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Indian University Expels Kashmiris for Celebrating Pak Win [sedition charges dropped]

aamirzargar said:
Dogs can't be killed here. But humans of a particular faith can be. So basically, no. Dogs are treated better here :)
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Do you know indian forces are killing separatists believing in other religions in north east and red corridor.
 
Saeed said:
Maybe thats why democratically elected government can't respect their freedom of speech.
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They can do what ever they want in their state but when they are in a different state they got to respect the sentiments of others also.
 
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Saeed said:
What ever people say, kashmir is Pakistan just like crimea is russia.
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Lmao. Entire world is supporting Ukraine and your "brother" muslims are in most cases more India biased.

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aamirzargar said:
They don't ignore it. They simply don't care how many get killed. It doesn't make a difference whatsoever. As simple as that.
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Why isn't 5 lakh Kashmiri pundits haven't been safeguarded in Kashmir even after 20 years they are living in Jammu like cattle in relief camps? Why should anyone care if you guys don't allow your own state people? Just because they are Hindus? Isn't? You guys don't deserve any sympathy and we don't care for you narrow minded religious fanatics. Rot in hell.
 
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They love how pandits have been treated.

Lol these are the same guys that turn a blind eye to their Chinese overlords literally ethnically cleansing uighurs.

Only reason they care about kashmir separating they got a 40 year inferiority complex from losing half their country and now want India to suffer the same fate.

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Some of you Pakistanis sure are a funny lot; you talk about India discriminating against its minority to a degree where it is not possible for them to survive in India, yet we have a strong, Muslim minority which has a population quite possibly more than the entire Pakistani population and its still growing. SHOW ME how the Hindu & Christian minorities are living in Pakistan, stop throwing stones from that pathetic glass house of yours............ If you want to show concern show concern to that Myanmar Muslims in China who are being slaughtered by the Chinese,,,, OHH BUT you wont cause I forgot China is your master and THEY use you as a their lapdog to stir up trouble for India..............lol :))..
 
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4more j&k students and 2aligarh student expelled from sardha university Noida: headlines today
 
Romali_rotti said:
Some of you Pakistanis sure are a funny lot; you talk about India discriminating against its minority to a degree where it is not possible for them to survive in India, yet we have a strong, Muslim minority which has a population quite possibly more than the entire Pakistani population and its still growing. SHOW ME how the Hindu & Christian minorities are living in Pakistan, stop throwing stones from that pathetic glass house of yours............ If you want to show concern show concern to that Myanmar Muslims in China who are being slaughtered by the Chinese,,,, OHH BUT you wont cause I forgot China is your master and THEY use you as a their lapdog to stir up trouble for India..............lol :))..
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Muslim population in India is less than Pakistan's population! This glass phrase would sound good if Pakistanis here were defending what is being done to minorities in Pakistan so I don't know why you even bring that up. Maynmar is not in china but I agree if Pakistanis are so much concerned about Muslim minority they shouldn't have double standards doesn't matter if its ally or not.
 
Saeed said:
Muslim population in India is less than Pakistan's population! This glass phrase would sound good if Pakistanis here were defending what is being done to minorities in Pakistan so I don't know why you even bring that up. .
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Post 328....... Pakistan has no right to point fingers, like I said earlier: GLASS HOUSE!!!
 
I think that people should be allowed to support whatever sports team they want.
 
James said:
I think that people should be allowed to support whatever sports team they want.
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I also thinks that it should have been let go even though it is not as innocent as merely supporting a club team. There is a reason why Pakistan Zindabad and Allahu Akbar were frequently interchangeable slogans in the videos. A reason why Malik's apology to muslims of the world was more than just an innocent slip of the tongue.

It is not always easy to explain these to people who come from low context cultures. PPers from high context subcontinental culture understand it but may play cutely innocent at times depending on which side they are on.
 
It's not sedition, it's simply in bad taste. .ohhh wait. .it's actually quite antinational. .we hav to agree reasons are more than sporting. .


