Inexperienced buddies replaced by Inexperienced buddies, has Pakistan's coaching set up improved?

[Major]

An argument against Misbah was that he shouldn't be made coach as he is inexperienced, he has no coaching experience. This was an argument presented by Rameez Raja as commentator, thus, as he was about to come to power, he forcefully made Misbah and Waqar resign.
Another argument presented against Misbah was that he had hired his buddies in the coaching set up.

The replacements, Abdul Razzaq and Saqlain Mushtaq. Abdul Razzaq while does coach domestic team doesn't have an international experience.

Moreover, we have now got Mathew Hayden and Vernon Philander in the coaching set up. It seams they will most likely be hired as consulted rather than coaches as no advertisement had been posted yet.

But Hayden and Philander have got no coaching experience. They have no coach an international team and I wonder what domestic coaching experience they have got. They are also buddies of Rameez Raja due to them often being found with Rameez and co in commentary

While I personally have no issue with the experience part, and if moving on from Misbah towards a better coaching set up helps our cricket than good such decisions should be taken. But my question to critics are that you placed the inexperience argument before, now would you place the same argument against Philander and Hayden or not?

If not, than arn't we being hypocrites?

 

[zarak]

An argument against Misbah was that he shouldn't be made coach as he is inexperienced, he has no coaching experience. This was an argument presented by Rameez Raja as commentator, thus, as he was about to come to power, he forcefully made Misbah and Waqar resign.
Another argument presented against Misbah was that he had hired his buddies in the coaching set up.

The replacements, Abdul Razzaq and Saqlain Mushtaq. Abdul Razzaq while does coach domestic team doesn't have an international experience.

Moreover, we have now got Mathew Hayden and Vernon Philander in the coaching set up. It seams they will most likely be hired as consulted rather than coaches as no advertisement had been posted yet.

But Hayden and Philander have got no coaching experience. They have no coach an international team and I wonder what domestic coaching experience they have got. They are also buddies of Rameez Raja due to them often being found with Rameez and co in commentary

While I personally have no issue with the experience part, and if moving on from Misbah towards a better coaching set up helps our cricket than good such decisions should be taken. But my question to critics are that you placed the inexperience argument before, now would you place the same argument against Philander and Hayden or not?

If not, than arn't we being hypocrites?

Saqlain has not been a head coach but has many years of coaching experience. Razzaq just has the one year. Not sure about Hayden and philander but they are more like consultants. Nothing hypocritical just a good stop gap solution

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I know you are hurt [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION].
But Hayden is a proven champion, knows how to win games and World Cups, and in fact he is mentally strong. He transformed his spin game and he is into mindfulness and meditation to keep mind calm under pressure and perform. Something the Pakistani lads can learn from.

Misbhah, is well, a safety first loser. His captaincy is overseas conditions was always atrocious and a horrible tactician.

 

[Savak]

An argument against Misbah was that he shouldn't be made coach as he is inexperienced, he has no coaching experience. This was an argument presented by Rameez Raja as commentator, thus, as he was about to come to power, he forcefully made Misbah and Waqar resign.
Another argument presented against Misbah was that he had hired his buddies in the coaching set up.

The replacements, Abdul Razzaq and Saqlain Mushtaq. Abdul Razzaq while does coach domestic team doesn't have an international experience.

Moreover, we have now got Mathew Hayden and Vernon Philander in the coaching set up. It seams they will most likely be hired as consulted rather than coaches as no advertisement had been posted yet.

But Hayden and Philander have got no coaching experience. They have no coach an international team and I wonder what domestic coaching experience they have got. They are also buddies of Rameez Raja due to them often being found with Rameez and co in commentary

While I personally have no issue with the experience part, and if moving on from Misbah towards a better coaching set up helps our cricket than good such decisions should be taken. But my question to critics are that you placed the inexperience argument before, now would you place the same argument against Philander and Hayden or not?

If not, than arn't we being hypocrites?

