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Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav sought to create anarchy in Pakistan at Delhi's behest, ICJ told

An Indian roaming around in Baluchistan without an entry visa, is he there for lion safari?

There are countless ways that could have happened. I could sit here for 2 days coming up with scenarios. What was osama bin laden (a saudi arabian and on the most wanted terrorist list) doing in Pakistan living in a villa? Was he on a lion safari?

Seriously can't believe narrow minded people like yourself. Just because you can't think of why something happened that means it can't have happened is what people like you think.
 
There are countless ways that could have happened. I could sit here for 2 days coming up with scenarios. What was osama bin laden (a saudi arabian and on the most wanted terrorist list) doing in Pakistan living in a villa? Was he on a lion safari?

Seriously can't believe narrow minded people like yourself. Just because you can't think of why something happened that means it can't have happened is what people like you think.

He also happened to carry a fake passport while illegally present on enemy nation's territory. People have been sent to the gallows for much smaller crimes than this.
 
The fake passport could have been made at a later date. And I have already said I could sit here for days coming up with scenarios for how he happened to be in balochistan.

Seriously just because your mind can't conceive something doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

This is not a more difficult thing to do than the world's most wanted man living next to an army base in abbotabad in a bloody villa for years.

We need to be open minded and let justice take its course. I hope justice happens. If he is guilty then he should be punished according to the law of the land and if he isn't then he should be given his freedom
 
Anyone thinks the case in ICJ is to save Jadhav from hanging is kidding himself.He is likely dead already or in a very poor condition.The case is more about India sending the Pakistani narrative on Jadhav for a toss.ICJ has asked that India be granted consular access which Pakistan will not give. If past precedents are anything to go by ICJ may annul the death sentence to Jadhav as he was not given consular access and a fair trial.

Pakistan may execute Jadhav still.But all that fanfare press conferences,confessional video,alleged dossier to UN and the attempt to drag India into terror activity charges will mean zilch once ICJ annuls Jadhav's sentence.
 
And where is Iran's record that Pak Army entered their territory and abducted some random indian guy because they felt like it? :))

These things happen secretly, many things go unreported. You made it sound like a person missing from third country with no relatives has gone unreported for first time.

One country's word against another? It's like saying that, if Pakistan says Mumbai attacks never happened, it's just one country's word against another.... There has to be some believability and standard of proof too.... You can't make up whatever you want and say ''our word against theirs''.... There is zero evidence that this Yadav spy was abducted from Iran.... Maybe he has an entry to Iran, every India spy enters Balochistan through Irani Balochistan, but no proof that he was in Iran the day he was supposedly abducted or that Pakistani army entered Iran on that day....
The bolded part exacerbate your conclusion that he is spy. For once, during mumbai attacks FBI traced back call to terrorist scums sitting in Pakistan and many other proofs. That's was a neutral party in that case and in this case, ICJ is neutral party here and have perceived Indian point strong enough to suspend the order for time being.

and on remaining part, there is equally zero evidence that he was not in iran or ISI didn't secretly abducted him. Evidence should be concrete enough to proves someone guilt not hypothesis that he must have been in Pakistan and not in iran the day he was captured he was abducted/caught.

So, you have one fact: Pakistan has arrested an Indian guy in Balochistan.... This is a fact because Pakistan has him right now.... And then you have the Pakistani arguments to explain the fact: the guy confesses on videos, Pakistan has released people in the past who went back to India and said ''yes we were spies'', there is ample proof of RAW financing terror in Balochistan and sending spies there, there is record of this guy being in the army.... Then you have the indian argument to explain the fact: Pakistan army abducted this innocent guy from Iran (despite the fact that thousands of indians have been in Iran for decades with nobody touching them, despite the fact that Iran said nothing) who has nothing to do with RAW and they want to hang him because they're barbarians who hate India....

Let's speak fact, one more fact you forgot to add is a neutral party suspend Pakistan to execute the person. The inference to this fact is Pakistan's case is not strong enough and leads to plausible argument that Pakistan have been painting this guy as a spy to appease the mass as he fits the criteria to be framed as one, belonging to Indian navy, having a business in neighbouring country.

One more fact, he had Indian passport which actually have direct negation to someone who is spy. Which spy actually enters an enemy country holding a passport of a country, with whom any link can be perceived as a person being involve in subversive activities. I mean really? :))
Re ample proof of Indian involvement, reminds me of bucket load of dossiers disbursed to UN/US. Failed to gain any traction with them having ' mere speculation and narrative '. So, this proof thing is postulate of yours not a fact as your said.

Given, the Pakistan's history of false accusation - Kasab not being a Pakistani, osama not in Pakistan, No Pakistani involvement in mumbai attacks. It won't be even spurious to apply occam's razor to this one as well.

It's not one country's word against, there is one story that makes sense and another that is pure fiction out of Bollywood.... The ICJ isn't neutral and they don't like the death sentence, they didn't even give death sentence to people who committed genocide in Bosnia.... So they will likely give this guy a stay... But under Pakistani law and under Indian law, a spy like this should be sentenced to death.... This is how we have done things for the past 60 years, both Pakistan and India.... Now India wants to change the rules because they feel they can... This is typical case of eik to chori upar se sina zori...

Lol at ICJ not being neutral. :))
A spy doesn't fall under Vienna convention law, the fact that Pakistan wasn't able to proof he is indeed a spy says volume how much windbaggery Pakistan's doing just to bloat there ego by executing a "spy".

If the ICJ gives India reason (which it will likely, it only gave 35 years to Rakto Mladic, why would it give death sentence to a spy caught in Pakistan? even though both India and Pakistan kill eachothers spies) then they should stick him in a cell in solitary confinement, in chains for the rest of his life with nobody to talk to ever.... Make him wish India didn't actually intervene...

Your desperation to prove that he is a spy is baffling. Have you personally caught him? or seen him involved in seditious activities with your own eyes?
 
Disgraceful comment. For all we know he could be innocent. For all we know he could have been tortured to confess what he did. Why not allow India consular access to him? This whole thing reeks.

I'm a Pakistani btw before you accuse me of anything. I find it disgraceful and disgusting that you would like a person who could potentially be innocent to be publicly executed

Let me make one thing clear, despite being a critic of many policies of the Pakistan Army, I trust them to have not tortured Jadhav and forced him to plead guilty because of the simple fact that Pakistan Army has had dozens of cases of letting Indians in Pakistan go back or in some cases, even helping them, like the fishermen who were kidnapped who the Indian Govt. totally forgot about. So, therefore, I think executing him would make sense given I trust our army and the fact that he's committed heinous crimes.

What was he doing in Pakistan in the first place..
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] and [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION]
What is your opinion on this

Shouldn't have agreed to let this go to ICJ. As far as the question of which version of events is true is concerned, India's or Pakistan's, there's not enough information available to judge that. I have zero faith or trust in the army and so far all we have is their word and a confession that may very well have been coerced so it's hard to say who's right and who's wrong with virtually zero information available.
 
