India's young fast bowling factory - 38 better bowlers than Naseem Shah?

[The cricket enthusiast]

LMAO, I missed this one.

Dude, do you even know how to internet? Here's Lalit Yadav's profile.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/1060363.html

Averages 27 bowling on the flattest track in India. SR of 52. Watch his bowling videos on Youtube, he's like 3 levels better than Naseem.

Lalit Yadav is a well known chucker

 

[AMSS]

Whoever your unknown player is it's pointless to compare them with someone who has in 6/7 tests taken wickets of Warner, Root, Williamson, à test hattrick.

I can see why you'd want to make this appear as pointless but it's not. Also, I'd invite you to the OP who asked specifically for domestic bowlers in India better than naseem. Maybe you should take up your misplaced angst with him?

No doubts whatsoever Lalit is quicker, and more skilled than naseem. India's massively superior bowling depth means he would never even debut for us. To help you see the point clearly, you can imagine many of Australian domestic batsmen who couldnt earn a debut during their glory days under Waugh and Ponting who were clearly better than your Amir Sohails and Izaz Ahmeds and Salman butts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The demise of Pak fast bowling started with decline of Reverse swing, the earlier greats of 80's and 90's thrived on it. They would MAKE the ball, with Pepsi bootlecaps as there were no cameras to monitor, then all they had to do was wait for ball to get old. And once it did, just bowl as fast as possible and deceive batsman with guile and speed.

Just see the record of Wasim / Waqar / Akhtar / Umar Guls with new ball vs old ball, it's chalk and cheese. The teams would regularly crumble from 115/2 to 160 all out.

Things have changed now, so many cameras, far higher and career threatening punishments if caught, have essentially seen the decline of reverse swing.

And that's where the problem lies with Pakistan, the current crop is compared to earlier ones but these poor chaps are handicapped as they can't swing the old cherry. Imagine Shaheen Shah Afridi bowling in 80's under Imran Khan with a made up ball, this guy would run through sides every day.

So on topic this jazba and Junoon may not revive pak fast bowling, having Waqar as bowling coach is also pretty dumb, that guy took years in international cricket to learn how to bowl with a new ball.

Well the ball still reverses just that it wont reverse that much and it takes more time and effort to prepare the ball legally. And since the amount of swing is less, the planning and effort to take a wicket is more.

 

[El Generico]

I can see why you'd want to make this appear as pointless but it's not. Also, I'd invite you to the OP who asked specifically for domestic bowlers in India better than naseem. Maybe you should take up your misplaced angst with him?

No doubts whatsoever Lalit is quicker, and more skilled than naseem. India's massively superior bowling depth means he would never even debut for us. To help you see the point clearly, you can imagine many of Australian domestic batsmen who couldnt earn a debut during their glory days under Waugh and Ponting who were clearly better than your Amir Sohails and Izaz Ahmeds and Salman butts.

No offence but just a few months ago your team got whitewashed in New Zealand so please don’t compare yourself to the Australia of 90s/2000s lol.

 

[Mobashir]

I can see why you'd want to make this appear as pointless but it's not. Also, I'd invite you to the OP who asked specifically for domestic bowlers in India better than naseem. Maybe you should take up your misplaced angst with him?

No doubts whatsoever Lalit is quicker, and more skilled than naseem. India's massively superior bowling depth means he would never even debut for us. To help you see the point clearly, you can imagine many of Australian domestic batsmen who couldnt earn a debut during their glory days under Waugh and Ponting who were clearly better than your Amir Sohails and Izaz Ahmeds and Salman butts.

You could just admit there are not so many better bowlers than Naseem in India rather than listing some poor bowlers.

Yeah loved the comparaisons with Australian team! That's the reason why you have players like Saini, chahar, Thakur, Sundar, who were playing in this tour.
Even the others are no world beaters apart from Bumrah who is excellent for the moment.

 

[AMSS]

No offence but just a few months ago your team got whitewashed in New Zealand so please don’t compare yourself to the Australia of 90s/2000s lol.

Another poster who can't google for shizzle.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/1060363.html

That is the Lalit Yadav being talked about here. Averages 27 in domestics playing at the flattest track in India. If you look him up on youtube, you wouldn't waste our time arguing naseem is better.

