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Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav sought to create anarchy in Pakistan at Delhi's behest, ICJ told

ICJ stays Jadhav's execution, accepts Indian appeal for suspension

The UN's top court on Thursday announced its ruling on an urgent bid by India to stop Pakistan from carrying out a death sentence on one of its nationals convicted of spying.

Rejecting Pakistan's argument that the court did not have jurisdiction, the court said it would hear the case and seek arguments from both sides.

"[Meanwhile] Pakistan should take all measures to ensure that Mr Jadhav is not executed till the final decision of this court," the court said.

"India has the right to seek consular access for Jadhav," it also added.

More - https://www.dawn.com/news/1333922/icj-stays-jadhavs-execution-accepts-indian-appeal-for-suspension
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Nice.
 
Should be executed and will be executed. I would've preferred a public execution but you can't always get what you want.
 
So the International court defending a terrorist aye? What a disgrace. Still should and will be hanged. He has blood on his hands.
 
Good decision, counselor access should have been provided to him by Pakistan. Now it will be very embarrassing if he has already been executed !!!
 
Smiling Creed said:
Good decision, counselor access should have been provided to him by Pakistan. Now it will be very embarrassing if he has already been executed !!!
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The only thing embarrassing here is an International court defending a self-admitted terrorist. I for one hope he has already been executed because that is what he deserves.
 
Enigma_ said:
The only thing embarrassing here is an International court defending a self-admitted terrorist. .
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Woahhh Morality, word 'terrorist' being used by a Pakistani whose country allowed Osama Bin Laden staying as the guest of honor :angel:
 
Romali_rotti said:
Woahhh Morality, word 'terrorist' being used by a Pakistani whose country allowed Osama Bin Laden staying as the guest of honor :angel:
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Here we go. All the Indians will now show up I am sure to defend a terrorist. But what more can you expect from citizens of a nation that elect a terrorist as their leader. The decision isn't even final anyway.
 
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ExpressPacer said:
Should be executed and will be executed. I would've preferred a public execution but you can't always get what you want.
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pakistan cricket fan said:
This guy innocent pakistanis blood on his hand:po:
And some indians are defending him:facepalm::facepalm:
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Enigma_ said:
So the International court defending a terrorist aye? What a disgrace. Still should and will be hanged. He has blood on his hands.
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Smiling Creed said:
Good decision, counselor access should have been provided to him by Pakistan. Now it will be very embarrassing if he has already been executed !!!
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Enigma_ said:
The only thing embarrassing here is an International court defending a self-admitted terrorist. I for one hope he has already been executed because that is what he deserves.
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We can wait for few months. Let us see the evidence we present in ICJ. Let's see if its accepted by ICJ or not. In case it's accepted and he is guilty with him being behind planning or killing or both of Pakistani citizens than indeed he should be executed.


As per Samaa Tv we have been embarassed today at ICJ. This channel as soft corner for Establishment. They were saying that we failed to present our case in a better way infront of ICJ and we did not study laws/clauses properly.


One thing is stamped again. Government should have hold of foreign office whether Zardari or Nawaz or anyone else is in power. Establishment has nothing to do with it. Yes they can advice but they cannot head, cannot dictate.


Us not giving Consular Access has been proved to be a mistake or wrong move.


As far as him being a " self-admitted terrorist " is concerned, well Ishaq Dar confessed infront of NAB that he did money laundering for NS. Now He says he gave that statement as he was pressurised by agencies than. Same could be the plea of Jadhav aswell.


Hope Justice prevails.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
We can wait for few months. Let us see the evidence we present in ICJ. Let's see if its accepted by ICJ or not. In case it's accepted and he is guilty with him being behind planning or killing or both of Pakistani citizens than indeed he should be executed.


As per Samaa Tv we have been embarassed today at ICJ. This channel as soft corner for Establishment. They were saying that we failed to present our case in a better way infront of ICJ and we did not study laws/clauses properly.


One thing is stamped again. Government should have hold of foreign office whether Zardari or Nawaz or anyone else is in power. Establishment has nothing to do with it. Yes they can advice but they cannot head, cannot dictate.


