Individual racism versus systemic racism

[sweep_shot]

I have seen some folks claiming black people face systematic racism in western countries. I somewhat disagree with that claim.

I feel that systemic racism is no longer a major issue in western countries. If that was the case, black people could've been barred from immigrating. Black people can still have jobs and study in college. They can join army and police force. They can do whatever they want (including protest). Human rights groups constantly back them up and they receive donations and whatnot.

Whatever racism that is left, it is mostly individual in nature.

Do you think there is systematic racism against black people or another race? Feel free to prove that with facts.

Again, this is not a thread against black people or black movement. This is a general thread about whether or not there is systematic racism.

 

[Nostalgic]

We may want to refine the question to consider de jure vs de facto systemic racism. All you've said may arguably be true for de jure racism, as in there being no laws explicitly targeting their race. It may not be so true for de facto racism, where laws that end up impacting one race exist, even if the text may appear agnostic to race.

Furthermore, it is the people that make the system, and even if racism is individual rather than systemic, as long as the individuals exhibiting racist tendencies are in a position to influence the system, individual vs systemic ends up as a fuzzy continuum rather than being discrete and easy to tell apart.

 

[Bilal_103]

Not sure about the other western countries but lets look at the USA where the black population is roughly 20%. A democratic, meritocratic system that has 20% of its citizens as black Americans should result in a representative system of 20% black officials, soldiers, prisoners, doctors, lawyers, and all other things artificially constructed by the society to happen. In the Pennsylvania Supermax, for example, 90% of inmates are black and 90% of guards are white.

In the City of New York Fire Department, there’s nearly zero black commanders in a city with millions of black homes susceptible to fire. Black soldiers have received less accolades than their white counterparts in combat, and for many years were either restricted from service or had their medals from the Civil War revoked. The Supreme Court has had two black jurists out of hundreds of Justices, and there has been two black Attorneys General and zero percent of the highest House and Senate leader posts have been held by black people.

In North Carolina, many black-majority counties have never had a black executive. Far less than 20% of business leadership positions are held by black people.

 

[Nostalgic]

Examples in the US context: the War Against Drugs may sound like a great idea on paper, and what laws exist to execute that war may not explicitly say they will target black communities, they do, and it isn't simply a case of this happening inadvertently. The Republicans were well aware of how this would turn out to be.

Voter suppression is another contentious topic. Republicans are fully aware of how this impacts black communities, who are likely to vote Democratic. Several Republicans have acknowledged that suppressing the black vote is part of their electoral strategy.

 

[Bilal_103]

Examples in the US context: the War Against Drugs may sound like a great idea on paper, and what laws exist to execute that war may not explicitly say they will target black communities, they do, and it isn't simply a case of this happening inadvertently. The Republicans were well aware of how this would turn out to be.

Voter suppression is another contentious topic. Republicans are fully aware of how this impacts black communities, who are likely to vote Democratic. Several Republicans have acknowledged that suppressing the black vote is part of their electoral strategy.

on top of this the electoral college is deeply flawed

 

[sweep_shot]

Not sure about the other western countries but lets look at the USA where the black population is roughly 20%. A democratic, meritocratic system that has 20% of its citizens as black Americans should result in a representative system of 20% black officials, soldiers, prisoners, doctors, lawyers, and all other things artificially constructed by the society to happen. In the Pennsylvania Supermax, for example, 90% of inmates are black and 90% of guards are white.

In the City of New York Fire Department, there’s nearly zero black commanders in a city with millions of black homes susceptible to fire. Black soldiers have received less accolades than their white counterparts in combat, and for many years were either restricted from service or had their medals from the Civil War revoked. The Supreme Court has had two black jurists out of hundreds of Justices, and there has been two black Attorneys General and zero percent of the highest House and Senate leader posts have been held by black people.

In North Carolina, many black-majority counties have never had a black executive. Far less than 20% of business leadership positions are held by black people.

I don't agree with proportional representation. That's similar to South Africa team's quota system which has been a massive failure.

A representative should be elected due to qualifications and not skin color.

 

[sweep_shot]

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Furthermore, it is the people that make the system, and even if racism is individual rather than systemic, as long as the individuals exhibiting racist tendencies are in a position to influence the system, individual vs systemic ends up as a fuzzy continuum rather than being discrete and easy to tell apart.

You have a point. However, United States has checks and balances.

Racist policies are generally called out and overturned. Trump's various decisions were promptly overturned, for example.

 

[Bilal_103]

I don't agree with proportional representation. That's similar to South Africa team's quota system which has been a massive failure.

A representative should be elected due to qualifications and not skin color.

yes I agree with you. I was just pointing out that there is some sort of systematic problem. Above examples were just to point out that we should see a higher representation of black people in higher positions.

 

[sweep_shot]

yes I agree with you. I was just pointing out that there is some sort of systematic problem. Above examples were just to point out that we should see a higher representation of black people in higher positions.

