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India's lie exposed - The U.S. says no F16s were downed by India

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If this goes into the mainstream indian media and they start criticising modi i wonder what that chai wala will do.
 
First Indians think 2 stars are Chinese drones. Then they flaunt anti satellite tech only to cause a mess for international space station and now this. Please ask for Pak to be isolated more, it’s working !!
 
Did India Shoot Down a Pakistani Jet? U.S. Count Says No.

ndia’s claim that one of its fighter pilots shot down a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet in an aerial battle between the two nuclear powers in February appears to be wrong. Two senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the situation told Foreign Policy that U.S. personnel recently counted Islamabad’s F-16s and found none missing.

The findings directly contradict the account of Indian Air Force officials, who said that Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman managed to shoot down a Pakistani F-16 before his own plane was downed by a Pakistani missile.

It is possible that in the heat of combat, Varthaman, flying a vintage MiG-21 Bison, got a lock on the Pakistani F-16, fired, and genuinely believed he scored a hit. But the count, conducted by U.S. authorities on the ground in Pakistan, sheds doubt on New Delhi’s version of events, suggesting that Indian authorities may have misled the international community about what happened that day.

The news comes just days before the start of India’s general elections, in which Prime Minister Narendra Modi is seeking another term in office. In the weeks leading up to the election, tensions between India and Pakistan escalated to levels not seen in decades after a Pakistan-based militant group killed more than 40 Indian security officers in a Feb. 14 suicide bombing in India-controlled Kashmir. Both sides have been accused of spreading disinformation and fanning nationalistic flames.

Although the news likely won’t sway Indian voters, Vipin Narang, an associate professor of political science at MIT, said the way the events have unfolded may affect India’s efforts to deter Pakistan in the future.

“As details come out, it looks worse and worse for the Indians,” Narang said. “It looks increasingly like India failed to impose significant costs on Pakistan, but lost a plane and a helicopter of its own in the process.”

The dogfight between the two nations occurred on Feb. 27, when India says a group of Pakistani jets entered its airspace in response to the first Indian air raid on Pakistani territory since a 1971 war. India scrambled its own jets and gave chase. During the aerial battle that ensued, Varthaman took a missile hit and ejected safely into Pakistani territory.

He was captured by the Pakistani army and released days later in an effort to de-escalate the crisis.

One of the senior U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the count said that Pakistan invited the United States to physically count its F-16 planes after the incident as part of an end-user agreement signed when the foreign military sale was finalized. Generally in such agreements, the United States requires the receiving country to allow U.S. officials to inspect the equipment regularly to ensure it is accounted for and protected.

Some of the aircraft were not immediately available for inspection due to the conflict, so it took U.S. personnel several weeks to account for all of the jets, the official said.

But now the count has been completed, and “all aircraft were present and accounted for,” the official said.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/04/did-india-shoot-down-a-pakistani-jet-u-s-count-says-no/
 
As if anyone needs to prove them wrong. I have one rule for anything claimed by Indian media and its politicians. Its a lie unless backed up by some physical evidence.
 
As if anyone needs to prove them wrong. I have one rule for anything claimed by Indian media and its politicians. Its a lie unless backed up by some physical evidence.

We all knew it was a lie but this is THE proof. They'll be really hurt now.
 
Exposes what we all knew to be true. Wondering which news outlets will cover this in bharat
 
The above article also said Pakistan based group carried out the attack in which 40 indian soldiers died, which is an outlandish claim as there is no credible evidence for it.
 
USA, aka the Big Satan cannot be trusted. They have a long history of lies. I would always trust what the state of India says over USA or its allies.
 
Lol India is getting embarrassed on this matter every week at this point.

Best would be for them to cut their losses and admit the truth so there will be one final humiliation and the weekly embarrassment they face at this point
 
Lol. One media source naming unknown sources.

This is like that Manu Pubby article on Mi 17 crash. Now people know why he wrote it, his name is in Agusta corruption case chargesheet.
 
And yet despite this you will find some Indians still vehemently defend this fairytale.

If tomorrow IAF says that they have now recruited dragons into the air force, some of these folks will believe even that.
 
rolaayvgaa kyaa,, by the way this abhi nandan saga has been thoroghly enjoyed by pakistan, India can whin whatever they want. chill.
 
