

In this game he was okayish.

Hopefully he'll bat with a purpose and plan in the final

But thats going to happen. His technique is flaky to say the least but we know that he is the only player that has the X factor in a team with very average players.

 

[BaankeJi]

This is the biggest victory for India against Pakistan in terms of wickets.

Last one was biggest in terms of number of overs left.

India are rewriting history everyday.

 

[ManFan]

Australia after one loss to SA at home got rid of Voges (averaged Bradman-like numbers) and the last remains of the golden oldies.

They introduced fresh players who immediately made an impact and led them to success until the ball-tampering scandal.

But for Pakistan to drop a player like Voges who averaged 60+ but was 30+, it would be the end of Pakistan cricket itself.

 

[Pete Rose]

He's been like a headless chicken vs India and Afghanistan.

In this game he was okayish.

Hopefully he'll bat with a purpose and plan in the final

I think he was better than ok today. He gutsed it out against pacers since and was looking to cash in against the spinners. But yes his headspace is shot in the sense he doesn’t want to fight for himself in both games where opted to forego the drs

 

[Mamoon]

Australia after one loss to SA at home got rid of Voges (averaged Bradman-like numbers) and the last remains of the golden oldies.

They introduced fresh players who immediately made an impact and led them to success until the ball-tampering scandal.

But for Pakistan to drop a player like Voges who averaged 60+ but was 30+, it would be the end of Pakistan cricket itself.

The fresh players of today will be the TTFs of tomorrow. That is the sad reality of Pakistan cricket - we simply don’t have the quality to beat top teams frequently.

Every TTF was once a young player with potential to whom a few people pinned their hopes. Our U-19 team were beaten into a pulp by the Indian U-19 team for a reason. As fans, we need to accept our mediocrity. Whatever the management and the selectors do is their headache.

 

[BaankeJi]

The fresh players of today will be the TTFs of tomorrow. That is the sad reality of Pakistan cricket - we simply don’t have the quality to beat top teams frequently.

Every TTF was once a young player with potential to whom a few people pinned their hopes. Our U-19 team were beaten into a pulp by the Indian U-19 team for a reason. As fans, we need to accept our mediocrity. Whatever the management and the selectors do is their headache.

There is a shloka in Sanskrit that means:
"Speak the truth that is good to hear. Don't speak a truth that is bad to hear."

Of course, you need to decide when and where but this forum seems to be the right place to abide by above Sanskrit shloka.
If you think a truth is going to hurt many and is not going to make any difference, then why say it?

Again I have no idea how Pakistani domestic talent looks like. The above is specific only for a person's pov.

 

[TeamPak95]

Man... talk about a complete and utter beat down. Hope Pak can bring their A game in the finals (assuming they make it and face Ind).

 

[ManFan]

The fresh players of today will be the TTFs of tomorrow. That is the sad reality of Pakistan cricket - we simply don’t have the quality to beat top teams frequently.

Every TTF was once a young player with potential to whom a few people pinned their hopes. Our U-19 team were beaten into a pulp by the Indian U-19 team for a reason. As fans, we need to accept our mediocrity. Whatever the management and the selectors do is their headache.

I disagree.

We finally have a coach who prioritizes fitness and is not afraid to rest players who are not performing.

If new players are bled in, they will finally be in an environment that can do them good. Even if they lose form later on, they will not develop the “senior” mentality that has haunted Pakistan cricket since its inception.

Rotting away in domestic cricket will do them no good.

 

[Pete Rose]

You have to be your biggest fan.

 

[kingusama92]

Final me dekh len ge in ko

Hopefully not from home.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It is shocking given India is capable of putting a way better XI than what they have sent to the Asia Cup. We were expecting Pakistan to thrash and expose this Indian team and help us get rid off Dhoni, Thakur, Rayudu, Jadhav etc. Good to win against Pakistan but I see these wins hurting India in the longer run.

Rahul, Shami, Khalil, Pant, Shaw, Gill all these guys need to be in the side by the World Cup.

 

[the_outsider]

It is shocking given India is capable of putting a way better XI than what they have sent to the Asia Cup. We were expecting Pakistan to thrash and expose this Indian team and help us get rid off Dhoni, Thakur, Rayudu, Jadhav etc. Good to win against Pakistan but I see these wins hurting India in the longer run.

Rahul, Shami, Khalil, Pant, Shaw, Gill all these guys need to be in the side by the World Cup.

Bhaijaan, Shaw and Gill have no place in the ODI setup right now. They are opening bats and we already have that sorted and even have a backup in KL Rahul.

I hope Shaw gets his test cap against WI and is tried in Aus, though.

Ideally, Pant should have been in the ODI squad but I think there's no point in talking about that anymore since it's clear that Dhoni will play the WC. Still, I would much rather have Pant than DK as the backup keeper in our WC squad.

 

[dhurandharj]

Pant is a very average wicket keeper. Hopefully he can improve upon the same.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Bhaijaan, Shaw and Gill have no place in the ODI setup right now. They are opening bats and we already have that sorted and even have a backup in KL Rahul.

