Indian Premier League | Day 12 | Rajkot | Apr 21, 2016 | Match thread

[rhony]

Yep Mustafizur was unlucky because the batsmen were beaten by his cutters and didn't Nick it. That's the most absurd comment I've heard all day. Again, I'm not discounting his prowess to contain the runs. He is a good death bowler and that's all there is. In T20s, economy rate is very important and he is playing a crucial role no doubt. But, he's not picking wickets for fun like some people claimed on this forum. His cutters were deadly at the beginning of his career and the effectiveness has tapered off. The stats are there to see. Raina played him comfortably today and Jadeja is a tailender and played like one. Indians in general have been playing him well this year because they are reading him. Fizz is useless at the top of the order because he can't swing it and also his cutters won't grip. He can be effective in the middle overs if the pitch is slow. He is good at death because he can pick up a few cheap wickets when batsmen are going after him. He should be compared to Bravo who plays a similar role and not to Starc or Amir because they are lethal at the top of the innings. Anyway, enough discussion on this as I'm already tired. I've been on record multiple times and was proven right that wickets will be hard to come by for him once batsmen read him. You will see a slow decline in his effectiveness unless he can swing the ball or bring the ball back into the batsmen. Or else you'll just be counting the number of times he picks up tailenders like Jadeja and nothing else.

 

[JaDed]

Bravo has been so shabby today, good Dhawan is getting time in the middle.

 

[JaDed]

Lol the top team thrashed by 10 wicket pathetic by GL.

 

[Executioner]

Yep Mustafizur was unlucky because the batsmen were beaten by his cutters and didn't Nick it. That's the most absurd comment I've heard all day. Again, I'm not discounting his prowess to contain the runs. He is a good death bowler and that's all there is. In T20s, economy rate is very important and he is playing a crucial role no doubt. But, he's not picking wickets for fun like some people claimed on this forum. His cutters were deadly at the beginning of his career and the effectiveness has tapered off. The stats are there to see. Raina played him comfortably today and Jadeja is a tailender and played like one. Indians in general have been playing him well this year because they are reading him. Fizz is useless at the top of the order because he can't swing it and also his cutters won't grip. He can be effective in the middle overs if the pitch is slow. He is good at death because he can pick up a few cheap wickets when batsmen are going after him. He should be compared to Bravo who plays a similar role and not to Starc or Amir because they are lethal at the top of the innings. Anyway, enough discussion on this as I'm already tired. I've been on record multiple times and was proven right that wickets will be hard to come by for him once batsmen read him. You will see a slow decline in his effectiveness unless he can swing the ball or bring the ball back into the batsmen. Or else you'll just be counting the number of times he picks up tailenders like Jadeja and nothing else.

the wickets he too in the IPL are of:

ABDV
Watson
Russel
Hardik pandya
Jadeja

yes, barring Jadeja all are tail enders

 

[Executioner]

Also funny how you "claim" you are right when there isnt anyone backing your opinion, when the rest of the spectators are going gaga over Mustafiz, be it Indians here, the comms, team-mates

 

[Hasan123]

Warner nd sunriseres fighting back in this tournament

 

[Prince_]

You do realize that the reason why Mustafiz isn't getting too many wickets is because batsman are trying not to open up against him? These are not minefields where any bowler can bag 3-fers 4-fers with conventional bowling.

About him getting wickets only when batsman attack him. Well isn't that the case with all bowlers bowling in the middle and death overs? And some of his dismissals were from yorkers where the batsman couldn't even put bat on ball.

Also, Jadeja and Raina have played plenty of Mustafiz, yet they couldn't do much about Mustafiz.

And as far as his roles are concerned, he has a different role for SRH as opposed to BD team. We have some decent death bowling options like Al Amin, Taskin and Shakib. SRH has only Bhuvi to partner him, ofcourse Mustafiz will have to do the bulk of the bowling in the death. If you are bowling in the death and giving away less than 6 runs an over then you are winning more matches than a random bowler who takes two-three wickets in the death but gives away 20-30 runs.

You play according to the match situation and what your pre-defined role is.

So in his 4 matches he has the folllowing stats

26-2 in 4 overs when the opposition socred 229
28-1 in 4 overs, not a great performances, didn't get support either from the batsman
32-1 in 4 overs, a good number of the runs came from misfields. Regardless, went for 10 runs in his last 2 overs.
19-1 in 4 overs, 3 overs were bowled in the death and 1 in the middle of the powerplay with Baz and Raina.

However, if you put on your hatred glasses you will try to scrutinize him.

Even if he takes 4 wickets but gives away 35 runs you will say the exact opposite: He took wickets but gave away lot of runs, hence his spell was useless.

A perfect knockout punch. Excellent post

 

[rhony]

the wickets he too in the IPL are of:

ABDV
Watson
Russel
Hardik pandya
Jadeja

yes, barring Jadeja all are tail enders

Like I said, sloggers or tailenders. Do you ever read the complete post? Pandya and Russell played all around the full balls and the rest were trying to slog. There wasn't a single wicker so far that even remotely resembled how he picked up wickets last year - Batsmen looking like fools with the bat hanging in the air and lofting it to covers or mid wicket.

