Ranji Trophy | Disussion Thread

[Sidilicious]

Which team is stronger? I know that the Indian Punjab Ranji team is pretty strong with players such as Jiwanjot Singh, Yuvi and some good bowlers.

How strong is the Pakistani Punjab Quad-e-azam team?

I believe the two boards should have an annual 4-day fixture between these 2 teams. Need to start encouraging and giving more exposure to these domestic players. Also, re-instate the Nissar Trophy.

 

[Sandeep]

I believe the Pakistan national team comprises of about 8-9 Punjab province players..

Indian Punjab has Harbhajan Singh as Captain.. They have few good upcoming talented players like Manan Vohra, Mandeep Singh though

Actually, Delhi vs Pakistan Punjab would be a good contest.. Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhawan, Unmukt Chand make up the top order...

 

[Saj]

There is no Punjab team as such in Pakistani cricket.

Although a vast majority of the current Pakistan squad is from Punjab.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes.It more like departmental teams.

 

[cricketerB94]

There is no Punjab team as such in Pakistani cricket.

Although a vast majority of the current Pakistan squad is from Punjab.

Shall we see a Punjab team in upcoming PTI league as it consists of four provincial teams?

 

[Sidilicious]

I believe the Pakistan national team comprises of about 8-9 Punjab province players..

Indian Punjab has Harbhajan Singh as Captain.. They have few good upcoming talented players like Manan Vohra, Mandeep Singh though

Actually, Delhi vs Pakistan Punjab would be a good contest.. Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhawan, Unmukt Chand make up the top order...

Pakistan Punjab might be stronger, but an Indian Punjab vs Pak Punjab will generate a lot more interest than a Delhi vs Pakinstan Punjab.

Also, it will be played in a very good spirit (I hope), since they speak the same language. Give both teams more exposure.

 

[Saj]

Many years ago Waqar Younis was discovered when UBL were playing the winners of the Indian first class season.

I think it would be good if the BCCI and PCB could re-start that too.

 

[Sidilicious]

There is no Punjab team as such in Pakistani cricket.

Although a vast majority of the current Pakistan squad is from Punjab.

Yeah, I just checked out the Quaid-e-Azam structure, and I found it quite odd.

IMHO, the reason Australia has good talent coming up all the time is because they have 5-6 First class teams, so only the really good ones get to play. Pakistan are in a similar situation and could do with only a few first class teams representing each state. Also playing for your state is more prestigious and part of your identity than just playing for a city, or a company/department.

India, due to having 28 states cannot have a 5-6 team first class structure. The one they do have Duleep Trophy (Zonal competitions) will never be taken that seriously as it does not generate pride.

Personally, UP winning the Ranji trophy is the most important cricket trophy for me outside the international matches. My friends from Mumbai would any day take the ranji trophy than the IPL win.

 

[Sidilicious]

Many years ago Waqar Younis was discovered when UBL were playing the winners of the Indian first class season.

I think it would be good if the BCCI and PCB could re-start that too.

I think you are talking about the Nissar Trophy. That started only in the mid 2000s and lasted for a few seasons.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Many years ago Waqar Younis was discovered when UBL were playing the winners of the Indian first class season.

I think it would be good if the BCCI and PCB could re-start that too.

There were U-19 tours as well during those days.

 

[Saj]

I think you are talking about the Nissar Trophy. That started only in the mid 2000s and lasted for a few seasons.

No I'm referring to what was known as the Wills Cup. I'm sure it was played in the late 1980s.

 

[sunnykhan]

There is no Punjab team as such in Pakistani cricket.

Although a vast majority of the current Pakistan squad is from Punjab.

Pentangular Cup? All provinces played each other? Punjab is the defending champion. Sadly it has been disbanded but it was a wonderful tourney.

 

[amax]

provincial team structure is not that feasible for Pakistan at the moment; Punjab and KPK will be too strong with occasional Karachi. Cricket got no grass root in Interior Sindh, Baluchistan, Gilgit Baltistan etc if regional based cricket is required than it is better to have multiple teams from different regions of Punjab and KPK

 

[Sidilicious]

provincial team structure is not that feasible for Pakistan at the moment; Punjab and KPK will be too strong with occasional Karachi. Cricket got no grass root in Interior Sindh Baluchistan Gilgit Baltistan etc if regional based cricket is required than it is better to divide Punjab and KPK into strong regions.