I hope Shaw gets his test cap against WI and is tried in Aus, though.

Ideally, Pant should have been in the ODI squad but I think there's no point in talking about that anymore since it's clear that Dhoni will play the WC. Still, I would much rather have Pant than DK as the backup keeper in our WC squad.

Shaw and Gill can eventually replace Rohit and Dhawan at the top. This is ODI cricket and we need good, dynamic players and and good batsmen should bat anywhere from 1 to 5. They are most likely already better than the likes of DK,Rayudu and Jadhav and ,if not , have a much higher ceiling and are younger.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Come on , Pant can play purely as a batsman, I mean we are playing Raydu and DK as a pure batsman.
We should play Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli, Rahul/Shaw/Gill, Pant , Dhoni(he is not going anywhere), Hardik and 4 bowlers for future odi series

 

[the_outsider]

Shaw and Gill can eventually replace Rohit and Dhawan at the top. This is ODI cricket and we need good, dynamic players and and good batsmen should bat anywhere from 1 to 5. They are most likely already better than the likes of DK,Rayudu and Jadhav and ,if not , have a much higher ceiling and are younger.

Yes but we can't ask 20 years old debutants to change their game in 8 months and become a reliable middle/lower order bats in just 8 months before a big WC.

We need role-specific batsmen. That's why the likes of Rayadu and Manish Pandey are being tried again. Because they are life-long middle order batsmen.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This was a ruthless performance by this Indian team. Most of our players have not played here before still they have performed well in this series.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yes but we can't ask 20 years old debutants to change their game in 8 months and become a reliable middle/lower order bats in just 8 months before a big WC.

We need role-specific batsmen. That's why the likes of Rayadu and Manish Pandey are being tried again. Because they are life-long middle order batsmen.

If we are still talking about role specific batsmen in 2018, then we are severely outdated and the way we are developing our batsmen is flawed. Our top 5 should be able to bat anywhere from 1 to 5 and if our List A isn't doing it, better to select 20 year olds who can learn on the job. Look at England for example. Im sure even Buttler can do a good job opening if necessary and he bats lower actually. Middle overs doesn't not mean that you slow the scoring rate to 70 SR and ruin the momentum like how DK, Rayudu and the current dhoni does. Still need to score at a fair clip.

 

[Braveheart]

The gap in quality is huge but if we reach the final then its a new game. Batting is too reliant on Fakhar, if he doesnt score, we dont get more than 250.

No doubt, the Indian bandwagon including Media, Ex-players and aged Superstars will be cranking up the rhetoric, the Indian players will get wrapped up in the hype and capitulate, we'll go on to win the final, all will be forgotten and the 'papering' of the large cracks will be complete.
We have been over-achieving for years. That's Pakistan Cricket for you folks.

 

[the_outsider]

If we are still talking about role specific batsmen in 2018, then we are severely outdated and the way we are developing our batsmen is flawed. Our top 5 should be able to bat anywhere from 1 to 5 and if our List A isn't doing it, better to select 20 year olds who can learn on the job. Look at England for example. Im sure even Buttler can do a good job opening if necessary and he bats lower actually. Middle overs doesn't not mean that you slow the scoring rate to 70 SR and ruin the momentum like how DK, Rayudu and the current dhoni does. Still need to score at a fair clip.

I agree about being adaptable and scoring at a good clip.

I'm sure that in 2 years the likes of Shaw and Gill can bat anywhere in the lineup and adapt their game.

All I am saying is that asking 20-year-olds, with minimum experience to do that with just 8 months left for the WC is a huge ask and a big gamble.

It will not only harm our WC chances but might severely hamper the careers of these youngsters. And we definitely don't want that.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

This was a ruthless performance by this Indian team. Most of our players have not played here before still they have performed well in this series.

'No journey at all' played a vital role in that well performance

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Hopefully not from home.

It's a probability and at this rate BD might thrash us.

Let's see tho. I expect Pak to life the Asia cup tho.

:

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I agree about being adaptable and scoring at a good clip.

I'm sure that in 2 years the likes of Shaw and Gill can bat anywhere in the lineup and adapt their game.

All I am saying is that asking 20-year-olds, with minimum experience to do that with just 8 months left for the WC is a huge ask and a big gamble.

It will not only harm our WC chances but might severely hamper the careers of these youngsters. And we definitely don't want that.

Fair enough.

 

[Joginder_Sharma]

This was a ruthless performance by this Indian team. Most of our players have not played here before still they have performed well in this series.

Thanks to the IPL, our players played here before

 

[RamLakhan]

The commentators don't even talk about Kohli (they seem to have not missed him!) Such dominance shown by India with this messed up team! This goes to show the strength of the openers (one of the all time best) and also the brilliance of bowlers (Bumrah is on the way to become proper ATG & the best Indian fast bowler ever!)

 

[Bewal Express]

No doubt, the Indian bandwagon including Media, Ex-players and aged Superstars will be cranking up the rhetoric, the Indian players will get wrapped up in the hype and capitulate, we'll go on to win the final, all will be forgotten and the 'papering' of the large cracks will be complete.
We have been over-achieving for years. That's Pakistan Cricket for you folks.

