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In a rare move, a military court on Monday handed Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav the death sentence after trial for involvement in espionage and sabotage activities in Karachi and Balochistan.

Jadhav was arrested on March 3, 2016 through a counter-intelligence operation in Balochistan's Mashkel area for his involvement in espionage and sabotage activities against Pakistan, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said.

"The spy was tried through Field General Court Martial (FGCM) under the Pakistan Army Act (PAA) and awarded the death sentence. Today Chief of Army Staff Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa confirmed his death sentence awarded by FGCM," the ISPR said.

The accused had been provided with a defending officer as per legal provisions, the ISPR said.

Experts view the military's announcement about Jadhav's trial and prosecution as an unprecedented move, viewing it as a strong message to India as well as other foreign intelligencies.

Balochistan Home Minister Sarfaraz Bugti speaking to DawnNews said he believes the decision is a good one. "There are foreign elements involved in terrorist activities in Balochistan," he claimed. "I believe this is a good decision."

Defence analyst Ikram Sehgal agreed with Bugti's view, saying, "What happened today was correct. He [Jadhav] confessed his crime, he had people killed... After due process, his punishment should be carried out. They [India] will deny that he was not a spy, but he accepted that he was a spy. He gave full details in his confession of his networks as well."

"Pakistan has sent a message that if somebody does such activities here, it will hand them severe punishment. Those operating against the state will face a similar fate," Sehgal added.

Leading Indian journalist Suhasini Haidar raised the question of how the sentencing may affect Pak-India ties. "With India-Pakistan relations at their lowest, wonder if diplomacy can work. Even US-Russia were able to conduct spy swaps during cold war," she said.

Jadhav was tried by the FGCM under Section 59 of the PAA and Section 3 of the official Secret Act of 1923, the statement said.

Jadhav confessed before a magistrate and court that he was tasked by Indian spy agency Research and Analysis wing to plan, coordinate and organise espionage and sabotage activities seeking to destabilise and wage war against Pakistan through impeding the efforts of law enforcement agencies for the restoration of peace in Balochistan and Karachi, the ISPR said.

Today's development comes at a time when tensions between Pakistan and India run high.

The past six months have seen a war of words between officials from the Indian and Pakistani governments.

Ties between the nuclear-armed neighbours worsened after India blamed Pakistan for an attack on an Indian military camp in Uri inside India-held Kashmir on Sept 18, 2016 where around 20 Indian soldiers were killed.

India alleged that Pakistan-backed terrorists were involved in the attack and initially claimed that weapons recovered from them bore Pakistani markings. However, this assertion was debunked by the Indian media itself, forcing the Indian DGMO to retract the claim.

Since then, frequent episodes of firing have been reported by the Pakistan military on the Line of Control. The escalation continued when India claimed it carried out "surgical strikes" across the control line on Sept 29, claims Pakistan rejected as baseless.

Certain sections of Indian media have reported prominently that Pakistan has sentenced a former Indian naval officer to death.

Jadhav's earlier confessional statement was aired by then ISPR head Lt Gen Asim Bajwa, in which he admitted to involvement in terror activities in Balochistan and Karachi.

Terming the Indian spy's arrest a 'big achievement', Bajwa said at the time that Jadhav was directly handled by the RAW chief, the Indian National Security Adviser and the RAW joint secretary.

"His goal was to disrupt development of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), with Gwadar port as a special target," Bajwa had said, adding, "This is nothing short of state-sponsored terrorism... There can be no clearer evidence of Indian interference in Pakistan."

"If an intelligence or an armed forces officer of this rank is arrested in another country, it is a big achievement," Bajwa had said, before going on to play a video of Jadhav confessing to Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) involvement in Balochistan separatist activities in Pakistan.
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Expect State Mourning to be announced in India on the death sentence for their hero.

Massive protests to occur at anytime to free their innocent National ( just like Sarabjeet)
 
Well done Pak Army.