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Indiana Jones said:
Why isn't 5 lakh Kashmiri pundits haven't been safeguarded in Kashmir even after 20 years they are living in Jammu like cattle in relief camps? Why should anyone care if you guys don't allow your own state people? Just because they are Hindus? Isn't? You guys don't deserve any sympathy and we don't care for you narrow minded religious fanatics. Rot in hell.
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Am I being called a narrow minded religious fanatic for mentioning about murder of a million kashmiri Muslims by Indian state ? So be it then. Where in India are you from and how many pandits do you even know ? Who told you that we don't allow pandits to come back here ? Stop preaching this BJP propaganda here. And stop pretending to hate us for some particular reason. People like you don't need a reason to hate us. Its too obvious.
 
Booker prize award winner Indian analyst Arundhati Roy on Kashmiri Pandits

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aamirzargar said:
Am I being called a narrow minded religious fanatic for mentioning about murder of a million kashmiri Muslims by Indian state ? So be it then. Where in India are you from and how many pandits do you even know ? Who told you that we don't allow pandits to come back here ? Stop preaching this BJP propaganda here. And stop pretending to hate us for some particular reason. People like you don't need a reason to hate us. Its too obvious.
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Well said!! There are still Kashmiri pandits living in the state guarded by the Indian police, BSF and CRPF, but what about the millions slaughtered, raped, and are still to be accounted many of whom were innocents. Pakistani posters instead of replying to the INdian bigots need to be ashamed of the stance Pakistan has taken post-99, and do something about this. It is stupid to reason with hate. They understand the language of war better.

Then we can shift the Kashmiri pandits to jammu and then see how Indian authorities or RSS give a rat's a** to their plight. An actual Kashmiri pandit actor Anupam Kher himself confessed that on twitter in how many ways Indian govt. and hindu nationalists screwed the Kashmiri pandit community. They're just a debating point for them they move to mainland and no one gives a damn, whereas for us Kashmiri people's suffering should'nt be a diplomatic issue, like them. It is a human issue and should be dealt with in the same manner.
 
4 Kashmiri students + 2 Aligarh students, were expelled from Sharda university hostel, Noida, not because of cheering for Pakistan, or false accusations of sloganeering, but due to an argument over a social networking site, they were removed from the hostel due to a scuffle. The India's aam aadmi party BJP [which represents the average indian mindset] celebrated the decision of Sharda University. Still no report of those hindu fanatics who had a brawl with them, or beat them, and doubt that those fearful students will make a complaint, true face of India coming out, watch here:

After Meerut, Sharda Uni. expels students:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bN5x8_yPv0
 
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rayfder said:
4 Kashmiri students + 2 Aligarh students, were expelled from Sharda university hostel, Noida, not because of cheering for Pakistan, or false accusations of sloganeering, but due to an argument over a social networking site, they were removed from the hostel due to a scuffle. The India's aam aadmi party BJP [which represents the average indian mindset] celebrated the decision of Sharda University. Still no report of those hindu fanatics who had a brawl with them, or beat them, and doubt that those fearful students will make a complaint, true face of India coming out, watch here:

After Meerut, Sharda Uni. expels students:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bN5x8_yPv0
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Have u seen there reaction;u know u r inviting trouble,if ur celebrating wildely.

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aamirzargar said:
Am I being called a narrow minded religious fanatic for mentioning about murder of a million kashmiri Muslims by Indian state ? So be it then. Where in India are you from and how many pandits do you even know ? Who told you that we don't allow pandits to come back here ? Stop preaching this BJP propaganda here. And stop pretending to hate us for some particular reason. People like you don't need a reason to hate us. Its too obvious.
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I said you guys, not you, you whole Kashmir Muslim majority there stopping pundits coming back to valley. That's why I called you guys fanatics, don't you freaking pretend like you don't know what I am talking about. Army is in the streets of valley only after you guys raped and murdered pundits. Army was in Kashmir border, it was deployed on the streets of the valley after the atrocities committed against pundits. They lost their land, livelihood, you got rid of the pundits and you think you can break India..rot in hell. No freakin sympathy, nobody gives a damn for fanatics till pundits get their land back. You cry a river about army roaming around in the valley, nobody gives a damn.
 