And Indians wonder why India has become the laughing stock of the World.
 
imagine US have found there is one f16 missing .They would have gotten nuts and publically humiliated pakistan while Indian pm with 56 inch chest would have called quick press conference to further boast his election compain
 
Some of the Indian posters still wont belive the truth. It's like deep down they already know the truth but act like they dont.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India has claimed it shot down a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet in February. But a new U.S. count of F-16s suggests New Delhi had it wrong. An exclusive report from <a href="https://twitter.com/laraseligman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@laraseligman</a><a href="https://t.co/5niEfWMqpm">https://t.co/5niEfWMqpm</a></p>— Foreign Policy (@ForeignPolicy) <a href="https://twitter.com/ForeignPolicy/status/1113956733184086016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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It doesn't matter to be honest. This was a surgical strike on the Indian opposition and on that front it has been incredibly successful. Modi has outmaneuvered his political opponents and convinced the public that he taught Pakistan a lesson. What actually happened is irrelevant.
 
American news publication Foreign Policy has claimed in a report quoting unnamed US defense officials. "

Read before you post.

If you're questioning "Foreign Policy" then check on the internet and look at its authenticity. It's authentic according to many people. Better than Ndtv or times of india. You seem to believe them without any proof.
 
American news publication Foreign Policy has claimed in a report quoting unnamed US defense officials. "

Read before you post.

Would you have believed it if the news was the other way around validating IAF claim of downing the F-16?
 
Is this even a newz? I mean are there still people who think India shot down a F16? I am talking about serious people, not some delusional nationalists like Arnab Goswami’s chamchey.
 
Lol @ the news source :91:

Everyone knows what happened. IAF jets went inside Pakistan (1st time since 1971) and bombed Jaish camps in Balakot. They stayed in Balakot airspace for 20 mins and returned safely. Pak got embarrased....tried to send their jets to India next day to attack our army but failed. IAF jets chased them out and in the process 2 of our jets went down and 1 pilot being captured. Imran, fearing Indian aggression started talking about peace immidiately and let off Abhinandan next day. Pak opened their balakot airspace after 5 weeks since the attack.
 
American news publication Foreign Policy has claimed in a report quoting unnamed US defense officials. "

Read before you post.

You are lost soul .Your denial won.t change the fact.The above article is written by American journalist not by Pakistani
 
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Lol @ the news source :91:

Everyone knows what happened. IAF jets went inside Pakistan (1st time since 1971) and bombed Jaish camps in Balakot. They stayed in Balakot airspace for 20 mins and returned safely. Pak got embarrased....tried to send their jets to India next day to attack our army but failed. IAF jets chased them out and in the process 2 of our jets went down and 1 pilot being captured. Imran, fearing Indian aggression started talking about peace immidiately and let off Abhinandan next day. Pak opened their balakot airspace after 5 weeks since the attack.

Quite a spin. Thought about writing a fiction book?
 
If you're questioning "Foreign Policy" then check on the internet and look at its authenticity. It's authentic according to many people. Better than Ndtv or times of india. You seem to believe them without any proof.

Whats the proof that foreign policy gave? Un named sources?

One month back this same magazine and writer wrote a piece elaborating how India is in a need to buy american jets like F16 or F18s.
 
You are lost soul .Your denial won.t change the fact.The above article is written by American journalist not by Pakistani

The same journalist who wrote and elaborated how India should desperately buy the F16 or F18?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India has claimed it shot down a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet in February. But a new U.S. count of F-16s suggests New Delhi had it wrong. An exclusive report from <a href="https://twitter.com/laraseligman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@laraseligman</a><a href="https://t.co/5niEfWMqpm">https://t.co/5niEfWMqpm</a></p>— Foreign Policy (@ForeignPolicy) <a href="https://twitter.com/ForeignPolicy/status/1113956733184086016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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NDTV, HindustanTimes all reporting this.... Not looking good for India this.
 
The same journalist who wrote and elaborated how India should desperately buy the F16 or F18?

Pentagon correspondent. We have Lockheed Martin staff on the ground in Pakistan. They monitor and ensure their products are being used properly and deal with any issues between their client and the company. When you buy a LM product you buy this service too. They have accounted for all of our 75 odd F16's including the MLU ones. You cannot hide from this now.

