India's cricket glory sparks a cautionary tale for Pakistan's cricket future

[FearlessRoar]

India's recent rise to the number one spot in all three cricket formats Tests, ODIs and T20Is has made waves in the cricketing world. While it's a proud moment for Indian cricket fans, it also has implications for Pakistan cricket. Let's look at how this might affect Pakistan and what steps the Pakistan Cricket Board could take.

Impact on Pakistan Cricket:

1.Increased Competition:

India and Pakistan have not played a bilateral series since 2014. However, whenever Pakistan has faced India at ICC or ACC tournaments since then, most games have been one sided. Now with India dominating in cricket across formats, the competition gets tougher for Pakistan. This means Pakistan faces a stronger opponent on the international stage, making the rivalry between the two cricketing giants more intense.

2. Marketing and Sponsorship Challenges:

India's ongoing success in cricket might overshadow Pakistan in terms of marketing and sponsorship deals. Sponsors often prefer successful teams, which could leave Pakistan with fewer opportunities for lucrative partnerships.

3. Pakistani Players Excluded from IPL:

India doesn't allow Pakistani players to participate in the IPL. The IPL, where top players from around the world showcase their skills, also disrupts major bilateral series. The absence of Pakistani players from the IPL deprives them of the chance to learn new techniques, share a dressing room, and play alongside in-form world-class players. In contrast, in the PSL, certain big names often refrain from participating until they retire.

What cautious measures and steps should Pakistan Cricket take to become as strong as India's cricket is today?

 

[FearlessRoar]

I believe, First Pakistan should invest in improving First-Class Cricket, making it attractive for international players similar to English county cricket.

Expanding the number of teams in the PSL is essential, ensuring the competition lasts at least two months. We should plan schedules that allow the participation of top international players.

For the U19 team, the coach should be someone who has played at least 100 test matches, and their contract should last 2-3 years.

 

[Suleiman]

Need to stop comparing ourselves to India.

Comparison is the thief of joy. Yes we are left behind by India. Didn’t happen over night. While PCB was goofing off and its chairmen playing musical chairs, BCCI was putting effective talent nurturing systems in place for about 25-27 years.

To Pakistan fans, save the trash talk and comparisons for our annual clashes in Asia Cups Or whatever tournament we are scheduled to face each other in.

Other than that, nose to the grindstone and rebuild our cricket structure up from A to Z.

It’s sad that if we continue to fall away like we are doing, this so called rivalry will mean nothing anymore as India continues to hammer Pakistan away.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Need to stop comparing ourselves to India.

Comparison is the thief of joy. Yes we are left behind by India. Didn’t happen over night. While PCB was goofing off and its chairmen playing musical chairs, BCCI was putting effective talent nurturing systems in place for about 25-27 years.

To Pakistan fans, save the trash talk and comparisons for our annual clashes in Asia Cups Or whatever tournament we are scheduled to face each other in.

Other than that, nose to the grindstone and rebuild our cricket structure up from A to Z.

It’s sad that if we continue to fall away like we are doing, this so called rivalry will mean nothing anymore as India continues to hammer Pakistan away.

Agree. Let's stop comparing with India. The gap didn't happen overnight. It's sad to see our decline, but we can turn it around by working hard.

 

[topspin]

Pakistan cricket needs to learn from India with what’s working for them.

The toxic ex-players with rotten mentality who always have their conspiracy theories need to be kept well away from any Pakistan cricketing roles.

Hire qualified people even if it means filling up vacant jobs with overseas experts.

It’s time for Pakistan to use India’s success story as motivation for the future.

 

[Savak]

Countries like New Zealand and South Africa are living examples of the fact that you can play high quality international cricket even if the countries don't offer enough financial backing or sponsorship. The Pakistani team in comparison has much more resources than both these countries for Cricket therefore there is no excuse for our players to have fallen behind with the times.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Need to stop comparing ourselves to India.

Comparison is the thief of joy. Yes we are left behind by India. Didn’t happen over night. While PCB was goofing off and its chairmen playing musical chairs, BCCI was putting effective talent nurturing systems in place for about 25-27 years.

To Pakistan fans, save the trash talk and comparisons for our annual clashes in Asia Cups Or whatever tournament we are scheduled to face each other in.

Other than that, nose to the grindstone and rebuild our cricket structure up from A to Z.

It’s sad that if we continue to fall away like we are doing, this so called rivalry will mean nothing anymore as India continues to hammer Pakistan away.

I personally believe that we should keep our comparison with India in a manner that will keep remind us to reach and surpass their standards which they have achieved and we can simply do that by the reassessment of our domestic structure and a honest board.

 

[batandballbattle]

To become close to being as strong for them you need big structural changes, which won't happen because we are content with playing musical chairs with the management every few months instead of imparting any kind of stability

 

[deltexas]

To be brutally honest , not fair to compair Pak with Ind. Pak had no international home cricket for 10 years - let that sink in ! Imagine if Ind was in that situation - there is no way they would have a champion team. Plus the IPL experience and the increased cash and way better facilities for Ind cricketers. Not fair to expect Pak team to be as the same level as Ind team. With all the deficiencies that they have - Pak team actually performs pretty decently in ICC global events..