Shouldn't have agreed to let this go to ICJ. As far as the question of which version of events is true is concerned, India's or Pakistan's, there's not enough information available to judge that. I have zero faith or trust in the army and so far all we have is their word and a confession that may very well have been coerced so it's hard to say who's right and who's wrong with virtually zero information available.

I dont support PA at some things but what india is saying is pure bollywood fiction movie that PA have abducted him from Iran.
and second thing is that both nations have send spy's to ech other so that Jadhav is spy that is true after listen a interview from Surjeet Singh.
 
These things happen secretly, many things go unreported. You made it sound like a person missing from third country with no relatives has gone unreported for first time.


The bolded part exacerbate your conclusion that he is spy. For once, during mumbai attacks FBI traced back call to terrorist scums sitting in Pakistan and many other proofs. That's was a neutral party in that case and in this case, ICJ is neutral party here and have perceived Indian point strong enough to suspend the order for time being.

and on remaining part, there is equally zero evidence that he was not in iran or ISI didn't secretly abducted him. Evidence should be concrete enough to proves someone guilt not hypothesis that he must have been in Pakistan and not in iran the day he was captured he was abducted/caught.



Let's speak fact, one more fact you forgot to add is a neutral party suspend Pakistan to execute the person. The inference to this fact is Pakistan's case is not strong enough and leads to plausible argument that Pakistan have been painting this guy as a spy to appease the mass as he fits the criteria to be framed as one, belonging to Indian navy, having a business in neighbouring country.

One more fact, he had Indian passport which actually have direct negation to someone who is spy. Which spy actually enters an enemy country holding a passport of a country, with whom any link can be perceived as a person being involve in subversive activities. I mean really? :))
Re ample proof of Indian involvement, reminds me of bucket load of dossiers disbursed to UN/US. Failed to gain any traction with them having ' mere speculation and narrative '. So, this proof thing is postulate of yours not a fact as your said.

Given, the Pakistan's history of false accusation - Kasab not being a Pakistani, osama not in Pakistan, No Pakistani involvement in mumbai attacks. It won't be even spurious to apply occam's razor to this one as well.



Lol at ICJ not being neutral. :))
A spy doesn't fall under Vienna convention law, the fact that Pakistan wasn't able to proof he is indeed a spy says volume how much windbaggery Pakistan's doing just to bloat there ego by executing a "spy".



Your desperation to prove that he is a spy is baffling. Have you personally caught him? or seen him involved in seditious activities with your own eyes?

No Indian citizens don't go missing in Iran everyday without any noise and no Pakistan army doesn't violate Iran's territorial integrity everyday.

ICJ hasn't given reason to India that he isn't a spy.... They have suspended the decision to hear India's case which they would have done no matter what, whether he killed 1000 people on video or nobody....

The onus is not on Pakistan to prove that he was NOT in Iran.... It's India that is making an outlandish claim here.... Their spy is caught in Balochistan so they make up a story about him being abducted by Pak Army with zero proof by anyone..... So they should prove that this story is true... You talk about Occam's razor then you should apply it here too.... When a person is caught in Balochistan and India makes up an outlandish story about him being abducted under Iran's nose... Then Occam's razor means that India is just trying to save their spy with a Bollywood story unless they can prove this alleged abduction.....

Exactly Pakistan said Kasab isn't Pakistani.... They didn't go to an international court trying to save him.... That's how shameless India is...

I like how you initially pretended to be a neutral guy who doesn't want an innocent to be sentenced.... "If he was a Pakistani in India I would say the same thing" But now with refusing the Indian involvement in Baluchistan and refusing to see the evidence, we can see why you're just another Indian jingoist on a Pakistan website....
 
Let me make one thing clear, despite being a critic of many policies of the Pakistan Army, I trust them to have not tortured Jadhav and forced him to plead guilty because of the simple fact that Pakistan Army has had dozens of cases of letting Indians in Pakistan go back or in some cases, even helping them, like the fishermen who were kidnapped who the Indian Govt. totally forgot about. So, therefore, I think executing him would make sense given I trust our army and the fact that he's committed heinous crimes.

What was he doing in Pakistan in the first place..

Just because you trust pak army not to do something doesn't mean they haven't done it.

Just because they have let people go in the past (as have India) doesn't mean this must be the case now. You have to understand the current landscape. India is trying to isolate pak as a terrorist nation so its not outwith the realms of possibility that they done this in order to make India look bad. Pakistan army aren't exactly angels tbh.

As for what was he doing in Pakistan in the first place...then there are countless scenarios that he could have been brought into balochistan against his will or by force. What was bin laden the world's most wanted terrorist doing living in an abbotabad villa next to an army base for years? If that's possible then this is simple compared to that.
 
India is really lucky... They can tell any story to their awaam and they will flock online to defend it....

India: this innocent random guy was abducted by Pakistan army on Iranian soil..... Pakistan violated Iran's territorial integrity.....There was no news about an Indian national going missing despite this happening never before in history of thousands of Indians working in Iran.... Pakistan just did it because they hate India and want to kill a random innocent Indian....

Brainwashed Indians: Yes sir that is the truth.... It is obviously more likely than the guy simply being a spy, since our government does nothing wrong... We are going online to spread the truth this instant....
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] and [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION]
What is your opinion on this

He's a spy obviously. I would have thought now Indian posters have started deflecting towards bin Laden is a fair indicator they know it as well. India seems to spend a disproportionate amount of resources on discrediting Pakistan, which is bad news as it means Pakistan does likewise, which is a waste of resources for two poverty stricken countries.
 
He's a spy obviously. I would have thought now Indian posters have started deflecting towards bin Laden is a fair indicator they know it as well. India seems to spend a disproportionate amount of resources on discrediting Pakistan, which is bad news as it means Pakistan does likewise, which is a waste of resources for two poverty stricken countries.

funny how the same Indians who comment on Pakistanis being obsessed with conspiracy theories are closet conspiracy theorist themselves. Jhadav is just letting them all out now...somehow the mighty ISI and Pak Army who couldn't protect themselves from the 'surgical strike' went in to Iran and abducted an Indian, brought him back, and coerced a confession out of him. The effects of Bollywood on Indians have reached an unparalleled level.
 
No Indian citizens don't go missing in Iran everyday without any noise and no Pakistan army doesn't violate Iran's territorial integrity everyday.

ICJ hasn't given reason to India that he isn't a spy.... They have suspended the decision to hear India's case which they would have done no matter what, whether he killed 1000 people on video or nobody....

The onus is not on Pakistan to prove that he was NOT in Iran.... It's India that is making an outlandish claim here.... Their spy is caught in Balochistan so they make up a story about him being abducted by Pak Army with zero proof by anyone..... So they should prove that this story is true... You talk about Occam's razor then you should apply it here too.... When a person is caught in Balochistan and India makes up an outlandish story about him being abducted under Iran's nose... Then Occam's razor means that India is just trying to save their spy with a Bollywood story unless they can prove this alleged abduction.....

Exactly Pakistan said Kasab isn't Pakistani.... They didn't go to an international court trying to save him.... That's how shameless India is...

I like how you initially pretended to be a neutral guy who doesn't want an innocent to be sentenced.... "If he was a Pakistani in India I would say the same thing" But now with refusing the Indian involvement in Baluchistan and refusing to see the evidence, we can see why you're just another Indian jingoist on a Pakistan website....