 

[AMSS]

You could just admit there are not so many better bowlers than Naseem in India rather than listing some poor bowlers.

Yeah loved the comparaisons with Australian team! That's the reason why you have players like Saini, chahar, Thakur, Sundar, who were playing in this tour.
Even the others are no world beaters apart from Bumrah who is excellent for the moment.

Don't see why I'd have to admit anything on behalf of a team whose pacers are owning Australia even as they miss their top three first choice bowlers. Still remember naseems exploits in his debut test series against the same opponent. I also remember Ponting's remark about it being the worst attack to have toured that country. I mean, Ponting has seen Bangladesh and Zimbabwe tour Australia. LMAO!

So yeah, do not be so agitated that I just named 30 bowlers in India who are far better or as good as your naseem. Lol

 

[El Generico]

Another poster who can't google for shizzle.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/1060363.html

That is the Lalit Yadav being talked about here. Averages 27 in domestics playing at the flattest track in India. If you look him up on youtube, you wouldn't waste our time arguing naseem is better.

YouTube clips prove nothing. I can proven dozens of YouTube clips from Pakistan domestic bowlers as well, doesn’t really mean much.

Look man if you want to believe some random domestic bowler is better than a guy who has a test hattrick and has gotten the likes of Root and Warner out then I don’t think there is any point in arguing. Let’s just wait a bit to see how their careers pan out.

BTW if Yadav is so good then how is a guy like Navdeep Saini keeping him out of the team?

 

[Mobashir]

Don't see why I'd have to admit anything on behalf of a team whose pacers are owning Australia even as they miss their top three first choice bowlers. Still remember naseems exploits in his debut test series against the same opponent. I also remember Ponting's remark about it being the worst attack to have toured that country. I mean, Ponting has seen Bangladesh and Zimbabwe tour Australia. LMAO!

So yeah, do not be so agitated that I just named 30 bowlers in India who are far better or as good as your naseem. Lol

Didn't knew you before this thread. But don't worry your point is made and is clear. You are a hatter. That's fine for me, you are not the first one and will not be the last one.

 

[Mesozoic]

Such a sad thread this. And also that "IPL Vs PsL local bowlers" thread.

We used to compare our frontline batsmen, bowlers, starting XIs and so on but it's all about reserves and domestics now that there's a clear daylight between the two sides' in every department.

Captures the sad yet drastic downfall of Pakistan cricket.

 

[El Generico]

Don't see why I'd have to admit anything on behalf of a team whose pacers are owning Australia even as they miss their top three first choice bowlers. Still remember naseems exploits in his debut test series against the same opponent. I also remember Ponting's remark about it being the worst attack to have toured that country. I mean, Ponting has seen Bangladesh and Zimbabwe tour Australia. LMAO!

So yeah, do not be so agitated that I just named 30 bowlers in India who are far better or as good as your naseem. Lol

All your post can be summed in a couple of sentences.

Claim: India has 30 better bowlers than Nadeem.

Source: Trust me bro.

 

[Mobashir]

Such a sad thread this. And also that "IPL Vs PsL local bowlers" thread.

We used to compare our frontline batsmen, bowlers, starting XIs and so on but it's all about reserves and domestics now that there's a clear daylight between the two sides' in every department.

Captures the sad yet drastic downfall of Pakistan cricket.

Some truth in it. But guess why this thread as come?
It's because of Indian fans making over the top comments. As you can see in this thread some Indian fans are now even trying to prove this true.

 

[AMSS]

All your post can be summed in a couple of sentences.

Claim: India has 30 better bowlers than Nadeem.

Source: Trust me bro.

And we are only speaking of pacers. Would look much worse for Pakistan if we were to bring in spin options. We'll leave batting out from this debate because it's time to be merry!

 

[AMSS]

Didn't knew you before this thread. But don't worry your point is made and is clear. You are a hatter. That's fine for me, you are not the first one and will not be the last one.

Bizarre comments. What's this about knowing each other when we can contest the claims of a post and move on? What makes me a hatter, Alice?

