India's potent pace attack for the 2017 Champions Trophy

[Kabir81]

Indian team was never known for its pace attack apart from streaks of individual brilliance like Kapil Dev, Javagal Srinath and Zaheer Khan.

But in this current CT17 Indian team the pace attack consist of:

Md. Shami and Umesh Yadav both of whom have proven themselves at the Test level with both Pace and Accuracy.

Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, the Purple cap holder at the recent IPL 17 . A very skillfully bowler who also has picked pace specially when bowling yorkers

The young Jasprit Bumrah, who is curently rated as the best death bowler in the world with his unusual action and ability to control the slow and fast yorkers and bouncers.

The team might not have bowlers like Varun Aaron to bowl at 150 kmph, but these 4 bowlers can contain batsmen and more importantly take wickets. Plus all 4 can bowl at 140+ and are skilled at bowling yorkers.

The Indian pace attack for the first time is looking formidable. Plus they would most likely get green tops to bowl in England at the CT17

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

One of the most promising pace attacks I've ever seen from India.

Umesh and Shami (if he gets back to full fitness) are outstanding bowlers who have improved by miles in recent times. Both bowl brilliantly with the old ball too.

Bhuvi is an excellent new ball bowler, who loves bowling in England (was oustanding in 2014 test series) and one of the best death bowlers in the world.

Bumrah is also an exceptional yorker bowler at the death.

Add Ashwin/Jadeja to that and they have a very strong attack. Imo, the 3rd best overall attack after Australia and SA.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Howver, they will not get greentops. Pitches for the county matches recently have been very flat and in general, ODIs in England recently have been very high scoring.

 

[ads101]

Shami's always been excellent, very good ODI bowler. B Kumar been a bit strange his career, looked excellent early on, then fell off. Though think he will do well if he's returned too form as you said and wickets will suit him.

I don't see Yadav doing well, guy leaks runs like crazy, feel like the other two will outperform him. Though in truth i haven't seen Yadav bowl recently just on past experience of watching him. varun is even worse in this regard, I don't see him being played honestly.

But yeah bowling attack looks pretty decent.

 

[Kabir81]

Varun is not in the CT17 team.

Umesh used to be inconsistent but the recent tests have shown here has got control with pace and to top off he is virtually like a bull and unbreakable. Hardy gets unfit.

It's just Shami who needs to be careful with his Fitness

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Aaron should not play a game barring some injury. The guy is a trash bowler.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Very promising attack and reasonably young as well. Better than Pakistan's and almost as good as Bangladesh's pace attack.

 

[Kabir81]

Aaron should not play a game barring some injury. The guy is a trash bowler.

Aaron is NOT in the CT17 team.

In case of injury there are a younger and fitter lot of pacers waiting in India.

Likes of Shardul thakur and Basil Thampi

 

[ads101]

Varun is not in the CT17 team.

Umesh used to be inconsistent but the recent tests have shown here has got control with pace and to top off he is virtually like a bull and unbreakable. Hardy gets unfit.

It's just Shami who needs to be careful with his Fitness

ah yeah my bad.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

It is potent from India's point of view, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, England and New Zealand all have better Pace attack than them.

 

[IamIndian]

It is potent from India's point of view, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, England and New Zealand all have better Pace attack than them.

But still India have won more ICC trophies than South Africa, Pakistan, England and New zealand.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

But still India have won more ICC trophies than South Africa, Pakistan, England and New zealand.

It has nothing to do with their pace attack, their batting is the main reason for their success.

 

[Kabir81]

The Champions Team is always balanced. Be it Batting, Bowling or Fielding.

It's the team effort rather than individual "star" quality that counts in the long run

 

[Sidilicious]

It is potent from India's point of view, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan, England and New Zealand all have better Pace attack than them.

Could you please provide me the stats of the bowling performance in 2015 WC of Pakistan and England to prove your theory?

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Excellent pace attack. All 4 are good compare to Pakistan in which only 2 are good.

Indian team on paper is far stronger than Pak and I dont get why Indians are downplaying their team.

 

[Kabir81]

I pray the pitches are green so that all 4 Indian fast bowlers get chance to play in the playing 11.

That'll be some sight. All 4 on top of their game and all 4 different type of bowler.

Its Just that a Zaheer type quality left hand quick is missed

 

[Zak_Fan]

It has nothing to do with their pace attack, their batting is the main reason for their success.

I see some brothers are still deluded about Pakistani pace attack.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Very good attack.. Totally expecting them to get us 30/4 inside first 10.