Us not giving Consular Access has been proved to be a mistake or wrong move.


As far as him being a " self-admitted terrorist " is concerned, well Ishaq Dar confessed infront of NAB that he did money laundering for NS. Now He says he gave that statement as he was pressurised by agencies than. Same could be the plea of Jadhav aswell.


Hope Justice prevails.
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Our domestic justice system is not that strong. This is the international court we are talking about. You can't justify the decision when there is video evidence and official documents proving his espionage and nationality. Anywho the ICJ has been disobeyed by states on many occasions and this will be the case again. This is obstruction of Justice.
 
Enigma_ said:
Here we go. All the Indians will now show up I am sure to defend a terrorist. But what more can you expect from citizens of a nation that elect a terrorist as their leader. The decision isn't even final anyway.
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I feel Pakistan as usual acted like well the Pakistan which we are all used to seeing, they had to announce to the whole world when they captured Yadav. If they had credible evidence they should have just executed him without uttering a peep, but NO!!! they wanted to look like hero's and now falling into the hole they dug......
 
Enigma_ said:
Here we go. All the Indians will now show up I am sure to defend a terrorist. But what more can you expect from citizens of a nation that elect a terrorist as their leader. The decision isn't even final anyway.
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Calm down man! You guys crying about terrorism doesn't suit you, a country which was babysitting Osama Bin Laden, a country which still gives free pass to people like Dawood Ibrahim, Hafeez Saeed , Masood Azhar.

ICJ have no fools as their judges. If they have given a verdict, they must have seen Indian POV. And rightly said decision isn't final. Hopefully Mr. Yadav will return home where his family is waiting for him provided he isn't already executed cowardly behind the curtains.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I feel Pakistan as usual acted like well the Pakistan which we are all used to seeing, they had to announce to the whole world when they captured Yadav. If they had credible evidence they should have just executed him without uttering a peep, but NO!!! they wanted to look like hero's and now falling into the hole they dug......
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What hole? Even with the Ruling this will probably be increased to the UN in which case it could take months or years to get the final decision. Not to mention a Veto from China would be nice; although I am not sure if that's how it works.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
We can wait for few months. Let us see the evidence we present in ICJ. Let's see if its accepted by ICJ or not. In case it's accepted and he is guilty with him being behind planning or killing or both of Pakistani citizens than indeed he should be executed.


As per Samaa Tv we have been embarassed today at ICJ. This channel as soft corner for Establishment. They were saying that we failed to present our case in a better way infront of ICJ and we did not study laws/clauses properly.


One thing is stamped again. Government should have hold of foreign office whether Zardari or Nawaz or anyone else is in power. Establishment has nothing to do with it. Yes they can advice but they cannot head, cannot dictate.


Us not giving Consular Access has been proved to be a mistake or wrong move.


As far as him being a " self-admitted terrorist " is concerned, well Ishaq Dar confessed infront of NAB that he did money laundering for NS. Now He says he gave that statement as he was pressurised by agencies than. Same could be the plea of Jadhav aswell.


Hope Justice prevails.
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Excellent post, let him be given a fair chance to defend himself and if he is guilty then he should be hanged publicly.
 
No court in the world takes video confession (given to Police) seriously.
And passports can be faked easily.

Pakistani never had a chance.
 
Kaptan said:
No court in the world takes video confession (given to Police) seriously.
And passports can be faked easily.

Pakistani never had a chance.
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If they don't take that seriously then what do they take into consideration? Text on law books?
 
Enigma_ said:
If they don't take that seriously then what do they take into consideration? Text on law books?
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Well, some actual evidence linking the accused to his crimes would be a start.

Its all very well conducting a trial by media, and saying he did it. But if we are so sure, it shouldn't be a problem to prove it.
 
Zahid87 said:
Well, some actual evidence linking the accused to his crimes would be a start.

Its all very well conducting a trial by media, and saying he did it. But if we are so sure, it shouldn't be a problem to prove it.
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He had been caught before he committed the act. So he was doing espionage and then he admits it on Camera and that's not good enough?
 