What if there are not enough qualified and charismatic black candidates? I think that's the primary reason why we haven't seen too many black representatives.

If there was systematic racism, Obama probably wouldn't have been president.

 

[Kroll]

It would be very naive to say there is no systemic racism in the US to this day. Forget the explosion of outrage across every major US city, the United States foundation was built on racism and brutal oppression. The remnants of which are very much alive today.

It would also be naive to to think that systemic racism doesn't exist in other western countries. The size and history of the US just magnifies that much more.

 

[Nostalgic]

You have a point. However, United States has checks and balances.

Racist policies are generally called out and overturned. Trump's various decisions were promptly overturned, for example.

By liberal judges. Once he's done stacking the courts, which he is doing and which is one of the reasons Republicans stick with him through thick and thin, it may no longer be the case. And if these checks and balances were really so effective, the much-discussed discrepancy in rates of incarceration wouldn't be what it is.

 

[sweep_shot]

It would be very naive to say there is no systemic racism in the US to this day. Forget the explosion of outrage across every major US city, the United States foundation was built on racism and brutal oppression. The remnants of which are very much alive today.

It would also be naive to to think that systemic racism doesn't exist in other western countries. The size and history of the US just magnifies that much more.

US was founded over 200 years ago. This is now 2020. There is no more systematic racism. Everyone has rights.

The racism you are referring to is individual racism. Even blacks can be racists. I have seen blacks attacking Chinese people, for example.

 

[Nostalgic]

If there was systematic racism, Obama probably wouldn't have been president.

Obama was a once in a lifetime candidate who happened to be at the right place at the right time. And one who prevailed despite the system, not because of it.

 

[Kroll]

US was founded over 200 years ago. This is now 2020. There is no more systematic racism. Everyone has rights.

The racism you are referring to is individual racism. Even blacks can be racists. I have seen blacks attacking Chinese people, for example.

Let me put it this way before I write a reply as I haven't got time right now. It wouldn't matter what me or you think.

Go up to a hundred different African Americans for a reasonable sample size and ask them whether systemic racism in the US exists and you would get your answer.

 

[Halaribo]

I sometimes wonder what world people are living in.

If any Muslims believe any of the nonsense in the OP, then just give up whining and moaning in life and take your lot. Accept it.

There are no laws in the west that discriminate against your religion or race.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

yes I agree with you. I was just pointing out that there is some sort of systematic problem. Above examples were just to point out that we should see a higher representation of black people in higher positions.

Do you think the NBA has a systematic problem? Or sports in generals since Asians are vastly underrepresented?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

US has individual racism not systematic. There is no law that is against any race or religion on the books. However there is alot of individual racism against Blacks. As in being viewed as criminals, and thieves. Which leads to the police being called on them for no good reason. It will take a few more generations for this to go away at minimum.

 

[Robert]

I have seen some folks claiming black people face systematic racism in western countries. I somewhat disagree with that claim.

I feel that systemic racism is no longer a major issue in western countries. If that was the case, black people could've been barred from immigrating. Black people can still have jobs and study in college. They can join army and police force. They can do whatever they want (including protest). Human rights groups constantly back them up and they receive donations and whatnot.

Whatever racism that is left, it is mostly individual in nature.

Do you think there is systematic racism against black people or another race? Feel free to prove that with facts.

Again, this is not a thread against black people or black movement. This is a general thread about whether or not there is systematic racism.

It's not overt like it used to be but it is still there. I often quote the stat that black youths are six times more likely to be stop-searched than their white counterparts, then are more likely to be charged, more likely to be convicted, and receive longer jail terms. Black males who are incarcerated are more likely to be misdiagnosed as heroin addicts by white and Asian doctors, and put on methadone regimes. They enter the system clean and leave as addicts.

This inequality exists in other sectors too.

Blacks on average get less effective health care than whites due to linguistic / cultural factors causing misdiagnosis. They are more likely to be diagnosed schizophrenic for the same reason. They are more likely to die of COVID than whites.

In school, black boys start falling behind their white and Asian counterparts very early in academic achievement and are more likely to have literacy and numeracy issues in adulthood.

 

[hamid.s]

US was founded over 200 years ago. This is now 2020. There is no more systematic racism. Everyone has rights.

The racism you are referring to is individual racism. Even blacks can be racists. I have seen blacks attacking Chinese people, for example.

There is absolutely no doubt about the institutional racism towards black population in USA.

Starting with housing, education, access to health care, and in many social aspects, there are tremendous obstacles for the black community. Even on criminal justice, many are sent away for years just for trivial drug charges.

On an individual basis, anyone can be racist. Black, white, brown. Heck, we brown can be very racist as well.

But there are systems and institutions established and enforced that creates a lot of road block for a black man or woman.

To blatantly ignore their struggle and plight is hypocritical for immigrant and minority community like ours.

P.S. only taking from an US perspective. not other western countries.

 

[Technics 1210]

US was founded over 200 years ago. This is now 2020. There is no more systematic racism. Everyone has rights.