Nawaz Sharif announced 3 day mourning over death sentence of Kalbushan Jadhav.
 
I guess it's better than rotting away in an enemy jail for the rest of your life.
 
Expect State Mourning to be announced in India on the death sentence for their hero.

Massive protests to occur at anytime to free their innocent National ( just like Sarabjeet)

I am expecting mourning in Raiwind too. I can't even remember the last time Nawaz said anything on this issue just to make his buddies on other side of border happy.
 
Judging by the comments, it seems Kubhushan was rather close to Nawaz bhai.. :sharif
 
Hopefully we can do something like a blood money swap that Pak was generous to offer for Raymond Davis ?
 
I'm skeptical this will be carried out. The man provides too much leverage to Pakistani authorities.
 
This is the response of Indian government -

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lol he was kidnapped? then what was he doing with a fake identity? lol.

by the way a retired colonel has been kidnapped from Nepal by RAW and could be used as leverage.
 
ISLAMABAD: A retired Pakistan Army officer has mysteriously gone missing while visiting Nepal for a job interview.

The officer, identified as retired Lt Col Mohammad Habib, has been untraceable since Thursday (April 6) from Lumbini, a Nepalese town near the Indian border and a Buddhist pilgrimage site, soon after his arrival there. He last contacted his family on Thursday afternoon and since then his phone numbers have not been reachable.

Col Habib’s family reported his disappearance to the Foreign Office after not having been able to reach him. He is feared to have been abducted, a source said.

“We wrote to the Nepalese foreign ministry about the missing Pakistani national on Friday, but we have yet to hear back from them,” Pakistani charge d’affaires Javed Imrani told Dawn over the phone from Kathmandu on Saturday.

The story about the disappearance of the former military officer first surfaced in WhatsApp groups of retired military officers and was subsequently picked up by the media.

The colonel, who reportedly retired in October 2014 and belonged to artillery, was currently employed with a private firm in Pakistan and had posted his CV online in search of employment.

According to the publicly available account of the events preceding his disappearance, somebody by the name of Mark Thompson had contacted him both via email and telephone for a job interview in Nepal for which he [Col Habib] was also provided an air ticket.

Col Habib departed from Lahore on Wednesday, reaching Kathmandu on Thursday from where he immediately flew to Lumbini. In Kathmandu, the information coming from retired army officers groups and verified by military sources reveals, he was provided a Nepalese cellphone SIM card by one Javed Ansari, who received him there.

The last message that he sent from Lumbini said that he had reached his destination.

Subsequent probing by his family and friends shows that the UK telephone number from which he had received telephone call for the interview was a computer-generated one, while the email domain and its associated website were registered in India. This has prompted concerns that the Indian spy agency RAW could have been behind the abduction plot.

India has always maintained strong influence in Nepal both as the Himalayan country’s main economic and defence partner. Nepalese soldiers are trained in India, which also supplies arms to Nepal. Critics describe India’s relationship with Nepal as ‘semi-colonial’.

India runs its influence in Nepal through RAW. The Nepalese government last year in May cancelled President Bidya Bhandari’s visit to India accusing RAW of backing attempts to topple it. The crisis in the relationship was later managed and RAW retained its foothold there. And as Prof Micheal Hutt, who teaches Nepali and Himalayan Studies at University of London, sometime back told BBC: “India has been a political player in Nepal as much as any Nepali political party.”

A serving RAW officer Kulbhushan Jadhav, who is originally from India, was caught in Pakistan last year and has been accused of involvement with subversive activities here.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1325799/mystery-as-retired-army-officer-goes-missing-in-nepal

So India tried to do something similar but Pak army acted first.
 
lol he was kidnapped? then what was he doing with a fake identity? lol.

by the way a retired colonel has been kidnapped from Nepal by RAW and could be used as leverage.

