India's failure to win an ICC Trophy since 2013 - Who's to blame?

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India Women's exit from the T20 World Cup adds to another episode in India's odd record in ICC events.

Both Men's and Women's teams have done considerably well in bilaterals and do well in group stages but just cannot hack it when it comes the crunch games.

What gives? Mentality, player selection, or just plain bad luck?

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This one was highly winnable. Australia gave up literally. That is when Kaur gifted the run out. But some of the other things were combination of mental and carrying of past by sell date passengers. Individuals don't win trophies in team game. Team wins. A successful team is the one team that has members backing each other. When top order fails middle order put up. When top order clicks, middle order complements. That is how Australia won 3 world cups in a row. They had their downs. But someone always put their hand up. That attitude was not visible with this Indian line up.
 
India Women's exit from the T20 World Cup adds to another episode in India's odd record in ICC events.

Both Men's and Women's teams have done considerably well in bilaterals and do well in group stages but just cannot hack it when it comes the crunch games.

What gives? Mentality, player selection, or just plain bad luck?

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lol...

India and West Indies have each won 5 ICC trophies, compared to Australia's 8 ICC trophies. Pakistan, on the other hand, has only won 3 in its entire cricketing history.
 
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lol...

"India and West Indies have each won 5 ICC trophies, compared to Australia's 8 ICC trophies. Pakistan, on the other hand, has only won 3 in its entire cricketing history.

We are talking about India here.
 
What is so special about India? Only Australia has won ICC trophies consistently among all cricketing nations.

nothing. thats the point.

Indian fans here claim that how their team is the best or amongst the top in the world by winning series, and yet they haven't won an icc tourament for the last 10 years
 
A combination of bad luck and bad selections.
 
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What is so special about India? Only Australia has won ICC trophies consistently among all cricketing nations.

Read my post again.

Thread is about India cricket.

Stick to it.
 
Since 2013 CT win, India Men reached Knockout of 7/8 ICC Trophies - 3 final and 4 semifinals.

2014 T20 WC, Lost in Final vs SL
2015 ODI WC, Lost in SF vs Aus
2016 T20 WC, Lost in SF vs WI
2017 ODI CT, Lost in final vs Pak
2019 ODI WC, Lost in SF vs NZ
2021 WTC Final, Lost in Final vs NZ
2022 T20 WC, Lost in SF vs ENG

Its a worrying trend since we should have won atleast 2 trophies from these 7 attempts. There are majority of factors already pointed out by OP and the results are due to combination of all of them.

But ,No team except England has won any ICC trophy twice during last 10 years. So, its not that other teams are winning trophies left, right or center.

Australia went 7 years since their last ICC trophy in 2015
England went 9 years since their last ICC trophy in 2010 ( before they won it again 3 years later)
Pak went 8 years since their last ICC trophy in 2009
SL went 12 years since their last ICC trophy in 2014
NZ went 21 years since their last ICC last ICC trophy in 2000

So, its not uncommon for teams to have a prolonged ICC trophy gap between their triumphs.

India will get another chance to win in WTC Final 23. I am hoping we will reverse the jinx this time.
 
Since 2013 CT win, India Men reached Knockout of 7/8 ICC Trophies - 3 final and 4 semifinals.

2014 T20 WC, Lost in Final vs SL
2015 ODI WC, Lost in SF vs Aus
2016 T20 WC, Lost in SF vs WI
2017 ODI CT, Lost in final vs Pak
2019 ODI WC, Lost in SF vs NZ
2021 WTC Final, Lost in Final vs NZ
2022 T20 WC, Lost in SF vs ENG

Its a worrying trend since we should have won atleast 2 trophies from these 7 attempts. There are majority of factors already pointed out by OP and the results are due to combination of all of them.

But ,No team except England has won any ICC trophy twice during last 10 years. So, its not that other teams are winning trophies left, right or center.

Australia went 7 years since their last ICC trophy in 2015
England went 9 years since their last ICC trophy in 2010 ( before they won it again 3 years later)
Pak went 8 years since their last ICC trophy in 2009
SL went 12 years since their last ICC trophy in 2014
NZ went 21 years since their last ICC last ICC trophy in 2000

So, its not uncommon for teams to have a prolonged ICC trophy gap between their triumphs.

India will get another chance to win in WTC Final 23. I am hoping we will reverse the jinx this time.

Thanks for that.