The racism you are referring to is individual racism. Even blacks can be racists. I have seen blacks attacking Chinese people, for example.

A week before the Floyd incident, blacks were arrested in Chicago for gunning down white people.

You are spot on, the victim card has run it's course.

 

[Technics 1210]

US was founded over 200 years ago. This is now 2020. There is no more systematic racism. Everyone has rights.

The racism you are referring to is individual racism. Even blacks can be racists. I have seen blacks attacking Chinese people, for example.

It's not overt like it used to be but it is still there. I often quote the stat that black youths are six times more likely to be stop-searched than their white counterparts, then are more likely to be charged, more likely to be convicted, and receive longer jail terms. Black males who are incarcerated are more likely to be misdiagnosed as heroin addicts by white and Asian doctors, and put on methadone regimes. They enter the system clean and leave as addicts.

This inequality exists in other sectors too.

Blacks on average get less effective health care than whites due to linguistic / cultural factors causing misdiagnosis. They are more likely to be diagnosed schizophrenic for the same reason. They are more likely to die of COVID than whites.

In school, black boys start falling behind their white and Asian counterparts very early in academic achievement and are more likely to have literacy and numeracy issues in adulthood.

That's because black youths are statistically more likely to carry out knife crime (in London at least). More black youths have been arrested and charged for knife crime in London. There's nothing racist in changing an approach derived from data.

Language and cultural barriers apply to others too, not just the black community.

 

[The Viper]

Two-thirds of Americans think Trump has increased racial tensions in the country, a new poll found as protests over the killing of George Floyd continue across the US.

According to a new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll, 67% of Americans say Trump has mostly increased racial tensions. That number includes 92% of Democrats, 73% of independents and 29% of Republicans.

In comparison, 18% of Americans said the president has decreased racial tensions, including 41% of Republicans. Another 30% of Republicans said they weren’t sure.

Lee Miringoff, the director of the institute that conducted the poll, said of the numbers, “It’s very unusual to see Republicans break when the name Trump is presented, but that is the case here.

 

[sweep_shot]

It's not overt like it used to be but it is still there. I often quote the stat that black youths are six times more likely to be stop-searched than their white counterparts, then are more likely to be charged, more likely to be convicted, and receive longer jail terms. Black males who are incarcerated are more likely to be misdiagnosed as heroin addicts by white and Asian doctors, and put on methadone regimes. They enter the system clean and leave as addicts.

This inequality exists in other sectors too.

Blacks on average get less effective health care than whites due to linguistic / cultural factors causing misdiagnosis. They are more likely to be diagnosed schizophrenic for the same reason. They are more likely to die of COVID than whites.

In school, black boys start falling behind their white and Asian counterparts very early in academic achievement and are more likely to have literacy and numeracy issues in adulthood.

I see. This is a pretty detailed explanation.

I know black people face more obstacles than other races. However, protesting is probably not going to do much. Solutions need to happen slowly and gradually. There should also be self-accountability.

They can turn things around in 2-3 generations if present generation raises future generations well.

 

[Azzurri]

I see a lot of naive posts here. Some of you are suggesting that over the course of next 2-3 generations the situation will improve. The point is, if the systematic discrimination in the US remains, the disparity between the people of color and whites will remain. As someone mentioned above, there’s a huge inequality between the blacks and whites in the fundamental sectors like education, health, justice and banking. To get things back on track and to promote equality, the US administration have to do extra effort (which may include more subsidies, funding and representations to bring the African Americans at par with the whites).
And once that goal is reached, the extra measures can be discarded. But to expect that over time things will self improve is nothing more than a naive expectation.

 

[Technics 1210]

I see a lot of naive posts here. Some of you are suggesting that over the course of next 2-3 generations the situation will improve. The point is, if the systematic discrimination in the US remains, the disparity between the people of color and whites will remain. As someone mentioned above, there’s a huge inequality between the blacks and whites in the fundamental sectors like education, health, justice and banking. To get things back on track and to promote equality, the US administration have to do extra effort (which may include more subsidies, funding and representations to bring the African Americans at par with the whites).
And once that goal is reached, the extra measures can be discarded. But to expect that over time things will self improve is nothing more than a naive expectation.

Yet in sports and music, the black community are way ahead and far more successful.

When Obama won the Presidency, what was that? A snub on the black community where most of the voters were white?

 

[sweep_shot]

I see a lot of naive posts here. Some of you are suggesting that over the course of next 2-3 generations the situation will improve. The point is, if the systematic discrimination in the US remains, the disparity between the people of color and whites will remain. As someone mentioned above, there’s a huge inequality between the blacks and whites in the fundamental sectors like education, health, justice and banking. To get things back on track and to promote equality, the US administration have to do extra effort (which may include more subsidies, funding and representations to bring the African Americans at par with the whites).
And once that goal is reached, the extra measures can be discarded. But to expect that over time things will self improve is nothing more than a naive expectation.