 

[kron]

Countries like New Zealand and South Africa are living examples of the fact that you can play high quality international cricket even if the countries don't offer enough financial backing or sponsorship. The Pakistani team in comparison has much more resources than both these countries for Cricket therefore there is no excuse for our players to have fallen behind with the times.

cant compare. they are first world countries with better access to sports, nutrition and facilities.
we dont have that luxury. Also we have resources but not enough for such a large population.
lastly pakistani parents dont promote sports in general. Its always an afterthought.

whereas kiwis look at their parents, lot of them urge them to pursue parents from a young age.

 

[latecut]

When people compare Pakistan with India, they make incorrect assumptions eg that the two countries are comparable and similar. This assumption is incorrect. India has systems in place and law of rule is by and large followed. Long term investment is being made on infrastructure (including sporting infrastructure) whose results come after decades. Indian cricket is in decent shape because Indian economy is in decent shape which is a result of three decades of continuous reforms and investments.

Superficial comparison is meaningless when Pakistan does not have the systems and processes in place that India has.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

India's recent rise to the number one spot in all three cricket formats Tests, ODIs and T20Is has made waves in the cricketing world. While it's a proud moment for Indian cricket fans, it also has implications for Pakistan cricket. Let's look at how this might affect Pakistan and what steps the Pakistan Cricket Board could take.

Impact on Pakistan Cricket:

1.Increased Competition:

India and Pakistan have not played a bilateral series since 2014. However, whenever Pakistan has faced India at ICC or ACC tournaments since then, most games have been one sided. Now with India dominating in cricket across formats, the competition gets tougher for Pakistan. This means Pakistan faces a stronger opponent on the international stage, making the rivalry between the two cricketing giants more intense.

2. Marketing and Sponsorship Challenges:

India's ongoing success in cricket might overshadow Pakistan in terms of marketing and sponsorship deals. Sponsors often prefer successful teams, which could leave Pakistan with fewer opportunities for lucrative partnerships.

3. Pakistani Players Excluded from IPL:

India doesn't allow Pakistani players to participate in the IPL. The IPL, where top players from around the world showcase their skills, also disrupts major bilateral series. The absence of Pakistani players from the IPL deprives them of the chance to learn new techniques, share a dressing room, and play alongside in-form world-class players. In contrast, in the PSL, certain big names often refrain from participating until they retire.

What cautious measures and steps should Pakistan Cricket take to become as strong as India's cricket is today?

We can discuss, write essays as solutions, and everyone frankly knows what needs to be done to fix cricket in Pakistan.

But, What I am going to say belongs to Time Pass section but it is highly relevant here.
The current state is reflection of Pakistan messy political and economical affairs. Pakistan cricket is one of the few money and profit making institutions. Pakistan being highly corrupt, as well as not political stable brings the greedy elements to
be associated with PCB and leech off as much money as possible. The Zakas/Sethis etc are all there to make money with the help of there political masters.

There is simply no hope. Nothing is going to change. Pakistan Will be decent team for T20I though. Fans should be happy with that. Forget about Test and ODI cricket, which are dying formats anyways.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

India's recent rise to the number one spot in all three cricket formats Tests, ODIs and T20Is has made waves in the cricketing world. While it's a proud moment for Indian cricket fans, it also has implications for Pakistan cricket. Let's look at how this might affect Pakistan and what steps the Pakistan Cricket Board could take.

Impact on Pakistan Cricket:

1.Increased Competition:

India and Pakistan have not played a bilateral series since 2014. However, whenever Pakistan has faced India at ICC or ACC tournaments since then, most games have been one sided. Now with India dominating in cricket across formats, the competition gets tougher for Pakistan. This means Pakistan faces a stronger opponent on the international stage, making the rivalry between the two cricketing giants more intense.

2. Marketing and Sponsorship Challenges:

India's ongoing success in cricket might overshadow Pakistan in terms of marketing and sponsorship deals. Sponsors often prefer successful teams, which could leave Pakistan with fewer opportunities for lucrative partnerships.

3. Pakistani Players Excluded from IPL:

India doesn't allow Pakistani players to participate in the IPL. The IPL, where top players from around the world showcase their skills, also disrupts major bilateral series. The absence of Pakistani players from the IPL deprives them of the chance to learn new techniques, share a dressing room, and play alongside in-form world-class players. In contrast, in the PSL, certain big names often refrain from participating until they retire.

What cautious measures and steps should Pakistan Cricket take to become as strong as India's cricket is today?

Also there is no glory yet. We are yet to win an ICC trophy since past decade.
In Test Cricket I agree, need to win series in SA and NZ to stake claim to be best Asia team.