It seems that is the reason for prompt announcement of death sentence. Indians have kidnapped a harmless jobless colonel to get a terrorist freed, in their bid for a swap.
 
Great! This is the only language they understand otherwise they will keep sending terrorists like Sarbjit Singh and Kulbushan too kill innocents in Pak. He was caught red handed in Baluchistan encouraging terrorists to go to war against the state. He is responsible for killing many innocent Pakistanis and should not be spared, I am confident he will not be. Look at how pathetically Indian channels are beating their chests in complete helplessness. Nawaz Sharif who under massive pressure over Panama is in no position to come to his help. Kulbushan Yadav should be executed in public so that the entire country can watch and so can India live on TV!
 
Apparently all Indians are RAW agents.

Death sentence given without a shred of evidence. Only Pakistan is capable of pulling off this farce.
 
India will go out of its way to save Yadav from death row: Sushma Swaraj

Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj on Tuesday said New Delhi will go “out of the way” Kulbushan Yadav, an Indian spy who was awarded death sentence in Pakistan.

Addressing Yadav as “a son of India”, Swaraj warned the Pakistan government “to consider the consequences for our bilateral relationship if they proceed on this matter,” Hindustan Times quoted her as saying before the Parliament.

“Charges against Yadav are ‘concocted’, said Sushma, adding that “There is no evidence of wrong-doing by him.”

Addressing the Parliament on Tuesday, Indian Home Minister Rajnath Singh said Yadav has a valid Indian visa, hence cannot be categorised as a spy.

Hours after Yadav was awarded death sentence by a military court, India denied the charge, and said the hanging will be “premeditated murder” if carried out.

Yadav – who was caught from Balochistan last year and who has confessed to fomenting terrorism in Pakistan – was awarded death penalty in an unprecedented decision that immediately sparked a bitter diplomatic spat between the two hostile neighbours.

“The spy [Kulbushan Yadav] has been tried through the Field General Court Martial (FGCM) under the Pakistan Army Act (PAA) and awarded the death sentence,” the military announced on Monday through a statement issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).

“Today, the COAS [chief of army staff] Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa confirmed the death sentence awarded by [the] FGCM,” the military’s media wing added.

Identified as Kulbushan Sudhir Yadav, the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) agent had been operating in Pakistan disguised as Hussein Mubarak Patel and was tried on charges of espionage and sabotage activities in Pakistan.

Yadav was arrested on March 3 last year during a counter-intelligence operation from the Mashkel area of Balochistan. A few weeks later, the army had released his recorded confessional statement in which he had admitted to have been working for RAW to stoke unrest and instability in Pakistan.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1380561/india-will-go-way-save-yadhav-death-row-swaraj/
 
There is no difference between Indian backed RAW agents and indigenous Islamist terrorists, they are both hell bent on destabilising Pakistan and should be punished in the same way.
It's been going on for decades, but I now feel that a Major military war between Pak and India is imminent.
The conditions are perfect with a Hindu Extremist in power aided by support from a Right wing Trump and Zionist Netanayu.
It will be a miracle if this War does not kick off in the next 4 years.
 
Hopefully he will be executed soon. Its a lot of fun seeing Indian news anchors have a complete meltdown.
 
Hopefully he will be executed soon. Its a lot of fun seeing Indian news anchors have a complete meltdown.



And what if what the Indian media is saying is true? And he was innocent? You are having fun at the expense of someone's life shows what kind of a person you are..
 
The man is a terrorist. He deserves no sympathy.


If he is then sure however from the statements made by Indian government it seems Pakistani counterparts framed him to please their general populace.. of course India would never accept if he was guilty so you never know what's right and what's wrong
 
If he is then sure however from the statements made by Indian government it seems Pakistani counterparts framed him to please their general populace.. of course India would never accept if he was guilty so you never know what's right and what's wrong

Framed or not, his fate was always going to be Pakistani govt's call the moment he entered Pakistan as a spy. Fair trial demands from India seem quite delusional, specially when we accuse the same country of harboring terrorism. If they didn't care then, why would they care now?
 