All one can say is that given the resources that India has in terms of match-winners and the interest in the team, it is surprising that they havent won any ICC tournament since 2013.
 
Mentally weak cricketers, who crack under pressure.

They don’t show up on knockout days and have faced some humiliating defeats in these knockout games.
 
Mentally weak. Today's game the two crucial dismissals - of Jemima and Herman - were due to mental weakness.
Men's team is having selection issues. Selectors are in their own world.
 
lol...

India and West Indies have each won 5 ICC trophies, compared to Australia's 8 ICC trophies. Pakistan, on the other hand, has only won 3 in its entire cricketing history.

Pakistan or their fans don't claim to be the best in the world or they don't call their team the greatest either. With all the facilities, money and power India has under achieved when it comes to winning trophies and tournaments. Bringing Pakistan into discssion and feeling good about that isn't going to change the reality. :inti
 
Pakistan or their fans don't claim to be the best in the world or they don't call their team the greatest either. With all the facilities, money and power India has under achieved when it comes to winning trophies and tournaments. Bringing Pakistan into discssion and feeling good about that isn't going to change the reality. :inti

No doubt India has underachieved in white ball cricket losing all those knockouts. No fan can claim that India to be No.1 white ball team in the last 10 years ( they probably are in top 3 with respect to win ratio)

But there is also no doubt about India being the top test nation in the period from 2016-23 ( ongoing). Few achievements

- No.1 ICC ranking ICC for about 5 years
- 2 WTC Final *
- Unreal domintaion at home
- Super competitive away and important win/draw tests vs top teams every series.
- Whitewash away teams like SL, WI & BD

Moving forward, its going to be England though as they have reinvented test cricket with their brand of cricket. India can challenge them as they enter the transition phase.
 
No doubt India has underachieved in white ball cricket losing all those knockouts. No fan can claim that India to be No.1 white ball team in the last 10 years ( they probably are in top 3 with respect to win ratio)

But there is also no doubt about India being the top test nation in the period from 2016-23 ( ongoing). Few achievements

- No.1 ICC ranking ICC for about 5 years
- 2 WTC Final *
- Unreal domintaion at home
- Super competitive away and important win/draw tests vs top teams every series.
- Whitewash away teams like SL, WI & BD

Moving forward, its going to be England though as they have reinvented test cricket with their brand of cricket. India can challenge them as they enter the transition phase.

REASON FOR ICC mens teams failure

-no 1 Kohli

a batsman who fails to show up in crunch games with any consistency. a captain who groomed the worst batsmen to play for odi and t20 cricket . the whole of above period was his captaincy mainly .

-wrong selections for crunch games, big ego , thwarting of younger batsmen etc few traits which kohli will be remembered. while he encouraged fast bowling and was lucky to have the spin twins at his disposal , in limited overs and in test wtc finals, he has been a champion of bad selections.

coaching - meek coaching surrendered to kohli captaincy in limited overs and teams were invariably imbalanced

ipl-ipl has enhanced indian cricketers while made india poor in icc tournaments. indian cricketers are exposed to worlds top batsmen .indian team has no unknown commodity. injuries in ipl lead to poor outcomes. players try to peak in ipl and hence when time comes for icc tournaments, a semifinal appearance is saisfactory for them .

finally, seniority and talunt culture is to blame. curent examples

tests-

pujara and kohli are past their sell by dates. their record and avg last two years speaks for itself. still you dont find kohli playing domestic or pujara playing ranji . india was known to field players in form-vvs laxman is a good example. now we pick these in form players for a teams and keep them in a teams until somebody dies or rots like rahane

odi

this format , india has done decently. in icc tournaments , india has ended up with poor middle order. historically , teams that have won world cups have rock solid middle order. aussies had michael bevan etc. india had yuvraj singh and dhoni. england and new zealand bat till no 8-9 with solid middle order.
last 5 years india had jorneymen middle order batsmen. vijay shankar and ambati rayudu are examples of players with very little talent and somehow got in when infact shaw, gill etc might have been playing or should have been playing

t20

this is the most interesting format and perhaps india will be successful inthis format first
-india did not have long tail and our top 3 were essentially stat padding in t20
-strike rate rather than avg is key and our players bought in this idea late. rahane and kohli played well against west indies but were not going flat out in the wc final . kohli took 5 more years to learn from that and still is not a finished product. sky has shown how to play he game ...