I hope you are right. As i said its a new game and anything can happen.

 

[rhony]

The commentators don't even talk about Kohli (they seem to have not missed him!) Such dominance shown by India with this messed up team! This goes to show the strength of the openers (one of the all time best) and also the brilliance of bowlers (Bumrah is on the way to become proper ATG & the best Indian fast bowler ever!)

I believe there is a big coterie within Indian circles in the back ground. Kohli is obviously a power house on his own but Dhoni still has a lot of influence through someone. He has his spot, he got Rayudu in, he got jadeja in, shardul was in. It is a messed up team masquerading as a world beater because of 4 players who carry the rest of the team.

 

[rhony]

If we are still talking about role specific batsmen in 2018, then we are severely outdated and the way we are developing our batsmen is flawed. Our top 5 should be able to bat anywhere from 1 to 5 and if our List A isn't doing it, better to select 20 year olds who can learn on the job. Look at England for example. Im sure even Buttler can do a good job opening if necessary and he bats lower actually. Middle overs doesn't not mean that you slow the scoring rate to 70 SR and ruin the momentum like how DK, Rayudu and the current dhoni does. Still need to score at a fair clip.

Forget Rayudu and DK for a sec. Rahul has been pegged as a backup opener and will not be tried as a middle order bat. All that talent and stroke play is not considered valuable because they think he can't adapt.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I believe there is a big coterie within Indian circles in the back ground. Kohli is obviously a power house on his own but Dhoni still has a lot of influence through someone. He has his spot, he got Rayudu in, he got jadeja in, shardul was in. It is a messed up team masquerading as a world beater because of 4 players who carry the rest of the team.

Forget Rayudu and DK for a sec. Rahul has been pegged as a backup opener and will not be tried as a middle order bat. All that talent and stroke play is not considered valuable because they think he can't adapt.

Agree with both posts.

 

[Yoddha]

Final me 10 wkts loss coming ... But first qualify for it

 

[Yoddha]

How fans still watch n expect anything from this team is the 9th wonder of this world.
Edit : i feel for them n would like india to throw it away a bit, make it a closer contest n then win.

 

[RamLakhan]

Forget Rayudu and DK for a sec. Rahul has been pegged as a backup opener and will not be tried as a middle order bat. All that talent and stroke play is not considered valuable because they think he can't adapt.

I don't mind that... See it is affecting Rahul's opening in tests. He should definitely be viewed as backup opener or at the most No.3 (When one of Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli is injured!) which is not such a bad thing (You will get that chance in a long series with odd matches OR you may get a full series if someone is long injured!) I think in this current Asia Cup he could have definitely batted at No.3 and made a good impact (with Kohli not around) Then teams would have got an additional hurdle in the Indian lineup (I think the team Pak/Ban in the finals will make huge preparations to break Rohit/Dhawan partnership!) But I also see that Rahul has issues with fitness (I mean injury, not the gym fitness!) when he is made to play back to back matches in this heat!

I still have the hope that Rahul will sort out his place in the squad by the time world cup arises (He should grow to a stature of replacing Rohit as opener and force Rohit to bat at No.4! That's a mammoth task as Rohit is in the peak of his form now! For that to happen Rahul should develop a lot more consistency! Once he gets that he can score more briskly like Dhawan compared to Rohit! I see somewhere down the line in next 2-3 years at least Rohit to regress and may bat down the order, so Rahul should be around till then! He should concentrate on at least cementing his opening spot in Tests! That will automatically give him confidence for LOIs!)

 

[Ab Fan]

Pak vs Ban will be interesting.

 

[rhony]

I don't mind that... See it is affecting Rahul's opening in tests. He should definitely be viewed as backup opener or at the most No.3 (When one of Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli is injured!) which is not such a bad thing (You will get that chance in a long series with odd matches OR you may get a full series if someone is long injured!) I think in this current Asia Cup he could have definitely batted at No.3 and made a good impact (with Kohli not around) Then teams would have got an additional hurdle in the Indian lineup (I think the team Pak/Ban in the finals will make huge preparations to break Rohit/Dhawan partnership!) But I also see that Rahul has issues with fitness (I mean injury, not the gym fitness!) when he is made to play back to back matches in this heat!

I still have the hope that Rahul will sort out his place in the squad by the time world cup arises (He should grow to a stature of replacing Rohit as opener and force Rohit to bat at No.4! That's a mammoth task as Rohit is in the peak of his form now! For that to happen Rahul should develop a lot more consistency! Once he gets that he can score more briskly like Dhawan compared to Rohit! I see somewhere down the line in next 2-3 years at least Rohit to regress and may bat down the order, so Rahul should be around till then! He should concentrate on at least cementing his opening spot in Tests! That will automatically give him confidence for LOIs!)

Good points. Im baffled how Rayudu is considered a better bat than Rahul

 

[szundercover]

I think pak will win easily against Bangladesh.

 

[rhony]

Afghans got this!!! They've been the second best team this tournament