I wasn't talking about Indians in isolation but general trend of people who go missing in foreign countries being unreported. :facepalm: There have been more than 4 million people who went missing in last few years, extrapolate it to assume no. of people who go missing and yet unreported.

If any data to back up your claim 'Indian citizens don't go missing in Iran without any noise' please share. The reason I'm asking is because people goes missing without being unreported and this isn't some grotesque case you claim it to be.

While I agree that, ICJ hasn't given any indication of yadav not being a spy, it's a matter of curiosity and one for punctilious study as to how India even had a chance against boatload of concrete proof provided by Pakistan to prove he is a spy. Because had Pakistan been able to prove/had strong enough evidence against Yadav to paint him as a spy - Pakistan wouldn't even had to wait for ICJ's order as spies aren't cover under Vienna convention.

Again, it's not India who is going to hang some person. It doesn't take genius to figure out that person/state punishing someone should be the one proving someone's guilt or atleast do it on back of some hard enough evidence and not half baked claims from Army.

What implementation of occam's razor you speak of?
It states that less plausible theory is very likely to be true. So if I were to apply it, least likely theory in your words is the "Bollywood story" which renders it to be true.

Thanks, finally we agree on something. :)


Pakistan didn't went to court to contest him because they didn't want to be embarrassed further in international community. Heck, they even refused to acknowledge that he is even Pakistani.

For remaining part, I still maintain that I will oppose in am unequivocal tone if any Pakistani guy accused of being spy without strong evidence is to be executed in India.

Again, i reiterate, it's better to leave 10 criminals than to hang an innocent
 
I wasn't talking about Indians in isolation but general trend of people who go missing in foreign countries being unreported. :facepalm: There have been more than 4 million people who went missing in last few years, extrapolate it to assume no. of people who go missing and yet unreported.

If any data to back up your claim 'Indian citizens don't go missing in Iran without any noise' please share. The reason I'm asking is because people goes missing without being unreported and this isn't some grotesque case you claim it to be.

While I agree that, ICJ hasn't given any indication of yadav not being a spy, it's a matter of curiosity and one for punctilious study as to how India even had a chance against boatload of concrete proof provided by Pakistan to prove he is a spy. Because had Pakistan been able to prove/had strong enough evidence against Yadav to paint him as a spy - Pakistan wouldn't even had to wait for ICJ's order as spies aren't cover under Vienna convention.

Again, it's not India who is going to hang some person. It doesn't take genius to figure out that person/state punishing someone should be the one proving someone's guilt or atleast do it on back of some hard enough evidence and not half baked claims from Army.

What implementation of occam's razor you speak of?
It states that less plausible theory is very likely to be true. So if I were to apply it, least likely theory in your words is the "Bollywood story" which renders it to be true.

Thanks, finally we agree on something. :)


Pakistan didn't went to court to contest him because they didn't want to be embarrassed further in international community. Heck, they even refused to acknowledge that he is even Pakistani.

For remaining part, I still maintain that I will oppose in am unequivocal tone if any Pakistani guy accused of being spy without strong evidence is to be executed in India.

Again, i reiterate, it's better to leave 10 criminals than to hang an innocent

I have data to back up my claim.... Since an Indian citizen has never gone missing in Iran without any noise....
The people who go missing, they do it in their own country.... When you go missing in a foreign country, it's big news.... If tomorrow someone abducted a Chinese citizen in Pakistan, it would be all over the news.... Especially in India :))

That's not Occam's razor.... Go read a book before using words bigger than yourself.... Occam's razor is choosing the simplest explanation between competing ones... The one with the fewest assumptions....

Here, there is a simple one and a complex one to explain why Pak army has Yadav under custody: Yadav was arrested in Baluchistan.... And one with a lot of assumptions: Pak Army violated Iran's territorial integrity to abduct an innocent citizen...
 
I have data to back up my claim.... Since an Indian citizen has never gone missing in Iran without any noise....
The people who go missing, they do it in their own country.... When you go missing in a foreign country, it's big news.... If tomorrow someone abducted a Chinese citizen in Pakistan, it would be all over the news.... Especially in India :))

That's not Occam's razor.... Go read a book before using words bigger than yourself.... Occam's razor is choosing the simplest explanation between competing ones... The one with the fewest assumptions....

Here, there is a simple one and a complex one to explain why Pak army has Yadav under custody: Yadav was arrested in Baluchistan.... And one with a lot of assumptions: Pak Army violated Iran's territorial integrity to abduct an innocent citizen...

Claiming to have data and still not presenting? doesn't add up. Foreigners go missing in other countries all the time, is it so hard to grasp. In India only, we have so many Russians missing.

I do read lots of books thank you, I meant theory with least unequivocal substance to it. As I am typing this on my phone while also taking my classes, I can be excused for not checking for typos.

Why you make it sound so mightily hard for an intelligence agency to abduct a guy from a country you share border with. Didn't RAW allegedly abducted a former Pakistani officer from Nepal couple of weeks back?

What's more hard to understand is why an Indian spy would keep an 'Indian passport' with him. Which theory is more likely and with less ambiguous elements to explain, you can decide for yourself. :)
 
Claiming to have data and still not presenting? doesn't add up. Foreigners go missing in other countries all the time, is it so hard to grasp. In India only, we have so many Russians missing.

I do read lots of books thank you, I meant theory with least unequivocal substance to it. As I am typing this on my phone while also taking my classes, I can be excused for not checking for typos.

Why you make it sound so mightily hard for an intelligence agency to abduct a guy from a country you share border with. Didn't RAW allegedly abducted a former Pakistani officer from Nepal couple of weeks back?

What's more hard to understand is why an Indian spy would keep an 'Indian passport' with him. Which theory is more likely and with less ambiguous elements to explain, you can decide for yourself. :)

How can I post data for something that never happened, ie an indian getting abducted in Iran ever without any noise???

I haven't heard of Pakistani getting abducted in Nepal.... But even then it's a publicized case and Pakistan raised an issue over it.... India never mentioned an Indian officer abducted from Iran......
 
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How can I post data for something that never happened, ie an indian getting abducted in Iran ever without any noise???

I haven't heard of Pakistani getting abducted in Nepal.... But even then it's a publicized case and Pakistan raised an issue over it.... India never mentioned an Indian officer abducted from Iran......

Do you see the juxtaposition in your argument? How can abduction will make headlines if it's not even reported?

It's been all over news lately, do read it. So its not as hard to 'violate territorial integrity' of a country with attached border. I mean India did the same to Pakistan with surgical strikes, Pakistan do it all the time with Afghanistan.

Two points you haven't addressed yet:

*Why Pakistan's case not strong enough to prove he is a spy as that would have directly made ICJ's decision inconsequential as spies are outlier to Vienna convention.

*What was Indian spy doing in Pakistan with an Indian passport?

At last, unlike you, I am not entirely sure that he is innocent either and if proven guilty, law should take it's course. But it's good to show other sides to people with green tinted glasses who are hell bent on hang him.
 