going ahead why i am optimistic

tests

-rohit has shown good leadership . he keeps faith in players, has a plan and leads from the front. india with gills emergence, sarfaraz etc in wings is bound to be top 3. wtc finals is one off and should not be a big deal imo. no 1 test ranking is more validated and i would prefer to look at how much time a team can stay no 1

odi and t20

rohit has shown improtance of strike rate and is willing to play a 30 ball 45 which is the template this team is following. they dont stop at 100 and all want to continue high strike rate and big 100s. bowling is very strong with pace, swing etc.

my prediction

-next odi world cup -india wins

-world test championship final- 50-50 absence of pant is reason aussies can win. if india manages to get gill and sky in this team, there is a chance we will win it with ease.

-next t20 world cup- india will be finalists. will be between india and england. england will win but india will have head high

kohli being sacked as captain has been biggest positive. chetan sharma not as selector is another huge positive.
 
i know it is team game and everyone should deliver, selectors should select proper team blah blah yada yada...but i think the major reason is the big key players failing on the crucial day. these big key players perform in all the bilaterals for years, against top sides too, and then fail on the crucial day. what are selectors, mannagement supposed to do with this behaviour of the key players? rohit, bumrah, bhuvi, kohli exhibited this behaviour. play well for all the years and fail on 1-2 D days. can't drop, can't continue & expect success. frustrating.

big fan of rohit, but he seldom delivers on knockout days. consider 2019 WC he was bashing every team and even with such kind of form he failed to deliver on knockout day. this is well past worrying sign, these are proofs that he doesn't cope well with knockout pressure. it is tough on a batsmen to pressurise him to deliver on 1-2 particular days too, but such is the cruelty of knockout tournaments. he might fail in the WTC 2023 finals and crucial days of WC 2023 as well, its okay, i am used to it now. he'll still be my fav player but from team's perspective going forward india need to search & groom players who can withstand knockout pressure.

you can blame others in the team but what's the point if your star players don't deliver on judgement days. people like rohit, bumrah, kohli need to stand up on crucial days and then we can pin point fingers at other players.
 
No doubt India has underachieved in white ball cricket losing all those knockouts. No fan can claim that India to be No.1 white ball team in the last 10 years ( they probably are in top 3 with respect to win ratio)

But there is also no doubt about India being the top test nation in the period from 2016-23 ( ongoing). Few achievements

- No.1 ICC ranking ICC for about 5 years
- 2 WTC Final *
- Unreal domintaion at home
- Super competitive away and important win/draw tests vs top teams every series.
- Whitewash away teams like SL, WI & BD

Moving forward, its going to be England though as they have reinvented test cricket with their brand of cricket. India can challenge them as they enter the transition phase.

how many icc trophies? 0
 
lol...

India and West Indies have each won 5 ICC trophies, compared to Australia's 8 ICC trophies. Pakistan, on the other hand, has only won 3 in its entire cricketing history.

Typical Indian fan you guys are emotional for nothing


-the thread is not insulting indian cricket, it is asking how come it cant get cross the line to win an ICC trophy despite making semi finals or finals having a good team to win each time.

-the question OP is asking is simple who is to blame, is it players, coaches, management, pressure, a combonation of all etcc...again this is not saying India is a bad team, rather it is saying India is a good team, and did not do justice to his talent.

- thread is asking about India and as a typical emotional Indian fan you bring up Pakistan and other teams and mention how many ICC trophies they won all time ( it would have made sense if you mentioed the best 10 years, since this is what the thread is talking about India not being able to win since 2013) even than it wouldnt make sense to bring up other teams since the topic is about India and India alone and the fact that they were not able to win since 2013 despite having world class talent
 
Yeah I think its the egos of our players..its disappointing as an Indian too, with women atleast it’s understandable as they defn aren’t as good as England and Aus, but Ind Men’s team are just plain disappointing.
 
nothing. thats the point.

Indian fans here claim that how their team is the best or amongst the top in the world by winning series, and yet they haven't won an icc tourament for the last 10 years

Substantiate that with examples please instead of going off on rants. Before 2019 World Cup , most of us said our team is crap.
 
2015 semi loss cannot be considered some kind of unexpected debacle. vs Australia in Australia chasing 300 plus. India was never favorites there. In 2019 India should have beaten NZ. T20 losses should be taken with a pinch of salt though as one man can take away game from you.
 