Framed or not, his fate was always going to be Pakistani govt's call the moment he entered Pakistan as a spy. Fair trial demands from India seem quite delusional, specially when we accuse the same country of harboring terrorism. If they didn't care then, why would they care now?

Agreed. I dont think Pakistan would pick a random guy and prosecute him. Definitely he was not doing all the right things in Pakistan. This is the same case of any Pak agents caught in India. I am not implicating anyone but flip side of a new generation wars.

Having said that, all we need is to have him go through regular courts rather than military court because sometime back Sartaz Aziz said they dont have enough proof to fully prosecute him.
 
There is no difference between Indian backed RAW agents and indigenous Islamist terrorists, they are both hell bent on destabilising Pakistan and should be punished in the same way.
It's been going on for decades, but I now feel that a Major military war between Pak and India is imminent.
The conditions are perfect with a Hindu Extremist in power aided by support from a Right wing Trump and Zionist Netanayu.
It will be a miracle if this War does not kick off in the next 4 years.

this was told exactly after 2008 and the twice 4 year timelines have passed
 
Jadhav is in Pakistani territory and Pakistan is free to apply whatever law they want to.Fair trial unfair trial innocent guilty are meaningless terms here.Their country their rules they are free to do whatever they want.

Whether he was kidnapped from Iran etc etc is a useless debate.He is Pakistani custody and what they think matters.

Just as what we do in India is our and our concern only.
 
Jadhav is in Pakistani territory and Pakistan is free to apply whatever law they want to.Fair trial unfair trial innocent guilty are meaningless terms here.Their country their rules they are free to do whatever they want.

Whether he was kidnapped from Iran etc etc is a useless debate.He is Pakistani custody and what they think matters.

Just as what we do in India is our and our concern only.

fair point. I thought sometime back sartaz aziz told in some news that he did not have enough evidence to form a dossier. But as you said he is in Pak land and their rules should be applicable irrespective.
 
It all depends on what Pakistan feels is right way to prosecute him, India can only pass on statement in this matter, no action can be taken. However, the ex-Pak Army who was caught in Nepal will also get executed if he is indeed in R&AW custody. Mark it, his execution is coming along.
 
Framed or not, his fate was always going to be Pakistani govt's call the moment he entered Pakistan as a spy. Fair trial demands from India seem quite delusional, specially when we accuse the same country of harboring terrorism. If they didn't care then, why would they care now?


That's the whole point which Indian government is trying to make, he was abducted from Iran.. He didn't enter Pakistan as a spy.. Point is no one knows what is the truth but if he is innocent then the people who framed him are worse than terrorists, if he is a terrrorist himself then he deserves his fate..
 
That's the whole point which Indian government is trying to make, he was abducted from Iran.. He didn't enter Pakistan as a spy.. Point is no one knows what is the truth but if he is innocent then the people who framed him are worse than terrorists, if he is a terrrorist himself then he deserves his fate..

I dont think that may be true because if that is the case they could have kidnapped any TDH Indian from anywhere in Afg and kept calling them Spy.
 
The question is simple : what was an Indian Naval officer doing in Baluchistan of all places? Are Indians too naive to think that he was doing some social service in the region?
 
The question is simple : what was an Indian Naval officer doing in Baluchistan of all places? Are Indians too naive to think that he was doing some social service in the region?

True and most of us if you see support Pakistan to apply their rule of land.
 
Mr. Jadhav is still lucky that he will be executed by state, not like poor Sarabjit who was killed by fellow inmates in jail.
 
If he has received a fair trial, that's fine. BTW, no Pakistani spy has ever been sentenced to death in India.
 
RAW should read a copy of how to spy 101. What kind of intelligence agency sends an agent on a clandestine mission with a passport from their own country.
 