Its your fault that you set a bar too high for a newbie after a couple of good performances. You've set yourself for ridicule when you claimed that he's the best ever or whatever. Bravo is a very high bar and Mustaifiz should pick up additional skills to be as successful as Bravo in LOIs.

 

[rhony]

Also funny how you "claim" you are right when there isnt anyone backing your opinion, when the rest of the spectators are going gaga over Mustafiz, be it Indians here, the comms, team-mates

I don't need anyone's support to back my claims. The results are for every one to see. 8-0-72-2 against Indians after his exploits last year. Even the mode of dismissals in IPL this year are as I predicted.

 

[Executioner]

I don't need anyone's support to back my claims. The results are for every one to see. 8-0-72-2 against Indians after his exploits last year. Even the mode of dismissals in IPL this year are as I predicted.

Okay exceptional prediction

But did your prediction had anything like having an ER rate of less 7 in the subcontinent condition for a pace bowler who is bowling predominantly at the death and a few overs in the powerplay. Also, you keep bringing up the 8-0-72-2 all the time. He had one, i repeat one bad bowling spell in his international career so far after coming back from a side injury.

The only issue is, in your opinion you think opposition batsman are playing him with "utmost" ease. Raina was playing Mustafiz so comfortably that he could muster only boundary against Fizz that too where he mishit it but Warner let it go through him. Even kohli didn't find it easy to score against the Fizz despite playing him several times. The only one who played him comfortably was Gambhir who never, never faced him before. So Raina, Kohli, Jadeja all who has played so much of him hasn't done much against but Gambhir can?

If you want to make a proper claim, you need to come up with more examples than that one off bad match against India. You are just sounding like a blind hater who prays all day hoping that Mustafiz will underperform one day. I will commend you on your patience. This obsession is simialar to as what [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] says as Wahabism, that one spell against Aus in the QF where he didn't even take Watson's wicket and he became a legend in people's eye. The same way he bowled that one bad spell against India after an injury and all of a sudden people like you paint him as a mediocre cricketer

After that match he has played 5 internationals

1st against UAE where he was unplayable. Had figures of 2-14 in 4 overs if I am correct
2nd against SL, he took crucial wickets and was frugal. We won a match scoring only 140ish.
3rd against Australia, 34-2, considering the short boundaries of chinnaswamy it was a good performance
4th against India, 30-2, same as before, bowled in death and PP on chinnaswamy.
5th against Pakistan, 5-20, what more I need to say?

 

[rhony]

Okay exceptional prediction

But did your prediction had anything like having an ER rate of less 7 in the subcontinent condition for a pace bowler who is bowling predominantly at the death and a few overs in the powerplay. Also, you keep bringing up the 8-0-72-2 all the time. He had one, i repeat one bad bowling spell in his international career so far after coming back from a side injury.

The only issue is, in your opinion you think opposition batsman are playing him with "utmost" ease. Raina was playing Mustafiz so comfortably that he could muster only boundary against Fizz that too where he mishit it but Warner let it go through him. Even kohli didn't find it easy to score against the Fizz despite playing him several times. The only one who played him comfortably was Gambhir who never, never faced him before. So Raina, Kohli, Jadeja all who has played so much of him hasn't done much against but Gambhir can?

If you want to make a proper claim, you need to come up with more examples than that one off bad match against India. You are just sounding like a blind hater who prays all day hoping that Mustafiz will underperform one day. I will commend you on your patience. This obsession is simialar to as what [MENTION=137677]Thivagar[/MENTION] says as Wahabism, that one spell against Aus in the QF where he didn't even take Watson's wicket and he became a legend in people's eye. The same way he bowled that one bad spell against India after an injury and all of a sudden people like you paint him as a mediocre cricketer

After that match he has played 5 internationals

1st against UAE where he was unplayable. Had figures of 2-14 in 4 overs if I am correct
2nd against SL, he took crucial wickets and was frugal. We won a match scoring only 140ish.
3rd against Australia, 34-2, considering the short boundaries of chinnaswamy it was a good performance
4th against India, 30-2, same as before, bowled in death and PP on chinnaswamy.
5th against Pakistan, 5-20, what more I need to say?

Did I ever say that his economy rate is bad? His economy rate is excellent but that doesn't make him a world beater. He is called ATG based on a couple of performances at the beginning of his career. What I'm pointing out is that his ability to pick wickets has decreased considering that he doesn't swing the ball. His biggest trick- the cutter is being negotiated easily. Batsmen might not hit him for many boundaries, but they won't give him their wicket either like they did against him last year. His cutter is not fooling anyone anymore. I reiterate that he is a good death bowler and is on his way to become the Bravo of the BD team.

 

[Executioner]

Who is reading his cutters? How can you even read his cutters?

It's all about not committing to the shot too early.