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Indiana Jones said:
I said you guys, not you, you whole Kashmir Muslim majority there stopping pundits coming back to valley. That's why I called you guys fanatics, don't you freaking pretend like you don't know what I am talking about. Army is in the streets of valley only after you guys raped and murdered pundits. Army was in Kashmir border, it was deployed on the streets of the valley after the atrocities committed against pundits. They lost their land, livelihood, you got rid of the pundits and you think you can break India..rot in hell. No freakin sympathy, nobody gives a damn for fanatics till pundits get their land back. You cry a river about army roaming around in the valley, nobody gives a damn.
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Unlike you I don't justify what happened to pandits. It was wrong even if it was one person or a million , either Muslim or a Pandit. BJP posers like you pretending to be champion of Pandit rights need to get a reality check. Pandits here are being welcomed with open arms. Hell even seperatist leaders offer them security. All my Pandit friends say they don't want to return simply because now it isn't feasible for them to return as they're established at some place or the other. Still in recent years some Pandits who want to return are returning and are provided with everything they need. But I guess you already know that and being a BJP supporter you clearly can't accept reality. Good news for sadists like you is your army will continue to kill people here unabated. So people like you can stay happy :)
 
aamirzargar said:
Unlike you I don't justify what happened to pandits. It was wrong even if it was one person or a million , either Muslim or a Pandit. BJP posers like you pretending to be champion of Pandit rights need to get a reality check. Pandits here are being welcomed with open arms. Hell even seperatist leaders offer them security. All my Pandit friends say they don't want to return simply because now it isn't feasible for them to return as they're established at some place or the other. Still in recent years some Pandits who want to return are returning and are provided with everything they need. But I guess you already know that and being a BJP supporter you clearly can't accept reality. Good news for sadists like you is your army will continue to kill people here unabated. So people like you can stay happy :)
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All talks, isn't? . Oh we love em, but we killed and raped them in the past but we still love to welcome them. lol.So far, one pundit family came back to the valley, they are welcome back with open arms. Ha ha ha ha...you know they are not coming back because they will be killing and raped again by your peace loving people. 5 lakh people prefer to live like cattle in relief camps rather than come back to valley to get murdered again. You know it, everyone else knows it and we pretend like they will live safely in the valley. Lol. Hate bigots hate. You guys started it by killing them, now don't expect sympathy and don't complain about Indian army being there.
 
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Romali_rotti said:
Show me proof he did the above...
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Lol there is no proof. He applied a whopping one time and after that said I'll wait for them to ironically invite me.

Hahahahahaah hope he turns down the invite in June. US can contain China on its own.

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aamirzargar said:
Unlike you I don't justify what happened to pandits. It was wrong even if it was one person or a million , either Muslim or a Pandit. BJP posers like you pretending to be champion of Pandit rights need to get a reality check. Pandits here are being welcomed with open arms. Hell even seperatist leaders offer them security. All my Pandit friends say they don't want to return simply because now it isn't feasible for them to return as they're established at some place or the other. Still in recent years some Pandits who want to return are returning and are provided with everything they need. But I guess you already know that and being a BJP supporter you clearly can't accept reality. Good news for sadists like you is your army will continue to kill people here unabated. So people like you can stay happy :)
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Whyd they have to leave in the first place? Again goes back to who are always the inciters and then start crying when they get it back.
 
kinventor said:
This is pretty much expected, USA can't deny visa to PM no matter how many innocents he burned. He has been begging for USA visa for years now with no result, only hope left is him becoming India's PM one day.
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Stop quoting mis-facts... Modi hasnt applied for VISA to US even once since 2005....

Its US businessmen & some senators who want him to share his Business model
 
Eagle_Eye said:
For you and your fellow hinduvta followers:

When someone says " long live pakistan" you translate that as "death to India" .

For me:

When someone says "long live India" it means just that.. "Long live India"

Now do you see the difference?
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In every country there is sections of people who are hate mongerers & others who respect each individuals individually ...

Let any country long live as they too will have good people in them as well.. I respect all the good people in india and in this case, U guys point at Modi as a hate monger but do u know that the CM of Uttar Pradesh (Akilesh Yadav) ,who put seditions charges on these students survives on Muslim votes & he hates NaMo... (first know facts & they speak)

And stop type casting people just because they believe in a mass leader .. How would i feel if i refer u as a Sunni or shia idiolistic who hurts other sections of people ?
Im an agnostic person & i support modi for his Leadership skills & only NaMo can make india a superpower wait n watch .... Sole reason
 
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Haripotter said:
In every country there is sections of people who are hate mongerers & others who respect each individuals individually ...