Why the richest board in the world has failed to win any icc tournament in the last 10 years?

The world's richest cricket board in the world, with a very high influence, currently holds to championship title. Be it the Champions trophy title, World T20 title, World Cup tile or the Test Championship title.

India last won an ICC tournament in 2013, when they won the champions trophy, but even Pakistan took that away from them in 2017.

10 years, and they end up choking in ICC tournaments.

Yes yes, they do reach the semis or the finals, but still they end up losing.

World T20 2014: Runner Up (Lost to Sri Lanka)
World Cup 2015: Semi Finalist (Lost to Australia)
World T20 2016: Semi Finalist (Lost to West Indies)
World Champions Trophy 2017: Runner Up (Lost to Pakistan)
World Cup 2019: Semi Finalist (Lost to New Zealand)
World Test Championship 2021: Runner Up (lost to New Zealand)
World T20 2021: Group Stages (Lost to Pakistan and New Zealand)
World T20 2022: Semi Finalist (Lost to England)
World Test Championship 2023: Runner Up (Lost to Australia)

India has been knocked out from ICC tournaments by 6 different opponents in the last 10 years. It seems as if teams prefer facing India in ICC tournaments, especially in knock out games as its much easier facing them and defeating them, compared to some other team playing that balances the game better.

During the last 10 years, playing India in the semi final or final has meant a surety in win, especially when it came to winning the tournament.

They tried Kohli, and now they have tried Rohit Sharma.

Many Indian fans see there team as equivalent to the Australia of the 90s and 2000s that had a crazy winning streak and every team used to fear, while in Indias case its the opposite.

Why has the richest board failed to winning any trophy in the past 10 years and not hold a Championship title on any of the current ICC trophies?
 
Id rather have India's runners up record to major silverware than lose 3-0 at home against England in Test cricket
 
Add one more to that list

Although a little harsh as getting to the finals is a huge accomplishment
 
Add one more to that list

Although a little harsh as getting to the finals is a huge accomplishment

who cares?

babar got into the World T20 2022 finals out of no where.

If the standard for our captains is to win ICC tournaments, than lets keep the same standard for every other country and captain aswell.
 
What is so special about India? Only Australia has won ICC trophies consistently among all cricketing nations.

Behave! Indians boast money, Indians boast the BCCI is the most powerful board since 2011, and boast the IPL being the richest cricket tournament in the world, and being better than any other ICC trophy - this is what makes India special according to Indian fans, and you know it.

The reality is when money is the motive, you will more than often end up on the losing side, as proven.

Still, there is now a growing contingent among Indians claiming second place is the new 1st place.
 
Of all of the loses in the OP, the one that stands out has to be the CT 2017 final.

That Indian ODI team had one of the best lineups in living memory - but somehow India still managed to lose it.
 
- The length of the IPl
- Our pathetic excuses of test wickets
- Our reluctance to prepare true sporting wickets even in Ranji trophy
- Our media hype on IPL
- Lack of succession planning by BBCI
- The whole emphasis on money, celebrity culture and other associated trappings.
Unless we change this, we will continue to be joint favourites but never going the distance.
 
who cares?

babar got into the World T20 2022 finals out of no where.

If the standard for our captains is to win ICC tournaments, than lets keep the same standard for every other country and captain aswell.

Tests are ultimate 'tests' - to play consistently well to get to the final is nothing to be scoffed at.
 
Behave! Indians boast money, Indians boast the BCCI is the most powerful board since 2011, and boast the IPL being the richest cricket tournament in the world, and being better than any other ICC trophy - this is what makes India special according to Indian fans, and you know it.

The reality is when money is the motive, you will more than often end up on the losing side, as proven.

Still, there is now a growing contingent among Indians claiming second place is the new 1st place.

Growing contingent amongs indians claiming second place is the new 1st place is between your ears. AS per you, the olympics should never have silver and bronze medals.

We will still go away our heads high as the 2nd best test team over the last 4 years where as you continue to wallow in your own shallow saltiness...
:fizz
 
Indian got into the WTC thanks to Pakistan’s home series whitewash which no one was expecting.

It seems even when Pakistan gift India a final spot, India still manages to lose it.
 
Growing contingent amongs indians claiming second place is the new 1st place is between your ears. AS per you, the olympics should never have silver and bronze medals.