 

[Kabir81]

Can't ignore that fact that the Indian pace attack never looked this good.

And I am not even mentioning Hardik Pandya here

 

[Dios]

It is a good attack. Bumrah at the death is what sets this attack apart.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Whats with the unreasonable love for Umesh Yadav? The guy has WORSE stats than Wahab Riaz. That takes some doing.

Shami and Kumar are decent. Bumrah is the best Indian pacer by a mile and will be relied upon, in addition to Ashwin and Jadeja, to choke the opposition.

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[Kabir81]

Whats with the unreasonable love for Umesh Yadav? The guy has WORSE stats than Wahab Riaz. That takes some doing.

Shami and Kumar are decent. Bumrah is the best Indian pacer by a mile and will be relied upon, in addition to Ashwin and Jadeja, to choke the opposition.

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It's obvious you haven't seen this bull of a guy bowl his heart out in the recent tests that India has played

 

[Usman Chadda]

It's obvious you haven't seen this bull of a guy bowl his heart out in the recent tests that India has played

I have seen Wahab bowl his heart out and win us a few matches here and there aswell. I still believe he's an ordinary bowler. Yadav has worse stats than this particular ordinary bowler. Make of that what you will.

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[Coconut]

Bumrah is currently the world's best odi/t20 bowler, Bhuvi's swing will come handy in England, Shami has been performing exceptionally well for last couple of years.

I think for the first time in history of Indian cricket it's bowling is looking stronger than its batting.

 

[Kabir81]

I have seen Wahab bowl his heart out and win us a few matches here and there aswell. I still believe he's an ordinary bowler. Yadav has worse stats than this particular ordinary bowler. Make of that what you will.

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OK you win. If that makes you happy

 

[Coconut]

I have seen Wahab bowl his heart out and win us a few matches here and there aswell. I still believe he's an ordinary bowler. Yadav has worse stats than this particular ordinary bowler. Make of that what you will.

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Yadav has improved leaps and bounds in last couple of years. He's one of the main reasons of India' s success in test cricket.

But I'm also not so confident about his bowling in limited overs cricket. Let's see how he does in the upcoming ct

 

[Kabir81]

Bumrah is currently the world's best odi/t20 bowler, Bhuvi's swing will come handy in England, Shami has been performing exceptionally well for last couple of years.

I think for the first time in history of Indian cricket it's bowling is looking stronger than its batting.

I won't say Stronger than its Batting..

but would certainly say that the bowling (especially fast bowling) no longer looks to be the excuse and weak link

 

[Zak_Fan]

Whats with the unreasonable love for Umesh Yadav? The guy has WORSE stats than Wahab Riaz. That takes some doing.

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Has been vastly superior to Wahab since 2012 (and he is improving every season), something that is even more impressive given the dead Indian tracks he bowls on.

Shami and Kumar are decent. Bumrah is the best Indian pacer by a mile and will be relied upon, in addition to Ashwin and Jadeja, to choke the opposition.

Decent? Shami is easily among the best ODI pacers today.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Indian spin attack is average. Dont rate Ashwin and Jadeja in odis.

 

[Ellipsism]

Bumrah is currently the world's best odi/t20 bowler, Bhuvi's swing will come handy in England, Shami has been performing exceptionally well for last couple of years.

I think for the first time in history of Indian cricket it's bowling is looking stronger than its batting.

Bumrah now the best OD/IT20 bowler based on IPL performance?

 

[Kabir81]

Bumrah now the best OD/IT20 bowler based on IPL performance?

Yes

IPL = The world's best power hitters
IPL= Dead and Flat Indian pitches

 

[Usman Chadda]

Has been vastly superior to Wahab since 2012 (and he is improving every season), something that is even more impressive given the dead Indian tracks he bowls on.



Decent? Shami is easily among the best ODI pacers today.

Yet he still has worse stats than a bowler whose bashed consistently by his own fans. So take this 'vastly superior' argument somewhere else. Its the results that matter at the end of the day and Yadav is not good enough to be an international class fast bowler going by his stats.

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[Kabir81]

Yet he still has worse stats than a bowler whose bashed consistently by his own fans. So take this 'vastly superior' argument somewhere else. Its the results that matter at the end of the day and Yadav is not good enough to be an international class fast bowler going by his stats.

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Fair enough. You win

 

[Ellipsism]

Yes

IPL = The world's best power hitters
IPL= Dead and Flat Indian pitches

I'm lost for words...

