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Indians - What is YOUR opinion on the caste system?

CricketCartoons said:
Prove that caste system was hereditary (you can't).
I never denied that it got corrupted.

Caste system was the original meritocracy, propounded by the true Sanatan Dharma. It was superior to the Islamic way of classifying humans, where muslims were superior to dhimmis who were superior to the kafirs. It was tragic that the best form of human classification, the caste system, was corrupted due to the greed of hindus.
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Caste system has origins in Rig Veda which mentions how people of different castes were made . Thus it is hereditary

Hindus also called others as Malechas , a derogatory term.

If you want I can look up references in Hindu scriptures.
 
King_Kohli said:
In my village few people converted to Christianity, the form a group and pray within their premises.
The don't mingle with other low caste Christians and they don't go their churches.

I raised by my grandma who is converted Christian, I used to go church every weekend.
My grandma passed during my college days. My parents are Hindus' but not religious, visit temples once or twice in year.
Myself I am not practicing Christianity but believe Jesus and Hinduism.

My Aunt ,BIL and few other relatives are now strict Christians but they dont go churches where low caste people attend.

Now there are many changes in society, intercaste marriages on rampage.
Parents are accepting , majority of people welcoming.
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That is made up by those Christians , Bible or Quran does not support caste , whereas in Hindu scriptures caste system exists. There are many Hindus who do not follow or believe in the caste system but here we are talking about religion not what people follow.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
i think someone glued the 2 books together and he didnt know until someone questioned him, so rather than admitting he's been living a lie, he believes both religions :ROFLMAO:
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LMAO! Possible. :qdkcheeky

Some of these sanghis have a serious identity crisis. They try to be many things at once.
 
 
Caste system should have been done away with long ago. But unfortunately the caste has become more of an identity now. That identity within Hindu religion is not going to go away anytime soon.
 
sweep_shot said:
World needs India to disintegrate and balkanize. It can increase world peace and decrease various societal problems.
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Your own country treats Dalits from both Hindu and Christian faith like dirt. Ads are given for toilet, septic tank and drainage cleaners from Dalit Christian communities by your government. I can understand individual people carrying that stigma. But government carrying it and promoting it is plain terrible.
Also, Pakistan needs to balkanize based on caste, ethnicity. It’s an artificial nation built on Islam and no one takes nationalism seriously as the pit religion above it. What a joke. :mv
 
big_gamer007 said:
People can give excuses and try to prove that 100 million years ago it was the best thing ever but fact is it is we live in present and not past.. In present it is a totally outdated system which is being used by politicians for their own gains and our public is so stupid and selfish that they don’t understand it and get used..
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Been 8 years and still nothing changed, India can never be a developed nation till such ancient systems are present.
Caste system is discriminatory and doesn’t let a society reach its full potential.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Been 8 years and still nothing changed, India can never be a developed nation till such ancient systems are present.
Caste system is discriminatory and doesn’t let a society reach its full potential.
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The erosion of caste imo depended on whether, in the 50's, the various state governments in India had the political will to enforce very strict land ceiling acts in all states and redistribute excess land to peasants/marginalised sections of society and then follow it up by providing credit, education and incentives etc.

It's a long, painful process that would've, at times, required brutal state power to enforce , but sadly we shied away from it with the vanguard of all our political parties coming from land owning UC's who put their own communities' interests above social justice and , here we are
 
big_gamer007 said:
Been 8 years and still nothing changed, India can never be a developed nation till such ancient systems are present.
Caste system is discriminatory and doesn’t let a society reach its full potential.
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The idea that moksha can only happen when a Brahmin does a puja is regressive as it gets esp coz castes are fixed and one cannot study to be a Brahmin, I don’t know how it is in South..
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The erosion of caste imo depended on whether, in the 50's, the various state governments in India had the political will to enforce very strict land ceiling acts in all states and redistribute excess land to peasants/marginalised sections of society and then follow it up by providing credit, education and incentives etc.

It's a long, painful process that would've, at times, required brutal state power to enforce , but sadly we shied away from it with the vanguard of all our political parties coming from land owning UC's who put their own communities' interests above social justice and , here we are
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Land reforms did happen in someways.. this was the biggest difference between India and Pakistan, Pakistan went the feudal lord way but India did distribute a lot of land and had land reforms yet we have issues, so many years of reservations yet the issues has hardly improved by 10%

This is when I think that a cultural revolution like China or Marxist one in Russia are the only effective tools of changing the social status quo, unfortunately very violent.
 