Why should blacks get preferential treatment over other races? Every race should have equal opportunity (including whites).

 

[Shazzam]

Systematic racism does exist. There is enough proof out there that it does. One should not play blind eye to it. If it truly never existed than these protests would not be happening. People are hurt, they need a say. Its time for a change.

 

[Azzurri]

Why should blacks get preferential treatment over other races? Every race should have equal opportunity (including whites).

The answer is simple. Blacks have been bullied, oppressed and discrimination for around 200 years, which has left them way behind in the race of life. Therefore, it’s governments responsibility to bring them on par with the rest of the population.
If Germans can do it after the fall of Berlin war, I don’t see any reason why US shouldn’t do it.

 

[Azzurri]

Yet in sports and music, the black community are way ahead and far more successful.

When Obama won the Presidency, what was that? A snub on the black community where most of the voters were white?

This particular case is quite similar to France. Look at the French football team, it’s almost full of black French. Does it mean that the blacks are on par with the whites, when it comes to other sectors i.e. Education, Justice, Health? No they aren’t. It’s an exception rather than a norm. Same is the case with the election of Obama.

 

[Robert]

I see. This is a pretty detailed explanation.

I know black people face more obstacles than other races. However, protesting is probably not going to do much. Solutions need to happen slowly and gradually. There should also be self-accountability.

They can turn things around in 2-3 generations if present generation raises future generations well.

What you are saying here is that the inequality is black peoples’ fault, instead of being imposed upon them by centuries of white supremacy culture.

Structural change is what is required.

 

[Technics 1210]

This particular case is quite similar to France. Look at the French football team, it’s almost full of black French. Does it mean that the blacks are on par with the whites, when it comes to other sectors i.e. Education, Justice, Health? No they aren’t. It’s an exception rather than a norm. Same is the case with the election of Obama.

You’ve just focused on Football World Cup team, in which blacks are representing their country, same as whites. Totally on par. In USA blacks are among the highest paid earners within sport, from Athletics, Basketball, Boxing, American Football etc.

This is not about blacks being on par, this is about equal opportunity, and blacks have equal opportunity as every race in USA and UK.

Education? There is no school that bans blacks in the West.

Health? The NHS is open to all races. In USA medical access and bills is a problem for all races.

Judicial? What does this even mean? That black prisoners are actually all innocent?

So that leaves Obama, a fluke, an exception?Wow. When blacks excel it’s a fluke, when they fail, it’s racism.

The West provides equal opportunity to all races, this equality is enshrined in law.

 

[Azzurri]

You’ve just focused on Football World Cup team, in which blacks are representing their country, same as whites. Totally on par. In USA blacks are among the highest paid earners within sport, from Athletics, Basketball, Boxing, American Football etc.

This is not about blacks being on par, this is about equal opportunity, and blacks have equal opportunity as every race in USA and UK.

Education? There is no school that bans blacks in the West.

Health? The NHS is open to all races. In USA medical access and bills is a problem for all races.

Judicial? What does this even mean? That black prisoners are actually all innocent?

So that leaves Obama, a fluke, an exception?Wow. When blacks excel it’s a fluke, when they fail, it’s racism.

The West provides equal opportunity to all races, this equality is enshrined in law.

Man, I am not going to waste my time with your nonsense. You better look up and educate yourself on this particular matter.

 

[Technics 1210]

Man, I am not going to waste my time with your nonsense. You better look up and educate yourself on this particular matter.

You got trumped. Didn’t think of Obama In your hippy rant and the best you got it was an exception.

It’s you who needs an education. Go read a book for once instead of jumping on the internet bandwagon.

To the rest of you, do not buy this lefty cult nonsense. Blacks have equal opportunities in the West, by law. No one can disprove this.

 

[junoon]

Examples in the US context: the War Against Drugs may sound like a great idea on paper, and what laws exist to execute that war may not explicitly say they will target black communities, they do, and it isn't simply a case of this happening inadvertently. The Republicans were well aware of how this would turn out to be.

Voter suppression is another contentious topic. Republicans are fully aware of how this impacts black communities, who are likely to vote Democratic. Several Republicans have acknowledged that suppressing the black vote is part of their electoral strategy.

How are republicans able to get away with voter suppression? Since blacks are around 13% of USA population, and almost 90% of them vote for democrats. That means more than 20% of people who vote democrat are blacks

This is not 1960s any more so why aren't Democrats more vocal and speak up against voter suppression when so much of their base voters is black.

 

[Nostalgic]

How are republicans able to get away with voter suppression? Since blacks are around 13% of USA population, and almost 90% of them vote for democrats. That means more than 20% of people who vote democrat are blacks

This is not 1960s any more so why aren't Democrats more vocal and speak up against voter suppression when so much of their base voters is black.