An upper and lower league system?

 

[Saj]

Pentangular Cup? All provinces played each other? Punjab is the defending champion. Sadly it has been disbanded but it was a wonderful tourney.

That's what I mean, its been disbanded.

 

[yadunoe]

Many years ago Waqar Younis was discovered when UBL were playing the winners of the Indian first class season.

I think it would be good if the BCCI and PCB could re-start that too.

ya I think we should increase these ties it will only help out both sides .

 

[Bhaijaan]

Indian Punjab team is just about decent.

 

[Sandeep]

Personally, UP winning the Ranji trophy is the most important cricket trophy for me outside the international matches. My friends from Mumbai would any day take the ranji trophy than the IPL win.

Agreed! I follow Indian first class very closely and I have to say we (Hyderabad) are very weak ATM! The last time we held a Ranji trophy was back in the 86-87 when I was not even born.. There have been no class batsmen after Azhar and Laxman (Rayudu isn't good at all)

 

[silent ischemia]

Lahore vs Delhi would be a great contest. Two historic cities that were the headquarters of the Mughal Empire and not far away from each other either.
Zindadilan e Lahore vs Dilliwale ..... Kon hain asli dil wale?

 

[sunnykhan]

provincial team structure is not that feasible for Pakistan at the moment; Punjab and KPK will be too strong with occasional Karachi. Cricket got no grass root in Interior Sindh, Baluchistan, Gilgit Baltistan etc if regional based cricket is required than it is better to have multiple teams from different regions of Punjab and KPK

Sindh has more Pentangular Cup Trophies than any other province. Punjab and KPK are below Sindh in terms of WIN.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Lahore vs Delhi would be a great contest. Two historic cities that were the headquarters of the Mughal Empire and not far away from each other either.
Zindadilan e Lahore vs Dilliwale ..... Kon hain asli dil wale?

I would want a place as historic and royale as Delhi to be playing against Yorkshire or something. Lahore doesn't stand up.

 

[justarslan]

Many years ago Waqar Younis was discovered when UBL were playing the winners of the Indian first class season.

I think it would be good if the BCCI and PCB could re-start that too.

Those matches were organized between winners of Ranji Trophy and Quaid-e-Azam Trophy and Waqar played in one of those matches.

 

[silent ischemia]

I would want a place as historic and royale as Delhi to be playing against Yorkshire or something. Lahore doesn't stand up.

What? You gotta be kidding me!

 

[amit]

Indian Punjab XI

Jiwanjot Singh
Gitansh Khera (w)
Manan Vohra
Yuvraj Singh
Taruwar Kohli
Mandeep Singh
Gurkeerat Singh Mann
Harbhajan Singh
Sandeep Sharma
Manpreet Gony
Siddharth Kaul

Anyone can post what a Pakistan Punjab XI will look like?

 

[silent ischemia]

Well unfair almost a Pak XI, anyways

Pak Punjab XI

Ahmed Shehzad
Muhammad Hafeez/Sami Aslam
Umar Akmal
Misbah
Maqsood
Harris Sohail
Saad Nasim/Hammad Azam
Wahab Riaz
Saeed Ajmal
Muhammad Irfan
Muhammad Talha/Zia ul Haq

 

[silent ischemia]

Those matches were organized between winners of Ranji Trophy and Quaid-e-Azam Trophy and Waqar played in one of those matches.

Nisar trophy.... Imran nazir led sui gas defeated sehwag led Delhi a few years back....

 

[sunnykhan]

I would want a place as historic and royale as Delhi to be playing against Yorkshire or something. Lahore doesn't stand up.

Yeah, Mughal and other emperors only ruled in Delhi. Lahore wasn't a part of their royal territory.

And cricket should be played while looking at the historical nature of cities?

Certainly, a troll post!

 

[Gujar]

Indian Punjab XI

Jiwanjot Singh
Gitansh Khera (w)
Manan Vohra
Yuvraj Singh
Taruwar Kohli
Mandeep Singh
Gurkeerat Singh Mann
Harbhajan Singh
Sandeep Sharma
Manpreet Gony
Siddharth Kaul

Anyone can post what a Pakistan Punjab XI will look like?

Ahmed Shehzad
Nasir Jamshed
Mohammed Hafeez
Umar Akmal
Misbah
Shoaib Malik
Kamran Akmal
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Irfan
Saeed Ajmal

Not all the names in that lineup are to everyone's taste (e.g. Kamran, Malik etc) but they're all Punjabi (Misbah is mixed) and have represented Pakistan. Amir is obviously banned but could be replaced by a dozen other Punjabi bowlers (Aizaz Cheema, Bhatti etc).

 

[IndianWillow]

I would want a place as historic and royale as Delhi to be playing against Yorkshire or something. Lahore doesn't stand up.

Where does history come in here? Do the matches appear evenly contested and mouth watering? - This should be the criterion. Jhansi and Gwalior have rich history but this team will be thoroughly whipped by many other town teams (without much history) in India.

 

[Noobosauras]

Ahmed Shehzad
Nasir Jamshed
Mohammed Hafeez
Umar Akmal
Misbah
Shoaib Malik
Kamran Akmal
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Irfan
Saeed Ajmal

Not all the names in that lineup are to everyone's taste (e.g. Kamran, Malik etc) but they're all Punjabi (Misbah is mixed) and have represented Pakistan. Amir is obviously banned but could be replaced by a dozen other Punjabi bowlers (Aizaz Cheema, Bhatti etc).

Isnt he still under ban? or is he playing domestic?

 

[amit]

If all punjabis can be added in the Indian Punjab team, we will have Dhoni, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhawan too in the Indian Punjabi team

The Indian Punjabi team becomes

Jiwanjot Singh
Shikhar Dhawan
Gautam Gambhir
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Manprit Juneja
MS Dhoni (w)
Rishi Dhawan
Harbhajan Singh
Manpreet Gony
Jasprit Bumrah

Strong enough to beat the current Pakistan team

 

[silent ischemia]

If all punjabis can be added in the Indian Punjab team, we will have Dhoni, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhawan too in the Indian Punjabi team

The Indian Punjabi team becomes

Jiwanjot Singh
Shikhar Dhawan
Gautam Gambhir
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Manprit Juneja
MS Dhoni (w)
Rishi Dhawan
Harbhajan Singh
Manpreet Gony
Jasprit Bumrah

Strong enough to beat the current Pakistan team

Only vk and ms are OK. The rest are crap.

 

[eradicator]

Dhoni is not a Punjabi. Kohli , Gambhir and Dhawan are , and obviously Yuvi and Bhajji.

 

[amit]

Dhoni is not a Punjabi. Kohli , Gambhir and Dhawan are , and obviously Yuvi and Bhajji.

replace him with bisla then. still a decent team with kohli, gambhir & dhawan

 

[hmushtaq]

replace him with bisla then. still a decent team with kohli, gambhir & dhawan

What about Ishant Sharma, no team is complete without him.

 

[lilFlip]

If all punjabis can be added in the Indian Punjab team, we will have Dhoni, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhawan too in the Indian Punjabi team

The Indian Punjabi team becomes

Jiwanjot Singh
Shikhar Dhawan
Gautam Gambhir
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Manprit Juneja
MS Dhoni (w)
Rishi Dhawan
Harbhajan Singh
Manpreet Gony
Jasprit Bumrah

Strong enough to beat the current Pakistan team

Any team can beat Pak team and Pak can beat any team

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If all punjabis can be added in the Indian Punjab team, we will have Dhoni, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhawan too in the Indian Punjabi team

The Indian Punjabi team becomes

Jiwanjot Singh
Shikhar Dhawan
Gautam Gambhir
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Manprit Juneja
MS Dhoni (w)
Rishi Dhawan
Harbhajan Singh
Manpreet Gony
Jasprit Bumrah

Strong enough to beat the current Pakistan team

Dhoni is south indian now Srini adopted him don't you know? Mind it.

 

[sardara_singh]

indian Punjab team will beat Pakistan team just like our kabaddi team does.

 

[Sidilicious]

If all punjabis can be added in the Indian Punjab team, we will have Dhoni, Gambhir, Kohli, Dhawan too in the Indian Punjabi team

No they can't. This is meant to be a first class match between to two provinces, so only those playing for the Punjab State in Ranji can qualify.

As for Pakistan, only those playing for cities in Punjab Province qualify. For example, Players playing for teams such as Lahore, Rawalpindi qualify. You could be from Karachi, and as long as you played last season for a Punjab team, you qualify. If you play for Khan Research, or Karachi even if you are a Punjabi you cannot qualify.

This is not a fantasy match, and should not be based on ethnicity. It should be based on your current team.