 

[Mamoon]

Best bowling attacks in the Champions Trophy:

Australia
South Africa
India
New Zealand
England
Pakistan/Sri Lanka
Bangladesh

 

[asfandyar]

BCCI's marketing strategy is quite impressive. They have successfully managed to create a fan following (even on PP) of inferior bowlers such as Bhuwaneshwar (avg 39.62@4.95) and Umesh Yadav (avg 33@6.01).

 

[Pollack]

BCCI's marketing strategy is quite impressive. They have successfully managed to create a fan following (even on PP) of inferior bowlers such as Bhuwaneshwar (avg 39.62@4.95) and Umesh Yadav (avg 33@6.01).

Doesn't matter our inferior bowlers always perform better than some of the so called superior bowlers in ICC trophies.
I agree bhuvi and umesh (Odis/ t20 but not test) are inferior bowlers compared to say Australian and Saffers but still Bhuvi better than Amir and Umesh better than hasan ali. Hehehe.. Shami better than any pakistani bowler currently or any Asian bowler currently.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

BCCI's marketing strategy is quite impressive. They have successfully managed to create a fan following (even on PP) of inferior bowlers such as Bhuwaneshwar (avg 39.62@4.95) and Umesh Yadav (avg 33@6.01).

Lol no kidding

 

[Zak_Fan]

Yet he still has worse stats than a bowler whose bashed consistently by his own fans. So take this 'vastly superior' argument somewhere else. Its the results that matter at the end of the day and Yadav is not good enough to be an international class fast bowler going by his stats.

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But far superior stats in the last 5 years, hence people rating him higher.

Yes I agree that both of them have been pretty crap overall, but Umesh's recent praise comes after he has transformed as a bowler. His fast bowling has been a highlight in last many series.

 

[Zak_Fan]

BCCI's marketing strategy is quite impressive. They have successfully managed to create a fan following (even on PP) of inferior bowlers such as Bhuwaneshwar (avg 39.62@4.95) and Umesh Yadav (avg 33@6.01).

Since numbers is all you go by, you would also agree that Shami and Bumrah >> any Pakistani bowler? Right?

 

[Titan24]

I see some brothers are still deluded about Pakistani pace attack.

And for all those getting delusional. There is a thing called stats in cricket, here are few:
Bhuv kumar: Matches; 59, Wickets; 61, Avg; 39.62 (So much for being world class)
U Yadav: Matches; 63, Wickets; 88, Avg; 33.69

Yes Shami is pretty good record wise while Bumrah and Pandya have played not a lot of matches.

On the ther hand
Hassan Ali: Matches; 16 (2 five wickets haul), Wickets; 29, Avg; 26.24
Mohammad Amir; Matches; 32, Wickets; 50, Avg; 27.12
Junaid Khan; Matches; 58, Wickets; 86, Avg; 28.9

While Pakistani spinners have a better average in comparison to Indian bowlers but sample size is too small.

 

[saeed5646]

BCCI's marketing strategy is quite impressive. They have successfully managed to create a fan following (even on PP) of inferior bowlers such as Bhuwaneshwar (avg 39.62@4.95) and Umesh Yadav (avg 33@6.01).

lol that is savage bro

only bumrah is decent

 

[Pollack]

And for all those getting delusional. There is a thing called stats in cricket, here are few:
Bhuv kumar: Matches; 59, Wickets; 61, Avg; 39.62 (So much for being world class)
U Yadav: Matches; 63, Wickets; 88, Avg; 33.69

Yes Shami is pretty good record wise while Bumrah and Pandya have played not a lot of matches.

On the ther hand
Hassan Ali: Matches; 16 (2 five wickets haul), Wickets; 29, Avg; 26.24
Mohammad Amir; Matches; 32, Wickets; 50, Avg; 27.12
Junaid Khan; Matches; 58, Wickets; 86, Avg; 28.9

While Pakistani spinners have a better average in comparison to Indian bowlers but sample size is too small.

Lol. Who says Bhuvi is World class? He is a swing reliant bowler and on swinging conditions he would outbowl Amir 8/10 times.Amir would be better on flatter conditions bowling in opening and middle overseas. In death over bhuvi would edge out Amir again due to his newly acquired skills and accuracy. He was bowling different types of slower balls, knuckle balls , Yorkers, change of pace was spot on in IPL.
Umesh Yadav is not an ODI bowler. He is a work in progress. He has improved a lot in tests recently if you have watched the recent series.
Shami and bumrah are world class bowlers. Bumrah is without any doubts best death bowler in the world.