Mass incarceration plays a role, which predominantly targets blacks. Once you're a felon, you can't vote. Making it difficult to vote, by opposing the idea of a federal holiday on election day. Voter ID requirements, which have been proven to be unnecessary and don't lead to mass fraud, are another factor. The people most likely not to have valid IDs are black. Gerrymandering of an unprecedented scale, so that even in the House of Representatives, the Republican minority starts off with an advantage.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I see a lot of naive posts here. Some of you are suggesting that over the course of next 2-3 generations the situation will improve. The point is, if the systematic discrimination in the US remains, the disparity between the people of color and whites will remain. As someone mentioned above, there’s a huge inequality between the blacks and whites in the fundamental sectors like education, health, justice and banking. To get things back on track and to promote equality, the US administration have to do extra effort (which may include more subsidies, funding and representations to bring the African Americans at par with the whites).
And once that goal is reached, the extra measures can be discarded. But to expect that over time things will self improve is nothing more than a naive expectation.

With intermarriage within 2 to 3 generations its possible that the US can be a racial mix. If you have family members with a darker skin tone you are less likely to get scared of them, and call the police on them or view them as criminals.

Like in Pakistan we are not scared of darker skinned Pakistanis, nor do we view skin color correlating with intelligence, and crime, etc. Here in the US that mentality still exists.

 

[Sirris]

I am taking about in the context of Pakistan where skin complexion is a problem when it comes to marriages.

There are families where the skin complexion can range from very dark to very fair among siblings.

Another question:

If you were to select someone to take part in a sprinting competition without knowing anything about their fitness history, would the person you choose be likely of African decent or non-African decent?

I'd most likely choose an African.

Am I being racist?

Yea most guys if everything else was equal would prefer a lighter skin color girl in marriage. Its ultimately a preference. Same way girls prefer guys prefer guys with higher income over guys with lower income. I don't think you can make a preference illegal. the problem would be if a lighter skin person has a higher chance of getting a job or being promoted for a job because of there skin color. Or if skin color causes you to be stereotyped for being a criminal. Or skin color is used to determine your intelligence.

And no not racist to choose the person of African descent to win a sprinting competition.

Why is it not racist?

I am not trying to catch you. I am trying to understand the issue.

Its not racist because you are not discriminating by placing a bet on the person of African heritage to win a sprinting competition. Racism would be if you deny the opportunity to non Africans to compete because you don't think they are good.

I am not the one who organizes the competition, I am just selecting my favored candidate. I have no other information available besides a list with the name of the candidates and their ethnicity.

Is my thought process racist for thinking that the African person would be better than the others solely because of his ethnic background?

In other words, am I being racist for thinking the Chinese candidate doesn't have it in him to win the race because of his ethnicity, since that's all the info I have?

Shouldn't I be picking any random candidate, regardless of their race and think anyone could make it?

If I do not want to live in a neighborhood where Africans are the largest inhabitants, am I being racist?

In terms of betting its not racism. Its your money you can put it on whoever you want.

As far as where you live, it should be your choice of where you live. Its racist if you stereotype that because its African majority it has more crime, or that its dangerous. But if you just dont want to live there its your choice.

Gharib Adami I think this is a better thread to continue our discussion.

You didn't address the thought process that goes into me choosing the African person as my candidate to win the race. It should be considered racism, since I am attributing inferior athleticism with the Chinese guy in contrast to the African guy just because of his race. With or without any money involved.

You can hold a public survey and most people would choose the African person.

Why is it not racist to stereotype that he is African so he has a superior athletic ability?

 

[Sirris]

With intermarriage within 2 to 3 generations its possible that the US can be a racial mix. If you have family members with a darker skin tone you are less likely to get scared of them, and call the police on them or view them as criminals.

Like in Pakistan we are not scared of darker skinned Pakistanis, nor do we view skin color correlating with intelligence, and crime, etc. Here in the US that mentality still exists.

Are people really scared of the "darker skin" color or are they scared of the "criminal culture" they associate with "darker skin" regardless of whether it's a legitimate concern or not.

Isn't it true that the reason fair skinned Pakistani aren't scared of darker skinned Pakistani because there is not a "dominant skin color" attributed to higher crime rates in Pakistan?

Are dark skinned Pakistani less scared of African neighborhood known for gang violence?

Are Western European racist towards their own "Caucasian race" if they avoid Eastern European immigrants, who are notorious for their high crime rates in Western Europe?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Gharib Adami I think this is a better thread to continue our discussion.

You didn't address the thought process that goes into me choosing the African person as my candidate to win the race. It should be considered racism, since I am attributing inferior athleticism with the Chinese guy in contrast to the African guy just because of his race. With or without any money involved.

You can hold a public survey and most people would choose the African person.

Why is it not racist to stereotype that he is African so he has a superior athletic ability?

Well that's a positive stereotype.....and yes its a negative stereotype to assume that a Chinese wont have better athletic ability to win, but ultimately for racism there needs to be discrimination....Its not your competition...You didn't deny the non African the opportunity to compete....Its your choice to choose who you think is going to win the race.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Are people really scared of the "darker skin" color or are they scared of the "criminal culture" they associate with "darker skin" regardless of whether it's a legitimate concern or not.