Indians are very good at quoting "the world" when is suits them but go mum when "the world" says something they dont like.
 
Lol @ the news source :91:

Everyone knows what happened. IAF jets went inside Pakistan (1st time since 1971) and bombed Jaish camps in Balakot. They stayed in Balakot airspace for 20 mins and returned safely. Pak got embarrased....tried to send their jets to India next day to attack our army but failed. IAF jets chased them out and in the process 2 of our jets went down and 1 pilot being captured. Imran, fearing Indian aggression started talking about peace immidiately and let off Abhinandan next day. Pak opened their balakot airspace after 5 weeks since the attack.

Your entire news network is the establishment's propaganda tool that spouts complete and utter rubbish which I'm afraid people like you lap up with aplomb.

Way too may terrorists in India. Sort out your own terrorism problem before accusing others of harbouring it and that too without any shred of evidence.

By the way, please don't bother replying to my post. I will not engage in a discussion with a terrorist and you are being added to my ignore list.
 
Lol @ the news source :91:

Everyone knows what happened. IAF jets went inside Pakistan (1st time since 1971) and bombed Jaish camps in Balakot. They stayed in Balakot airspace for 20 mins and returned safely. Pak got embarrased....tried to send their jets to India next day to attack our army but failed. IAF jets chased them out and in the process 2 of our jets went down and 1 pilot being captured. Imran, fearing Indian aggression started talking about peace immidiately and let off Abhinandan next day. Pak opened their balakot airspace after 5 weeks since the attack.

Hahaha..this nonsense has been thoroughly debunked by others. If you were flying around in Pakistani airspace for 20 minutes why not take advantage and take out more "camps"? and why miss your target? I mean how incompetent is your airforce that they flew around for 20 minutes and achieved nothing. Zilch..

it takes 3 minutes for most aircraft to get up into the air, are you telling me that the PAF that shot down your plane(s) sat back and let you fly around for 20 minutes? its the most stupid ridiculous nonsense anyone can ever come up with..its beyond laughable and makes you sound like a complete idiot. it takes seconds to fly a few miles in a jet fighter. You "loitered" for 20 minutes which means you were flying around our airspace on a joyride? lol..

The fact is you came , missed, ran back, puffed your chests expecting a meek response like last time, we came the enxt day, shattered your airdefences in broad daylight, bombed your military while your brass was having whiskey, came back and then hammered your mighty interceptors so hard your PM started crying for his mummy raphael. End of. We have the evidence to back up 99% of our claims. You have nothing...nada, zilch..except India today and the Bakht news networks..now pelase go and do some naval gazing and ask why you spend ten times more than us on defence and cant even shoot down some "Chinese Junk"..
 
Your entire news network is the establishment's propaganda tool that spouts complete and utter rubbish which I'm afraid people like you lap up with aplomb.

Way too may terrorists in India. Sort out your own terrorism problem before accusing others of harbouring it and that too without any shred of evidence.

By the way, please don't bother replying to my post. I will not engage in a discussion with a terrorist and you are being added to my ignore list.

Bro this emotional drama sounds very good but its far from reality, both you and I know it. Name 1 terrorist living in India protected by Indian govt who is in the most wanted list of UN. Next, go to UN website and search for top 100 terrorists....you will (yourself) verify how many residing in Pak.

Its not even a point of debate but a fact established and documented long time back.
 
Would you have believed it if the news was the other way around validating IAF claim of downing the F-16?

Believed? He would have been the first one to create the thread here. Joshila jee has been known for using sources wherever it suits his agenda. :inti
 
When all enemies outside and the traitors inside have joined hands to malign India, it means Modi ji must be doing something right. First they laugh at you and then you win.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Allah be praised, truth always prevails. Time for India to speak truth about false claims & actual losses on their side including the second aircraft shot down by Pakistan. India needs introspection especially over atrocities in IOK. Region needs peace, progress & prosperity. <a href="https://t.co/5eCsQDSDYD">https://t.co/5eCsQDSDYD</a></p>— Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1114096887177646082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This was due to happen. Truth can't be hide for a long period. Let see what will be the new cover up stories.
 
Nowadays, an Indian lie being exposed can barely even be considered news, such is the regularity of it.
 