 

[Rana]

Bizarre comments. What's this about knowing each other when we can contest the claims of a post and move on? What makes me a hatter, Alice?

can you please show proof to me that Lalit Yadav is a faster bowler than Naseem Shah

found one video of him, he looks around 130kmh but there is no speed gun to back it up

 

[Rana]

All your post can be summed in a couple of sentences.

Claim: India has 30 better bowlers than Nadeem.

Source: Trust me bro.

He also named a bloke called Monu Kumar

From research I have found that he is either a Bengali singer, or it is the Bald guy who played one game for CSK once they were knocked out of the IPL. It is basically saying that the 125kmh Monu Kumar will walk into Test cricket right now and claim the scalps of Kane Williamson, David Warner and Joe Root.

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving

 

[Rana]

12, 0/69, 27, 0/33 Vidarbha v Gujarat Surat 27 Jan 2020 FC
0/19, 1* Vidarbha v Bengal Nagpur 11 Jan 2020 FC
1/41, 18, 1/26 Vidarbha v Andhra Vijayawada 9 Dec 2019 FC
2/56, 11, 0/5 Vidarbha v Gujarat Nagpur 22 Dec 2018 FC
5*, 0/21, 0 Vidarbha v Railways Delhi 14 Dec 2018 FC
2/65, 7, 7/56 Vidarbha v Chhattisgarh Raipur 28 Nov 2018 FC
3/42, 0/19 Vidarbha v Baroda Nagpur 20 Nov 2018 FC
14, 0/69, 0, 2/12 Vidarbha v Karnataka Nagpur 12 Nov 2018 FC
3/84, 12, 10* Vidarbha v Maharashtra Pune 1 Nov 2018 FC
24, 1/19 Vidarbha v Kerala Surat 7 Dec 2017 FC

Some mad bowling figures recently for Virdibha by Lalit Yadav'''

This guy will run into Test Cricket and will become the next Pat Cummins I recon

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

I do think that the Indian attack is far ahead of Pakistan, and likely to be so for a long time to come barring major injuries. A huge change from the past.

I believe that our bowling reserves are also now likely to be far superior.

HOWEVER. Whatever you may think of Naeem, to say that 38 bowlers in india are better than a Pakistani frontline international, well that's a bridge too far for me to cross. The balance of probabilities make it highly unlikely. I can agree that there may be 6-10. But the step up from domestic to international is huge, and I just don't see it happening that so many Indian domestic bowlers are better than a lad who's bowling for his team.

To be convinced I'd need a player to player comp, and well that's an exercise I suspect no one is willing to spend time on!

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

I'd add to that by saying, enjoy the current Indian bowling attack. Trust me, I've seen it since 1982, and we're very lucky and very hard working to have come so far. Add to that a very healthy pipeline, and I'd far rather take pleasure in the current situation than waste time on such arguments.

 

[Rana]

I have unearthed a gem here @talent_spotter

Please provide a detailed analysis of this prospect that has been named as a better bowler than Naseem Shah by a person who has taken the bait. Amazing prospect this lad:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/694209.html

At the age of 26, it is only a matter of time when this guy will get his fc Debut for Bihar and take a Hattrick, a few 5fers because he is already destined to do much more in Test cricket. Amazing talent!

 

[Rana]

Player profile: Abu Nechim of Assam (who is better than Naseem Shah)

Age 32 and FC average the same as his age of 32

https://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/228430.html

He should basically be averaging 25 against Smith-Williamson-Root on away tours if he gets the opportunity I believe.

cant find any video footage of him at the moment but I am convinced he is most likely to be a 145+ bowler and faster than Trundler Naseem

 

[Varun]

I'll be disappointed if we only have 38 better bowlers in Ranji than Naseem Shah.

 

[Shafi]

Talent is not the issue for Pakistan cricket. Our players crumble under pressure whether they are batsmen or bowlers. In ODI Prasad, Masrafee outsmart Waqar doesn’t mean they are better bowler than them. I.e both Saeed Anwar or Waqar were better players than Jadeja/Prasad but they were out Smarted by the later one.Our batsmen never score heavily or fielders drop too many catches.