 

[Titan24]

Lol. Who says Bhuvi is World class? He is a swing reliant bowler and on swinging conditions he would outbowl Amir 8/10 times.Amir would be better on flatter conditions bowling in opening and middle overseas. In death over bhuvi would edge out Amir again due to his newly acquired skills and accuracy. He was bowling different types of slower balls, knuckle balls , Yorkers, change of pace was spot on in IPL.
Umesh Yadav is not an ODI bowler. He is a work in progress. He has improved a lot in tests recently if you have watched the recent series.
Shami and bumrah are world class bowlers. Bumrah is without any doubts best death bowler in the world.

Remember the series Pak tour of Ind, he couldnt even out ball Junaid Khan on singing conditions let alone Amir. I like the bhuvi swings the ball but that swing is limited to first 2, 3 overs and after that he has not a lot up his sleeve. I doubt even bhuvi can say that he is of the caliber of Amir as of now, nor the stats say any thing different. Amir has gained his rhythm so stage will be set for him in the champions trophy. IPL is a different ball game with quality of cricket being arguable but lets see how much he has improved. One bowler is limited to conditions and other bolwer Yadav according to you is limited to test matches. Shami is pretty good but he is returning from injury and Bumrah has just played 11 matches as of now, cant say someone to be world class with such little number of matches.

 

[geraltofrivia]

BCCI's marketing strategy is quite impressive. They have successfully managed to create a fan following (even on PP) of inferior bowlers such as Bhuwaneshwar (avg 39.62@4.95) and Umesh Yadav (avg 33@6.01).

Didn't mention Bumrah/Shami. Naughty naughty.

 

[Zak_Fan]

And for all those getting delusional. There is a thing called stats in cricket, here are few:
Bhuv kumar: Matches; 59, Wickets; 61, Avg; 39.62 (So much for being world class)
U Yadav: Matches; 63, Wickets; 88, Avg; 33.69

Yes Shami is pretty good record wise while Bumrah and Pandya have played not a lot of matches.

On the ther hand
Hassan Ali: Matches; 16 (2 five wickets haul), Wickets; 29, Avg; 26.24
Mohammad Amir; Matches; 32, Wickets; 50, Avg; 27.12
Junaid Khan; Matches; 58, Wickets; 86, Avg; 28.9

While Pakistani spinners have a better average in comparison to Indian bowlers but sample size is too small.

Lol, so Bumrah hasn't played enough matches, but then you go on to present Hassan Ali's stats who has played 16 matches? Let's count both of them out then.

Shami is by far the best bowler in both sides, followed by Amir. As for Umesh Vs Wahab, Umesh has been a superior bowler for last many years (backed by stats too), and the gulf has only widened this season. Anyone who has seen him recently will know the level of his bowling today.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Yes

IPL = The world's best power hitters
IPL= Dead and Flat Indian pitches

ODI average of 21. T20 average of 17.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Lol at ppl mentioning Bumrah's lack of matches while presenting Hasan Ali as someone great. Bumrah has also played 24 T20Is with avg of 17 and eco rate of 6.6.

 

[princeuk]

I don't think England gonna produce green tops, especially if English have been scoring in excess of 300 and even 400, England have a very exciting batting line up, they have an excellent bowling line up too but now they have both batting and bowling that seems to have clicked.

 

[Titan24]

Lol, so Bumrah hasn't played enough matches, but then you go on to present Hassan Ali's stats who has played 16 matches? Let's count both of them out then.

Shami is by far the best bowler in both sides, followed by Amir. As for Umesh Vs Wahab, Umesh has been a superior bowler for last many years (backed by stats too), and the gulf has only widened this season. Anyone who has seen him recently will know the level of his bowling today.

How do you rate Junaid Khan then?
For Shami I wont say by far the best, and being totally unbiased here. He is definitely top notch but fitness concerns remain.
For Umesh vs Wahab plz share some stats excluding last home season of India, its not scarcastic just wanna know.

 

[Zak_Fan]

How do you rate Junaid Khan then?
For Shami I wont say by far the best, and being totally unbiased here. He is definitely top notch but fitness concerns remain.
For Umesh vs Wahab plz share some stats excluding last home season of India, its not scarcastic just wanna know.

Last 5 years, Umesh averages 31 in ODI matches, Wahab averages 38+.

Excluding minnows (last 5 years) -

Umesh averages 32.5 (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling)

While Wahab averages 45.8 (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling)

Umesh is not just superior, but vastly superior.