JaDed said:
Land reforms did happen in someways.. this was the biggest difference between India and Pakistan, Pakistan went the feudal lord way but India did distribute a lot of land and had land reforms yet we have issues, so many years of reservations yet the issues has hardly improved by 10%

This is when I think that a cultural revolution like China or Marxist one in Russia are the only effective tools of changing the social status quo, unfortunately very violent.
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India's land reforms were not particularly effective with the exception of a state like Kerala where it was far more effective and it literally changed the trajectory of that state. Extreme poverty and inequality simply does not exist there unlike the Gangetic plain , although I admit that's not the only reason. I wouldn't compare with the likes of Pakistan which is a terrible example .

Yes, it requires the use of brutal state power but I wouldn't associate it solely with Marxists. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Turkey - these are hardly states which had a particularly Marxist/Communist bent and yet they managed to get it done.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
India's land reforms were not particularly effective with the exception of a state like Kerala where it was far more effective and it literally changed the trajectory of that state. Extreme poverty and inequality simply does not exist there unlike the Gangetic plain , although I admit that's not the only reason. I wouldn't compare with the likes of Pakistan which is a terrible example .

Yes, it requires the use of brutal state power but I wouldn't associate it solely with Marxists. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Turkey - these are hardly states which had a particularly Marxist/Communist bent and yet they managed to get it done.
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That’s true too I read an article on how-it failed in Bihar etc, Kerala had a lot of things going for it, I have a lot of criticism on Keral’s economic policy but admiration for the societal progress.

On taiwan Japan I didn’t mention them because of them being a small country and majorly being single ethnicity..

I don’t see our society changing because upper caste glorifiers have found a way to keep rural folks entangled in these things.

Some states are taking it far Gujarat is like Parents intimation is required lol
 
The caste system originally conceptualized by Ancient Brahmins had a practical purpose. Communities specialized in specific skills and occupations, and that knowledge was preserved and passed on across generations within families. This generational continuity only allowed knowledge and skills to refine to its full extents. Remember insecurity always existed in humans and people wouldn't easily pass on trade secrets to unknown people but only to blood relations or to those who passed the most harshest tests of loyalty. There are many stories in vedic history of pupils going to extreme extents to gain acceptence of their Guru. You couldn't just learn trade secrets with money back in the day like you can today.

As a result of the Caste system, India produced exceptional musicians, scholars, physicians, artisans, jewelers, warriors etc whose mastery was built on accumulated ancestral expertise.

Over time however, what began as a pragmatic division of labor hardened into a tool of exploitation and for creating divisions in society. This shift distorted the original intent of Ancient Brahmins who strived for the perfect society and turned a flexible occupational structure into a tool for exclusion and hierarchy, leading to discrimination and inequality.
 
JaDed said:
Marriage
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Yeah just read about it a couple of days back. One of the most insane laws ever proposed in India. The Taliban would be proud of it.

In it's draft form, essentially adults looking to get married have to certify that parents are informed. They also have to provide contact details for verification and there is a 30 day verification period

Not only is it unconstitutional as a violation of the the 'Fundamental Right to Freedom', it's also utterly impractical - what if parents don't answer the phone, what if they're out of the country, what if they're estranged etc. I certainly hope it's stuck down by the courts if the legislators themselves loose their senses and pass it.

Only under the kind of regressive governments we're now seeing in BJP rules states would such a law even be a possibility.
 
Red-Indian said:
Yeah just read about it a couple of days back. One of the most insane laws ever proposed in India. The Taliban would be proud of it.

In it's draft form, essentially adults looking to get married have to certify that parents are informed. They also have to provide contact details for verification and there is a 30 day verification period

Not only is it unconstitutional as a violation of the the 'Fundamental Right to Freedom', it's also utterly impractical - what if parents don't answer the phone, what if they're out of the country, what if they're estranged etc. I certainly hope it's stuck down by the courts if the legislators themselves loose their senses and pass it.

Only under the kind of regressive governments we're now seeing in BJP rules states would such a law even be a possibility.
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They took one case as a reason to define this law, Gujarat is one of the most conservative states on the face of it, behind the curtains though its not that straightforward.
 
CricketCartoons said:
As usual you enter a discussion without being informed.

The caste system is actually one which is decided by the traits of the person and not the occupation of the parents. There is a famous verse from Rig Veda which proves it.

This system got polluted during the Gupta Age.

Feel free if you want to learn more and I will provide the detailed evidence.
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What is Gupta Age
 
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Justcrazy said:
Caste system has origins in Rig Veda which mentions how people of different castes were made . Thus it is hereditary

Hindus also called others as Malechas , a derogatory term.

If you want I can look up references in Hindu scriptures.
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This makes sense if you take to the ultimate conclusion of reincarnation as a form of ultimate evolution leading to eventual nirvana.
 
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