 

[Mobashir]

I have unearthed a gem here @talent_spotter

Please provide a detailed analysis of this prospect that has been named as a better bowler than Naseem Shah by a person who has taken the bait. Amazing prospect this lad:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/694209.html

At the age of 26, it is only a matter of time when this guy will get his fc Debut for Bihar and take a Hattrick, a few 5fers because he is already destined to do much more in Test cricket. Amazing talent!

I am a fan of this Monu Kumar from now on. The Indian Fan has no doubt in his mind that he is better than Naseem Shah.

 

[Shafi]

Lucky Mamoon didn’t say bowlers like Nasim, Shaheen, Rauf, Wahab, Hasnain are available in every corner of gully mahallah.

 

[Shafi]

Lucky Mamoon didn’t say bowlers like Nasim, Shaheen, Rauf, Wahab, Hasnain are available in every corner of gully mahallah.

 

[MesonK]

Pakistani fast bowling is on par with India except for Bumrah may be who is having an early career purple patch.

After retirement of 35-36 years old Shami, Bumrah will have to get a new downgraded partner.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Pakistani fast bowling is on par with India except for Bumrah may be who is having an early career purple patch.

After retirement of 35-36 years old Shami, Bumrah will have to get a new downgraded partner.

Do have a look at the stats and the kind of results Indian bowlers have created. It is one thing to like your own bowlers, but quite another to be delusional.

 

[James Steven]

There are probably 50 better bowlers than Naseem in Pakistan let alone India.

India have got a strong pace battery and for those who are saying that Naseem have bowled to players like Williamson, Root etc. Sorry to break it to you but a lot of Indian young bowlers have already bowled to greatest cricketers in the world thanks to IPL. There's a reason why you see that Siraj and Gill even on their debut look like 50 Test veterans.

As for the pace battery, There are a lot of good bowlers named by posters already.

 

[Sir Alex]

Debuting teenage fast bowlers in cricket is sadly commonplace now in Pakistan. Most of them get discarded quickly and then there.is.this.cover up using another upcoming talent.

Fast bowlers in my opinion cannot be ready for top tier cricket till atleast they grow fully.. I.e 21, 22 years and preferably after at least couple of seasons in FC.

India used to do this earlier. Ishant for his talent was debuted too early and as a result was under par for most of his career, till last few years when he really came to his own. Bumrah wasn't thankfully rushed into top tier cricket nor was Shami. Even the likes of Natarajan, Umesh, Saini are all in late 20s.

Mavi and Nagarkoti were two young guns who clocked 140 but weren't rushed to Int cricket quickly at all. There.will be exceptions but as a rule it.is better to have pace stocks consisting of battle hardened players than wet behind the ears younglings

 

[MesonK]

Do have a look at the stats and the kind of results Indian bowlers have created. It is one thing to like your own bowlers, but quite another to be delusional.

Stats say Shami has 30-35 averages against top teams in tests. Another Srinath with age fudging.

Indians just have more money and a far better structure plus levels better fielders who support their bowlers. This was a dark decade for pak cricket no doubt yet still we managed to get through it without becoming another WI.

 

[Shazzam]

This was a dark decade for pak cricket no doubt yet still we managed to get through it without becoming another WI.

I don’t see how we are not like another WI. We only beat lesser teams. Lose against top 4. We are hardly good at anything right now.

 

[Varun]

Debuting teenage fast bowlers in cricket is sadly commonplace now in Pakistan. Most of them get discarded quickly and then there.is.this.cover up using another upcoming talent.

Yep. Ever notice that the players that posters get the most excited about are younglings who have played under 10 tests? Because once they are in the team for any extended period, everybody becomes disillusioned because of the obvious flaws that creep up and overshadow whatever beginner's luck they might have had.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Stats say Shami has 30-35 averages against top teams in tests. Another Srinath with age fudging.

Indians just have more money and a far better structure plus levels better fielders who support their bowlers. This was a dark decade for pak cricket no doubt yet still we managed to get through it without becoming another WI.

So, according to you Md Shami represents Indian bowling? And could you show which data you are checking?
Btw, as far as age fudging is concerned, the Indians cant match Pakistanis in this deptt no matter how hard they try.