We will still go away our heads high as the 2nd best test team over the last 4 years where as you continue to wallow in your own shallow saltiness...
:fizz

No one remembers Silver or Bronze medals.

Tell me who won the Silver and Bronze in the 100m finals of the previous olympics? You cannot without Google, but you do remember the Gold medalists. So stop this second/third place nonsense and go watch some highlights.

Grab a Kleenex mate, Pakistan did India a favour by getting whitewashed against England, and you still lost.
 
The world's richest cricket board in the world, with a very high influence, currently holds to championship title. Be it the Champions trophy title, World T20 title, World Cup tile or the Test Championship title.

India last won an ICC tournament in 2013, when they won the champions trophy, but even Pakistan took that away from them in 2017.

10 years, and they end up choking in ICC tournaments.

Yes yes, they do reach the semis or the finals, but still they end up losing.

World T20 2014: Runner Up (Lost to Sri Lanka)
World Cup 2015: Semi Finalist (Lost to Australia)
World T20 2016: Semi Finalist (Lost to West Indies)
World Champions Trophy 2017: Runner Up (Lost to Pakistan)
World Cup 2019: Semi Finalist (Lost to New Zealand)
World Test Championship 2021: Runner Up (lost to New Zealand)
World T20 2021: Group Stages (Lost to Pakistan and New Zealand)
World T20 2022: Semi Finalist (Lost to England)
World Test Championship 2023: Runner Up (Lost to Australia)

India has been knocked out from ICC tournaments by 6 different opponents in the last 10 years. It seems as if teams prefer facing India in ICC tournaments, especially in knock out games as its much easier facing them and defeating them, compared to some other team playing that balances the game better.

During the last 10 years, playing India in the semi final or final has meant a surety in win, especially when it came to winning the tournament.

They tried Kohli, and now they have tried Rohit Sharma.

Many Indian fans see there team as equivalent to the Australia of the 90s and 2000s that had a crazy winning streak and every team used to fear, while in Indias case its the opposite.

Why has the richest board failed to winning any trophy in the past 10 years and not hold a Championship title on any of the current ICC trophies?

Maybe your estimate of 'influence' is over rated considering that same 'influence'd did not win us ICC championships since 2012. or you might be honest enough to say that same 'influence' won us 2013, 2011 wc or 2007 t 20.
I doubt if enough indian fans see us like WI or Aus teams of the past.

And tell javed M what he wants is not going to happen in the near forseeable future as i doubt if we are gonna tour a particular place.
 
Tests are ultimate 'tests' - to play consistently well to get to the final is nothing to be scoffed at.

doesnt matter. No one celebrates the runner up or who came second. Only the winner matters which is Australia.

Had it been Pakistan losing the finals here the usual people would had said that Pakistan fluked its way or deserves to lose.

Pakistan maintained a very good record in t20 cricket, but did that matter no? THe standard was winning the trophy, and same standard gets applied to all teams and captains now.

Plus, we are reminded that BCCI is a rich board and has influence and can do whatever it feels like for its own beenfit, this final loss makes it even more hilarious.

Atleast Pakistan holds the champions trophy, while India holds on to no ICC trophy
 
Aur khelo IPL.

It is no coincidence the rise of the IPL is inversely proportional to India’s failure at the International stage.
 
Maybe your estimate of 'influence' is over rated considering that same 'influence'd did not win us ICC championships since 2012. or you might be honest enough to say that same 'influence' won us 2013, 2011 wc or 2007 t 20.
I doubt if enough indian fans see us like WI or Aus teams of the past.

And tell javed M what he wants is not going to happen in the near forseeable future as i doubt if we are gonna tour a particular place.

Every team sees India as the Bangladesh of ICC play off games. Easier to face and beat.

How is the south hemisphere trophy treating u?
 
No one remembers Silver or Bronze medals.

Tell me who won the Silver and Bronze in the 100m finals of the previous olympics? You cannot without Google, but you do remember the Gold medalists. So stop this second/third place nonsense and go watch some highlights.

Grab a Kleenex mate, Pakistan did India a favour by getting whitewashed against England, and you still lost.

Going by Kleenex - that would have been short supply in your 0-3 home series...:)..
more seriously, the real sports fans would remember the medal podium finishers, real passion comes from celebrating the sport, everyone knows who came first.
Peace bro!
 
Going by Kleenex - that would have been short supply in your 0-3 home series...:)..
more seriously, the real sports fans would remember the medal podium finishers, real passion comes from celebrating the sport, everyone knows who came first.
Peace bro!