India made a "serious mistake' by going to ICJ, says former Judge

KARACHI: While people are gloating over India's victory before the International Court of Justice regarding Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav, at least one man in India is there to say something very different.

In a post on social media, the former Supreme Court judge and former Chairman Press Council of India Justice Markandey Katju said India has made serious mistake by going to ICJ, it would give Pakistan an opportunity to approach ICJ for deciding Kashmir dispute.

Justice Katju further said that it appears Pakistan’s minimal objection towards ICJ’s jurisdiction is because India has given it a chance to open up several other issues in front of the international court.

“We have played into Pakistan’s hands, and given it a handle to open up many other issues. In fact that is why it seems that Pakistan did not seriously object to the jurisdiction of ICJ,” he said.

He added that India can no longer object to ICJ’s jurisdiction, in case Pakistan approached the international court over Kashmir.

“Now it is certain that Pakistan will approach the ICJ for deciding the Kashmir dispute, and it will then hardly lie in our mouth to object to the jurisdiction of ICJ, since we cannot blow hot and cold together,” he said.

“Pakistan must be very happy that we went to the ICJ over a single individual’s fate, as now they can raise all kinds of issues, particularly Kashmir, in international fora, to which we had always objected till now. By going to the ICJ we may have opened up a Pandora’s box,” he concluded.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/2...ous-mistake-by-going-to-ICJ-says-former-Judge
 
Good to see Indian government taking so much effort for kulbhushan.. I would have thought if a spy gets called the country just disowns them and then how come he had his Indian passport with him what kind of spy has his real passport with him in an enemy nation.. Regardless let's see what comes out of it, Pakistani army court had according to them enough evidence to give him a death sentence so I am not sure why Pakistanis here are crying show the evidence to ICJ they will rule in favour of Pakistan and gives them opportunity to show the international community of Indian interference in Baluchistan and embarrass internationally..

However if the evidence was cooked up by ISI then that will be a major embarrassment for Pakistan..
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] your views?
 
I don't know when this drama will be over. Simple question is what was an Indian officer doing in Baluchistan of all places ? It's obvious and self explanatory.
 
Kulbhushan Jadhav arrested from Chabahar: Amjad Shoaib (Former Pak Army General and ISI Official)

So Kulbhushan was indeed kidnapped from Iran (which is in sync with the Indian narrative) and the Pak army was lying all along saying he was arrested from Balochistan. Embarrassing situation for the ISPR. Watch the first 35 seconds.

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Finally the truth is out as was suspected. Jadhav was abducted from Iran and falsely implicated in the case.

India has played it's cards well is far.
 
ISLAMABAD – Retired Lieutenant General Amjad Shoaib has rejected Indian media claims that he has admitted that the Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav was captured in Iran.
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He said the Indian publication did not approach him before publishing the story and based its claims on the doctored clip, adding they took his statements out of the reference and context. He said that in the show which the clip is taken from, he actually meant that Jadhav was headquartered in Iran, which Jadhav has confessed himself.

There is a clip circulating in Indian media where his quote is clipped and is taken out of context.

Giving credence to his stance, the general maintained that had the spy been arrested from inside of Iran, there would have been a protest from the Iranian government and a diplomatic pressure on Pakistan for carrying out the operation in a sovereign country’s territory – which did not happen. “Indian media, by taking my clip out of context is trying to frame it in such a way that makes me look like saying that we captured him from inside of Iran when I meant that he came from Iran and we captured him.”
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It may be noted here that General Shoaib has not served Pakistan Army in a long time and was long retired when Kulbhushan was arrested in Balochistan. He does not have any security clearance to have such classified information.

In the International Court of Justice, Pakistan has said that its security forces arrested Jadhav from Balochistan on March 3 last year after he entered from Iran.
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https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pak...as-arrested-from-iran-exposes-raw-propaganda/
 
regardless of the fact...Indians should be ashamed that ISI can go in to another country (supposedly India's ally and a regional military power) and kidnap any Indian they want.
 
^^ LOL.

Either way, this Iran abduction conspiracy theory hasn't been given much thought by the bharatis, as the general himself is try to explain.

If Yadav was abducted from Iran then, then:

1) Why Iran is not protesting with Pakistan for violating its sovereignty? If Iran is not protesting, does it mean Iran supported Pakistan in abducting Yadav
2) Why has the Indian government not approached the Irani government to find out if Iran assisted Pakistan, given Iran has not protested the supposed violation of its sovereignty.

This whole Iran abduction conspiracy theory is bullcrap of the highest order if one thinks about it.
 
1 Indian spy gets caught yet the Indian media and their apologists crying foul as if it's some innocent businessman gets abducted.

Why is Iran not protesting ?? Surely they don't want businessmen from their country getting kidnapped ??
Surely it would set a precedent would it not ??

Some of you Indians really are living in cloud cuckoo land when you believe all the BS from your media.

Just as Pakistanis have spies in your country you send spies to Pakistan as well. And they are not always for good reasons and intent. Get that into your head before playing the victim card.
 
If this is true then India should take it up with Iran. Some former Pak agent has also apparently been captured by RAW in Iran as well. India wants to trade a spy for the terrorist Yadav but Pak has rejected the offer. Yadav will hang no matter what, insha Allah.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi issued the visas to the mother and wife of Commander Jadhav to visit Islamabad to meet him, today.</p>— Dr Mohammad Faisal (@ForeignOfficePk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ForeignOfficePk/status/943464275921788929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I don't know when this drama will be over. Simple question is what was an Indian officer doing in Baluchistan of all places ? It's obvious and self explanatory.

I have wondered this too. Was there any strong evidence that he was there to spy or was there for some other reason. Was he working for the government at all ?
 
I have wondered this too. Was there any strong evidence that he was there to spy or was there for some other reason. Was he working for the government at all ?

He was there to spy.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India informs that the mother and wife of Commander Jadhav will arrive by commercial flight on 25 Dec and leave the same day. Indian DHC in Islamabad will be the accompanying diplomat.</p>— Dr Mohammad Faisal (@ForeignOfficePk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ForeignOfficePk/status/944623171461926912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India informs that the mother and wife of Commander Jadhav will arrive by commercial flight on 25 Dec and leave the same day. Indian DHC in Islamabad will be the accompanying diplomat.</p>— Dr Mohammad Faisal (@ForeignOfficePk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ForeignOfficePk/status/944623171461926912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Somehow it doesn’t feel he’s a spy I would have thought if he was a spy Indian government would have disowned him.. Now Pakistan is letting his family meet him? The way Indian government is trying to get him home and Pakistan letting his family come and meet him doesn’t fit their narrative of him being cause of thousands of deaths in Balochistan..

We will never get to know the truth so one can only speculate..
 
Somehow it doesn’t feel he’s a spy I would have thought if he was a spy Indian government would have disowned him.. Now Pakistan is letting his family meet him? The way Indian government is trying to get him home and Pakistan letting his family come and meet him doesn’t fit their narrative of him being cause of thousands of deaths in Balochistan..

We will never get to know the truth so one can only speculate..