 

[Mamoon]

Going at 5 an over in a Test match )

Averaged 70+ in Australia and England and will soon get to that mark in New Zealand as well. Currently standing on 55.

Note: these are not his batting averages.

 

[Mamoon]

Easily one of the worst bowlers in the world. Forget 38 better bowlers; he will not even get into most Indian FC sides.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Easily one of the worst bowlers in the world. Forget 38 better bowlers; he will not even get into most Indian FC sides.

He will get selected in the Manipur side.. which plays in the plate division of Ranji.

 

[Rajdeep]

This thread didnt age well. This is why overhyping one bowler and demeaning an entire country is never a good idea. OP was of the opinion that not a single bowler in India is as fast as Naseem Shah.

 

[naseem]

So after 36 all out the next crazy no. is 38....

 

[naseem]

This thread didnt age well. This is why overhyping one bowler and demeaning an entire country is never a good idea. OP was of the opinion that not a single bowler in India is as fast as Naseem Shah.

Demeaning is an art and Mamoon is the Picasso of it...
We all know which country he demeans.....sometimes he falls flat....on face sometime he is ignored....

But end of day u won't get any similar forum in india where it's cricket fans demean it's own country a la Mamoon....

 

[Mesozoic]

He should thank his stars that NZ gifted him some cheap useless wickets in the last innings or else his average would have been atleast 100+.

Now watch the excuses of him being "just 16 years old"...

And then they say why does his age even matter....)

 

[Shoaib88]

Why are so many idiotic posters making such threads on Naseem Shah when hes been performing so terribly.

 

[Indiafan]

Stats say Shami has 30-35 averages against top teams in tests. Another Srinath with age fudging.

Indians just have more money and a far better structure plus levels better fielders who support their bowlers. This was a dark decade for pak cricket no doubt yet still we managed to get through it without becoming another WI.

india dropped 6 catches in last test first innings, yet got Aus out for 191.

 

[Mamoon]

This thread didnt age well. This is why overhyping one bowler and demeaning an entire country is never a good idea. OP was of the opinion that not a single bowler in India is as fast as Naseem Shah.

Hardly anything that the OP says ages well.

 

[Varun]

I'll be disappointed if we only have 38 better bowlers in Ranji than Naseem Shah.

^Repeat.

I'm pretty happy with our fast bowling unit now. There was a time when I used to create threads like these:

Does any Indian bother to watch the Indian bowling innings?

But those days are long gone. Watching Bumrah especially is so fun.

 

[Indiafan]

Pakistani fast bowling is on par with India except for Bumrah may be who is having an early career purple patch.

After retirement of 35-36 years old Shami, Bumrah will have to get a new downgraded partner.

Australia have not crossed 200 a single time this series. Despite Ishant, Shami being injured, Yadav being injured mid-way, Siraj debuting.

When Pakistan toured in 2019, Australia scored 580 in first test (batted once) and 589 for 3 dec in second test (batted once). That's 13 wicket out of potential 40 in 2 completed matches. Meanwhile India took 32 wickets in 2 matches, despite being 36 all out in 1 innings

You need to be delusional to say both bowling are comparable

 

[NishanKonar]

Yep. Ever notice that the players that posters get the most excited about are younglings who have played under 10 tests? Because once they are in the team for any extended period, everybody becomes disillusioned because of the obvious flaws that creep up and overshadow whatever beginner's luck they might have had.

Saw this happen with Parthiv Patel. After that I became strongly opposed to debuting 16-17 year old guys

Always better to debut someone after 3-4 solid seasons of FC cricket

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Williamson absolutely smashed Naseem in that one over. Surely, there must be laws in NZ that prevent such violation of a 17 year old minor

 

[Bigboii]

Indian fans

Please leave us alone

Don't kick a man when he is down

 

[Varun]

Indian fans

Please leave us alone

Don't kick a man when he is down

Oh please we're not the sort but look at who started this thread and the bombastic messages that followed.

 

[Third Man]

Pakistani fast bowling is on par with India except for Bumrah may be who is having an early career purple patch.

After retirement of 35-36 years old Shami, Bumrah will have to get a new downgraded partner.