Pakistan should provide evidence. If they provide evidence, they shoulf come under any pressure by anyone and go through with the hanging of this guy.

If their is no evidence, dont hang an innocent.

These things go without saying but we dont live in an ideal world.
 
RAW should read a copy of how to spy 101. What kind of intelligence agency sends an agent on a clandestine mission with a passport from their own country.

Even the ones writing a bollywood movie seem to be more smarter than RAW spies atleast w.r.t case.
 
RAW should read a copy of how to spy 101. What kind of intelligence agency sends an agent on a clandestine mission with a passport from their own country.

Even the ones writing a bollywood movie seem to be more smarter than RAW spies atleast w.r.t case.

Not too dissimilar to how every terrorist in India ends up with a Pakistani passport and communiques with ISI, eh?
 
Not too dissimilar to how every terrorist in India ends up with a Pakistani passport and communiques with ISI, eh?

True but they are killed on field in gunfight,not kidnapped and then made to speak.
 
True but they are killed on field in gunfight,not kidnapped and then made to speak.

...either method does nothing for anyone's credibility. Infact its much easier to set-up fake passports on dead bodies killed in gunfights than someone confessing on camera.
 
...either method does nothing for anyone's credibility. Infact its much easier to set-up fake passports on dead bodies killed in gunfights than someone confessing on camera.

Yes but see the thing is India is not denying that he is an Indian national here and the action of person involved in violence(when occurs in India) is atleast provable but this doesn't seem to be the case on this situation because its all words.
 
Yes but see the thing is India is not denying that he is an Indian national here and the action of person involved in violence(when occurs in India) is atleast provable but this doesn't seem to be the case on this situation because its all words.

And you have every right to doubt the story, being an Indian. What I was commenting on was making the comments that ''hey why would RAW be so incompetent as to leave their own agents with their passports'' when Indians regularly use the claims of apparent Pakistani passports found on terrorists in India to say that their stories are legitimate.
 
RAW should read a copy of how to spy 101. What kind of intelligence agency sends an agent on a clandestine mission with a passport from their own country.

1. India regularly makes claims about Pakistani passports found on ISI agents or dead terrorists.
2. The passport recovered from the terrorist Yadav is not claimed to be an Indian passport by Pakistani authorities, but instead a fake foreign passport.
 
That's the whole point which Indian government is trying to make, he was abducted from Iran.. He didn't enter Pakistan as a spy.. Point is no one knows what is the truth but if he is innocent then the people who framed him are worse than terrorists, if he is a terrrorist himself then he deserves his fate..

This is a silly argument. Abducting from Iran would require support from the Iranian state. Why would Iran do that? There are plenty of Indians traveling to Pakistan if they want to frame someone. Plus, why did he have a fake passport? If you don't want to believe that evidence then you're just in denial. You guys are some of the biggest conspiracy theorists one ever comes across.
 
Good terrorist bad terrorist ultimately it causes more harm to them than us.. You would have thought they would learn from their mistakes but..

Good terrorists bad terrorists? Your country was the one that invented that. Mukhti Bahni, LTTE, etc being good terrorists of course.
 
In protest against death for Jadhav, India not to release 12 Pakistan prisoners

They were to be repatriated this week.

Angered by Pakistan’s decision to award the death sentence to Kulbushan Jadhav, a top government official said on Monday that India would stall the release of 12 Pakistani prisoners, who were to be repatriated this week.

India took the decision after Pakistan army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa approved the death sentence for Jadhav, who was arrested in March 2016, allegedly in Balochistan for alleged "espionage and sabotage" activities.

The repatriation of Pakistani prisoners who had completed their sentences has been in practice since 2008 when India and Pakistan signed a joint agreement. Since May 2014, when the NDA government came to power, around 80 Pakistani prisoners were deported after serving their sentences.

“It is not the right time for the release of Pakistani prisoners. We are planning harsher steps to protest the death sentence to Jadhav,” said the official.