 

[Kianig89]

India's recent rise to the number one spot in all three cricket formats Tests, ODIs and T20Is has made waves in the cricketing world. While it's a proud moment for Indian cricket fans, it also has implications for Pakistan cricket. Let's look at how this might affect Pakistan and what steps the Pakistan Cricket Board could take.

Impact on Pakistan Cricket:

1.Increased Competition:

India and Pakistan have not played a bilateral series since 2014. However, whenever Pakistan has faced India at ICC or ACC tournaments since then, most games have been one sided. Now with India dominating in cricket across formats, the competition gets tougher for Pakistan. This means Pakistan faces a stronger opponent on the international stage, making the rivalry between the two cricketing giants more intense.

2. Marketing and Sponsorship Challenges:

India's ongoing success in cricket might overshadow Pakistan in terms of marketing and sponsorship deals. Sponsors often prefer successful teams, which could leave Pakistan with fewer opportunities for lucrative partnerships.

3. Pakistani Players Excluded from IPL:

India doesn't allow Pakistani players to participate in the IPL. The IPL, where top players from around the world showcase their skills, also disrupts major bilateral series. The absence of Pakistani players from the IPL deprives them of the chance to learn new techniques, share a dressing room, and play alongside in-form world-class players. In contrast, in the PSL, certain big names often refrain from participating until they retire.

What cautious measures and steps should Pakistan Cricket take to become as strong as India's cricket is today?

Its already gone, Indian cricket is incomparable with anyone now, they've created their own market with giants like Adidas & aramco their sponsors compare too china cuttings like Park View for Pakistan and a 3rd rate butter Amul for SL

 

[7sins]

We will never achieve what india team is achieving stop comparing it won't happen not in our lives

 

[AMSS]

We can speak about ''glory'' after the BIG SUNDAY.

 

[latecut]

Its already gone, Indian cricket is incomparable with anyone now, they've created their own market with giants like Adidas & aramco their sponsors compare too china cuttings like Park View for Pakistan and a 3rd rate butter Amul for SL

Amul a third rate butter company ? It is sponsoring as many as three world cup teams, viz Afghanistan, Sri Lanka and South Africa. Amul is an iconic Indian brand that brought in milk revolution as well as co operative revolution in India.

By the way, how many Pakistani first rate sponsors sponsored any world cup teams in this world cup ?

 

[7sins]

Stop taking everything so seriously..
He meant it as 3rd tier ..

Some Indian fans are softies they take everything seriously we know you guys are doing as a whole country you don't have to tell us over and over again. We are already doomed

 

[JaDed]

How is a 6 Billion USD company 3rd tier.. A company with huge market presence and it is a well known brand name.
Amul is synonymous with Butter.. every kid/adult in India knows the brand more then other larger brands.

3rd tier for Indian standards, if it was first tier it would be sponsoring us.

 

[JaDed]

Some Indian fans are softies they take everything seriously we know you guys are doing as a whole country you don't have to tell us over and over again. We are already doomed

Relax, wheel turns, turned for us in 1991, you were doing way better than us then. I’m sure it will turn for Pak in future.

 

[daytrader]

Pakistan Will be decent team for T20I though. Fans should be happy with that. Forget about Test and ODI cricket, which are dying formats anyways.

Agreed. This was our last chance for an ODI WC trophy and we under performed. Sadly don't see Pak being competitive in ODIs anymore.

Our fans though will forget about it once T20Is start.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its already gone, Indian cricket is incomparable with anyone now, they've created their own market with giants like Adidas & aramco their sponsors compare too china cuttings like Park View for Pakistan and a 3rd rate butter Amul for SL

Amul also sponsors Afghanistan.

Btw Amul is no small company. Its among world's largest dairy companies with turnover of close to usd 10bn.

PepsiCo sponsors Pakistan while Dream 11 sponsors India. But who pays more?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Amul is a relatively small company when compared to MNCs. Though it's cultural and economic impact is enormous.

Amul is amongst top 10 dairy companies of the world. Last year's turnover was close to 10bn usd.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I thought about it a bit more and why does India's glory in cricket becomes a cautionary tale?
Why England's glory in 2019 or Australias continuous cricket glory does not become cautionary tale for Pakistan to improve @FearlessRoar

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bharat’s last ICC trophy - 2013
Pakistan’s last ICC trophy - 2017

But i will say tournaments are overrated, the team should be consistently a top tier team.

West Indies also won more ICC trophies than Bharat since 2013 but look where they are now.

 

[par]

cant compare. they are first world countries with better access to sports, nutrition and facilities.
we dont have that luxury. Also we have resources but not enough for such a large population.
lastly pakistani parents dont promote sports in general. Its always an afterthought.

whereas kiwis look at their parents, lot of them urge them to pursue parents from a young age.

South Africa? First world?

 

[Monday Morning]

A lot has been said about structural problems in Pakistan cricket, so I won't go there.