Let any country long live as they too will have good people in them as well.. I respect all the good people in india and in this case, U guys point at Modi as a hate monger but do u know that the CM of Uttar Pradesh (Akilesh Yadav) ,who put seditions charges on these students survives on Muslim votes & he hates NaMo... (first know facts & they speak)

And stop type casting people just because they believe in a mass leader .. How would i feel if i refer u as a Sunni or shia idiolistic who hurts other sections of people ?
Im an agnostic person & i support modi for his Leadership skills & only NaMo can make india a superpower wait n watch .... Sole reason
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Guys why r we we waisting our time,when even a Pak player on record has said that hinduon ki zehaniyat he aisi hai,for which he said that he was misquoted,no need to explain anything to anyone,we don't owe them an apology,we don't care what they think,just remember one thing if someone is pointing one finger at u,he is pointing four fingers at himself,they think every body is against them,they are acting like kejriwal,I mean ,they will always bring kashmir and when someone says Baluchistan they say it's our personal matter and beside Asia Cup is done and dusted,and the team they so badly wanted to see win in the final lost,fair and square(well they were trolling locals got trolled in the end,just like members here)so chill maro and wait for the next meeting and pak ppers,take a chill pill,u and we have far more things to sort out in life,first sort them,na kashmir kahin bhaaga ja rha hai or na hi hum,so thand rakho.

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the problem is not with university or other Indians perhaps except for being nationalistic. those with a neutral view can understand that Valley Kashmiris are generally Islamists brainwashed to follow what is injected onto their brains by the Geelani and his ilk. Internet allows Extremist Muslims to get even more brainwashed with preachers like Zakir Naik, Ahmed Deedat and various Arabic/Urdu sources that will make the brainwashed to get even more excited.
The hate for India among Kashmiris are a direct result of brainwashing by religious extremists who follow Saudi and Pakistan based groups. until extremist ideologies are spread among valley youths and terrorists(lashkars) gets safe haven in the valley, there is least hope. India must be appreciated because under India, Kashmir valley is not turning into a global terrorist Hub which it will be otherwise.

there is something we cannot convince Hindu or Islamic extremists - that what they believe is the "perfect solution", "perfect path" is pure terrorism for common people. Cult rehabilitation is a dire need for the Islamists and Militant Hindus of the Indian subcontinent.

I am not your average Hindu or Islami ugravadi that, I will want to stand neutral opening up the real faces of both. Modi bhakt or Hafiz syed poojaris both are a threat to Humanity.
 
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Cochin_wala said:
the problem is not with university or other Indians perhaps except for being nationalistic. those with a neutral view can understand that Valley Kashmiris are generally Islamists brainwashed to follow what is injected onto their brains by the Geelani and his ilk. Internet allows Extremist Muslims to get even more brainwashed with preachers like Zakir Naik, Ahmed Deedat and various Arabic/Urdu sources that will make the brainwashed to get even more excited.
The hate for India among Kashmiris are a direct result of brainwashing by religious extremists who follow Saudi and Pakistan based groups. until extremist ideologies are spread among valley youths and terrorists(lashkars) gets safe haven in the valley, there is least hope. India must be appreciated because under India, Kashmir valley is not turning into a global terrorist Hub which it will be otherwise.

there is something we cannot convince Hindu or Islamic extremists - that what they believe is the "perfect solution", "perfect path" is pure terrorism for common people. Cult rehabilitation is a dire need for the Islamists and Militant Hindus of the Indian subcontinent.
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Add to that ki virgins waiting in heaven,is it 76 or something,I mean come on when there are so many available here.

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Go through u tube or topix and u will see the love brewing between each other.

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Vayuu said:
Guys why r we we waisting our time,when even a Pak player on record has said that hinduon ki zehaniyat he aisi hai,for which he said that he was misquoted,no need to explain anything to anyone,we don't owe them an apology,we don't care what they think,just remember one thing if someone is pointing one finger at u,he is pointing four fingers at himself,they think every body is against them,they are acting like kejriwal,I mean ,they will always bring kashmir and when someone says Baluchistan they say it's our personal matter and beside Asia Cup is done and dusted,and the team they so badly wanted to see win in the final lost,fair and square(well they were trolling locals got trolled in the end,just like members here)so chill maro and wait for the next meeting and pak ppers,take a chill pill,u and we have far more things to sort out in life,first sort them,na kashmir kahin bhaaga ja rha hai or na hi hum,so thand rakho.