Enigma_ said:
He had been caught before he committed the act. So he was doing espionage and then he admits it on Camera and that's not good enough?
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There have been multiple claims that he has comitted or contributed towards several previous attacks. There should be evidence if this is indeed true.

A confession can be coerced. He could have made that video with a gun to his head. We have no idea what happened at the 'trial'.

The truth is everything in this case has been handled by the Army behind closed doors. The media have been fed the Army line. We know nothing further.

Again, if we are so convinced of his guilt, then present the evidence and let the ICJ pass verdict.
 
Zahid87 said:
There have been multiple claims that he has comitted or contributed towards several previous attacks. There should be evidence if this is indeed true.

A confession can be coerced. He could have made that video with a gun to his head. We have no idea what happened at the 'trial'.

The truth is everything in this case has been handled by the Army behind closed doors. The media have been fed the Army line. We know nothing further.

Again, if we are so convinced of his guilt, then present the evidence and let the ICJ pass verdict.
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It should be handled by the army behind closed doors. There should be no civil right for terrorists let alone those that come from a foreign country. And I agree if he has committed such acts (which I have not heard of btw) before then they should have been presented. As for the ICJ they barely hold any credibility. Most states in the past have virtually shrugged off their decision because they are stupid. Point in case here again.
 
uberkoen said:
I, for one, am glad this case went to ICJ. Justice should be done and no innocent person should be killed off. If he is what our government claims him to be then present the evidence and go ahead with the execution.
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+1. As a muslim justice is our main priority. Remember the judgement day how can we justify death of an innocent man.
 
Enigma_ said:
It should be handled by the army behind closed doors. There should be no civil right for terrorists let alone those that come from a foreign country. And I agree if he has committed such acts (which I have not heard of btw) before then they should have been presented. As for the ICJ they barely hold any credibility. Most states in the past have virtually shrugged off their decision because they are stupid. Point in case here again.
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Previously accused Indian spies were given civil trials. The truth is that the Army is posturing heavily in this case. Now it runs the risk of being embarrased.

Again, given how convinced everyone is of his guilt, let the evidence be presented, and see if/how 'justice' is carried out.

Unfortunately, I have much more faith in the ICJ, then the 'trial' carried out behind the Army's closed doors.
 
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Zahid87 said:
Previously accused Indian spies were given civil trials. The truth is that the Army is posturing heavily in this case. Now it runs the risk of being embarrased.

Again, given how convinced everyone is of his guilt, let the evidence be presented, and see if/how 'justice' is carried out.
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I find it hypocritical by all opposed to his sentence. If the Indian government presented the same and did give him the death sentence I can assure you that this wouldn't have occured. The ICJ would've ruled in favour and the same people that are now debating his self-admitted espionage claims would be saying they have proof. I hope Pakistan shows some back bone and hangs him. No sympathy for terrorists from me I am sorry but I just don't see it.
 
Enigma_ said:
It should be handled by the army behind closed doors. There should be no civil right for terrorists let alone those that come from a foreign country. And I agree if he has committed such acts (which I have not heard of btw) before then they should have been presented. As for the ICJ they barely hold any credibility. Most states in the past have virtually shrugged off their decision because they are stupid. Point in case here again.
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Well, if treatment of Osama, hafeez and Co are any indicator, Pakistani establishment disagrees with you.
 
aniket1911 said:
Well, if treatment of Osama, hafeez and Co are any indicator, Pakistani establishment disagrees with you.
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Hahaha I knew some Indian would come on and say this. You're the second one to do this. FWIW I agree they should be hanged too. But Jhadav should be hanged first as a demonstration to foreign nations, especially India, that subversive activity will not be tolerated.
 
Kaptan said:
No court in the world takes video confession (given to Police) seriously.
And passports can be faked easily.

Pakistani never had a chance.
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No court will take the Indian story that he was kidnapped from Iran seriously :))

International court of human rights should defend the rights of the people who died due to this RAW agents terrorism.....
 
Enigma_ said:
I find it hypocritical by all opposed to his sentence. If the Indian government presented the same and did give him the death sentence I can assure you that this wouldn't have occured. The ICJ would've ruled in favour and the same people that are now debating his self-admitted espionage claims would be saying they have proof. I hope Pakistan shows some back bone and hangs him. No sympathy for terrorists from me I am sorry but I just don't see it.
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Isn't there even a minuscule chance that "terrorist" claims against him have been fabricated? What is the issue in giving him a fair trial?? As it happens, anyone who has been caught by Police in subcontinent always sings like a canary to whatever tune Police wants, so his video taped confession is out of order.
 
We should've never accepted the jurisdiction by the ICJ. What a joke of an organisation that they are defending blatant terrorism.
 
uberkoen said:
I, for one, am glad this case went to ICJ. Justice should be done and no innocent person should be killed off. If he is what our government claims him to be then present the evidence and go ahead with the execution.
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It is better to free 10 criminals instead of hanging an innocent

Let him present his case, if he is guilty, hang him but hanging an innocent is worse of the worse you can do with someone.
 
Smiling Creed said:
Isn't there even a minuscule chance that "terrorist" claims against him have been fabricated? What is the issue in giving him a fair trial?? As it happens, anyone who has been caught by Police in subcontinent always sings like a canary to whatever tune Police wants, so his video taped confession is out of order.
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In the video there are no signs of distress so this claim of fabriaction is ridicilous and based on nothing but mistrust of the establishment. Which by the way is not a legal reason to falsify the evidence. And a trial has been given by the laws of the land on which he was caught and that's all the should matter.
 
Enigma_ said:
I find it hypocritical by all opposed to his sentence. If the Indian government presented the same and did give him the death sentence I can assure you that this wouldn't have occured. The ICJ would've ruled in favour and the same people that are now debating his self-admitted espionage claims would be saying they have proof. I hope Pakistan shows some back bone and hangs him. No sympathy for terrorists from me I am sorry but I just don't see it.
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There is no case to answer if/when etc, by the Indian government. It has not happened. So do not try and deflect by dealing with imaginary hypotheticals.

The ICJ has not made a ruling based on India vs Pakistan. It has made a ruling on the arguements presented before it. It would pass the same judgement on the same arguements no matter who is presenting the case.

Finally, I will repeat myself, if he is indeed guilty of comitting the crimes he is accused of, there should be ample evidence to support it.

Given that the Army feels it has enough evidence to sentence him to death, then there should be no problem convincing the ICJ. Why worry?
 
Zahid87 said:
There is no case to answer if/when etc, by the Indian government. It has not happened. So do not try and deflect by dealing with imaginary hypotheticals.

The ICJ has not made a ruling based on India vs Pakistan. It has made a ruling on the arguements presented before it. It would pass the same judgement on the same arguements no matter who is presenting the case.

Finally, I will repeat myself, if he is indeed guilty of comitting the crimes he is accused of, there should be ample evidence to support it.

Given that the Army feels it has enough evidence to sentence him to death, then there should be no problem convincing the ICJ. Why worry?
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I personally see no need to present the ICJ with anything. This is a national security issue. He should be hanged with or without the ICJs verdict in all honesty. And I am not deflecting I have presented my arguments well but apparently a video and documents proving that the terrorist was indeed involved in subversive activities is not enough for you and others.
 
Enigma_ said:
We should've never accepted the jurisdiction by the ICJ. What a joke of an organisation that they are defending blatant terrorism.
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Pakistan still has option not to comply with ICJ order and execute him......the question is will they????
 
Enigma_ said:
Hahaha I knew some Indian would come on and say this. You're the second one to do this. FWIW I agree they should be hanged too. But Jhadav should be hanged first as a demonstration to foreign nations, especially India, that subversive activity will not be tolerated.
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Well, I am glad that you agree that these scoundrels should be hanged.

In Jadhav's case, if he is indeed proven guilty by any neutral party or Pakistan have really strong evidence to persuade that he is involved in espionage then he should be hanged and no one would defend him but an innocent man shouldn't be harmed.
 
aniket1911 said:
Well, I am glad that you agree that these scoundrels should be hanged.

In Jadhav's case, if he is indeed proven guilty by any neutral party or Pakistan have really strong evidence to persuade that he is involved in espionage then he should be hanged and no one would defend him but an innocent man shouldn't be harmed.
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Ample evidence has already been given to the public but denied out of nothing but political hysteria and nationalism by the fellow Indians. We never should've accepted the ICJ, we did it out of good will but it has backfired.
 
Smiling Creed said:
I really hope that doesn't happens for Pakistan's own sake.
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What do you mean for our own sake? Is India going to attack Pakistan because of this or are they going to attempt to put sanctions on us? Good luck in both scenarios.
 
Enigma_ said:
What do you mean for our own sake? Is India going to attack Pakistan because of this or are they going to attempt to put sanctions on us? Good luck in both scenarios.
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No nothing like that, India is not going to attack. However, no one ever will trust Pakistan again, as Pakistan agreed to take the decision of ICJ, if they had issues, they shouldn't have faught the case in ICJ.
 
Smiling Creed said:
No nothing like that, India is not going to attack. However, no one ever will trust Pakistan again, as Pakistan agreed to take the decision of ICJ, if they had issues, they shouldn't have faught the case in ICJ.
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This won't be the first time that the ICJ has been disobeyed. And nothing of the sort will happen. You're delusional.
 
Enigma_ said:
I personally see no need to present the ICJ with anything. This is a national security issue. He should be hanged with or without the ICJs verdict in all honesty. And I am not deflecting I have presented my arguments well but apparently a video and documents proving that the terrorist was indeed involved in subversive activities is not enough for you and others.
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There was no need to agree to take the case to the ICJ in the first place. Now that it has been done, the case has to be fought.

You seem to have taken issue that things are not as clear cut as the Army and the media present to you. In your head Jhadav is already a convincted terrorist.

Like I said in a previous post, for me evidence presented in a closed door trial by the Army is questionable. If the evidence is clear then there is nothing to fear from the ICJ.
 
Smiling Creed said:
Pakistan still has option not to comply with ICJ order and execute him......the question is will they????
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They should for their own sake.If they refuse to accept any ICJ order , then that sets a precedent.

Tomorrow India could block the river sharing agreement and Pakistan will have no recourse then.
 
Zahid87 said:
There was no need to agree to take the case to the ICJ in the first place. Now that it has been done, the case has to be fought.

You seem to have taken issue that things are not as clear cut as the Army and the media present to you. In your head Jhadav is already a convincted terrorist.

Like I said in a previous post, for me evidence presented in a closed door trial by the Army is questionable. If the evidence is clear then there is nothing to fear from the ICJ.
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You're actually wrong. Even if the ICJ rules against us we don't have to follow through. Of course the issue will then be raised to the UN but that's not going to work out well for the Indians. As for being a convicted terrorist in my head that's absolutely true. The man admitted it himself.
 
Enigma_ said:
Ample evidence has already been given to the public but denied out of nothing but political hysteria and nationalism by the fellow Indians. We never should've accepted the ICJ, we did it out of good will but it has backfired.
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Refer to my old please:
In Jadhav's case, if he is indeed proven guilty by any neutral party or Pakistan have really strong evidence to persuade that he is involved in espionage.
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"Ample evidence" should be credible enough for neutral party to be considered "evidence".
 
aniket1911 said:
Refer to my old please:


"Ample evidence" should be credible enough for neutral party to be considered "evidence".
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The ICJs evidence criteria is a joke. What else do they want? Body bags of the people he's killed? They're a sham.
 
First - India will lose the case at ICJ, then - the news is fake haha, then - oh the news is correct? So what? We should defy ICJ. :)
 
Statsman said:
First - India will lose the case at ICJ, then - the news is fake haha, then - oh the news is correct? So what? We should defy ICJ. :)
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We were stupid to go to ICJ no doubt about it. Played right into Indian hands. Regardless he should be hanged.
 