Nowadays, an Indian lie being exposed can barely even be considered news, such is the regularity of it.

Agreed.
But the fascinating thing is not the lies but that so many gullible indians who believe every word of it.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Republic TV and such should now claim this was used to fool the Americans into thinking all the F-16s are present and accounted for <a href="https://t.co/2E4NWtTOFl">pic.twitter.com/2E4NWtTOFl</a></p>— Zarrar Khuhro (@ZarrarKhuhro) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZarrarKhuhro/status/1114102485197705216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Agreed.
But the fascinating thing is not the lies but that so many gullible indians who believe every word of it.

It's their coping mechanism for these situations, where they become a laughing stock on the international stage.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Allah be praised, truth always prevails. Time for India to speak truth about false claims & actual losses on their side including the second aircraft shot down by Pakistan. India needs introspection especially over atrocities in IOK. Region needs peace, progress & prosperity. <a href="https://t.co/5eCsQDSDYD">https://t.co/5eCsQDSDYD</a></p>— Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1114096887177646082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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He needs to tell who was the second pilot and who was admitted in the CMH hospital.
 
The downed F16 is from Jordan, bought second hand. USA only counted its own F16 given directly to PAF, not second hand imports

https://thediplomat.com/2014/02/pakistan-purchases-f-16s-from-jordan/

All F16's are sold with teh approval of the US and LM. They counted all of them thats why ot took them seven weeks as we have CAPs running at until last week..Please stop, just admit it.it will be better for your mental health..start questioning your own defence officials..
 
All F16's are sold with teh approval of the US and LM. They counted all of them thats why ot took them seven weeks as we have CAPs running at until last week..Please stop, just admit it.it will be better for your mental health..start questioning your own defence officials..

final nail in coffin would be ISPR should public the video of dog fight with abhanandan jet and also the second pilot whose story is yet to be revealed
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh dear how embarrassing <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> if you are going to lie at least try something more believable? Everyone knows you guys can’t aim. When you lie you don’t hurt others, you hurt yourself. The great nation of India can do better. Its people deserve better. <a href="https://t.co/i19LWo4Dea">https://t.co/i19LWo4Dea</a></p>— BilawalBhuttoZardari (@BBhuttoZardari) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari/status/1114071724193140736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh dear how embarrassing <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> if you are going to lie at least try something more believable? Everyone knows you guys can’t aim. When you lie you don’t hurt others, you hurt yourself. The great nation of India can do better. Its people deserve better. <a href="https://t.co/i19LWo4Dea">https://t.co/i19LWo4Dea</a></p>— BilawalBhuttoZardari (@BBhuttoZardari) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari/status/1114071724193140736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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BB enters!

:))) We may send lil Billu equipped with iphone-hellokitty-case to the LOC to bully Indian army :)))






:afridi
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Republic TV and such should now claim this was used to fool the Americans into thinking all the F-16s are present and accounted for <a href="https://t.co/2E4NWtTOFl">pic.twitter.com/2E4NWtTOFl</a></p>— Zarrar Khuhro (@ZarrarKhuhro) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZarrarKhuhro/status/1114102485197705216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Man this is epic.

Sad part is a TV channel reported this plastic as 'evidence' and I am sure more than 1 viewer believed their propaganda :yk
 
O boy embarrassment keeps piling up for India on the international stage. Glad it is finally for the amount of fake and propaganda their government and media spreads. It's funny how Indian fans try to defend all the comical lies, you can only laugh at them.

Whole mini war saga has brought India down on its knee and has royally embarrassed them in the world. Wholly deserved :)
 
He needs to tell who was the second pilot and who was admitted in the CMH hospital.

Perhaps the pilot either died or landed in Indian occupied territory. Most likely he died and of course the Indian Government will not want that information to get out to its public. Losing one pilot and then having him returned was a PR disaster for India, but losing two pilots would have been catastrophic.

Perhaps you should be demanding this information from the Indian Government rather then from the military of the of opposition camp?
 
Perhaps the pilot either died or landed in Indian occupied territory. Most likely he died and of course the Indian Government will not want that information to get out to its public. Losing one pilot and then having him returned was a PR disaster for India, but losing two pilots would have been catastrophic.