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Dude take a hike then, in one place you said why are we even wasting time here and then took time to write a useless post.Go back to bubble where you won't have to waste your time.
 
Vayuu said:
Go through u tube or topix and u will see the love brewing between each other.

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This is not your youtube or useless topic x. And you read comments on them just goes to show how much time you waste.
 
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Saeed said:
Dude take a hike then, in one place you said why are we even wasting time here and then took time to write a useless post.Go back to bubble where you won't have to waste your time.
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As I said why are u bothered about it I was referring to indian ppers not u.

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Saeed said:
This is not your youtube and or useless topic x. And you read comments on them just goes to show how much time you waste.
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It sure is becoming one these days ,where both parties are having a go at each other,not extreme ,but not mild either.

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Vayuu said:
It sure is becoming one these days ,where both parties are having a go at each other,not extreme ,but not mild either.

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No mods are much better here and people like you are lowering the quality of this site.
 
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Saeed said:
Because you guys are wasting time.
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Have u heard any indian ppers bothered about it,it seem u r the one who is most bothered.

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Vayuu said:
Have u heard any indian ppers bothered about it,it seem u r the one who is most bothered.

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Dude you yourself said why are we wasting time, looks like you're the one who has some problem or is it so hard to understand. And I am not talking about Indian posters just you, if I had problems with them I would have already replied to them.
 
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Saeed said:
No mods are much better here and people like you are lowering the quality of this site.
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Then why are u even replying to me,if pak members weren't so involved in this thread then we wouldn't have said anything.,u urself are replying back to back.

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Saeed said:
Dude you yourself said why are why wasting time, looks like you're the one who has some problem or is it so hard to understand. And I am not talking about Indian posters just you, if I had problems with I would have already replied to them.
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I was asking indian members not u ,I was talking to them not u,it is u who need to understand that,if u have a problem with me,then go and take a walk.

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Beside that I am very tired it's already close to 2:30 here.

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Wasim1 said:
Lol there is no proof. He applied a whopping one time and after that said I'll wait for them to ironically invite me.

Hahahahahaah hope he turns down the invite in June. US can contain China on its own.

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I knew there was no proof, I wanted to stump him, which I have... :akhtar
 
Lol I hope he turns down an invite from the us and goes to China instead. Freak out islamabad and Washington same time.

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Wasim1 said:
Lol I hope he turns down an invite from the us and goes to China instead. Freak out islamabad and Washington same time.

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The minute our man Modi becomes PM, Washington will come running and begging........... Ahhh potential good times ahead :D.........
 
Saeed said:
Lol, come on now. What magic stick does Modi have?
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America has bad relations with China and Russia. They know the only country that can help them out is India yet make foolish decision after foolish decision.

Thats why they will come running.
 
James said:
Counter their arguments with assertion, but also dignity, or else sport just becomes a violent and tribalistic space.
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they are not open people who will sit down; hear, argue logically as you expect. these Kashmiri students are already brought up with hate instead of peace in their mind. there are things which cannot be shared publicly in open forums. India is actually tolerating them and tries to integrate them. the problem IS Pakistan and it's extremist religious influence. there is hate being injected every day. "Hindu Hindu Hindu .... responsible for all bad things" Hinduon ko sabak sikhana he followed by random quotes from hadiths or Koran to justify the hatred" - this is what is happening in Kashmir as well. they grew up with no peace but hatred for non-Muslims.
 
Saeed said:
Are you Romali_rotti? Anyway what kind of help, Economical?
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Containment help, logisitical help, international relation help. America and Indias views are actually quite aligned.

Their "friendships" with Pakistan and China are really only a relationship of convenience. Perception of both countries are so negative to Americans whereas India's is quite high.

I would hope that Modi plays hard to get and even reaches out to the Chinese. This will put both Pakistan and America on the back foot.
 