Isn't it true that the reason fair skinned Pakistani aren't scared of darker skinned Pakistani because there is not a "dominant skin color" attributed to higher crime rates in Pakistan?

Are dark skinned Pakistani less scared of African neighborhood known for gang violence?

Are Western European racist towards their own "Caucasian race" if they avoid Eastern European immigrants, who are notorious for their high crime rates in Western Europe?

1 - They are scared of the crime, but skin color plays a role too....Whites would be comfortable around poor whites than rich blacks

2 - Thats a fair point that Pakistanis don't have higher crimes based on skin color.

3 - No, they would have the same fear

4 - No, its fine to avoid areas of high crime

My ultimate point with intermarriage was, if that would happen there would no longer be a white or black race in the US. Ultimately everyone would be some shade of brown.....So when that would happen people wont have the same amount of negative views of people based on race....

 

[junoon]

Mass incarceration plays a role, which predominantly targets blacks. Once you're a felon, you can't vote. Making it difficult to vote, by opposing the idea of a federal holiday on election day. Voter ID requirements, which have been proven to be unnecessary and don't lead to mass fraud, are another factor. The people most likely not to have valid IDs are black. Gerrymandering of an unprecedented scale, so that even in the House of Representatives, the Republican minority starts off with an advantage.

I remember the 2000 election, in Florida GW Bush was declared winner by only around 500 votes where names of thousands of black voters were purged from voter lists. Even though Al Gore had won the popular vote.

Does Gerrymandering that favours Republicans mostly happen in the deep south states or across America? I think blacks are around one-third of the population in many southern states, highest in Mississippi at 37%. Black votes can obviously have the most impact in the south?

 

[Sirris]

1 - They are scared of the crime, but skin color plays a role too....Whites would be comfortable around poor whites than rich blacks

2 - Thats a fair point that Pakistanis don't have higher crimes based on skin color.

3 - No, they would have the same fear

4 - No, its fine to avoid areas of high crime

My ultimate point with intermarriage was, if that would happen there would no longer be a white or black race in the US. Ultimately everyone would be some shade of brown.....So when that would happen people wont have the same amount of negative views of people based on race....

1. In countries, where Easter Europeans make up the large percentage of criminals, the "whites" are more comfortable with dark skinned minorities, not known for crime than with fellow whites from Eastern Europe.

2. Your 'racial' intermarriage idea is going to trigger more of the "there is a genocide going on against white people" lunatics. It is an extreme idea and surely there are better solutions.

We can only come towards a real solution by first stop being so politically correct and allow for a public debate in a respectful manner.

This whole BLM gang relies on outrage, emotional blackmailing and demonizing the opponent.

Nowadays, no one can openly say that Afro-Americans have a higher crime rate in the USA, therefore I am watchful when I meet one without being labelled as a racist low-life. Heck, even when I first pointed out that the riotings should be condemned, I was told by some on this forum to just turn a blind eye.

George Floyd was murdered by the cop no doubt.

At same time, it is possible that Afro-American suspects are more likely to resist an arrest and therefore a cop might be biased when dealing with such an individual and more prone to using excessive force.

Both behaviors are wrong and only a proper debate on this matter can help us get to the bottom of the things. However, the main problem is that even uttering such thoughts in public would get me labelled as a bigot, KKK apologist and what not.

The current environment of political correctness has actually turned into a form of censorship, where certain thoughts can not be spoken out in public, which leads to people forming their own isolated groups on the internet discussion board and since they are with like-minded individuals, no one can call out the flaw in their logic and the circle jerk leads to the rise of extremist thoughts.

This is what leads to the rise of modern White extremism.
This is what leads to the rise of any form of extremism in our modern days.

 

[Nostalgic]

I remember the 2000 election, in Florida GW Bush was declared winner by only around 500 votes where names of thousands of black voters were purged from voter lists. Even though Al Gore had won the popular vote.

Does Gerrymandering that favours Republicans mostly happen in the deep south states or across America? I think blacks are around one-third of the population in many southern states, highest in Mississippi at 37%. Black votes can obviously have the most impact in the south?

Gerrymandering happens everywhere, and the Democrats indulge in it too, where they can. Its just that redistricting occurs after the census, and the last one in 2010 saw Republicans make significant gains in the midterms, another reason it is imperative that the Democrats do well this year. The scientific gerrymandering the Republicans engaged in after 2010 has impacted all elections since, so much so that at one point, in the House of Representatives, the Republicans held a 55%-45% majority, despite having won 45% of the vote.

Just the other day I saw the Netflix documentary 13TH. In Alabama, bordering Mississippi, fully 30% of the black voters are disenfranchised because they are officially felons. I would image Mississippi being no different, so that 37% makes less of an impact than it could, and that is so by design.