Misbah ul Haq is history. The shameless leeching is over

 

[unemployedgm]

I know you are hurt [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION].
But Hayden is a proven champion, knows how to win games and World Cups, and in fact he is mentally strong. He transformed his spin game and he is into mindfulness and meditation to keep mind calm under pressure and perform. Something the Pakistani lads can learn from.

Misbhah, is well, a safety first loser. His captaincy is overseas conditions was always atrocious and a horrible tactician.

How does Hayden help Us?

 

[Titan24]

I don’t think Abdul Razzaq and Saqlain can be considered inexperienced otherwise coachint staff of Eng, NZ and Aus would fall under sane category. Razzaq while not a lot atleast have successful experience of domestic coaching like is the case of some other head coaches around. Saqlain has worked with multiple international team as consultants so he doesn’t fall in that category as well.

However, if Hayden and Philander are appointed or will be appointed as the main coaches then that would be wrong. As consultants alongside some experienced coaches I guess one can accept it.

 

[Sycamore]

Temporary coaches Saqlain and Razzaq have more experience than head coach misbah.

Also what did you expect them to do on such short notice when misbah and waqar ran away in the dead of night ?

 

[MenInG]

Lahore: Former Pakistan players Moin Khan and Aaqib Javed have praised Ramiz Raja’s clarity after he highlighted goals in his first press conference as Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman.

Both the cricketers were present at the presser on a special invitation by Ramiz. His former teammates were impressed by the energy possessed by Ramiz.

“We have seen change after so long that a cricketer has been named chairman. His focus is to make Pakistan cricket better and it was a necessity that a cricketer should come and change cricket,” Aaqib told reporters.

“There was no contradiction in his words and he has also played his cricket like this too. He has achieved everything and the thing he has not achieved, he clearly stated today,” Moin said.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Let's give Hayden and Philander a series before we make a big judgement on them.

I think they'll be alright, maybe not Philander but Hayden can certainly be our batting coach.

If we get good results, I see no reason why he shouldn't be roped in.

 

[muqarrab]

An argument against Misbah was that he shouldn't be made coach as he is inexperienced, he has no coaching experience. This was an argument presented by Rameez Raja as commentator, thus, as he was about to come to power, he forcefully made Misbah and Waqar resign.
Another argument presented against Misbah was that he had hired his buddies in the coaching set up.

The replacements, Abdul Razzaq and Saqlain Mushtaq. Abdul Razzaq while does coach domestic team doesn't have an international experience.

Moreover, we have now got Mathew Hayden and Vernon Philander in the coaching set up. It seams they will most likely be hired as consulted rather than coaches as no advertisement had been posted yet.

But Hayden and Philander have got no coaching experience. They have no coach an international team and I wonder what domestic coaching experience they have got. They are also buddies of Rameez Raja due to them often being found with Rameez and co in commentary

While I personally have no issue with the experience part, and if moving on from Misbah towards a better coaching set up helps our cricket than good such decisions should be taken. But my question to critics are that you placed the inexperience argument before, now would you place the same argument against Philander and Hayden or not?

If not, than arn't we being hypocrites?

Looks like Mr Raja has appointed the first foreigner available regardless of need, experience and qualification.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hayden is an interesting choice not sure about Philander though. I think they should have approached Dale Steyn for that role instead. Saqlain has previously worked under ECB. He will be a thorough professional.

 

[Kianig89]

Finally the jets in PCB are grounded
Hayden and Philander are good choices give them some time

 

[Major]

I know you are hurt [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION].
But Hayden is a proven champion, knows how to win games and World Cups, and in fact he is mentally strong. He transformed his spin game and he is into mindfulness and meditation to keep mind calm under pressure and perform. Something the Pakistani lads can learn from.

Misbhah, is well, a safety first loser. His captaincy is overseas conditions was always atrocious and a horrible tactician.

agiain where is his experience on which basis the last coaches were kicked out

 

[Major]

Let's give Hayden and Philander a series before we make a big judgement on them.