But what is PCB's solution to the most pressing problem - Preventing bowler burnout from participation in pajama leagues? Unless you address this, the slide into irrelevance will be rapid (see West Indies).

 

[kron]

South Africa? First world?

Yes? Ofcourse compared to us.

 

[rhony]

There is no comparison. Whatever the OP is afraid of has already happened. All we hear from everyone involved in Pak cricket is "change the system" for two decades now. It's bogus

What Pak team needs is its own identity. Play fearless brand of cricket. The results aren't consistent anyway for a decade now. Instead of being boring, be interesting and fearless. You could lose a few initially but that's fine. SL 1996 team.shoud be the template. Open with a couple.of dashers. Babar should play the role of De Silva and should be able to play a long, fearless and attacking innings. Others should play around him at a decent SR. Bowling is already good except for a decent spinner. Scrapping to 270 on a 320 pitch doesn't get sponsors or viewers. Instead, go for 320 or get out for 180. This boring style has been ailing Bangladesh team for a while too. Afghans are showing the way and in a few years, the current SL team could do well too as they have a decent skeleton.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

SL Bowling was below par due to injuries but there batting is excellent. They are young so with time they can prosper.
But they are fearless definitely, whereas Pakistan were timid in Asia Cup and WC.

There is no comparison. Whatever the OP is afraid of has already happened. All we hear from everyone involved in Pak cricket is "change the system" for two decades now. It's bogus

What Pak team needs is its own identity. Play fearless brand of cricket. The results aren't consistent anyway for a decade now. Instead of being boring, be interesting and fearless. You could lose a few initially but that's fine. SL 1996 team.shoud be the template. Open with a couple.of dashers. Babar should play the role of De Silva and should be able to play a long, fearless and attacking innings. Others should play around him at a decent SR. Bowling is already good except for a decent spinner. Scrapping to 270 on a 320 pitch doesn't get sponsors or viewers. Instead, go for 320 or get out for 180. This boring style has been ailing Bangladesh team for a while too. Afghans are showing the way and in a few years, the current SL team could do well too as they have a decent skeleton.

 

[emranabbas]

It's impossible for pakistan to recover for atleast next 2 generations, mindset of the country is totally different compered to India. Alot has to do with politics and how imran khan has changed the mindset of the entire nation. Its more about hero worshipism than anything on merit. Pakistan has become a stubborn nation and will get to a point where pakiatanis will kill pakistanis over their hero worshipism just to prove a point or just so their ego ain't hurt. It is impossible for pakistanis to work on the same page. Unfortunately with this sort of mindset not only cricket but entire country will suffer and in the coming years you will probably see pakistan going the west indies and Zimbabwe route

 

[pakistani pride]

Relax, wheel turns, turned for us in 1991, you were doing way better than us then. I’m sure it will turn for Pak in future.

Nah bro, not happening. Pakistan as a country has fallen to a very low level. Cricket is just a game, but also a reflection of how the country is doing. Only old glory. They might save cricket if they act now. But it does not look good at all.

 

[asfandyar]

I believe, First Pakistan should invest in improving First-Class Cricket, making it attractive for international players similar to English county cricket.

Expanding the number of teams in the PSL is essential, ensuring the competition lasts at least two months. We should plan schedules that allow the participation of top international players.

For the U19 team, the coach should be someone who has played at least 100 test matches, and their contract should last 2-3 years.

I suggest the opposite since our economy is weak, quality of domestics is poor and selectors don't pay attention to domestics. Operate Pakistani cricket as a minimal viable product, like Afghanistan or West Indies:

• Scrap domestic cricket and encourage players to get contracts in foreign leagues.
• Use street cricket for selection in PSL and PSL for selection in internationals.
• Solicit videos for challenges (hitting 20 consecutive yorkers, hitting 360 degree sixes, finding gaps etc)
• Use SMS OTP-based selection, giving more power to the people and reducing hero-worshipism.
• Tell stories of unknown players on TV. Create rivalries like WWE. Glamorize cricket, but not like Pakistani movies.
• Divert surplus cash to men's football, women's tennis, junior chess and UFC/MMA.

 

[saqib.rai]

India's recent rise to the number one spot in all three cricket formats Tests, ODIs and T20Is has made waves in the cricketing world. While it's a proud moment for Indian cricket fans, it also has implications for Pakistan cricket. Let's look at how this might affect Pakistan and what steps the Pakistan Cricket Board could take.

Impact on Pakistan Cricket:

1.Increased Competition:

India and Pakistan have not played a bilateral series since 2014. However, whenever Pakistan has faced India at ICC or ACC tournaments since then, most games have been one sided. Now with India dominating in cricket across formats, the competition gets tougher for Pakistan. This means Pakistan faces a stronger opponent on the international stage, making the rivalry between the two cricketing giants more intense.

2. Marketing and Sponsorship Challenges:

India's ongoing success in cricket might overshadow Pakistan in terms of marketing and sponsorship deals. Sponsors often prefer successful teams, which could leave Pakistan with fewer opportunities for lucrative partnerships.