The death sentence to Jadhav, 46, was confirmed by the Pakistan army chief after the Field General Court Martial (FGCM) found him guilty of "all the charges", as stated by the military's media wing, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), in Rawalpindi.

Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar summoned the Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit and issued a strongly worded demarche.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...lease-pakistani-prisoners/article17908903.ece

Refusing to release Prisoners in protest to the judgment made by the Military Court to sentence Kulbushan Yadhav to death. Some of these prisoners include Ordinary Fishermen who have served their time but are being denied justice .
 
Not at all.Follow your law.

But then stop telling us what law we follow in our country.

Why do you get so bent out of shape and repeat the same nonsense every time. Giving an opinion, discussing and criticizing anything related to India isn't the same as telling you to change the law because a Pakistani criticized, gave opinion or discussed it on a Pakistani forum.

it is the law of your land, when you elect a radical Hindu extremist who openly suggest to kill every Muslim, and when over rated singer who suggest to hang every Pakistani then we are just discussing that how stupid and backward it is to spew this crap, it doesn't mean we are telling you to change the law.
 
They have the right to do that. There are many Indians in Pak prisons as well. I don't see what there problem is when they keep harping about all terrorists being the same. We don't need their permission to hang Kulbushan.
 
He is not your normal spy who came here to gather information. He has played his part in spreading terrorism.
 
They have the right to do that. There are many Indians in Pak prisons as well. I don't see what there problem is when they keep harping about all terrorists being the same. We don't need their permission to hang Kulbushan.

For India though, ALL Pakistanis (including cricket team) are terrorists and all these Ajit Dovals and Kalbhushans are heroes who are fighting evil Pakistanis by killing them all in their own homes, mosques, markets.
 
For India though, ALL Pakistanis (including cricket team) are terrorists and all these Ajit Dovals and Kalbhushans are heroes who are fighting evil Pakistanis by killing them all in their own homes, mosques, markets.

I agree. Thing is that in ther eyes India can never be wrong. They are crying over not being given access to Kulbushan when they did not give us access to Ajmal Kasab who they claimed was Pakistani. Now they are in no position to complain when Pak does the same thing. They want divine evidence that Kulbushan is guilty as sin that can not be provided. Here is a video of another RAW terrorist who admitted being an agent back in India after serving his punishment. Kulbushan must hang like Sarabjit, Pakistan and it's people demand it! It is human nature to claim innocence when you are caught red handed. If Kulbushan was a nobody then why this outburst in India over his punishment? Pak has caught a really important terrorist here hence their anger.

 
I agree. Thing is that in ther eyes India can never be wrong. They are crying over not being given access to Kulbushan when they did not give us access to Ajmal Kasab who they claimed was Pakistani. Now they are in no position to complain when Pak does the same thing. They want divine evidence that Kulbushan is guilty as sin that can not be provided. Here is a video of another RAW terrorist who admitted being an agent back in India after serving his punishment. Kulbushan must hang like Sarabjit, Pakistan and it's people demand it! It is human nature to claim innocence when you are caught red handed. If Kulbushan was a nobody then why this outburst in India over his punishment? Pak has caught a really important terrorist here hence their anger.


Ajmal claimed to be Pakistani ? Lol His DNA samples were provided and his family in Pakistan confessed to it. Unlike Pakistan , India doesn't run away , We own our people and Kulbhushan is proudly Indian and we will fight for him. How many bodies of Pakistani soldiers killed by India did Pakistan refused to take ? If you don't honor your own soldiers and decline to take their bodies , Pakistan will accept their terrorists ? What a joke
 
I agree. Thing is that in ther eyes India can never be wrong. They are crying over not being given access to Kulbushan when they did not give us access to Ajmal Kasab who they claimed was Pakistani. Now they are in no position to complain when Pak does the same thing. They want divine evidence that Kulbushan is guilty as sin that can not be provided. Here is a video of another RAW terrorist who admitted being an agent back in India after serving his punishment. Kulbushan must hang like Sarabjit, Pakistan and it's people demand it! It is human nature to claim innocence when you are caught red handed. If Kulbushan was a nobody then why this outburst in India over his punishment? Pak has caught a really important terrorist here hence their anger.