Indian members here thinking Pakistan will comply with any court is hilarious. When have we ever complied with any of your chest-thumping UN resolutions? Pakistan does what it wants and India and Indians can keep crying about it. I'm expecting lots of back and forth resulting in nothing...Jhadhav won't be leaving Pakistan and will eventually be used for a swap or some kind of settlement with India.
 
Enigma_ said:
You're actually wrong. Even if the ICJ rules against us we don't have to follow through. Of course the issue will then be raised to the UN but that's not going to work out well for the Indians. As for being a convicted terrorist in my head that's absolutely true. The man admitted it himself.
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There is a moral obligation to follow through. Take from that what you will.

Let the ICJ consider the case and give a verdict first before you get all indignant. If there is sufficient evidence to prove he is involved in subverside activities, then they will rule in Pakistan's favour. Why worry? Unless you doubt the nature of the trial conducted by the Army.

On your point about the confession - as others have pointed out Jhadav can always claim that the confession was carried out under duress. It is not uncommon. There must be more evidence than that.
 
Zahid87 said:
There is a moral obligation to follow through. Take from that what you will.

Let the ICJ consider the case and give a verdict first before you get all indignant. If there is sufficient evidence to prove he is involved in subverside activities, then they will rule in Pakistan's favour. Why worry? Unless you doubt the nature of the trial conducted by the Army.

On your point about the confession - as others have pointed out Jhadav can always claim that the confession was carried out under duress. It is not uncommon. There must be more evidence than that.
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If we are talking about moral obligations then every nation on the planet has a lot moral obligations that they don't care about, including India. Let's not open that can of worms.

And I worry because the ICJ is wrong and a sham. There's a reason why no one really listens to them. Especially when it comes to matters of national security. We shouldn't have gone to them it was a stupid and unforgivable mistake.

Jhadav was not under duress. Unless we have the greatest film editors in the world there's no evidence that points to this except a general dislike and distrust of the establishment. Which again I will say is no legal reason to disregard the admittance.
 
Enigma_ said:
If we are talking about moral obligations then every nation on the planet has a lot moral obligations that they don't care about, including India. Let's not open that can of worms.

And I worry because the ICJ is wrong and a sham. There's a reason why no one really listens to them. Especially when it comes to matters of national security. We shouldn't have gone to them it was a stupid and unforgivable mistake.

Jhadav was not under duress. Unless we have the greatest film editors in the world there's no evidence that points to this except a general dislike and distrust of the establishment. Which again I will say is no legal reason to disregard the admittance.
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Wait for the verdict before calling it a sham. Nothing has been decided yet. Let's present a case first.

All I am saying is that it can be argued whether he was under duress and forced to make a confession. It hasn't even been argued yet! Let's wait for the actual case to be presented.

Although, there should be, or rather I hope that there is, more evidence than a confession video released at the behest of the Army. They must have more than that to say with 100% conviction that Jhadhav is a spy, and guilty of carrying out atrocities across Pakistan.
 
Zahid87 said:
Wait for the verdict before calling it a sham. Nothing has been decided yet. Let's present a case first.

All I am saying is that it can be argued whether he was under duress and forced to make a confession. It hasn't even been argued yet! Let's wait for the actual case to be presented.

Although, there should be, or rather I hope that there is, more evidence than a confession video released at the behest of the Army. They must have more than that to say with 100% conviction that Jhadhav is a spy, and guilty of carrying out atrocities across Pakistan.
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They probably do have more evidence. But this is a matter of national security. I just can't believe we let such an event go to the lengths of an international court. It should be decided right there and then and that's final. But cue the incompetence of Pakistani politicians.
 
I think people need to understand that releasing evidence publicly is not as straightforward a decision as you might think. It can tell the enemy your intelligence gathering tactics and how you go about entrapping people like Yadav. This is the very reason why several other countries, such as US, do not always release evidence publicly. Ideally you want to release the minimal amount of evidence necessary.
 