3. Pakistani Players Excluded from IPL:

India doesn't allow Pakistani players to participate in the IPL. The IPL, where top players from around the world showcase their skills, also disrupts major bilateral series. The absence of Pakistani players from the IPL deprives them of the chance to learn new techniques, share a dressing room, and play alongside in-form world-class players. In contrast, in the PSL, certain big names often refrain from participating until they retire.

What cautious measures and steps should Pakistan Cricket take to become as strong as India's cricket is today?

Are they really that strong??

They haven't won a SINGLE ICC tournament in 10 years
Never won a t20 World Cup since the IPL started
Never won WTC

Pakistan in the t20 and ODI format is just as strong as India if not better

In the test format, we CANNOT be as good a team as them, England or Australia
These teams play 12-13 test matches every year so have the leverage of giving longer runs to players
We cannot afford doing that unless your name is Shan Masood and you come from an influential family

 

[saqib.rai]

It's impossible for pakistan to recover for atleast next 2 generations, mindset of the country is totally different compered to India. Alot has to do with politics and how imran khan has changed the mindset of the entire nation. Its more about hero worshipism than anything on merit. Pakistan has become a stubborn nation and will get to a point where pakiatanis will kill pakistanis over their hero worshipism just to prove a point or just so their ego ain't hurt. It is impossible for pakistanis to work on the same page. Unfortunately with this sort of mindset not only cricket but entire country will suffer and in the coming years you will probably see pakistan going the west indies and Zimbabwe route

In cricket, private investors have put their money. So there would never be lack of funds for the performing cricketers

So it will never go the hockey route and will always be relevant

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I suggest the opposite since our economy is weak, quality of domestics is poor and selectors don't pay attention to domestics. Operate Pakistani cricket as a minimal viable product, like Afghanistan or West Indies:

• Scrap domestic cricket and encourage players to get contracts in foreign leagues.
• Use street cricket for selection in PSL and PSL for selection in internationals.
• Solicit videos for challenges (hitting 20 consecutive yorkers, hitting 360 degree sixes, finding gaps etc)
• Use SMS OTP-based selection, giving more power to the people and reducing hero-worshipism.
• Tell stories of unknown players on TV. Create rivalries like WWE. Glamorize cricket, but not like Pakistani movies.
• Divert surplus cash to men's football, women's tennis, junior chess and UFC/MMA.

what the hell..
nice sarcasm lol.

 

[saqib.rai]

Relax, wheel turns, turned for us in 1991, you were doing way better than us then. I’m sure it will turn for Pak in future.

What wheels turned for you exactly?

Didn't reach semis is 1992 and 1999. lost to Bangladesh in 2007 and got knocked out

Go to cricinfo, see Pak vs Ind head to head in ODI and Tests since 1991
We are BETTER
Even go to 2000, ODI and Test head to head is equal

Haven't won a SINGLE t20 world cup since the IPL started

Have never won the WTC

With the amount of resources you guys have because of
Cricket being the only sport
1.4 billion eyeballs

India has massively underperformed. As you guys are mentally very weak

Please dont act like India has reached the heights that Australia has since 1991

 

[rhony]

Are they really that strong??

They haven't won a SINGLE ICC tournament in 10 years
Never won a t20 World Cup since the IPL started
Never won WTC

Pakistan in the t20 and ODI format is just as strong as India if not better

In the test format, we CANNOT be as good a team as them, England or Australia
These teams play 12-13 test matches every year so have the leverage of giving longer runs to players
We cannot afford doing that unless your name is Shan Masood and you come from an influential family

That's the whole point. Haven't won anything but the Indian cricket TV rights are going for billions of dollars. Haven't won anything in the last decade but still beat Pak and others in this world cup. Haven't won anything but still didn't play Asia cup in Pakistan because they didn't want to. That's what OP is saying.


West Indies won 2 ICC tournaments in the last decade. SL won one. PAK won one. What happened after they won? Nothing.

So, the lesson is, winning here and there once in a blue moon doesn't attract sponsors. Winning consistently and winning abroad and at home against quality opposition with a big player pool wins eyeballs and hence sponsorships. Winning and playing with ccourage and playing an interesting brand of cricket brings sponsors.

 

[rhony]

Are they really that strong??

They haven't won a SINGLE ICC tournament in 10 years
Never won a t20 World Cup since the IPL started
Never won WTC

Pakistan in the t20 and ODI format is just as strong as India if not better

In the test format, we CANNOT be as good a team as them, England or Australia
These teams play 12-13 test matches every year so have the leverage of giving longer runs to players
We cannot afford doing that unless your name is Shan Masood and you come from an influential family

Let me slice this onion further so people like you can understand this easily.

If tomorrow, USA basketball national team loses FIBA world cup nobody cares. NBA will.still have its brand value. IPL is the gold standard of T20 cricket and the cash cow for BCCI. Sponsors will flock to.it because people will.watch it.