Perhaps you should be demanding this information from the Indian Government rather then from the military of the of opposition camp?

I mean Indians were even denying losing the pilot we did have. They denied it for hours and only accepted it when we showed video proof. Had we not done that to this day Indians would never have accepted or admitted we shot down their plane.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh dear how embarrassing <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> if you are going to lie at least try something more believable? Everyone knows you guys can’t aim. When you lie you don’t hurt others, you hurt yourself. The great nation of India can do better. Its people deserve better. <a href="https://t.co/i19LWo4Dea">https://t.co/i19LWo4Dea</a></p>— BilawalBhuttoZardari (@BBhuttoZardari) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari/status/1114071724193140736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Trying hard to get rid of the "you are speaking Indias language" acusation..the lady doth protest too much methinks..

i just wish he would just shut up..
 
Well said.

whats interesting is that the Russians have kept completley quiet. i mean the reputation of their premier fighter aircraft is being destroyed all over the place and they are shtum. Silence..Why? it says alot..
 
This doesn't look good. Although question is why would a country in middle of conflict get USA to count its plane inventory. US totally dominates Pakistan foreign policy?
 
This doesn't look good. Although question is why would a country in middle of conflict get USA to count its plane inventory. US totally dominates Pakistan foreign policy?

Is this a serious question?
Tell me you're joking or had a brain freeze?
 
Immy69 think about it friend. It doesn't look good for Pakistani powerful army that they can be bossed around like that by USA in middle of conflicts. Do the army report to imran or USA? But I will stop this line of questioning if its upset you.
 
Anybody with half a brain knew india was lying, that's why they had to rely on their bollywood social media puppets to tweet fake news so it seemed real, they knew that the louder they were about it then the realer it'd seem and they could fool most of india's emotional and not very educated population.
 
Immy69 think about it friend. It doesn't look good for Pakistani powerful army that they can be bossed around like that by USA in middle of conflicts. Do the army report to imran or USA? But I will stop this line of questioning if its upset you.

Ok so you're not joking :)

If any country in the world buys an F16 from the states, they have stringent regulations as to how they can be used and they keep a very close inventory on their sales. If a country is going to make allegations that they shot down an F16 then the states will be all over it.

Its quiet simple really. I'm surprised you asked.
 
For America, war is a multi-trillion dollar business & the F16 is a global brand. There is no way the US can ever admit that a MIG 21 shot down an F16. It will bury the brand for ever & will raise questions on other US weapon systems. Embarrassing for US.
 
For America, war is a multi-trillion dollar business & the F16 is a global brand. There is no way the US can ever admit that a MIG 21 shot down an F16. It will bury the brand for ever & will raise questions on other US weapon systems. Embarrassing for US.

arrrh I see.
So its not the "source" of the information, it is America trying to protect its brand?

I'm looking forward to the next excuse from our Indian friends.
 
Immy69 yes you are right but the message it sends is that Pakistan army reports to USA. It also now proves that neither imran nor modi had anything to do with pilot return. It was USA - it's obvious that Pakistan cant afford to anger USA .
 
For America, war is a multi-trillion dollar business & the F16 is a global brand. There is no way the US can ever admit that a MIG 21 shot down an F16. It will bury the brand for ever & will raise questions on other US weapon systems. Embarrassing for US.

still holding on desperately..i'm starting to admire the idiocy..lol..

Youa re aware that in the culture we live in in pakistan we would have known the name of the pilot within 24 hrs..plus videos of the wreckage and other things being leaked..in Pakistan the janaza has to be a public event and nobody would have kept it quiet. Its just not possible..every pind living individual has a phone now..

You need to come down and question what your vaunted armed forces were doing..
 
Immy69 yes you are right but the message it sends is that Pakistan army reports to USA. It also now proves that neither imran nor modi had anything to do with pilot return. It was USA - it's obvious that Pakistan cant afford to anger USA .

Please Please stop..seriously..its getting stupid now..
 
Immy69 yes you are right but the message it sends is that Pakistan army reports to USA. It also now proves that neither imran nor modi had anything to do with pilot return. It was USA - it's obvious that Pakistan cant afford to anger USA .

Now you're going off on another tangent.

Honestly, some introspection is necessary from the Indians across the boarder and those settled around the world.
 
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