Wake up buddy, and smell the coffee. You know very well that even an India B bowling attack, at least in test cricket, is much better than our main test bowlers. Don't bury your head in the sand, open your eyes. And don't be in denial

 

[Sir Alex]

Pakistan could do well to have a Siraj in their bowling lineup now, let alone an Ishant , Shami or Bumrah

 

[NishanKonar]

Australia have not crossed 200 a single time this series. Despite Ishant, Shami being injured, Yadav being injured mid-way, Siraj debuting.

When Pakistan toured in 2019, Australia scored 580 in first test (batted once) and 589 for 3 dec in second test (batted once). That's 13 wicket out of potential 40 in 2 completed matches. Meanwhile India took 32 wickets in 2 matches, despite being 36 all out in 1 innings

You need to be delusional to say both bowling are comparable

To be fair, Pakistan performs much better in England than India , while india does better in Australia / South Africa

Even this time, Pakistan should have won the England series - but wer let down by their batsmen in 1st test 2nd innings

 

[Sir Alex]

To be fair, Pakistan performs much better in England than India , while india does better in Australia / South Africa

Even this time, Pakistan should have won the England series - but wer let down by their batsmen in 1st test 2nd innings

India could have won the series in Eng as well, but for insipid batting

 

[Varun]

To be fair, Pakistan performs much better in England than India , while india does better in Australia / South Africa

We compete very well in England though, and have won tests and series in recent memory.

Can't say the same about Pakistan in Aus and SA.

 

[naseem]

He should thank his stars that NZ gifted him some cheap useless wickets in the last innings or else his average would have been atleast 100+.

Now watch the excuses of him being "just 16 years old"...

And then they say why does his age even matter....)

Similarly indian bowlers must thank their stars....hope Smith Labu will continue to gift them their wickets..

By the way what happened when india visited Nz

 

[naseem]

We compete very well in England though, and have won tests and series in recent memory.

Can't say the same about Pakistan in Aus and SA.

The Aussie series ia not over yet........ And we all knwo what happened in Nz

 

[Bigboii]

Oh please we're not the sort but look at who started this thread and the bombastic messages that followed.

We were having some fun dude!

But know it's taking an ugly turn
After our constant humiliation in southern hemisphere it's hurting our feelings!

This epic trolling should be banned under geneva convention it's worse than chemical warfare

 

[naseem]

Pakistan could do well to have a Siraj in their bowling lineup now, let alone an Ishant , Shami or Bumrah

Lets wait till the Aus series is over and after the Vabna test we will see........anyway......hope for the best.....for Siraj and all other bowlers.......

 

[NishanKonar]

We compete very well in England though, and have won tests and series in recent memory.

Can't say the same about Pakistan in Aus and SA.

India has won just 2 tests in the last 10 years in England & lost 4-0, 3-1 & 4-1

Some test matches were close but by & large its awful record. Even Sri Lanka won test series in England while Pakistan drew twice

 

[naseem]

Indian fans

Please leave us alone

Don't kick a man when he is down

Well it's in their genes....they love doing it

 

[naseem]

India has won just 2 tests in the last 10 years in England & lost 4-0, 3-1 & 4-1

Some test matches were close but by & large its awful record. Even Sri Lanka won test series in England while Pakistan drew twice

When last did india draw a 4 test series v England in england

 

[Varun]

India has won just 2 tests in the last 10 years in England & lost 4-0, 3-1 & 4-1

Some test matches were close but by & large its awful record. Even Sri Lanka won test series in England while Pakistan drew twice

Never said we have been good (since 2007), but we're better in England than Pak are in Aus and SA.

 

[Bigboii]

We compete very well in England though, and have won tests and series in recent memory.

Can't say the same about Pakistan in Aus and SA.

And you had to shoot down one positive thing for Pak fans on this page

Choti choti khushiyan yaar

 

[IndoorCricket]

Edit: Wrong post

 

[Rajdeep]

Well it's in their genes....they love doing it

You are saying this? Shall we revisit all those threads of constant mocking of Indian bowlers from your part during IPL?