 

[asfandyar]

what the hell..
nice sarcasm lol.

Not sarcasm. With BCCI virtually being the owner of cricket and Pakistan on their hitlist, any investment you make will backfire. The main objective of competitive sport is to raise the national spirit. If performance-centric strategy is unlikely to bring us at par with other countries, why not adopt a people-centric strategy?

 

[saqib.rai]

Let me slice this onion further so people like you can understand this easily.

If tomorrow, USA basketball national team loses FIBA world cup nobody cares. NBA will.still have its brand value. IPL is the gold standard of T20 cricket and the cash cow for BCCI. Sponsors will flock to.it because people will.watch it.

Thread is about on-field performance

Not finances

But now that you bring it up, finances are there because you guys are 1.4 BILLION
otherwise even Bangladesh has a higher GDP per capita than India

 

[shortbread]

Countries like New Zealand and South Africa are living examples of the fact that you can play high quality international cricket even if the countries don't offer enough financial backing or sponsorship. The Pakistani team in comparison has much more resources than both these countries for Cricket therefore there is no excuse for our players to have fallen behind with the times.

Precisely, need to find a lean and efficient process that delivers results and the likes of NZ and SA are the best examples. These are nations that do not have big T20 competitions or massive economies, but the cricket team delivers results. Their players are fitter, better and carry more conviction in their abilities.

Need to stop with this India comparison, or trying to imitate the BCCI, IPL etc...

The PSL hasn't delivered the players that will become match winners in internationals. The stars the league does create will barely make it into any other top International playing 11. It's the domestics that needs a real focus on. The best cricketers Pakistan have created recently like Babar and Shaheen came from youth cricket and honed their skills in domestics. The star PSL created ie. Azam is fighting obesity.

A successful T20 cricket league is the result of a prosperous board, good domestic structure etc.... not the other way round.

 

[Sir Alex]

Thread is about on-field performance

Not finances

But now that you bring it up, finances are there because you guys are 1.4 BILLION
otherwise even Bangladesh has a higher GDP per capita than India

And Pakistan is 241 Million plus. Is their cricket at a proportional shape as compared to BCCI ?

 

[Markhor]

We must stop torturing ourselves with these futile comparisons with India.

India sells its TV rights packages for both IPL and international cricket for astronomical sums. PCB's TV deals aren't in the same orbit. This massively impacts the amount we can invest in coaching, domestic cricket, grounds and facilities.

India also has a stable political system, despite the well documented issues, whereas Pakistan is a byword for political turmoil. This translates into cricketing instability as the chairman is appointed by the PM.

Pakistan's shambolic economy limits private sector involvement and thus our commercial revenues - whereas India's economic reforms in early 90s turbocharged its private sector.

A better model is New Zealand who despite their limited financial resources and stiff competition from other sports still punch above their weight as a cricketing nation.

 

[saqib.rai]

We must stop torturing ourselves with these futile comparisons with India.

India sells its TV rights packages for both IPL and international cricket for astronomical sums. PCB's TV deals aren't in the same orbit. This massively impacts the amount we can invest in coaching, domestic cricket, grounds and facilities.

India also has a stable political system, despite the well documented issues, whereas Pakistan is a byword for political turmoil. This translates into cricketing instability as the chairman is appointed by the PM.

Pakistan's shambolic economy limits private sector involvement and thus our commercial revenues - whereas India's economic reforms in early 90s turbocharged its private sector.

A better model is New Zealand who despite their limited financial resources and stiff competition from other sports still punch above their weight as a cricketing nation.

And India not winning any ICC title for 10 years also shows that financial capability doesn't necessarily result in on-field performance

But gross mismanagement certainly leads to deterioration on the cricket ground as well

We just need to make cricket independent from the fuss that keeps on happening in the country. Because that will never stop

 

[JaDed]

What wheels turned for you exactly?

Didn't reach semis is 1992 and 1999. lost to Bangladesh in 2007 and got knocked out

Go to cricinfo, see Pak vs Ind head to head in ODI and Tests since 1991
We are BETTER
Even go to 2000, ODI and Test head to head is equal

Haven't won a SINGLE t20 world cup since the IPL started

Have never won the WTC

With the amount of resources you guys have because of
Cricket being the only sport
1.4 billion eyeballs

India has massively underperformed. As you guys are mentally very weak

Please dont act like India has reached the heights that Australia has since 1991

Economy Nd country’s progress please see the context.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Oh.. I see the usual suspect's same Rona Dhona again. Getting little boring tbh!!

 

[saqib.rai]

Economy Nd country’s progress please see the context.

What economy and progress?

Even Bangladesh has a higher GDP per capita

 

[JaDed]

What economy and progress?

Even Bangladesh has a higher GDP per capita

Even? They are doing pretty good as well, am happy for them.

 

[saqib.rai]

Even? They are doing pretty good as well, am happy for them.

If having GDP per capita 10 times smaller than China and 25 times smaller than USA is progress, then I don't know what to say.

At least as a Pakistani I accept my country is not doing well

 

[JaDed]

If having GDP per capita 10 times smaller than China and 25 times smaller than USA is progress, then I don't know what to say.

At least as a Pakistani I accept my country is not doing well

So this is your goal post scenario once again.
You can use similar logic to troll China too comparing them to US but I’m sure you already knew that..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistani players are, unfortunately, the lowest IQ players in the cricket world .

Very difficult for them to improve beyond a point because such players rarely understand what it takes to improve and perform at a very high standard.

This is also true of PCB to quite an extent.

This is why someone like a Saim Ayub is very important for Pakistan cricket. He is not only gifted but is quite the smart lad too. Also why Shan Masood is a good stop gap captain.

Also, the talent in the system is quite a bit overrated. For their actual ages , these guys are nowhere near where they should be in their development as international players.

Abdullah Shafique's white ball strike rotation is poor for his real age (around 26). As an example. Haider Ali is nowhere near international standard in any format and is also a pretty dumb guy . Gets out the same way every friggin time with no visible effort to get better.

Invest in legitimately young talents with a modicum of intelligence and you not only have potentially great players but also leaders and you won't struggle for captaincy options.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Cricket-India sports minister opposes Pakistan tour

India's sports minister is opposed to the national team's proposed cricket tour of Pakistan amid strained bilateral ties following last month's militant attacks in Mumbai.

"Is it possible for one team to arrive in Mumbai and indulge in mass murder, and have another team go and play cricket in the winter afternoon sun at Lahore immediately after," the minister, Manohar Singh Gill, told India's PTI news agency on Friday.

The Indian government has blamed a Pakistan-based militant group for the attacks and the sports minister's comments appear to end any chances of the series going ahead.

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has sought government permission for the Jan. 13 to Feb. 19 tour involving three tests, five one-day games and a Twenty20 international.

It has yet to receive a response but the chances of the tour going ahead are bleak following the attacks that killed at least 179 people.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ejaz Butt has travelled to meet his Indian counterparts in a bid to salvage the series, on the sidelines of an Asian Cricket Council meeting in Chennai.

International Cricket Council (ICC) chief executive Haroon Lorgat has suggested the teams should consider playing the series at neutral venues if the Indian government refuses permission to tour Pakistan.

A senior PCB official told Reuters other options were being looked into.

"The matter is in the hands of the Indian government, so we can only wait. If they don't want to tour Pakistan for some reason the possibility of playing at alternative venues will be discussed," Saleem Altaf, PCB chief operating officer, said.

Altaf said the PCB had started looking into other possibilities to arrange cricket for Pakistan's players.

"We have had some discussions but the process is still going on and we hope other nations will support us. It is becoming a very difficult situation for us," he said.

Pakistan has gone without a test this year and has had confirmed events postponed due to the troubled security situation in the country.

Source: Reuters

 

[kron]

They are strong in tests yes. We're number 1 for 5 years but they haven't won a icc title though? Semis and finals usually. So....?

 

[Buffet]

If Pakistani economy gets better then things will fall in place. It's a large populated cricket mad country with a rich history in cricket.

 

[RexRex]

Cricket-India sports minister opposes Pakistan tour

India's sports minister is opposed to the national team's proposed cricket tour of Pakistan amid strained bilateral ties following last month's militant attacks in Mumbai.

"Is it possible for one team to arrive in Mumbai and indulge in mass murder, and have another team go and play cricket in the winter afternoon sun at Lahore immediately after," the minister, Manohar Singh Gill, told India's PTI news agency on Friday.

The Indian government has blamed a Pakistan-based militant group for the attacks and the sports minister's comments appear to end any chances of the series going ahead.

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has sought government permission for the Jan. 13 to Feb. 19 tour involving three tests, five one-day games and a Twenty20 international.

It has yet to receive a response but the chances of the tour going ahead are bleak following the attacks that killed at least 179 people.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ejaz Butt has travelled to meet his Indian counterparts in a bid to salvage the series, on the sidelines of an Asian Cricket Council meeting in Chennai.

International Cricket Council (ICC) chief executive Haroon Lorgat has suggested the teams should consider playing the series at neutral venues if the Indian government refuses permission to tour Pakistan.

A senior PCB official told Reuters other options were being looked into.

"The matter is in the hands of the Indian government, so we can only wait. If they don't want to tour Pakistan for some reason the possibility of playing at alternative venues will be discussed," Saleem Altaf, PCB chief operating officer, said.

Altaf said the PCB had started looking into other possibilities to arrange cricket for Pakistan's players.

"We have had some discussions but the process is still going on and we hope other nations will support us. It is becoming a very difficult situation for us," he said.

Pakistan has gone without a test this year and has had confirmed events postponed due to the troubled security situation in the country.

Source: Reuters

This article is 15 years old !

 

[shortbread]

Ask the New Zealand cricket board to run PCB for 5 years.

There has been a complete lack of intelligent people inside PCB HQ for atleast 2-3 decades now. A board run by a musical chair system of familiar mediocre names in suits who wouldn't stand a chance in any decent international workplace, backed by a hand picked group of former players who were simply underachievers in their playing days and bring the same experience as board members. The nation itself has a severe lack of intelligentsia and the PCB is simply an extension of the same.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Nothing will change unless Pakistan's economy takes off.
A booming economy and a huge population will lead to an automatic improvement.

Another important factor that maybe politically incorrect, is the background of the players.

Pakistan cricket was at its peak when it was lead by educated players who came from affluent backgrounds such as imran and majid Khan.

The current players are just low iq paindoos with very low cricketing intelligence

 

[Champ_Pal]

If Pakistani economy gets better then things will fall in place. It's a large populated cricket mad country with a rich history in cricket.

Without proper funding available, its hard to achieve success. Only a few quality players might come out of the system due to sheer luck.
Pakistan Cricket situation could be due to the current economic mess they are in.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

What glory? How many world cups have India won since 2011?

 

[jnaveen1980]

They are strong in tests yes. We're number 1 for 5 years but they haven't won a icc title though? Semis and finals usually. So....?

Economy can only help you with consistency. Won't help you with choking That is upto individuals.

 

[Suleiman]

Nothing will change unless Pakistan's economy takes off.
A booming economy and a huge population will lead to an automatic improvement.

Another important factor that maybe politically incorrect, is the background of the players.

Pakistan cricket was at its peak when it was lead by educated players who came from affluent backgrounds such as imran and majid Khan.

The current players are just low iq paindoos with very low cricketing intelligence

Economy is overrated when it comes to sport.

Countries like Brazil and Argentina are not first world countries yet have world class teams in football. Brazil in combat sports as well.

Dagestan is a part of Russia, yes, but a lot of the fighters there stay in rural areas away from the glamorous coaching centers in the economic powerhouse cities yet still end up in the top percentile of combat athletes in the world.

Economy helps. But to think it’s the primary driving factor when Pakistan isn’t far off from the aforementioned countries (Russia aside) is just a cop out.

Even in cricket, The Caribbean was not peak of civilization in 60s-80s yet still dominated.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Economy is overrated when it comes to sport.

Countries like Brazil and Argentina are not first world countries yet have world class teams in football. Brazil in combat sports as well.

Dagestan is a part of Russia, yes, but a lot of the fighters there stay in rural areas away from the glamorous coaching centers in the economic powerhouse cities yet still end up in the top percentile of combat athletes in the world.

Economy helps. But to think it’s the primary driving factor when Pakistan isn’t far off from the aforementioned countries (Russia aside) is just a cop out.

Even in cricket, The Caribbean was not peak of civilization in 60s-80s yet still dominated.

Brazil and Argentina both have a much better economy, infrastructure and standard of living compared to Pakistan.

The gdp per capita of Brazil and Argentina is multiple times more than Pakistan.

The West Indies were great in the 70/80s but their cricket has died down in the modern era and one of the major reasons is their non existent economy

 

[latecut]

What economy and progress?

Even Bangladesh has a higher GDP per capita

Who says so ?
Instead of making statements that have no basis, it helps if one backs his statements by figures from authorised sources.

International Monetary Fund (IMF) maintains these figures. According to IMF:-

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/profile/BGD

Bangladesh Nominal GDP per capita (current prices) is $ 2.65k
Bangladesh PPP GDP per capita (current prices) is $ 9.41k

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/profile/IND

Indian Nominal GDP per capita (current prices) is $ 2.85k
Indian PPP GDP per capita (current prices) is $ 9.89k

So in which parallel world is Bangladesh ahead of India in higher GDP per capita ?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

What sort of glory for India it is in which they couldn't even remove the tag of home bullies.

 

[FearlessRoar]

India is playing back to back 5-test match series, first against England and next will be against Australia, while Pakistan is playing back to back 5-T20I series.

 

[FearlessRoar]

So now India is all set to play 5 test matches with Australia, and when was the last time Pakistan played a 5-test match series?

 

[BouncerGuy]

So now India is all set to play 5 test matches with Australia, and when was the last time Pakistan played a 5-test match series?

This is always the case for teams like Pakistan now. Not playing many test matches when compared to England, Australia or India.

I don't think Pakistan will ever play a 5-Test match series in the near future.

 

[arunp]

So now India is all set to play 5 test matches with Australia, and when was the last time Pakistan played a 5-test match series?

Pakistan could have if it could afford one.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Check the gap

It will take decades to even match India

 

[ElRaja]

So now India is all set to play 5 test matches with Australia, and when was the last time Pakistan played a 5-test match series?

i dont wanna see a 5-0 whitewash loss, its 1992 fwiw i think.

 

[Buffet]

Check the gap

It will take decades to even match India

Most wins does not matter. W/L matters.