 

[sweep_shot]

What you are saying here is that the inequality is black peoples’ fault, instead of being imposed upon them by centuries of white supremacy culture.

Structural change is what is required.

Individual change is more important than structural change. However, I agree that some structural changes can make things better.

 

[MenInG]

Japan's NHK removes video about US protests after online outrage

Japanese public broadcaster NHK has apologised and deleted from its Twitter account an animated video aimed at explaining the background behind US protests for police reform but which sparked online outrage for its depiction of African Americans.

The 1:21 minute clip, which NHK had also broadcast, featured a tough-talking black narrator citing the wealth disparity between black and white Americans and the economic impact from the coronavirus.

But it made no mention of police brutality or the death of George Floyd.

In the clip, the narrator's bodybuilder-like muscles were bursting out of a white top, while other African-American characters included a man with an afro and mutton chop sideburns, and a muscular man in a sleeveless purple suit, fedora-style hat and sandals strumming a guitar.

 

[Robert]

How are republicans able to get away with voter suppression? Since blacks are around 13% of USA population, and almost 90% of them vote for democrats. That means more than 20% of people who vote democrat are blacks

This is not 1960s any more so why aren't Democrats more vocal and speak up against voter suppression when so much of their base voters is black.

Consider the targeted FB ads before the 2016 election telling blacks that voting was pointless.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Having rights isn't the same as being accepted. Can't speak about blacks in America, but would imagine you'd think twice about wearing a backpack on a bus if you were non-white, whereas you wouldn't give it a thought if you were. Not sure this is racism though, or just natural fear.

 

[Technics 1210]

Having rights isn't the same as being accepted. Can't speak about blacks in America, but would imagine you'd think twice about wearing a backpack on a bus if you were non-white, whereas you wouldn't give it a thought if you were. Not sure this is racism though, or just natural fear.

In the UK, ethnic minorities are not accepted, but tolerated.

We live in a tolerant society.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In the UK, ethnic minorities are not accepted, but tolerated.

We live in a tolerant society.

Which is fine if you are an immigrant, but as someone born and brought up British, I don't need to be tolerated, I want the same as Jim Bloggs. Me and Jim can reserve our tolerance for immigrants together, whether from Rumania or Calcutta.

 

[MenInG]

The Senate has unanimously confirmed General Charles Brown as the next chief of staff of the Air Force, making him the first African American chief of a military service branch.

Vice President Mike Pence presided over the vote for Brown’s nomination, which all 98 senators who were present supported. Announcing the final vote, Pence described Brown’s nomination as “historic.”

Trump celebrated Brown’s confirmation about an hour before the vote was finalized, praising the general as “a Patriot and Great Leader” in a tweet.

Brown’s confirmation came as George Floyd’s memorial service took place in Houston, with many speakers demanding that racial injustice be addressed after Floyd was killed in police custody.

 

[MenInG]

LONDON (Reuters) - The Lloyd’s of London insurance market has apologised for its “shameful” role in the 18th and 19th Century Atlantic slave trade and has agreed to fund charities and organisations promoting opportunities for black and ethnic minority groups.

About 17 million African men, women and children were torn from their homes and shackled into one of the world’s most brutal globalised trades between the 15th and 19th centuries. Many died in merciless conditions.

“We are sorry for the role played by the Lloyd’s market in the 18th and 19th Century slave trade - an appalling and shameful period of English history, as well as our own,” Lloyd’s said.

“Recent events have shone a spotlight on the inequality that black people have experienced over many years as a result of systematic and structural racism that has existed in many aspects of society and unleashed difficult conversations that were long overdue.”

The world’s leading commercial insurance market, Lloyd’s - which started life in Edward Lloyd’s coffee house in 1688 - is where complex insurance contracts ranging from catastrophe to events cancellation are agreed and underwritten.

Lloyd’s grew to dominate the shipping insurance market, a key element of Europe’s global scramble for empire, treasure and slaves, who were generally in the 18th Century included in insurance policies in the general rate for ship cargo.

Lloyd’s said it would invest in programmes to attract black and minority ethnic talent, review its organisation’s artefacts to ensure they were not racist and provide financial support to charities and organisations promoting opportunity for black and minority ethnic people.

In the biggest deportation in known history, weapons and gunpowder from Europe were swapped for millions of African slaves who were shipped across the Atlantic to the Americas. Ships returned to Europe with sugar, cotton and tobacco.

Those who survived endured a life of subjugation on sugar, tobacco and cotton plantations. Britain abolished the trans-Atlantic slave trade in 1807 although the full abolition of slavery did not follow for another generation.

A sweeping global reassessment of history and racism has been triggered by the May 25 death of George Floyd, a black man who died after a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes while detaining him.

An Oxford University college said on Wednesday it wanted to remove from its facade a statue of 19th century colonialist Cecil Rhodes that has been a target of anti-racism protests.

Greene King, which describes itself as Britain’s leading pub owner and brewer, apologised for the profit one of its original founders made from the slave trade.