Enigma_ said:
They probably do have more evidence. But this is a matter of national security. I just can't believe we let such an event go to the lengths of an international court. It should be decided right there and then and that's final. But cue the incompetence of Pakistani politicians.
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Hmm...blame the polticians. The Army is given a free ride?
 
sshakir411 said:
Indian members here thinking Pakistan will comply with any court is hilarious. When have we ever complied with any of your chest-thumping UN resolutions? Pakistan does what it wants and India and Indians can keep crying about it. I'm expecting lots of back and forth resulting in nothing...Jhadhav won't be leaving Pakistan and will eventually be used for a swap or some kind of settlement with India.
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I absolutely agree with this
 
Enigma_ said:
There are no signs of distress in the video. By this criteria there will never be ample evidence.
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This is an absurd excuse, how can you see whether he was distressed or not? A gun to your head/ threat of torture can make you simply accept crimes with the most prideful
manner you can imagine and your argument is he wasn't distressed?

Evidence are stuff, which link your connection with non-state actors not this forceful confessions.

:facepalm
 
I think both India going to ICJ and Pakistan denying consular access was a mistake
 
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Why are we even discussing this. We need to execute the guy to show that Pakistan is no push overs and that we aint scared of nobody. Giving him back will show that we are weak whether he is innocent or not..China will back us up for sure..
 
No Indian has yet explained how Pakistan kidnapped him from Iran without Iran knowing anything about it :))

You'd have to be stupid to belive this fairytale by Indians to hide the fact that they are killing innocent Pakistanis in balochistan with their spies....
 
aniket1911 said:
This is an absurd excuse, how can you see whether he was distressed or not? A gun to your head/ threat of torture can make you simply accept crimes with the most prideful
manner you can imagine and your argument is he wasn't distressed?

Evidence are stuff, which link your connection with non-state actors not this forceful confessions.

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If Pakistan releases this guy he will go back to India and start bragging about killing innocent Pakistanis, just like Kashmir Singh.... If Pakistan released Kashmir Singh on humanitarian grounds then India should have executed him on humanitarian grounds... They didn't, which means there is no humanitarian ground when you're dealing with India and their spies.... Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...... This spy should be executed ASAP....
 
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If Pakistan releases this guy he will go back to India and start bragging about killing innocent Pakistanis, just like Kashmir Singh.... If Pakistan released Kashmir Singh on humanitarian grounds then India should have executed him on humanitarian grounds... They didn't, which means there is no humanitarian ground when you're dealing with India and their spies.... Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...... This spy should be executed ASAP....
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As I said earlier, it's better to release a criminal than to hang an innocent. I am not being hypocritic here as I would wish the same if any Pakistani spy is accused in India of terrorism and there is not enough evidence(concrete) to prosecute him.

He may very well be a spy but there's also an equally high chance that he is indeed innocent and he is paying for ego-trips of both countries with his life.
 
Yadav is a spy but i had a feeling that he was never going to be executed. In the end he will be released with NS and friends getting some juicy contract as a reward.
 
aniket1911 said:
As I said earlier, it's better to release a criminal than to hang an innocent. I am not being hypocritic here as I would wish the same if any Pakistani spy is accused in India of terrorism and there is not enough evidence(concrete) to prosecute him.

He may very well be a spy but there's also an equally high chance that he is indeed innocent and he is paying for ego-trips of both countries with his life.
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What was an innocent man doing in Balochistan???
 
aniket1911 said:
Indian accounts differ stating he was abducted from Iran where he owns cargo business.

It's one countries words against other.
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And where is Iran's record that Pak Army entered their territory and abducted some random indian guy because they felt like it? :))

One country's word against another? It's like saying that, if Pakistan says Mumbai attacks never happened, it's just one country's word against another.... There has to be some believability and standard of proof too.... You can't make up whatever you want and say ''our word against theirs''.... There is zero evidence that this Yadav spy was abducted from Iran.... Maybe he has an entry to Iran, every India spy enters Balochistan through Irani Balochistan, but no proof that he was in Iran the day he was supposedly abducted or that Pakistani army entered Iran on that day....

So, you have one fact: Pakistan has arrested an Indian guy in Balochistan.... This is a fact because Pakistan has him right now.... And then you have the Pakistani arguments to explain the fact: the guy confesses on videos, Pakistan has released people in the past who went back to India and said ''yes we were spies'', there is ample proof of RAW financing terror in Balochistan and sending spies there, there is record of this guy being in the army.... Then you have the indian argument to explain the fact: Pakistan army abducted this innocent guy from Iran (despite the fact that thousands of indians have been in Iran for decades with nobody touching them, despite the fact that Iran said nothing) who has nothing to do with RAW and they want to hang him because they're barbarians who hate India....

It's not one country's word against, there is one story that makes sense and another that is pure fiction out of Bollywood.... The ICJ isn't neutral and they don't like the death sentence, they didn't even give death sentence to people who committed genocide in Bosnia.... So they will likely give this guy a stay... But under Pakistani law and under Indian law, a spy like this should be sentenced to death.... This is how we have done things for the past 60 years, both Pakistan and India.... Now India wants to change the rules because they feel they can... This is typical case of eik to chori upar se sina zori...

If the ICJ gives India reason (which it will likely, it only gave 35 years to Rakto Mladic, why would it give death sentence to a spy caught in Pakistan? even though both India and Pakistan kill eachothers spies) then they should stick him in a cell in solitary confinement, in chains for the rest of his life with nobody to talk to ever.... Make him wish India didn't actually intervene...
 
He is going to be hung as per schedule in August 2017, nothing India or anyone else can do about it.
 
Syed1 said:
He is going to be hung as per schedule in August 2017, nothing India or anyone else can do about it.
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Are you sure about that? So you are saying that this freeze put on this terrorists execution means nothing?
 
I don't understand the hype around ICJ ruling, as if Pakistan was going to execute him in weeks or months? It was clear that the actual execution could be years away as there were few options to appeal.

Now the case has been highlighted all around the world. If Pakistan has all the proofs (which i think they have), they could easily expose India at international level.

I think eventually he will be executed regardless of the outcome, Indians are celebrating as if he has been declared innocent by ICJ and it confirms Kalbhushan was an innocent person picked up by ISI from Iran. There are thousands of Indians in Iran and Afghanistan who could be picked by ISI daily then why Kalbhushan?
How did Iran let this happen?
Why didn't India raise the issue of his disappearance?
Why did India even refuse to acknowledge initially he was Indian? (Even Indian journalist Rajdeep Sardesai confirmed this and also his fake passport. Needless to say Rajdeep got abused by Indians).
 
ExpressPacer said:
Should be executed and will be executed. I would've preferred a public execution but you can't always get what you want.
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Disgraceful comment. For all we know he could be innocent. For all we know he could have been tortured to confess what he did. Why not allow India consular access to him? This whole thing reeks.

I'm a Pakistani btw before you accuse me of anything. I find it disgraceful and disgusting that you would like a person who could potentially be innocent to be publicly executed
 
Enigma_ said:
The only thing embarrassing here is an International court defending a self-admitted terrorist. I for one hope he has already been executed because that is what he deserves.
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Another pathetic and disgraceful comment. How do you know he is a terrorist? How do you know that he wasn't tortured into a confession. If he was really a terrorist then why not allow consular access to India?
 
Enigma_ said:
In the video there are no signs of distress so this claim of fabriaction is ridicilous and based on nothing but mistrust of the establishment. Which by the way is not a legal reason to falsify the evidence. And a trial has been given by the laws of the land on which he was caught and that's all the should matter.
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Are you for real? There were no signs of distress? There are countless ways to torture a person without leaving any physical damage on the person's face or anywhere on his body for that matter. And in terms of signs of distress do you really think Pakistan would release a video where he is showing sign of distress? For all we know he could have been tortured for a few days and then given a few days off. For all we know he could have been threatened with further torture if he showed signs of distress. There are countless ways this could have been done. Seriously you're talking like a 5 year old
 
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