What does "disowning" meaning to you? Indian government said he's not a spy. That's what all countries do when their spies get captured. That's usually considered disowning. They still try to get the individual back if they can. India tried the same with its spies in the past, some of whom were released and the first words they uttered as soon as they stepped foot in India were along the lines of "I was working for RAW". There were other spies that were killed, like Sarabjit, whom the Indian government tried to get back as well.

With respect to Pakistan letting his family come, there is information from unnamed but reliable sources (yes I know you don't believe them - that doesn't matter, Pakistan government knows this) that he has been very helpful in helping catch terrorists, destroying terrorist cells and networks, and capturing other RAW spies. It was stated that at least 400 individuals had been captured because of his intelligence. So Pakistan government is doing this as a courtesy for his help. Again, you don't have to believe this, but Pakistan government knows this and this is why they're helping him. And this is still not the "consular visit" India had been demanding.

There are other rumours (not as solid as the one above) that Yadav was very high in the chain and was well connected, so there's a lot of pressure on in the Indian government to get him back.
 
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As a fellow Indian, I want Yadav to be free however one thing I cant help but NOTE:

Pakistan just screws everything up, always finds a way to shoot themselves in the feet.

1) They look real good in the international media showing a pic of a Palestinian girl in front of the UN showing her to be Kashmiri.

2) With the Yadav fiasco, they had to go public and tell the world how they caught a supposed Indian spy with evidence and now they are stuck because they cant execute him... IF HE WAS A SPY DOING HARM TO THE COUNTRY WHY NOT JUST EXECUTE HIM IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT ANNOUNCING ANYTHING TO THE WORLD ???????????????????

Pakistan is Pakistan, a comedy of errors and nothing more.................
 
As a fellow Indian, I want Yadav to be free however one thing I cant help but NOTE:

Pakistan just screws everything up, always and finds a way to shoot themselves in the feet.

1) They look real good in the international media showing a pic of a Palestinian girl in front of the UN showing her to be Kashmiri.

2) With the Yadav fiasco, they had to go public and tell the world how they caught a supposed Indian spy with evidence and now they are stuck because they cant execute him... IF HE WAS A SPY DOING HARM TO THE COUNTRY WHY NOT JUST EXECUTE HIM IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT ANNOUNCING ANYTHING TO THE WORLD ???????????????????

Pakistan is Pakistan, a comedy of errors and nothing more.................


Why execute him when he is willingly cooperating and giving up a lot of intelligence of Indian backed terrorism in Pakistan?

Pakistan should keep him detained but in good conditions.
 
Why execute him when he is willingly cooperating and giving up a lot of intelligence of Indian backed terrorism in Pakistan?

Pakistan should keep him detained but in good conditions.

That's not the point............................. Pakistan announced to the whole world that they handed out death penalty to Yadav after he was captured, now they cant because of the international court, another shoot yourself in the feet incident by Pakistan. All Pakistan had to do was carry out the death sentence without announcing to the world, but NOOOO Pakistan wasnt satisfied unless they look like a JOKE in front of the world.

Keep up the good work, this country is going places....
 
That's not the point............................. Pakistan announced to the whole world that they handed out death penalty to Yadav after he was captured, now they cant because of the international court, another shoot yourself in the feet incident by Pakistan. All Pakistan had to do was carry out the death sentence without announcing to the world, but NOOOO Pakistan wasnt satisfied unless they look like a JOKE in front of the world.

Keep up the good work, this country is going places....

The spy obviously thought he was going to die, so started to sing like a canary. Good tactical move by Pakistan. Now since he has coperated, he can see his family and remain detained in good conditions. Maybe he also realised India did nothing to bring him back so looked after his own interests.
 
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When you build enough toilets then India might also go places. You;re not high tech Japan or clean as Europe just yet.

The spy obviously thought he was going to die, so started to sing like a canary. Good tactical move by Pakistan. Now since he has coperated, he can see his family and remain detained in good conditions. Maybe he also realised India did nothing to bring him back so looked after his own interests.

Ah well, looks like India is winning so far, Yadav still alive :angel:.. As long as he is alive thats all that matters...
 
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Ah well, looks like India is winning so far, Yadav still alive :angel:.. As long as he is alive thats all that matters...

I thought you wanted him dead?

A high ranking spy has been caught and has given up so much information, in your world this is winning? lol
 
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I thought you wanted him dead?

A high ranking spy has been caught and has given up so much information, in your world this is winning? lol

Ohh what ?? I wanted him dead ?? really ? show me where I said that. You have major comprehension issues along with the typical disease a few Pakistanis are prone to: DENIAL.. Sentenced to death and that sentence now cant be carry out lol, OH OH lets now change the tune to gathering intelligence to minimize the embarrassment... :angel:
 
Ohh what ?? I wanted him dead ?? really ? show me where I said that. You have major comprehension issues along with the typical disease a few Pakistanis are prone to: DENIAL.. Sentenced to death and that sentence now cant be carry out lol, OH OH lets now change the tune to gathering intelligence to minimize the embarrassment... :angel:

Seemed like you were wishing Pakistan executed him. My bad :)

Your spy gets caught and you think it's embarrassing for Pakistan. lol
 
What does "disowning" meaning to you? Indian government said he's not a spy. That's what all countries do when their spies get captured. That's usually considered disowning. They still try to get the individual back if they can. India tried the same with its spies in the past, some of whom were released and the first words they uttered as soon as they stepped foot in India were along the lines of "I was working for RAW". There were other spies that were killed, like Sarabjit, whom the Indian government tried to get back as well.

With respect to Pakistan letting his family come, there is information from unnamed but reliable sources (yes I know you don't believe them - that doesn't matter, Pakistan government knows this) that he has been very helpful in helping catch terrorists, destroying terrorist cells and networks, and capturing other RAW spies. It was stated that at least 400 individuals had been captured because of his intelligence. So Pakistan government is doing this as a courtesy for his help. Again, you don't have to believe this, but Pakistan government knows this and this is why they're helping him. And this is still not the "consular visit" India had been demanding.

There are other rumours (not as solid as the one above) that Yadav was very high in the chain and was well connected, so there's a lot of pressure on in the Indian government to get him back.


I don’t know I would have thought disowning means that Indian government don’t put any efforts to bring him back or maybe how Pakistan did with Kasab and said he is not Pakistani at all..

Regarding your other points you and me won’t ever get to know the truth only the high ranking officials on either side know the truth about him.. Rest is what is fed to the media by the officials some truth some not..

Another thing is that Pakistani army court said they had enough evidence to give him death penalty thennwhy haven’t they shown that evidence in ICJ?

Let’s see how this pans out in the future one thing is for certain the guys life is over as he knew.
 
'This is not the final visit,' says FO after Jadhav's meeting with family

Foreign Office (FO) Spokesperson Dr Muhammad Faisal at a press conference after Kulbhushan Jadhav's meeting with his family members in Islamabad on Monday said it was not the Indian spy's last meeting.

"This meeting has nothing to do with the case pending before the International Court of Justice or with politics," Dr Faisal said.

Jadhav's wife and mother were both our guests, he said, adding: "They came and left in an honourable fashion."

"As Jadhav's wife and mother were leaving, they thanked Pakistan, the FO, me, my team," Dr Faisal said. "They were satisfied with the meeting."

"It was around 35 minutes long. Jadhav requested that it may be extended a little bit," so it ran to about 40 minutes, the FO spokesperson said.

"They spoke openly during the meeting," Dr Faisal said, adding that the Indian High Commissioner JP Singh, who accompanied Avanti and Chetankul Jadhav, was present outside the meeting room and did not hear the conversation that took place between the family members.

"We fulfilled the promises we made to them."

"Let me be very clear that Pakistan permitted the Indian request totally on humanitarian grounds in line with Islamic principles and teachings. Islam is a religion of peace... and it was a gesture of good faith and compassion," he said. "It has nothing to do with consular access," he added.

adhav's wife and mother also brought a gift for him, DawnNews reported, which is yet to be handed over to him.

A copy of the medical report presented by the FO spokesperson. ─ Photo courtesy Naveed Siddiqui
A copy of the medical report presented by the FO spokesperson. ─ Photo courtesy Naveed Siddiqui
The FO spokesperson also presented a medical report for Jadhav that showed he is in "good health" and "everything is normal".

The FO spokesperson said Pakistan would have preferred if Jadhav's wife and mother had spoken to Pakistani media.

"This was done in the spirit that Pakistan has nothing to hide and, like all of you, seeks the answers to many questions that remain unanswered," he added.

"One good deed should beget another, and such a decision should serve as a template for others to follow, including in Indian Occupied Kashmir, where innocent blood continues to be spilled," he suggested.

'Face of Indian terrorism in Pakistan'

The FO spokesperson described the Indian spy as "the face of Indian terrorism in Pakistan" and detailed his confessions before the press.

Jadhav had admitted to involvement in the assassination of senior superintendent of police Chaudhry Mohammed Aslam Khan in Karachi in 2014, the targeting of Frontier Works Organisation activities in Balochistan, and improvised explosive device attacks in Quetta, Turbat and other cities in Balochistan, the FO spokesperson said.

The spy also confessed to supporting the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan and other groups, especially in the attack on the Mehran Naval Base, various radar installations and the Sui gas pipeline attack, all of which were directly funded by Indian intelligence agency Research Analysis Wing, Dr Faisal said.

The FO spokesperson said India had been presented with a copy of the passport in Jadhav's possession when he was arrested. The passport showed he had travelled in and out of India 17 times, he added.

"Indian silence is telling," he asserted. "There is a list of 15 names we have given to India asking for details on them."

After completion of the investigation into Jadhav, Pakistan offered to allow his wife to visit him, after which India requested that his mother also be permitted to meet him, the FO spokesperson said, and the request was subsequently granted.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1378784/t...sit-says-fo-after-jadhavs-meeting-with-family
 
As a fellow Indian, I want Yadav to be free however one thing I cant help but NOTE:

Pakistan just screws everything up, always finds a way to shoot themselves in the feet.

1) They look real good in the international media showing a pic of a Palestinian girl in front of the UN showing her to be Kashmiri.

2) With the Yadav fiasco, they had to go public and tell the world how they caught a supposed Indian spy with evidence and now they are stuck because they cant execute him... IF HE WAS A SPY DOING HARM TO THE COUNTRY WHY NOT JUST EXECUTE HIM IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT ANNOUNCING ANYTHING TO THE WORLD ???????????????????

Pakistan is Pakistan, a comedy of errors and nothing more.................




we beat you in finals; and will beat you in the warfare inshAllah.. Time will tell soon bro...:bhajji
 
Ah well, looks like India is winning so far, Yadav still alive :angel:.. As long as he is alive thats all that matters...

He may stay alive for 20-30 more years in jail, like several other bharati prisoners. I wouldn't consider that winning. Living that kind of life in jail won't be much fun, I can tell you that. Some other prisoners were kept in jail for that long, and then released by Pakistan. The first words EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM uttered as soon as they stepped foot on Indian soil were "I was working for RAW".
 
He may stay alive for 20-30 more years in jail, like several other bharati prisoners. I wouldn't consider that winning. Living that kind of life in jail won't be much fun, I can tell you that. Some other prisoners were kept in jail for that long, and then released by Pakistan. The first words EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM uttered as soon as they stepped foot on Indian soil were "I was working for RAW".

Pakistan was to hand out the DEATH PENALTY to Yadav, now you CANT because an outside authority tells your country you cant... Pretty much sums up Pakistan...
 
Pakistan was to hand out the DEATH PENALTY to Yadav, now you CANT because an outside authority tells your country you cant... Pretty much sums up Pakistan...

Lol, talk about being overly dramatic. If you take solace in such hollow victory, then there's not much one can do about this. At worst ICJ will allow consular access, and at best they will ignore the whole case. How is this going to save him? At best it will delay his death by a few months. I personally prefer him rotting in jail for a few decades. That's a worse way to live than just dying IMO.
 
Lol, talk about being overly dramatic. If you take solace in such hollow victory, then there's not much one can do about this. At worst ICJ will allow consular access, and at best they will ignore the whole case. How is this going to save him? At best it will delay his death by a few months. I personally prefer him rotting in jail for a few decades. That's a worse way to live than just dying IMO.

Honestly its better if he spends the rest of his life in jail and only let go when he is old and haggard like the last two times. That is alot worse than just hanging him.
 
Lol, talk about being overly dramatic. If you take solace in such hollow victory, then there's not much one can do about this. At worst ICJ will allow consular access, and at best they will ignore the whole case. How is this going to save him? At best it will delay his death by a few months. I personally prefer him rotting in jail for a few decades. That's a worse way to live than just dying IMO.

What victory ? its your country that announced to the whole world Yadav was going to be handed down the death sentence now they cant at the moment.. The only loser here is Pakistan.....
 
Why would a "spy" still have his original documents? It goes against standard procedures for probably every intelligence agency in the world. The spy would be given a complete new identity and a new life and would not still have his original documents with him.

People need to take their green tinted specs off and realise that the only evidence Pakistan has is the video confession....which isn't even evidence. Anyone subjected to physical/mental torture would eventually break and would be willing to admit anything so it holds no weight. In fact the way he admitted everything so quickly further suggests he is unlikely to be a spy as such people would receive intense training and you would think would it would take a much longer time to break them.
 
Pakistan was to hand out the DEATH PENALTY to Yadav, now you CANT because an outside authority tells your country you cant... Pretty much sums up Pakistan...

I think you will find that this is to huge credit to Pakistan gov as they are following the will of the international community on this subject. If you wish to compare this to the conduct of Indian forces in Kashmir then that will show you who the true loser is.
 
THE HAGUE: The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has set February 2019 as the window for hearing case of convicted Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav, sources familiar with the matter informed Geo News.

The world court will hear the case daily for a week in February next year, the sources said.

India had moved the ICJ against the case, after Jadhav — an on-duty Indian navy officer — was arrested and sentenced to death by Pakistan for espionage and subversive activities last year.

India had submitted its pleadings to the ICJ on September 13, 2017. The Indian stance was dismissed by Pakistan in its counter-pleadings, which were submitted on December 13 that year.

Pakistan rejects India's objections in Kulbhushan Jadhav case: diplomatic sources

In its counter-memorial, Pakistan had stated that Jadhav is not an ordinary person as he had entered the country with the intent of spying and carrying out sabotage activities.

The reply also stated that Jadhav, who was a serving officer of the Indian Navy, does not fall under the purview of the Vienna Convention.

Who is Kulbhushan Jadhav?

Commander Jadhav — an Indian navy officer working for Indian covert agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) — was arrested on March 3, 2016, from Balochistan after he entered into Pakistan from Iran.

Jadhav was tried in a military court which sentenced him to death for espionage and subversive activities.

In a reaction to the move, Pakistan’s relations with neighbouring India tensed, and New Delhi approached the ICJ to hear the case.

On May 18, 2017, the ICJ ordered Pakistan to halt the execution of Jadhav until a final decision was made in the proceedings.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/208315-icj-sets-february-2019-for-hearing-kulbhushan-jadhav-case-sources
 
ISLAMABAD: As the Inter*na*tional Court of Justice (ICJ) formally commences public hea**ring on the conviction of Indian spy commander Kulbhushan Jadhav from Feb 18, Pakistan’s delegation for oral arguments will depart for The Hague on Friday (today).

Attorney General Anwar Man*soor would lead the Pakistani delegation whereas Director General South Asia Dr Mohammad Faisal would lead the Foreign Office side, a senior official told Dawn.

Explore: Who is Kulbhushan Jadhav?

The world court has set a timetable for public hearings from Feb 18 to 21 in The Hague and Harish Salve, who represents New Delhi, is expected to argue first on Feb 18. Then English Queen’s Counsel Khawar Qureshi will make submissions on Feb 19 from Islamabad’s side.

Then India will reply on Feb 20 while Islamabad will make its closing submissions on Feb 21. It is expected that the ICJ decision may be delivered by the summer of 2019.

“We are fully prepared with our strongest evidence being the valid Indian passport recovered from Commander Jadhav with a Muslim name,” said the official, adding that Pak*istan was committed to implementing the decision, irrespective of what decision came from the ICJ.

Commander Jadhav was captured in Balochistan in March 2016 and later confessed to his association with Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) and his involvement in espionage and fomenting terrorism in Pakistan.

On May 18 last year, the ICJ through an interim order stayed Jadhav’s execution after which the Foreign Office communicated to the world court that the government of Pakistan had instructed relevant departments to give effect to the ICJ order.

Pakistan has already furnished two counter-memorials on the Indian claims, which brought the case before the world court under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations 1963.

India filed its reply on April 17, 2018, to which Pakistan filed a detailed rejoinder on 17 July that year.

In reply to a question about Iran, the official said the government was convinced that Iran had no role in Jadhav’s episode though he remained there for some time. “India wants to drag Iran into this dispute but we will not let it happen,” he said.

New Delhi claimed that Jadhav was an innocent businessman who was kidnapped from Iran and tortured to confess to being a RAW agent, but the official believes that Indians had failed to prove the allegation despite repeated requests for evidence that Jadhav was kidnapped.

Likewise, Indians also failed to satisfy that Jadhav had retired from the Indian Navy and New Delhi also failed to explain when and why he was retired since he was only 47 years old when arrested.

Similarly India needs to explain how Jadhav was in possession of an authentic Indian passport issued under a false “cover” Muslim name — Hussain Mubarak Patel — which he had used at least 17 times to enter/exit India.

India had been asked this question many times, even by highly respected Indian senior journalists such as Praveen Swami and Karan Thapar, but Indians declared this as irrelevant or mischievous propaganda.

Eventually India argued that the passport was clearly a forgery, but refused to explain why a highly credible independent UK expert was wrong when he said it was an authentic Indian passport issued by the Indian authorities.

New Delhi demands that the ICJ order Pakistan to return Jadhav to India, but the international court had repeatedly explained that it was not a criminal court of appeal. The world court has also clarified in its earlier decisions that even if consular access was denied, the proper recourse would be an effective review to be reconsidered by the local courts.

Jadhav and his family, the official said, could invoke Article 199 of Pakistan’s constitution by seeking the relief through the country’s high court, but India launched proceedings in the ICJ, 14 months after Jadhav was arrested and a month after he was convicted, to seek a stay order without a hearing.

“Why is India asking for an order for the return of Jadhav in the face of the ICJ’s decision and the independent expert evidence confirming Pakistan has effective review and reconsideration before the high court and the Supreme Court,” the official asked.

India has also failed to explain why May 21, 2008 Agreement on Consular Access between India and Pakistan, which was drafted by India and provides Article VI for either state to be entitled to consider a request for consular access about persons implicated in national security matters, does not apply in this case.

India has also failed to explain why highly respected UK-based military law experts are wrong when they say that Pakistan’s high court and Supreme Court provide an effective review and reconsideration of the military court process.

In its detailed counter-memorial to the Indian claims, Pakistan has raised a number of questions like the existence of the customary international law about an “espionage exception” to consular access in view of obvious dangers of allowing a state-sponsored spy/terrorist untrammelled communication with the authorities of his sending state that despatched him to commit unlawful acts.

The counter-memorial by Pakistan has also drawn attention to a bilateral agreement on consular access between India and Pakistan that clearly qualifies consular access in matters of national security.

Significantly, Pakistan has asked the ICJ to consider whether India has acted illegally in facilitating Jadhav’s espionage/terrorism by providing him with the passport.

On previous occasions when the ICJ has considered the issue of death penalty/consular access, the ICJ has never ordered relief of “acquittal, release and return” such as that sought by India.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1463945/i...ce-to-take-up-indian-spy-jadhavs-case-on-18th
 
What a hypocrite nation India is. A convicted terrorist is being portrayed as innocent. He was the guy behind APS attack, which means India was behind that attack. The guy even admitted!!
 
What a hypocrite nation India is. A convicted terrorist is being portrayed as innocent. He was the guy behind APS attack, which means India was behind that attack. The guy even admitted!!

They would never do any of this if the shoes were reversed. Do you think they would even accept ICJ's jurisdiction in such cases? They routinely arrest and convict 'iSI spies' based on flimsy evidence such as a Pakistani passport. That entire nation is one big hypocrite when it comes to evidence. To accuse Pakistan without evidence in many cases but then act all 'rational' and 'logical' when India is accused. Pakistan made a mistake by accepting to take the court to ICJ. Waste of time when it comes to dealing with a county like India.
 
mid fresh tensions between India and Pakistan after Pulwama terror attack, top legal eagles of the two countries will present their arguments in the Kulbhushan Jadhav case before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague this week during four days of public hearings.

This will be the first time India and Pakistan will confront each other after the deadliest terror attack in south Kashmir's Pulwama by the Pakistan-based terror outfit Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) where 40 CRPF were killed on February 14.

Kulbhushan Jadhav, 48, was sentenced to death by a Pakistani military court on charges of espionage and terrorism in April 2017. India moved the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in May the same year against the verdict.