 

[geraltofrivia]

How do you rate Junaid Khan then?
For Shami I wont say by far the best, and being totally unbiased here. He is definitely top notch but fitness concerns remain.
For Umesh vs Wahab plz share some stats excluding last home season of India, its not scarcastic just wanna know.

Overall averages dont mean anything as they are over a career.

Amir's averages look good due to his pre ban stats. Post he avgs over 30 in both ODIs and tests.
Similarly Junaid's heyday was long ago. Since the SA series in 2013 he averages 34.
Similarly with Wahab.

All 3 of these had their peaks as an ODI bowler long 4-5 years back.

These are Ind-Pak fast bowler stats in the last 4 years-
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=bowling

The best Pakistani bowler has been Irfan who's banned.

 

[sshakir411]

if bhuvenshwar and bumrah are considered potent pace...then god help cricket.

 

[Pete Rose]

Whatever attack they put on in front of Pakistan, it will be sufficient. Pakistani batting is going to put up a grand show of stage fright against India

 

[Snak3eye5]

Overall averages dont mean anything as they are over a career.

Amir's averages look good due to his pre ban stats. Post he avgs over 30 in both ODIs and tests.
Similarly Junaid's heyday was long ago. Since the SA series in 2013 he averages 34.
Similarly with Wahab.

All 3 of these had their peaks as an ODI bowler long 4-5 years back.

These are Ind-Pak fast bowler stats in the last 4 years-
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=bowling

The best Pakistani bowler has been Irfan who's banned.

Indians are deluded if they think they have a pace attack comparable to Pakistan. I rank them right below bangladesh even. Cant wait for the Pakistanis hasan ali or wahab riaz or Junaid to take a 5fer and show the Indian team what pace is all about.

Indian kids cannot go through the physical rigors of fast bowling , because there is very little scope for physical expression in schools, where they should be running and playing a lot more than sitting before TV, going to tuitions, or playing games on their computers. Pakistani kids are lot more in touch with their physical selves, especially the boys. Hence why the pakistanis have more stamina and physically fit..unlike the fatt Indians

 

[Syed1]

Abhi chest thumping ka faida? Chaar june ko sab pata chal jayega...



That being said I'm quietly confident in our bowling attack, it is our batting which will be the cause of our defeat.

 

[Kabir81]

One thing is for sure: The Pakistani bowlers will be nervous to bowl to the Indian batsman .

And this time the Pakistani batsman would also be fun to watch how they face the Indian bowling.

MAUKA MAUKA

 

[Rayyman]

South Africa: Their only world-class bowler is Tahir. Even he recently got smashed by Eoin Morgan and Moeen Ali. Rabada is inconsistent at this moment in his career. I feel he is overrated in ODIs mainly due to his immense potential. All the other bowlers: Morris, Parnell, Phehlukwayo, etc. They are all mediocre at best.

Australia: They have the best bowling line-up in the tournament. Especially in their pace bowling. There is variety there. Starc is potent with the new ball and the old ball. Hazlewood bowls a great length and gets the ball to bounce. Cummins is one of the fastest bowlers in the world. Can easily hit 150kph. Pattinson is an all-around combo, and he could be scary if he is fit and in form. They won't need spin, but they have that covered too. Zampa has been one of their leading wicket-takers over the past year. Maxwell and Head can bowl part-time if needed. The best thing about their bowlers is that all of them can bat. The Aussies' weakness is in middle-order batting, not bowling.

New Zealand: One of the best bowling attacks in the tournament. They have variety in their spin department. Mitchell Santner is the main spinner. He keeps things tight in the middle-overs. Aside from his left-arm spin, there is Jeet Patel with off-spin and Ish Sodhi with leg-spin. Even Williamson and Munro can roll their arms over. Fast bowling is their strength though. Lots of variety here too. Trent Boult is their best bowler. Southee is great with the new ball. McClenaghan bowls a heavy ball and gets good bounce. Milne is one of the fastest bowlers in the world. Anderson is adept at the death, and Neesham does a job in the middle overs. Probably the most adaptable bowling in the tournament.

India: The pace attack is good, but not great. Shami is their best bowler. A good all-around bowler, but hasn't been in the best form after injury. Yadav is fast, but can go for runs in ODIs. Bumrah is good at the death, but has trouble maintaining a consistent line and length during earlier overs. Bhuvneshwar is good with the new-ball and the old-ball. His problem is lack of pace (though has increased) and bounce. No left-arm variety in their fast bowling. What makes their bowling among the strongest is the spin. Even though the fast bowlers struggle in the middle overs, Ashwin and Jadeja bowl well here. They might not be great in this tournament. Because Ashwin is coming off of injury and Jadeja didn't do his best in the IPL. The biggest fault in this bowling is a lack of X-factor. At times, the Indian bowlers can be like machines playing without any passion. That shouldn't be a problem with Kohli captaining them.