So you do not remember the Silver and Bronze medal winners from the last Olympics. Thought as much.

Make sure your kleenex is aloa vera coated.

:)
 
doesnt matter. No one celebrates the runner up or who came second. Only the winner matters which is Australia.

Had it been Pakistan losing the finals here the usual people would had said that Pakistan fluked its way or deserves to lose.

Pakistan maintained a very good record in t20 cricket, but did that matter no? THe standard was winning the trophy, and same standard gets applied to all teams and captains now.

Plus, we are reminded that BCCI is a rich board and has influence and can do whatever it feels like for its own beenfit, this final loss makes it even more hilarious.

Atleast Pakistan holds the champions trophy, while India holds on to no ICC trophy

Had it been your guys loosing the finals, i would hold them as the 2nd best without putting the boot in when my own team didnt get off the blocks leave alone competing even thought the schedule was heavily inour favour
 
Indian got into the WTC thanks to Pakistan’s home series whitewash which no one was expecting.

It seems even when Pakistan gift India a final spot, India still manages to lose it.

If india has won the test, then it would have been a gift from pakistan till the end of time.

So blessing in disguise.
 
Indian fans should be protesting outside of BCCI offices for their abject failure in ICC tournaments since 2013 instead of finding solace in 2nd place and pigeoned holed stats.

Youtube traffic will be up today, lots of historical highlights will be streamed.
 
Had it been your guys loosing the finals, i would hold them as the 2nd best without putting the boot in when my own team didnt get off the blocks leave alone competing even thought the schedule was heavily inour favour

sure.

anyways, why India chokes in ICC tournaments? THey are very rich
 
Reduced to pigeon holing stats now. I thought celebrating 2nd and 3rd place was bad enough.

And it’s not 0-12 anymore, wipe those tears.

Just like Arsenal fans celebrating finishing second like it's winning a trophy. Nobody remembers runners up in a year let alone five years!
 
No shame losing to this Australian side, which is genuinely world class.

We lost to far inferior opponents in the past out of nowhere , so this doesn't even sting that much.
 
There are certain individuals here who are quick to boast about BCCI money, BCCI's power, IPL blah blah but they always stay away from threads like these. :inti
 
They’re unlucky. Winning the first time is the hardest. After that it becomes easier, you’re used to winning. But going through multiple tournaments and not winning builds pressure and after a while you just get that choker tag.

Easy in hindsight, but maybe Dhoni should have captained a few more years. He stayed so many years even after captaincy and even looking at his IPL recent win, perhaps him being in the team and not captaining is a waste. Dhoni has an aura about him when he’s captained, he’s won multiple times so is used to it , and I think India would have won one or two tournaments more. The India team might have had more belief being captained by a serial winner like Dhoni. It’s a shame because they’ve been arguably the strongest team for a decade or so, and little to show for it, despite going in as favourites for most tournaments. They’re still strong, but England are usually favourites now in most tournaments.

I think they will win this test mace soon enough. Just the format of it, India can regularly come in the top 2 and get a chance. In LOI tournaments they might get shut out, you might see a dominance by England winning them all.
 
It's the players. They aren't as good a quality as they're made out to be by the media. Add a 6 month home season and you get the privileges of excellent averages, win rates etc. Add the IPL and the players are playing a lot more cricket than others.

Amalgamation of all of these factors.
 
What I fear for team India is that not everytime they going to be as good as to reach so many ICC event semi finals and finals. They've failed to convert so many chances in the last 10.years into an ICC trophy. Question is for how long will those chances keep coming? Other teams are once again improving and I'm afraid we are yet to find out next superstar.

I fear this Indian team could be a team on the decline for the next few years.
 
lol...

India and West Indies have each won 5 ICC trophies, compared to Australia's 8 ICC trophies. Pakistan, on the other hand, has only won 3 in its entire cricketing history.

You run the game, make ten times the money as us and have a great team. Yet only two more trophies.
 
India are nothing more than a failed cricketing nation. Imagine having all these advantages:

A 1bn population who all play only ONE sport
Practically unlimited funds
They literally run cricket (BCCICC)
Doctor all their home pitches so nobody apart from them can ever win a test there

Yet look at the results. You could give Mongolia all of the above and they would win you at least one trophy within 10 years!