I think they'll be alright, maybe not Philander but Hayden can certainly be our batting coach.

If we get good results, I see no reason why he shouldn't be roped in.

i dont really have an issue with them. But the critcism on the last head coach was that he was inexperienced and that we need experience coaches etc. Aqib Javed kept barking this aswell.

Now you bring replacements in, and they are basically foreingers who have no experience.

If we roll back to 2012 the decision to get trent woodhill was critisized by the Pakistani circles aswell that he isn't experienced when he infact was.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Let's give Hayden and Philander a series before we make a big judgement on them.

I think they'll be alright, maybe not Philander but Hayden can certainly be our batting coach.

If we get good results, I see no reason why he shouldn't be roped in.

I don't see Hayden coming to Pakistan and living here. He gets enough lucrative announcing gigs in Australia and India. And he has not expressed interest in coaching the same way that guys who want to be head-coaches do.

Still I'm sure he will impart invaluable knowledge to our batsmen even if its just for this tournament.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I don't see Hayden coming to Pakistan and living here. He gets enough lucrative announcing gigs in Australia and India. And he has not expressed interest in coaching the same way that guys who want to be head-coaches do.

Still I'm sure he will impart invaluable knowledge to our batsmen even if its just for this tournament.

If the results are good, PCB should really get Hayden on the coaching staff.

That being said, let's see what happens with his consultancy gig.

 

[UzmanBeast]

i dont really have an issue with them. But the critcism on the last head coach was that he was inexperienced and that we need experience coaches etc. Aqib Javed kept barking this aswell.

Now you bring replacements in, and they are basically foreingers who have no experience.

If we roll back to 2012 the decision to get trent woodhill was critisized by the Pakistani circles aswell that he isn't experienced when he infact was.

True, but then again, we haven't had a coach who was as successful of a player as Hayden.

I'll wait to make my decision.

 

[muqarrab]

True, but then again, we haven't had a coach who was as successful of a player as Hayden.

I'll wait to make my decision.

Miandad?

 

[kingusama92]

Saqlain has decent experience as a coach. He's been in and out of different coaching roles since 2016. Razzaq also has domestic coaching experience.

In comparison, Misbah was a complete newbie.

Is it ideal? No.

But as short-term replacements, these guys are fine. At best, it's a sideways replacement with Philander and Hayden.

Although my personal opinion is that Waqar might be the worst coach in the world (despite his experience) so anyone is better than him.

 

[Saj]

The key will be who comes in as the new Head Coach and if that individual gets control in taking the team forward, bringing in his own people and re-vamping the mindset and approach.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

agiain where is his experience on which basis the last coaches were kicked out

They were kicked our for their Nakamiat as compared to their experience.
Waqar is the most experienced International coach in the World in terms of tenure. What did he produce?
The less is said about Misbah the coach is better.

 

[ahmadharis1]

If I had to pick an inexperienced option for a coach, 100 times out of 100 I'd go for the inexperienced Australian over the inexperienced Pakistani

 

[BaankeJi]

Experience has to start somewhere. If nobody gives them a job, how will they gain experience?

 

[UzmanBeast]

Miandad?

Recent times.

 

[shamaan]

Experience has to start somewhere. If nobody gives them a job, how will they gain experience?

You can gain experience in coaching younger teams such as u19s

 

[TheSultan]

The difference is this is an interim setup.

And another valid reason for getting rid of Misbah is he was probably the worst coach in history. Even a 12 year old with no coaching experience, who doesn’t even play cricket would be a better option than Misbah.

 

[unemployedgm]

I think we shouldn’t conflate Misbah’s failure with the hiring of Hayden and Philander. Misbah cannot and should not be the standard.

 

[Major]

I think we shouldn’t conflate Misbah’s failure with the hiring of Hayden and Philander. Misbah cannot and should not be the standard.

The argument present by critics has alwyas been experience, yet you dont find the same critique for hayden or philander who so dont have experience