 

[Last Monetarist]

Saw this happen with Parthiv Patel. After that I became strongly opposed to debuting 16-17 year old guys

Always better to debut someone after 3-4 solid seasons of FC cricket

Harbhajan Singh and Daniel Vettori are the only players in the last 25 years that made their debuts as teenagers and progressed seamlessly to international cricket. The others either fell by the wayside (Imran Nazir, Piyush Chawla), had mediocre careers (Mohammad Amir, Paul Adams), were sidelined for a few years before being reintroduced back to test cricket (Pat Cummins), or were persisted with so long that they eventually improved (Ishant Sharma).

 

[Bigboii]

Well it's in their genes....they love doing it

Honestly dude I am not that serious

We had it coming...

That's why I shiver with fear whenever I try start a positive thread about Pak cricket

It almost always comes back to bite us in the a**

 

[Sir Alex]

When last did india draw a 4 test series v England in england

When was the last time Pak managed to draw a test in Aus, let alone win a test or draw a series?

 

[Mamoon]

When last did india draw a 4 test series v England in england

India last won a Test series in England in 2007.

Pakistan lost won a Test series in England in 1996.

End of story.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Current Indian batsman are the unluckiest ones.. Kohli/Pujara/Rohit have missed at least 5-7 each Test centuries by not playing against this sorry lot.

 

[NishanKonar]

Harbhajan Singh and Daniel Vettori are the only players in the last 25 years that made their debuts as teenagers and progressed seamlessly to international cricket. The others either fell by the wayside (Imran Nazir, Piyush Chawla), had mediocre careers (Mohammad Amir, Paul Adams), were sidelined for a few years before being reintroduced back to test cricket (Pat Cummins), or were persisted with so long that they eventually improved (Ishant Sharma).

Harbhajan was definitely not "18 year old " when he made his debut. He even joked about his fake age on a tv show

Neither was Yuvraj, Imran Nazir, Piyush Chawla , Amir - all were fake age.

 

[NishanKonar]

Sachin Tendulkar & Wasim Akram were the 2 genuine 16-17 year old who went on to blossom in the last 30 years

Assuming Wasim Akram was genuinely 17 years old - which I guess he might be given he retired when he was officially 37

 

[Mesozoic]

Similarly indian bowlers must thank their stars....hope Smith Labu will continue to gift them their wickets..

By the way what happened when india visited Nz

Yeah ofcourse they "gifted them their wickets". I mean how could the Indian bowlers take wickets with the help of skill and a brain.

Just man up and take it on the chin. I know it's a pretty tough time right now but it'll get better I'm sure. Just don't make a mockery of yourselves with these lame excuses.

And by the way the last we visited Christchurch, we took a first innings lead. Let's see if Pakistan can replicate that.

 

[angrypathan]

Harbhajan Singh and Daniel Vettori are the only players in the last 25 years that made their debuts as teenagers and progressed seamlessly to international cricket. The others either fell by the wayside (Imran Nazir, Piyush Chawla), had mediocre careers (Mohammad Amir, Paul Adams), were sidelined for a few years before being reintroduced back to test cricket (Pat Cummins), or were persisted with so long that they eventually improved (Ishant Sharma).

To be fair to Cummins he wasn't dropped, just injured. Whenever he was fit they'd get him back into the team

 

[dravidthewall]

Naeem shah lol .Leave that poor guy for god sake, he is no international material, bring back wahab riaz for next test.

 

[Varun]

Naeem shah lol .Leave that poor guy for god sake, he is no international material, bring back wahab riaz for next test.

Wahab Riaz might return, but that won't stop fans from hyping up another 14yo no-name as the next saviour.

 

[szrana007]

India last won a Test series in England in 2007.

Pakistan lost won a Test series in England in 1996.

End of story.

India in England
Series Played 18
Series won 3
Series drawn 1
Series lost 14

Pakistan in England
Series Played 16
Series won 3
Series drawn 5
Series lost 8

End of story

 

[Heisenberg111]

When last did india draw a 4 test series v England in england

In 2002 they drew a 4 test series.

 

[Heisenberg111]

India last won a Test series in England in 2007.

Pakistan lost won a Test series in England in 1996.

End of story.

SRL last won a series in England in 2014, so they have a better record in England than India ?

Australia last won a series in England in 2001, but they have the 2nd best W/L ratio in England post 2000 behind South Africa only.