A 10-member bench of the ICJ on May 18, 2017, had restrained Pakistan from executing Jadhav till adjudication of the case.

The public hearing of the Kulbhushan Jadhav case has been scheduled at the ICJ from February 18 to February 21. India will first present its arguments on February 18 while Pakistan will make its submissions the next day on February 19. India will make its counter argument in its reply on the February 20 while Pakistan will make its closing submissions on February 21.

English Queen's Counsel Khawar Qureshi QC, who also drafted the written pleading, will present Pakistan's case while Harish Salve will present the Indian side of the case. Attorney General of Pakistan Anwar Mansoor Khan will lead Pakistan's delegation.

Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Raveesh Kumar had earlier declined to go into the details of India's arguments to be presented in the ICJ hearing on Monday (February 18).

"The oral proceedings on the International Court of Justice are commencing on February 18. India will present its case before the court. Since the matter is sub judice it is not appropriate for me to state our position in public. Whatever we have to do, we will do at the court," he said in response to a question.

Pakistan claims that its security forces arrested Jadhav from the restive Balochistan province on March 3, 2016 after he reportedly entered from Iran.

However, India maintains that Jadhav was kidnapped from Iran where he had business interests after retiring from the Navy. Jadhav's sentencing had evoked a sharp reaction in India.

India had approached the ICJ for "egregious" violation of the provisions of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, 1963, by Pakistan in Jadhav's case.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...icj-hearing-india-pakistan-1458501-2019-02-18
 
India asks ICJ to declare Jadhav's trial in Pakistan 'unlawful'

THE HAGUE: India on Monday said the trial of its national Kulbhushan Jadhav by a Pakistani military court "hopelessly failed" to satisfy even the minimum standards of due process and requested the International Court of Justice to declare it "unlawful".

India's plea came as the top UN court began a four-day public hearing in the case of Jadhav, 48, who was sentenced to death by a Pakistani military court on charges of espionage.
India, during the first day of the hearing, based its case on two broad issues - breach of Vienna Convention on consular access and the process of resolution.
"It is an unfortunate case where the life of an innocent Indian is at risk," ex-solicitor general Harish Salve, who was representing India, said.
"Pakistan's story is solely based on rhetoric and not facts," he said, adding that Jadhav's continued custody without consular access should be declared unlawful.
Jadhav's trial by a Pakistani military court "hopelessly failed to satisfy even the minimum standards of due process", Salve said.
No "credible evidence" was provided by Pakistan to show his involvement in any act of terrorism and Jadhav's purported confession clearly appeared to be "coerced", Salve said.
"There is no manner of doubt that Pakistan was using this as a propaganda tool. Pakistan was bound to grant consular access without delay," Salve said.
"Pakistan used confession document as propaganda. Pakistan has disrespected the Vienna Convention," Salve said.
He said India had sent 13 reminders to Pakistan for consular access to Jadhav, but Islamabad is yet to accede.
Pakistan claims that its security forces arrested Jadhav from restive Balochistan province on March 3, 2016 after he reportedly entered from Iran.

However, India maintains that Jadhav was kidnapped from Iran where he had business interests after retiring from the Navy. Jadhav's sentencing had evoked a sharp reaction in India.
During the hearing, Salve said Pakistan filed the FIR almost a month after the arrest of Jadhav.
"In April 2016, an FIR was registered against Jadhav. In May 2016, Jadhav was interrogated, and India sent reminders for consular access across May, June, and July," Salve said.
"India reminded Pakistan for consular access - 13 reminders were sent - but to no avail," he said.
"Pakistan is embarrassed to disclose charges against Jadhav," Salve said.
Pakistan did not inform Kulbhushan Jadhav of his rights, he said.
Salve read out the various sections and articles of the Vienna Convention under which foreign prisoners fall.
"The Vienna Convention is a powerful tool that ensures the facility of consular access to foreign nationals who have been put on trial in foreign trial," he said.
"Article 36 of the Vienna Convention says that a country must be informed about the detention of its citizens but Pakistan did not inform India about his arrest."
Without consular access, he said, "India has no information on what happened to Kulbhushan Jadhav in Pakistan."
"India and Pakistan have a bilateral agreement on consular access," he said.

Source : https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...akistan-unlawful/amp_articleshow/68049171.cms
 
Indian diplomat refused to shake hands with Pakistan's Auditor General at ICJ

At the hearing Kulbhushan Jadhav Case, MEA joint secretary Deepak Mittal snubbed Pakistan's AG Anwar Mansoor Khan.

At the court, Khan extended his hand to Mittal for a shake hand, but the Indian diplomat ignored it and responded with a namaste.

During the hearing, Harish Salve, who represented India in the case argued that Pakistan has so far failed to conduct a fair trial in the case.

"Pakistan's conduct doesn't inspire confidence that Jadhav can get justice there. Pakistan has in custody an Indian National who has been publicly portrayed to be a terrorist and an Indian agent creating unrest in Balochistan...Pakistan used Jadhav to build a narrative against India," he argued.

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Only makes us laugh. Such pathetic and childish behaviour.
 
What a shocking reply by India, Pakistan regretting the decision to assist masterminds of terrorist attacks.
 
This is something a year 2 pupil would do just to act tough.
It's just disrespectful.

The indian media are celebrating themselves over this.
What a bunch of jokers
 
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Its seems indian case is not strong and already accepted defeat.

Btw this gesture will definetly give him great popularity in india so not surprise for his desperation for limelight
 
At the hearing Kulbhushan Jadhav Case, MEA joint secretary Deepak Mittal snubbed Pakistan's AG Anwar Mansoor Khan.

At the court, Khan extended his hand to Mittal for a shake hand, but the Indian diplomat ignored it and responded with a namaste.

During the hearing, Harish Salve, who represented India in the case argued that Pakistan has so far failed to conduct a fair trial in the case.

"Pakistan's conduct doesn't inspire confidence that Jadhav can get justice there. Pakistan has in custody an Indian National who has been publicly portrayed to be a terrorist and an Indian agent creating unrest in Balochistan...Pakistan used Jadhav to build a narrative against India," he argued.

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Only makes us laugh. Such pathetic and childish behaviour.



Attorney General
 
This is equivalent of nuclear attack on Pakistan :91:



"Pakistan must bleed" in full effect :))) :))) :)))
 
This is equivalent of nuclear attack on Pakistan :91:



"Pakistan must bleed" in full effect :))) :))) :)))

Another one...

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sending a strong message to Pakistan, members of the Indian delegation attending the hearing of Kulbhushan Jadhav case at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague snubbed their Pakistani counterparts by refusing to shake hands with them<a href="https://t.co/s01L1OilyP">https://t.co/s01L1OilyP</a></p>— TIMES NOW (@TimesNow) <a href="https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1097556352874864640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Another one...

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They've got us cornered now.
How am i gonna eat Chicken Karahi now??
 
I do not understand why this case was even brought to the International Court of Justice. Pakistan should have hung up this agent immediately.
 
Indian media claiming Jadhav will be freed

I don't see a release but at best Pakistan will allow counsular support to this guy. Everybody is entitled to a fair trial even if it's a terrorist.
 
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