Pakistan: Good bowling attack. Each of them be match-winners on their day. Can put on some enticing spells. Problem is inconsistency. They can go for 300+ if not in rhythm. If they are in rhythm, then they
(along with Australia) are the only bowling lineup that can bowl a team out around 270-280. Amir is the best bowler. Hasan Ali is good with variations. Junaid Khan can be lethal with the new ball and old ball. Riaz brings pace and bounce. Spin can be very good too. Imad Wasim with left-arm spin. Shadab Khan with leg-spin and Hafeez with off-spin. Overall, they might not be the most skilled, but they have the ability to get under the batsman's skin. The most mentally tough(in bowling) of all of the teams.

These are the five best bowling attacks:
1. Australia
2. Pakistan
3. New Zealand
4. India
5. South Africa

 

[dauntless]

India's pace bowling is quite good but not better than Pakistan's pretty comparable though with the emergence of hasan ali both the bowling attacks are comparable .
Umesh has improved in tests but he is awful in Lois,Bhuvi is looking good but I feel he will struggle on these flat tracks,shami is playing after 2 years in Odis and bumrah is only good at death overs.All in all I feel Pakistan's attack is slightly better!
Amir>bhuvi
Wahab=umesh
Bumrah=hasan
Shami>junaid(who shouldn't have been selected)

 

[Kabir81]

.All in all I feel Pakistan's attack is slightly better!
Amir>bhuvi
Wahab=umesh
Bumrah=hasan
Shami>junaid(who shouldn't have been selected)

The most overrated bowling attack is the pakistan bowling side.

I ONLY GOT TO SAY THIS 444

 

[Mp812]

It has nothing to do with their pace attack, their batting is the main reason for their success.

So bowling plays no part in winning???
Or are you saying that Indian batting is way ahead of NZ/SA/Eng/Aus....so good a batting that it demolishes the so called potent attacks of NZ/SA/Eng/Aus/Pak.

You probably seem to want to be in denial mode even though facts point otherwise. Looks like acceptance is problem. For example lets say India had a bowling unit consisting of Mcgrath,Steyn, Shane Bond, shane Warne,Murli, you would have still found a way/theory to explain yourself why it was not a potent attack.

Fact is no team wins on strength of batting or bowling alone. A team needs batting to put on runs to defend and the bowlers to help defend that score.India has consistently done that over last 10 years and thats why T20 2007 WC, ODI WC2011 , CB Series cup 2008 , Champions tophy 2013 trophies went to India. The bowlers of India have delivered when it matters most of the times.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think our BUS(Bhuvi Umesh Shami) attack is good enough to restrict oppositions below 250. Its high time our bowlers start contributing more and put less pressure on our batsman for always chasing more than 275 or setting a target of more than 300. Historically our bowlers have performed better in ICC tournaments so I am hopeful.

 

[geraltofrivia]

i think our bus(bhuvi umesh shami) attack is good enough to restrict oppositions below 250. Its high time our bowlers start contributing more and put less pressure on our batsman for always chasing more than 275 or setting a target of more than 300. Historically our bowlers have performed better in icc tournaments so i am hopeful.

aag

 

[Amirforpresident]

444

Are you from Afghanistan Kabir?

 

[JoniInsafian]

Yadav is overrated, poor man's Wahab Riaz.... Vaarun Aaron and Ishant Sharma are some of the worst bowlers to have played the game, Sami level..... B.Kumar is supposedly a swing king but he got outperformed by Amir and Junaid in swing conditions where Pak and India played.... Bumrah has a novelty action, Sohail Tanvir-like bowler....

Shami is the only good indian pacer.... He is probably on Hassan Ali level or even better....

 

[MMHS]

For the first time in my memory, I think Indian bowling is relatively better & balanced than batting. May be in 1983 WC, bowling was better performing than batting (not better reputed).

3 pacers (Sam, BK & Umesh), Jajeda + one of Ash/Pandya makes a very good attack. Probably, only question mark is Umesh, who might go for plenty. On a drier surface, IND can play both spinners & drop Umesh for Pandya or Bumrah.