 

[lilFlip]

indian Punjab team will beat Pakistan team just like our kabaddi team does.

Kabaddi results are too fluctuate for my liking

If tourney is held in India mittars win it easily and if its Lahore our pehlwans pwn 'em

 

[Sidilicious]

Kabaddi results are too fluctuate for my liking

If tourney is held in India mittars win it easily and if its Lahore our pehlwans pwn 'em

TBH with Kabaddi, India tends to win more often than not, whoever the organiser.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabaddi_at_the_Asian_Games

 

[srh]

Indian Punjab Team vs Pakistani Punjab Team

This will be a total mismatch. Nobody would want to see such a mismatch where Indian Punjab Team will get a crushing defeat.

 

[sardara_singh]

Kabaddi results are too fluctuate for my liking

If tourney is held in India mittars win it easily and if its Lahore our pehlwans pwn 'em

you won just once in a close match at Lahore which you could have lost too but the refree cheated in your favour. other than that I don't recall you ever wining against us..there is more chance of you beating us in cricket than kabaddi. Punjabi ranji team is just decent but I can bet on them being more courageous and less prone to failing in pressure of the game

 

[sunnykhan]

you won just once in a close match at Lahore which you could have lost too but the refree cheated in your favour. other than that I don't recall you ever wining against us..there is more chance of you beating us in cricket than kabaddi. Punjabi ranji team is just decent but I can bet on them being more courageous and less prone to failing in pressure of the game

We know how cheats were the judges when Kadabbi WC was held in India. I watched the close match at Lahore. India was loosing and were behind the points and suddenly started crying of cheating only few mins away from the ending time.

Are we having a FC match for both the teams or List A? In both formats, Pakistan's Punjab team is too strong for Indian Punjab Team.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Kabaddi results are too fluctuate for my liking

If tourney is held in India mittars win it easily and if its Lahore our pehlwans pwn 'em

ironic now.

 

[MenInG]

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bizarre scenes as two Bihar teams turn up for Mumbai Ranji Trophy match; start delayed due to heated exchanges, scuffle

The team that had reached the ground first was picked by the BCA president Rakesh Tiwary, while the other team was chosen by secretary Amit Kumar

A bizarre scene unfolded at the Moin-ul-Haq Stadium in Patna, which has much been in talks over the last few days over its poor infrastructure, on Friday as two teams claiming to be the Ranji Trophy squad of Bihar, turned up for the match against Mumbai. The confusion subsequently led to a delayed start to the game after heated exchanges and a scuffle between the officials of the Bihar Cricket Association (BCA), which required intervention from the local police. The match eventually began around 1 pm.

The team that had reached the ground first was picked by the BCA president Rakesh Tiwary, and it was the side that eventually played the game on Friday, while secretary Amit Kumar chose the other team. Not a single cricketer was named in both the squads.

Speaking to the Indian Express, Tiwary said his side has been picked on merit before revealing that the secretary has been suspended. He said: “We have picked the team on merit and that is the right team. You see the talent that is coming from Bihar. We have a cricketer (Sakib Hussain), who is picked in the IPL. We have a 12-year-old prodigy making his debut in the game. The other is being picked by the secretary who is suspended, so it can’t be the real team."

In response, Kumar, having countered the suspension claim, questioned whether it is the BCCI president who selects the Indian team, reminding that a board release always has the signature of Secretary Jay Shah at the end.

“First things first: I won the election, and I am an official secretary of the BCA. You can’t suspend a secretary. Secondly, how can a president select a team? Have you ever seen BCCI president Roger Binny announcing the squad? You will always see the signature of Secretary Jay Shah,” he said.



BCA later released a statement on Friday blaming suspended secretary Amit for the chaos, which included picking a fake team and attacking an official of the board. “There was a life-threatening attack on BCA’s OSD Manoj Kumar by those involved in the fake team. The miscreants have been identified and action will be taken against them,” the statement read.

Talking about the match, put to bat first, Mumbai finished the opening day with 235 for nine, where three batters - opener Bhupen Lalwani, Suved Parkar and Tanush Kotian - scored their respective fifties. Veer Pratap Singh was the pick of the bowlers for Bihar with his 4 for 32 while Sakibul Gani and Himanshu Singh picked two apiece. Veteran India batter Ajinkya Rahane, who was the main attraction at the venue among the fans, however, was benched for the match.
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