Cochin_wala said:
they are not open people who will sit down; hear, argue logically as you expect. these Kashmiri students are already brought up with hate instead of peace in their mind. there are things which cannot be shared publicly in open forums. India is actually tolerating them and tries to integrate them. the problem IS Pakistan and it's extremist religious influence. there is hate being injected every day. "Hindu Hindu Hindu .... responsible for all bad things" Hinduon ko sabak sikhana he followed by random quotes from hadiths or Koran to justify the hatred" - this is what is happening in Kashmir as well. they grew up with no peace but hatred for non-Muslims.
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did you said that india is tolerating kashmiris???
wow then i pray it soon becomes unbearable for india to tolerate us..& they leave us on our own.OR IN OTHER WORDS THEY SET US FREE..
 
Cochin_wala said:
they are not open people who will sit down; hear, argue logically as you expect. these Kashmiri students are already brought up with hate instead of peace in their mind. there are things which cannot be shared publicly in open forums. India is actually tolerating them and tries to integrate them. the problem IS Pakistan and it's extremist religious influence. there is hate being injected every day. "Hindu Hindu Hindu .... responsible for all bad things" Hinduon ko sabak sikhana he followed by random quotes from hadiths or Koran to justify the hatred" - this is what is happening in Kashmir as well. they grew up with no peace but hatred for non-Muslims.
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How many Kashmiri's do you even know ? How many did you sit down and argued logically with ? What did you logically argue ? As a Kashmiri i would definitely like to know. Please enlighten me.
 
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aamirzargar said:
How many Kashmiri's do you even know ? How many did you sit down and argued logically with ? What did you logically argue ? As a Kashmiri i would definitely like to know. Please enlighten me.
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Well i had a chance to have a conversation with a lot of kashmiris business men and shop keepers in lal chowk,since I was on business trip,and we were having this conversation,they said that,there were a strong anti sentiment during late 80 ' s and early to mid 90's,but it has improved quiet a lot,they see more opportunities here in india,offcourse there are some sections who want independence or are in favor of pakistan,but since the economy of india has improved,the situation is also improving there,that is why I think if pak wants to improve its internal matters ,it has to improve it self financially and provide the unsatisfied people with opportunities.

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In case u want to know we manufacture electronic parts.

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Vayuu said:
Well i had a chance to have a conversation with a lot of kashmiris business men and shop keepers in lal chowk,since I was on business trip,and we were having this conversation,they said that,there were a strong anti sentiment during late 80 ' s and early to mid 90's,but it has improved quiet a lot,they see more opportunities here in india,offcourse there are some sections who want independence or are in favor of pakistan,but since the economy of india has improved,the situation is also improving there,that is why I think if pak wants to improve its internal matters ,it has to improve it self financially and provide the unsatisfied people with opportunities.

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Agree with most of what you said. The business class and students found opportunities which they otherwise never would have here and hence their inclination. At least you're speaking from a personal experience unlike some people here who pretend things behind a keyboard. :facepalm:
 
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aamirzargar said:
Agree with most of what you said. The business class and students found opportunities which they otherwise never would have here and hence their inclination. At least you're speaking from a personal experience unlike some people here who pretend things behind a keyboard. :facepalm:
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That is why I said to pak posters ,until u don't see it with ur own eyes,don't make any assumption 's.

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Personally I feel,the best solution would be to take care of what u have and try to develop it more,ur govt improves the condition of pak kashmir,while we look to improve j & k,coz let's be honest the borders are not going to change,no body is going to come and fight for u or me,if u guys think china is going to fight for u,then that's not going to happen,india is too big a market to be put into jeopardy,so it's better to focus on what we have and look to develop it.

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That's why I believe both hindus and muslims could learn a thing or two from sikhs.

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Vayuu said:
That's why I believe both hindus and muslims could learn a thing or two from sikhs.

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I think everyone should learn from Jains as their first & the main preache is non-violence towards even the smallest of creature
 
Haripotter said:
In every country there is sections of people who are hate mongerers & others who respect each individuals individually ...

Let any country long live as they too will have good people in them as well.. I respect all the good people in india and in this case, U guys point at Modi as a hate monger but do u know that the CM of Uttar Pradesh (Akilesh Yadav) ,who put seditions charges on these students survives on Muslim votes & he hates NaMo... (first know facts & they speak)

And stop type casting people just because they believe in a mass leader .. How would i feel if i refer u as a Sunni or shia idiolistic who hurts other sections of people ?
Im an agnostic person & i support modi for his Leadership skills & only NaMo can make india a superpower wait n watch .... Sole reason
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Notice how they dont really answer your assertion, deep down they hate us even though they make the world believe we hate them, nice warped twisted logic.
 