I think, it'll be batting that might get exposed - already reliant on Kohli, who had a poor IPL, while few batsmen are picked for their reputation & few (Yadav, Manish is replaced by DK, who toured in 2011) are touring UK first time. Also, I think, in last few years, this is going to be the worst Indian fielding unit.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Yadav is overrated, poor man's Wahab Riaz.... Vaarun Aaron and Ishant Sharma are some of the worst bowlers to have played the game, Sami level..... B.Kumar is supposedly a swing king but he got outperformed by Amir and Junaid in swing conditions where Pak and India played.... Bumrah has a novelty action, Sohail Tanvir-like bowler....

Shami is the only good indian pacer.... He is probably on Hassan Ali level or even better....

So a man averaging 32 in the last 5 years is worse than another averaging 45 in the same period?

 

[geraltofrivia]

444

I am Indian. AAG is an in-joke. Pakistani fans used to hype up AAG as a great bowling attack - Akhtar Asif and Gul but thing is this lineup never played cause they were always getting injured or banned etc. Hence the joke over the acronym.

 

[asfandyar]

Doesn't matter our inferior bowlers always perform better than some of the so called superior bowlers in ICC trophies.
I agree bhuvi and umesh (Odis/ t20 but not test) are inferior bowlers compared to say Australian and Saffers but still Bhuvi better than Amir and Umesh better than hasan ali. Hehehe.. Shami better than any pakistani bowler currently or any Asian bowler currently.

Pollack (New Delhi, India): It's nighttime now
Random Guy (Rio de Janeiro, Brazil): It's daytime here
Pollack: You're lying. It's nighttime in India, and India is the best, so it must be nighttime in Brazil.
Random Guy: Nope, just went outside, still daytime here
Pollack: Look again. Perhaps the guys in the upper storeys of your building are shining a huge torch.
Random Guy: Nope, just looked up, the sun is shining bright.
Pollack: You must be hallucinating. We'll talk in a few hours once the effects of whatever you took wear off.

(3am India time when it 6.30pm in Rio and the sun has set.)
Pollack: So, do you agree with me that it's nighttime now.
Random Guy: It's nighttime here too.
Pollack: See! India is the best! Jai Hind!
Random Guy: Yeah whatever man!

 

[JoniInsafian]

So a man averaging 32 in the last 5 years is worse than another averaging 45 in the same period?

Does he have any performance like WC quarter final or WC semi final of Wahab Riaz??? In fact does he have any performance on the big stage??

I like how you act like 32 average is anything to write home about That's just Indian standards...

Nobody pretends that Wahab is good, certainly better than the trite pacers from across the border

 

[New Yorker]

Since numbers is all you go by, you would also agree that Shami and Bumrah >> any Pakistani bowler? Right?

Shami is clearly better than any Pakistani bowler, as is Ashwin. Too early to tell when comparing Bumrah and Hasan Ali. One of the numbers that matter is sample size. But I will say this for Hasan; he has 2 5fers in just 16 ODIs, which is 2 more than Shami, Bumrah and Bhuvi have collectively managed in 120 + tries.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Does he have any performance like WC quarter final or WC semi final of Wahab Riaz??? In fact does he have any performance on the big stage??

I like how you act like 32 average is anything to write home about That's just Indian standards...

Nobody pretends that Wahab is good, certainly better than the trite pacers from across the border

It is when you compare it to an average of 45.

And is it the same QF where Aus chased the target with 17 overs to spare and Wahab going for 54 in 9 overs??

 

[New Yorker]

South Africa: Their only world-class bowler is Tahir. Even he recently got smashed by Eoin Morgan and Moeen Ali. Rabada is inconsistent at this moment in his career. I feel he is overrated in ODIs mainly due to his immense potential. All the other bowlers: Morris, Parnell, Phehlukwayo, etc. They are all mediocre at best.

Australia: They have the best bowling line-up in the tournament. Especially in their pace bowling. There is variety there. Starc is potent with the new ball and the old ball. Hazlewood bowls a great length and gets the ball to bounce. Cummins is one of the fastest bowlers in the world. Can easily hit 150kph. Pattinson is an all-around combo, and he could be scary if he is fit and in form. They won't need spin, but they have that covered too. Zampa has been one of their leading wicket-takers over the past year. Maxwell and Head can bowl part-time if needed. The best thing about their bowlers is that all of them can bat. The Aussies' weakness is in middle-order batting, not bowling.