Well Modi's security advisor Ajit Doval admitted living in Pakistan for 10 years spying for India and promised to strike Pakistan using offensive defence especially fuelling terrorism in Balochistan.
As i said in other thread, if Pakistan had kidnapped an ex Navy officer from Iran then surely we would have heard from India much before Pakistan presented him in front of the world.
Practically they are saying that their good terrorist was on peace mission in Pakistan fighting for Bharat maata so Pakistan must send him back completely forgetting their sponsored terrorists are killing hundreds of innocent people in Pakistan.
 
Why do you get so bent out of shape and repeat the same nonsense every time. Giving an opinion, discussing and criticizing anything related to India isn't the same as telling you to change the law because a Pakistani criticized, gave opinion or discussed it on a Pakistani forum.

it is the law of your land, when you elect a radical Hindu extremist who openly suggest to kill every Muslim, and when over rated singer who suggest to hang every Pakistani then we are just discussing that how stupid and backward it is to spew this crap, it doesn't mean we are telling you to change the law.

My stand remains same in both cases.I told the Indians here that saying Jadhav didnt get a fair trial or that he was denied consular access in violation of international law or that he was kidnapped from Iran etc is meaning less as he is in Pakistan's custody and what Pakistan thinks only that matters.I am not telling you whether its wrong or crap or backward or illegal.Its Pakistans law and sole concern of Pakistanis.

Similarly who we elect is sole concern of ours and no one else's.Good Bad Ugly he is sole concern of Indians and Indians only.Mind your own country.As simple as that.
 
Apparently all Indians are RAW agents.

Death sentence given without a shred of evidence. Only Pakistan is capable of pulling off this farce.

Innocent Indian guy, went to Blauchistan for honeymoon and got caught for spying, my heart goes out to him. Changed his name on his passport for fun, whats the big deal .
 
Innocent Indian guy, went to Blauchistan for honeymoon and got caught for spying, my heart goes out to him. Changed his name on his passport for fun, whats the big deal .

Also was chilling in Baluchistan without a visa permit. No biggie... just your average honeymooner.
 
Ajmal claimed to be Pakistani ? Lol His DNA samples were provided and his family in Pakistan confessed to it. Unlike Pakistan , India doesn't run away , We own our people and Kulbhushan is proudly Indian and we will fight for him. How many bodies of Pakistani soldiers killed by India did Pakistan refused to take ? If you don't honor your own soldiers and decline to take their bodies , Pakistan will accept their terrorists ? What a joke

O f course you run away like the cowards you are. You claimed that Ajmal was Pakistani then refused to allow us to interrogate him when we asked to see him. No you don't claim many of your terrorists in Pakistan, you do the ones who have been well exposed. Yes, Pak takes many of it's soldiers but in war it is not possible to claim every body as is the nature of war. You just deny when caught red handed that you are terrorists, we are gonna hang this Indian terrorist no matter how much you cry.
 
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O f course you run away like the cowards you are. You claimed that Ajmal was Pakistani then refused to allow us to interrogate him when we asked to see him. No you don't claim many of your terrorists in Pakistan, you do the ones who have been well exposed. Yes, Pak takes many of it's soldiers but in war it is not possible to claim every body as is the nature of war. You just deny when caught red handed that you are terrorists, we are gonna hang this Indian terrorist no matter how much you cry.

Kasab was a Pakistani and thats a accepted official stance of the Pakistani govt.You can keep denying it wont change the reality.

Pakistan refused to accept the bodies if its soldiers in Kargil saying they were Mujahids and not soldiers.Another reality.