Re: Indian University Expels Kashmiris for Celebrating Pak Win [sedition charges drop

hindukush said:
Nice, Stay Classy!!
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Sorry bro,if I offended any one ,but what I meant was that they are told such craps,I didn't mean to offend any women.

sent from dil se
 
Wasim1 said:
Containment help, logisitical help, international relation help. America and Indias views are actually quite aligned.

Their "friendships" with Pakistan and China are really only a relationship of convenience. Perception of both countries are so negative to Americans whereas India's is quite high.

I would hope that Modi plays hard to get and even reaches out to the Chinese. This will put both Pakistan and America on the back foot.
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You mean like strip searching diplomats
 
Wasim1 said:
Containment help, logisitical help, international relation help. America and Indias views are actually quite aligned.

Their "friendships" with Pakistan and China are really only a relationship of convenience. Perception of both countries are so negative to Americans whereas India's is quite high.

I would hope that Modi plays hard to get and even reaches out to the Chinese. This will put both Pakistan and America on the back foot.
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Vayuu said:
Sorry bro,if I offended any one ,but what I meant was that they are told such craps,I didn't mean to offend any women.

sent from dil se
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And what do you believe in? monkeys? elephants?, (sorry if i offended any ladies)
 
Re: Indian University Expels Kashmiris for Celebrating Pak Win [sedition charges drop

hindukush said:
And what do you believe in? monkeys? elephants?, (sorry if i offended any ladies)
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No not really,but I will like to answer you with a one of kabir's line" moko kaha dhoonde re bandey main to tere paas mein,na main masjid na main deval,na kaabe,kailash mein,milat chahu to turat hi milat ho pal bhar ki talaash mein,kehat kabir suno bhai saadho sab sanso ki saans mein",means god says o person where are u searching me,I am always with u,I don't reside in temple,masjid,kaaba and kailash,if u r searching for me,u can find me instantly,coz I reside in u ,so i believe in that form,and the monkey(hanuman) and elephant(ganesha) u r talking about,actually tells u a lot,the character of hanuman tells how a devotee should be,the character of ganesha tells how a son should be,but alas u see only a monkey and a elephant,also I was referring about the brainwashed terrorist,I by no mean wanted to offend any Muslim here.

sent from dil se
 
And I don't think I have offended any sentiment here.

sent from dil se
 
New Delhi: Retired Supreme Court judge Deepak Gupta on Friday condemned the use of sedition laws to curb dissent, saying no party is immune to criticism.

He was speaking at a webinar on ‘Our Right to Dissent’ that was conducted by the Delhi High Court Women Lawyers Forum in association with digital legal news portal LiveLaw. Justice Gupta, senior advocate Rebecca John and advocate Chitranshul Sinha were the keynote speakers in conversation with advocates Ritu Bhalla and Manali Singhal. Advocates Arundhati Katju and Swaty Singh Malik were also part of the press conference.

Justice Gupta said that the experiences of Bal Gangadhar Tilak and Mahatma Gandhi, who faced sedition cases during the British Raj, would have ensured that the law of sedition would not exist in independent India.

“Disaffection is such a broad term that anything could amount to sedition. Our democracy gives us the right to freedom of speech and expression. Right to dissent is a hallmark of democracy. Even if one party comes into power, it is not immune to criticism and right to dissent allows such criticism,” he said.

He continued, “Look at the conviction rate, it is so low. One’s reputation is destroyed even if one is not convicted. There can be no progress if we stifle dissent. In the last 9-10 years, we have lost our sense of humour. Even today, I’m scared to share or crack a joke even with someone close to me because they might find it offensive.”

He further said that people should get together instead of getting divided. In response to whether the Supreme Court should take up cognisance of stifling of right to dissent and not be a “mute spectator”, Justice Gupta said that suo moto cannot be taken up in every case. “The Supreme Court cannot take up suo moto in every case. But, I do believe that high courts should take up the cause. They are entitled to do so. Manali Singhal now refers to how her daughter Shreya Singhal was of the same age as Disha Ravi when she had challenged Section 66A of the IT Act and that any dissent against the government is seen as anti-national now,” he said.