New Zealand: One of the best bowling attacks in the tournament. They have variety in their spin department. Mitchell Santner is the main spinner. He keeps things tight in the middle-overs. Aside from his left-arm spin, there is Jeet Patel with off-spin and Ish Sodhi with leg-spin. Even Williamson and Munro can roll their arms over. Fast bowling is their strength though. Lots of variety here too. Trent Boult is their best bowler. Southee is great with the new ball. McClenaghan bowls a heavy ball and gets good bounce. Milne is one of the fastest bowlers in the world. Anderson is adept at the death, and Neesham does a job in the middle overs. Probably the most adaptable bowling in the tournament.

India: The pace attack is good, but not great. Shami is their best bowler. A good all-around bowler, but hasn't been in the best form after injury. Yadav is fast, but can go for runs in ODIs. Bumrah is good at the death, but has trouble maintaining a consistent line and length during earlier overs. Bhuvneshwar is good with the new-ball and the old-ball. His problem is lack of pace (though has increased) and bounce. No left-arm variety in their fast bowling. What makes their bowling among the strongest is the spin. Even though the fast bowlers struggle in the middle overs, Ashwin and Jadeja bowl well here. They might not be great in this tournament. Because Ashwin is coming off of injury and Jadeja didn't do his best in the IPL. The biggest fault in this bowling is a lack of X-factor. At times, the Indian bowlers can be like machines playing without any passion. That shouldn't be a problem with Kohli captaining them.

Pakistan: Good bowling attack. Each of them be match-winners on their day. Can put on some enticing spells. Problem is inconsistency. They can go for 300+ if not in rhythm. If they are in rhythm, then they
(along with Australia) are the only bowling lineup that can bowl a team out around 270-280. Amir is the best bowler. Hasan Ali is good with variations. Junaid Khan can be lethal with the new ball and old ball. Riaz brings pace and bounce. Spin can be very good too. Imad Wasim with left-arm spin. Shadab Khan with leg-spin and Hafeez with off-spin. Overall, they might not be the most skilled, but they have the ability to get under the batsman's skin. The most mentally tough(in bowling) of all of the teams.

These are the five best bowling attacks:
1. Australia
2. Pakistan
3. New Zealand
4. India
5. South Africa

The sheer delusional hopefulness is eye watering.
"Each of them be match-winners on their day"? And Steyn and Ashwin and Rabada and Boult can't?

Who would you rather have bowl for you in an ODI, Wasim or Tahir?

 

[JoniInsafian]

It is when you compare it to an average of 45.

And is it the same QF where Aus chased the target with 17 overs to spare and Wahab going for 54 in 9 overs??

It's good to watch a match rather than going by stats... Otherwise we can't forget that swing king BK averages 39 in ODIs, pacy Vaarun Aaron 38 and Destructive Yadav 35 with 0 5-fers

 

[New Yorker]

Doesn't matter our inferior bowlers always perform better than some of the so called superior bowlers in ICC trophies.
I agree bhuvi and umesh (Odis/ t20 but not test) are inferior bowlers compared to say Australian and Saffers but still Bhuvi better than Amir and Umesh better than hasan ali. Hehehe.. Shami better than any pakistani bowler currently or any Asian bowler currently.

Don't be silly. In ODIs it's The Fizz >> Everyone else.

 

[Zak_Fan]

It's good to watch a match rather than going by stats... Otherwise we can't forget that swing king BK averages 39 in ODIs, pacy Vaarun Aaron 38 and Destructive Yadav 35 with 0 5-fers

You think this lame logic defends your 45 averaging spraygun? )

 

[JoniInsafian]

Since numbers is all you go by, you would also agree that Shami and Bumrah >> any Pakistani bowler? Right?

Shami is better than Pakistani bowlers despite not having played any ODI in 2 years )

We are comparing fast bowlers, not ballerinas made out of glass.......

 

[JoniInsafian]

You think this lame logic defends your 45 averaging spraygun? )

Spraygun still has a better average than half your bowling attack AND more 5-fers than all of them combined.... And he is the worst in Pakistan.... That's what you call having a ''potent'' pace attack....

 

[Sidilicious]

Spraygun still has a better average than half your bowling attack AND more 5-fers than all of them combined.... And he is the worst in Pakistan.... That's what you call having a ''potent'' pace attack....

Can you please quote all Pakistani bowler stats for WC 2015? and compare them with the Indian bowlers?

 

[Zak_Fan]

Shami is better than Pakistani bowlers despite not having played any ODI in 2 years )

We are comparing fast bowlers, not ballerinas made out of glass.......

The ballerina averages under 25 with a SR of 27 when fit or even half-fit.

Are you comparing him to a 45 averaging spraygun?