Indians need to stop getting so excited over balance sheets and start holding your board to account, because heads should be rolling at these humilating results in ICC tournaments.
 
You give PCB the same resources India have and I’m pretty sure Pakistan would still be ranked 7 in a WTC calendar
 
You want the truth?
India cannot win championships because there is no one who is capable of taking an opposing team and willing his team to victory. They're the New York yankees without the benefit of a championship culture.
Kohli, Sharma, Dravid, et al need to take a hard look in the mirror. They are their own worst enemies. Granted, most of us are our own worst enemies, but it's particularly bad in this situation given the public visibility.
It has nothing to do with luck. Championships are won because the team comes together, and decides that they want to win the match. The CT2017 is such an example. No one had given PK any chance of winning that after the opening match annihilation. Mickey Arthur pulled everyone into the room and forced them to look into the mirror. That is why Pakistan could win four matches in a row, that is why every win was bigger than the last, and suddenly the tables had turned on India in a final.
I've seen this frequently in the NHL. The best team in the regular season gets so used to winning with ease that when they get to the playoffs, they lose in the first or second round. It happened in 2018 with the Tampa Bay lightning-they regrouped, won two championships in a row, and went to a third Stanley Cup Final the year after that.
I'd say dump the entire bunch and force open competitions. Make people fight their way into the team. Maybe VK and RS will earn their place back into the team, or some motivated youngsters from India's good development system will beat them out.
 
Now they will truly appreciate the power of Dhoni. That man was a born champion and Indian fans were so quick to push him out because they felt they had a long line of superstars waiting. But winning is an art that Dhoni the leader had nailed and no one in India comes close.

India should consider bringing him back as basically a specialist captain and he’ll do a much better job than Rohit or Kohli. I guarantee india have a better than in the ODI World Cup with dhoni as captain and him being half the player he was.
 
Poor planning. Should have been in England atleast two weeks ago and played a few county matches. I don't understand why the IPL is given such priority. The league is established enough for it to function without it's top stars.
 
It's not rocket science, you need only look at the response in the past 24 hours.

Complaining about umpiring, complaining about scheduling, complaining about venue, complaining about format.

Their players cannot handle the pressure of the big games and have an absolutely terrible attitude, hence the lack of inward reflection and desire for self improvement and instead the endless complaining about irrelevant external factors (which every team deals with).
 
India’s clutch players are past their best or retired.

They need a post aane do and pre CT13 type of rejuvenated line up with the past it players being dropped. It’s been 10 years since… it’s time for a shake up.
 
I blame the Indian public.

For supporting a franchise league that is single handedly destroying their test team, exposing a massive lack of talent for the game, and assisting the destruction of the game as a whole.
 
My post ages well

We lost wtc final and it was a one off match . Indian team without pant , bumrah lost to a team in ascendency .

Next is odi World Cup . Expect india to do well . Nurturing SKY and Ayer will be the key .
Ind vs England is likely final with pakistan being dark horses .
 
Time for a complete revamp to happen, like the one that happened after our 2007 WC exit.
 
I blame the Indian public.

For supporting a franchise league that is single handedly destroying their test team, exposing a massive lack of talent for the game, and assisting the destruction of the game as a whole.

LOL Indian TEST is actually one of the strongest, otherwise you dont reach back to back finals.
 
Its quite shambolic that the Board that practically runs cricket have 0 trophies to show for in their cabinet in the past 10 years. To top it off in the last decade SL, Pak, Aus, WI, NZ and England all have won trophies. This means India along with SAF and Bangladesh are the only top teams without any cups. Whilst SAF are serial chokers and being alongside Bangladesh in any category is quite a let down for India.

Its actually quite baffling how they haven't been able to win anything in the last decade. They have some clutch players like Kohli, Jadeja, Bumrah or Rohit who you can back in a big game and with numerous experience of IPL games we were told every Indian player even playing is A sides are pressure resistant material but this just ended up as hot talk as no one from their international side was able to walk this talk.
 
Blame for what? We didn't have a competitive team to win the icc tournaments so what's there to blame for. Why did you not start Facebook? Because Zuckerberg was smarter than all of us and we just didn't have it in us to build faceook. There's no one to be blamed for it. If someone still needs to find a reason, though not everything needs to have a reason (ordinary teams are ordinary teams), you could say selection to keep giving the same players chances after chances and hoping they will deliver when they aren't just good enough.
 
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