Justice Gupta warned against tarnishing the image of the entire judiciary. He said, “You do more harm to this movement by tarnishing the entire judiciary because of some aberrations. There are good judgments coming and there are bad judgments coming. It has always happened.”

Senior advocate Rebecca John said that currently, the legal doctrine of ‘bail is rule, jail is exception‘ has been reversed. Talking about the provision of bail under UAPA, she said that Section 43D(5) of the UAPA makes getting bail a virtual impossibility, and how the exceptions in such cases have become the norm. “Why is bail treated as the be-all and end-all of criminal law? I would say everybody is entitled to bail,” she added.

She also said that after FIRs were filed against journalists in connection with the death of a farmer during the Republic Day tractor parade,many journalists have become wary of putting out stories or tweets.

John said, “As a lawyer what I’m doing is looking at articles written by journalists because now they seek opinion before they publish them just in case they are not violating any laws. I have senior journalists send me their tweets before they put it out. What kind of regime is this? Surely we have thicker skin than this and can look at criticism, even the most extreme kind, a bit more constructively,” she said, adding that people are being punished by laws such as the UAPA for their dissent.

On the arrest of Ravi, she said that there are lacunae in the legality of procedures that went into her remand and police custody. She said, “I don’t understand, when she had her lawyer of choice, why was he not brought in. There was no transit remand order also taken. The Delhi high court order of 2019 categorically states that transit remand order is required, unless exigencies exist.”

Agreeing with Justice Gupta, she said, “He rightly said that remand is a judicial function. It’s the first important function a magistrate performs when it comes to a criminal case. There is a lack of application of mind which happens at this stage. I cannot emphasise enough the need for magistrates to carefully look into FIRs, case diaries and high court rules and orders – to see whether remand is needed or not. Why is it that intrinsically these judicial functions are treated casually?”

She added, “This is happening in Delhi and not in some obscure corner in India that the magistrate doesn’t realise that these are bailable offences.” She added that personal liberty is intrinsically linked with procedural law and if one does not follow the procedural law, there will be a great breach of liberty and right of that individual to a fair trial.

Advocate Chitranshul Sinha said that the Kedar Nath Singh judgment is not being followed by the police. Giving the example of Uttar Pradesh, when some Kashmiri students who apparently supported the Pakistan cricket team were booked under sedition, he said, “Sedition is an offence against the state. But, you see individuals coming forward claiming that the State is feeling threatened because of the acts of some people. Whatever anyone might say, our democracy is not that brittle. The right to dissent is the most important one, and there is no democracy without it. Dissent is in fact a duty.”

https://thewire.in/rights/dissent-democracy-sedition-rights-rebecca-john-deepak-gupta
 
This sedition case was when Congress was in power and Manmohan Singh was the PM. I personally think anyone has the right to support any cricket team they want. My childhood was in Bihar and most of my muslim friends used to support Pakistan (over India) in cricket match, burst firecrackers on Pakistan's win etc. It was a non issue and something we were used to. I dont live in India anymore, so not sure if that culture still exists.

Sedition should be applied however when someone does anti-national activities...either on his own and by a movement. Standing in JNU Campus in the heart of New Delhi and raising slogans like 'Bharat ki barbaadi tak jung rahegi' is sedicious. Sharing a document with the objective like 'Damage Tea and Yoga culture of India' at the excuse of farmers protest is sedition.

So sedition law has merits if it is applied correctly and not for supporting a cricket team.
 
Rajdeep said:
This sedition case was when Congress was in power and Manmohan Singh was the PM.
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Whose govt was it when people were arrested and charged with sedition in MP for celebrating Pakistan's CT win back in 2017...who was in the power then? Both in center and state...
 
OldWarHorse said:
Whose govt was it when people were arrested and charged with sedition in MP for celebrating Pakistan's CT win back in 2017...who was in the power then? Both in center and state...
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You know right most amount of sedition cases were filed under Indira Gandhi in independent India's history? So stop doing whataboutery man...LOL This thread is for this specific incident and we are discussing that. Looks like you are not tolerant enough to listen anything against your beloved party.
 
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