What we do in India is no concern of anyone but Indians.Just like what you do in Pakistan is none of Indias.Just like what you do with Jadhav in Pakistan,whether legal or illegal fair or unfair is Pakistans concern
 
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And you have every right to doubt the story, being an Indian. What I was commenting on was making the comments that ''hey why would RAW be so incompetent as to leave their own agents with their passports'' when Indians regularly use the claims of apparent Pakistani passports found on terrorists in India to say that their stories are legitimate.

1. India regularly makes claims about Pakistani passports found on ISI agents or dead terrorists.
2. The passport recovered from the terrorist Yadav is not claimed to be an Indian passport by Pakistani authorities, but instead a fake foreign passport.

The issue here is not credibility of where he is from,but the credibility of his actions,when India brings out such lazy proofs atleast the action of the individual is credible as most of the time they die on the field.

Hope you are getting the point trying to make here,its about credibility of actions,India already has accepted his nationality.
 
this was told exactly after 2008 and the twice 4 year timelines have passed
Modi was not Prime Minister then.
He is now, and he has the potential to be a dangerous War warmongering Hindu Extremist in my opinion.
Despite the cover-up, we got a taste of what he is capable of in Gujerat.
 
The issue here is not credibility of where he is from,but the credibility of his actions,when India brings out such lazy proofs atleast the action of the individual is credible as most of the time they die on the field.

Hope you are getting the point trying to make here,its about credibility of actions,India already has accepted his nationality.

Them dying on the field is pointless, they could be extremist Indians or Kashmiris sick of Indian nonsense for all we know. But you use passports, that apparently they carry, to legitimize their links to Pakistan. If you laugh at the claim that RAW would send their agents with Indian passports but dead 'Pakistani' terrorists carrying Pakistani passports (when they know they'll die and said passports will used to link them back to their country) is equally if not more preposterous.

Nothing to do with credibility nonsense here, you're just indulging in word salads after making an absurd point where you specifically agreed with someone mentioning the ridiculousness of passports. Hence my reply to you was on that.

Shame, from one of the best Indian posters to now reduced to trolling.
 
Modi was not Prime Minister then.
He is now, and he has the potential to be a dangerous War warmongering Hindu Extremist in my opinion.
Despite the cover-up, we got a taste of what he is capable of in Gujerat.

ok 3 years is already over since current govt took over. wait for 1 more year and then wait for 2nd 4 year window.

Gujrat is India's internal matter.
 
Them dying on the field is pointless, they could be extremist Indians or Kashmiris sick of Indian nonsense for all we know. But you use passports, that apparently they carry, to legitimize their links to Pakistan. If you laugh at the claim that RAW would send their agents with Indian passports but dead 'Pakistani' terrorists carrying Pakistani passports (when they know they'll die and said passports will used to link them back to their country) is equally if not more preposterous.

Nothing to do with credibility nonsense here, you're just indulging in word salads after making an absurd point where you specifically agreed with someone mentioning the ridiculousness of passports. Hence my reply to you was on that.

Shame, from one of the best Indian posters to now reduced to trolling.

How is this trolling.Have already agreed that the proof of nationality which both countries bring forward is at best a joke but in this case specific to credibility of violence is also dodgy here which is just a point bein made because he has been given death sentence.

Most of the time when Raw and Isi link is given to 'dead' or alive terrorists irrespective of their nationality their actions are never doubted upon because they are killed or caught in process when indulging in violence.
 
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Pakistan refused to accept the bodies if its soldiers in Kargil saying they were Mujahids and not soldiers.Another reality.

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I remember that, that was the lowest of the lowest by Pakistan, denying honor to the soldiers that laid down their lives for the country......
 
What do you expect from a country that elects criminals like Modi into office.

A thug will always be a thug.

They just can't stomach the fact one of their spy and trouble makers was caught red handed so now they want to vent their fury on irrelevant nonsense.
 
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