“It is inexcusable that one of our founders profited from slavery and argued against its abolition in the 1800s,” Chief Executive Nick Mackenzie said.

He said the company would make investments to help the black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) community and to support race diversity in its business.

 

[The Viper]

Ban 'racist Black Pete' Jesse Jackson writes Dutch PM Rutte

U.S. civil rights leader Jesse Jackson has written Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte asking him to end the use of the pre-Christmas character “Black Pete,” which Jackson called a racist relic of colonialism

“I am writing to urge you to heed your moral conscience and do what you believe and know to be right,” Jackson wrote to Rutte in a letter sent via the Dutch Embassy in Washington that was received in The Hague on Thursday.

The debate about Black Pete has gained momentum in the Netherlands in recent weeks as tens of thousands of anti-racism demonstrators protested the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis and discrimination at home.

In the Dutch tradition, St. Nicholas arrives on Dec. 5 bringing gifts to children accompanied by numerous “Petes”, clownish servants usually portrayed by white people in black face paint wearing frizzy wigs and red lipstick.

Rutte said in 2013 that “Black Pete is just black and I can’t do much about that”. But this month, he said his attitude had undergone “great changes” after meeting people, including “small children, who said: ‘I feel terribly discriminated (against) because Pete is black’.”

The prime minister added his government was not planning any legal action on the matter, but that “I expect in a few years there will be no more Black Petes.”

Rutte’s office confirmed it had received the letter, but had no additional comment.

Supporters argue that Black Pete is not meant to portray black skin colour, but chimney soot. Several large Dutch cities have replaced Black Pete with “rainbow” Petes in recent years, but the practice is still widespread.

“Black Pete cannot be separated from the very offensive tradition of black face in the United States. The December 5 tradition of Black Pete is seen as an offensive relic of colonial times,” Jackson wrote.

“I believe with your moral leadership the good people of the Netherlands will respond positively to ban the offensive and racist Black Pete, for good. The whole world is watching,” he said.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-m...kson-writes-dutch-pm-rutte-idUKKBN23P3KY?il=0

 

[MenInG]

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[sweep_shot]

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This video has some great materials but my question is why is Africa the poorest in the world then? There is no systematic racism there and it is a black-majority continent.

I personally feel it is a combination of racism and lack of adequate effort from black community that is the reason behind the current mess.

I hope things get better though (whatever the cause is).

 

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'Pervasive racism' blamed for unequal treatment of black and Asian war casualties

Up to 350,000 predominantly black and Asian service personnel have not been formally remembered in the same way as their white comrades.

An investigation has blamed "pervasive racism" for the failure to properly commemorate at least 116,000 but up to 350,000 people who died fighting for the British Empire.

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission has apologised and vowed to act immediately to correct the situation.

The report, obtained by the PA news agency and due to be published in full later today, found that the casualties - mainly from the First World War - were "not commemorated by name or possibly not commemorated at all".

Most of them were commemorated by memorials that did not carry their names.

An estimated 45,000 to 54,000 Asian and African casualties were also "commemorated unequally".

This meant some were commemorated collectively on memorials - unlike those in Europe - and others who were missing were only recorded in registers, rather than on stone.

The job of commemorating the war dead belongs to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, originally named the Imperial War Graves Commission.

The report was compiled by a special committee, established by the CWGC in 2019 after a critical documentary about the issue.

According to the report, the failure to properly commemorate the individuals was "influenced by a scarcity of information, errors inherited from other organisations and the opinions of colonial administrators".

"Underpinning all these decisions, however, were the entrenched prejudices, preconceptions and pervasive racism of contemporary imperial attitudes," it added.

The report gave the example of a 1923 communication between FG Guggisberg, the governor of what is now Ghana, and the commission's Arthur Browne.

The governor had said "the average native of the Gold Coast would not understand or appreciate a headstone," as he argued for collective memorials.

Mr Browne's response showed "what he may have considered foresight, but one that was explicitly framed by contemporary racial prejudice", according to the report.

He had said: "In perhaps two or three hundred years' time, when the native population had reached a higher stage of civilisation, they might then be glad to see that headstones had been erected on the native graves and that the native soldiers had received precisely the same treatment as their white comrades."

In its response to the report, the CWGC said it "acknowledges that the commission failed to fully carry out its responsibilities at the time and accepts the findings and failings identified in this report and we apologise unreservedly for them".

CWGC director general Claire Horton said: "The events of a century ago were wrong then and are wrong now.

"We recognise the wrongs of the past and are deeply sorry and will be acting immediately to correct them."

David Lammy, the shadow justice secretary, said: "No apology can ever make up for the indignity suffered by the unremembered.

"However, this apology does offer the opportunity for us as a nation to work through this ugly part of our history - and properly pay our respects to every soldier who has sacrificed their life for us."

https://news.sky.com/story/pervasiv...n-war-casualties-12283350?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter