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Indian-administered Kashmir has been under an unprecedented lockdown since Monday, when India revoked a special constitutional status dating back nearly 70 years. The BBC's Geeta Pandey travelled for two days around the region, where a bitter sense of betrayal threatens to fuel fresh conflict.

In the heart of Srinagar city, Khanyar is an area notorious for anti-India protests. To get here during what amounts to a virtual 24-hour curfew, we pass through half a dozen roadblocks.

As we come across yet another barricade, I get out of my car to take some photos. A few men emerge from a laneway to complain about living under what to many feels like a siege. "This is extreme thuggery on the government's part," says an elderly member of the group.

The paramilitary police try to hustle us away but the man wants to be heard. "You lock us up during the day. You lock us up at night," he shouts angrily, wagging his finger. The policeman says there's a curfew in place and that they must go inside immediately. But the diminutive old man stands his ground and challenges him again.

At that point, I'm ordered to leave. But before I can, a young man, carrying his toddler son in his arms, tells me he is ready to pick up a gun to fight India.

"This is my only son. He's too small now, but I will prepare him to pick up a gun too," he says. He's so angry that he doesn't even care that he's saying all this within earshot of the policeman standing near us.

Across the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, I meet men who tell me they no longer want to live life in fear of the security forces. An insurgency has been taking place here for 30 years, but what residents call a "dictatorial order" from far-away Delhi has pushed people who never supported separatism into a corner.

They say it will have serious consequences for both Kashmir and India.

This is very much the dominant sentiment everywhere I go - anger mixed with fear and worry, and a fierce determination to resist the central government's move.

Srinagar - the summer capital of Jammu and Kashmir - has been under a virtual lockdown since Monday morning and the city resembles a ghost town. Shops, schools, colleges and offices are all shut and there is no public transport on the roads.

Thousands of gun-wielding troops patrol deserted streets that are barricaded with coils of razor wire, and residents remain locked up inside their homes.

For nearly a week now, two of the former state chief ministers have been in detention while a third, who is currently an MP from the state, is under house arrest. Hundreds of others, including activists, business leaders and professors, have also been detained and are being held in makeshift prisons.

Rizwan Malik says Kashmir "now feels like a jail, a big open-air jail".

He flew from Delhi to Srinagar less than 48 hours after Home Minister Amit Shah laid out his plans for Kashmir in the parliament on Monday.

He said he had last spoken to his parents on Sunday night, a few hours before the government shut down all communications, including the internet. There was a total information blackout, and because he couldn't reach any of his friends or relatives either, he decided to return home.

"It's the first time in my life that we had no way of communicating with anyone. Never before have I seen anything like this," he told me at his parents' home in Srinagar.

Mr Malik is furious that India has revoked Kashmir's special status - which gave it a significant degree of autonomy and underpinned the region's relationship with the rest of India for decades - without consulting the state's people.

He's not someone who believes in separatism, or has ever gone out and thrown stones at soldiers in protest; he's a 25-year-old aspirational young man studying to be an accountant in Delhi. He says he has long believed in the idea of India because he is sold on the story of its economic success.

"If India wants us to believe that it's a democracy, they are fooling themselves. Kashmir has long had an uneasy relationship with India [but] our special status was the bridge that joined the two. By scrapping it, they have taken away our identity. This is unacceptable to any Kashmiri," he says.

When the siege is lifted and protesters are able to take to the streets, Mr Malik predicts that every Kashmiri will join them: "It was said that in every family one brother is with the separatists and the other is with the [Indian] mainstream. Now the Indian government has united the two."

His sister Rukhsar Rashid, a 20-year-old architecture student at Kashmir University, says when she heard the home minister's speech on TV, her hands began to shake and her mother, sitting next to her, began to cry.

"She was saying death would be better than this," says Ms Rashid. "I keep waking up with panic attacks. My grandparents who live in the city's Batmaloo area say it has turned into Afghanistan."

India had been building up to its big move on the part of Kashmir it controls for some time. The government first announced late last month it was sending more than 35,000 additional troops to the region, an area that's already the most militarised in the world because it is disputed between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan.

Last week, the annual Hindu pilgrimage to the Amarnath cave shrine was called off abruptly as the authorities warned of a terror threat. Then, hotels and houseboats along the picturesque Dal Lake were ordered shut and tourists asked to leave.

Everyone in Kashmir by then knew something was afoot, but of the dozens of people I spoke to, no-one expected Delhi would go this far and unilaterally revoke part of the constitution.

The communications blackout means reliable information is hard to come by, and news of what's going on spreads by word of mouth. Despite the lockdown, we hear daily reports of protesters pelting security forces with stones in Srinagar and elsewhere. We hear a protester drowned when he was chased by troops and jumped in a river. Several people are believed to be injured and in hospital.

But the Indian government has been trying to show that all's well in Kashmir.

On Wednesday, TV channels showed National Security Advisor Ajit Doval lunching with a group of men on the streets of Shopian, a town that's described in the Indian press as "a hotbed of militancy". It was an attempt to tell the world that there's popular support for the government's move even in the most difficult of areas and that peace and calm prevails.

But Kashmiris have dismissed it as a stunt. "If people are happy, then why do they need the curfew? Why is there a communication shutdown?" asks Rizwan Malik.

The same question is repeated in every part of Srinagar - in homes, on the streets, in the sensitive old city areas that the locals call "downtown", and in the southern district of Pulwama, home to the militant who carried out the audacious suicide bombing targeting the security forces in February that brought India and Pakistan close to war.

As I drive through the region, men hanging out in groups by the roadside or in moving vehicles flag down my car to talk to me. They say Kashmiri voices are being suppressed, and they are desperate to be heard. They tell me how angry they are and issue dire warnings of impending bloodshed.

"Kashmir is under siege at the moment. The moment it's lifted, trouble will start," says Zahid Hussain Dar, a lawyer living in Pulwama. "Once the political and separatist leaders are freed from detention or house arrest, there will be calls for protests and people will come out."

Some in the Indian press have reported that since there have been no major protests in Kashmir valley so far, it means people have accepted the government's decision.

But the Kashmir I see is seething. I've been visiting the region regularly for over 20 years to report on the long-running insurgency against Indian rule, but the sort of anger and resentment that is being expressed now is unprecedented.

Most people here say they will settle for nothing less than the government rescinding its order and restoring Kashmir's special status.

But Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government is not known for rolling back decisions and this underpins fears in the valley that the government will come down heavily on those who resist.

On Thursday, Mr Modi defended his controversial decision, saying it was "the beginning of a new era" and promising employment opportunities and development for Kashmir.

Yet not many here are ready to back down. And it does not augur well for either Kashmiris or India.

Muskaan Lateef, a high school student, describes the current situation as "the calm before the storm".

"It's like the oceans are quiet, but the tsunami is about to hit the shore."

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Most of the kashmiris lived through the 90s.

Lost family members, sisters, mothers, and wives were raped.

So I can imagine their fear in this environment.

Unfortunately this is a boiling pot, will get bad in my opinion.
 
A genuine question:

This is pure hypothesis: Lets say Indian army pulls out of Kashmir, and all the violence in Kashmir as a result stops, however Kashmir remains with India, do you think your leadership would be ok with that ?
 
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They should be OK with that. Basically what happens in IAK is Indias business.

Pakistan should stop worry about what happens in IAK.
 
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A genuine question:

This is pure hypothesis: Lets say Indian army pulls out of Kashmir, and all the violence in Kashmir as a result stops, however Kashmir remains with India, do you think your leadership would be ok with that ?

In my opinion yes.. Imran and even army would be ok with your scenario.
Actions of returning abhinandan showed they are serious about peace.

Agra summit plan decades ago had proposed something similar to what you are saying I.e. withdrawing army and granting level of autonomy Pakistani leadership was ok with this. ...within which if Kashmir chose India ... in my opinion I think it would be respected as long as it was kashmiris choice . Especially if it happen a few years after demilitarization and thaw in relations and India Pakistan had more solid ties.

Each counties media could spin the army leaving the valley as their victory like we do with every event and gullible south Asian population could just focus on other stuff.

With current move though abrogating article how many kashmiris will feel that they want to stay with india that nobody truly knows except Kashmiris.
 
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They should be OK with that. Basically what happens in IAK is Indias business.

Pakistan should stop worry about what happens in IAK.

lmaoo that is not okay, that's a very bad deal. The issue is sovereingty for the Kashmiri people. If Kashmir remains in India against their will then that's still an occupation. You seem to forget that violence came after they were denied their right to self-determinism not the other way around.
 
In my opinion yes.. Imran and even army would be ok with your scenario.
Actions of returning abhinandan showed they are serious about peace.

Agra summit plan decades ago had proposed something similar to what you are saying I.e. withdrawing army and granting level of autonomy Pakistani leadership was ok with this. ...within which if Kashmir chose India ... in my opinion I think it would be respected as long as it was kashmiris choice . Especially if it happen a few years after demilitarization and thaw in relations and India Pakistan had more solid ties.

Each counties media could spin the army leaving the valley as their victory like we do with every event and gullible south Asian population could just focus on other stuff.

With current move though abrogating article how many kashmiris will feel that they want to stay with india that nobody truly knows except Kashmiris.

why would that be okay, that's basically giving up territorial claims with nothing in return for Kashmiris and Pakistanis besides a troop withdrawal. Their separatist movement is beyond military occupation, it's about secession.
 
why would that be okay, that's basically giving up territorial claims with nothing in return for Kashmiris and Pakistanis besides a troop withdrawal. Their separatist movement is beyond military occupation, it's about secession.

Yes I agree with you.

In my post as I state that if they as kashmiris were also granted their autonomy which is implied in Romali roti hypothesis.
Because to choose this hypothetical scenario of kashmir staying in India you would have to be granted level of autonomy. But with that autonomy if they chose India ...then pak leadership would respect it.. in my opinion.

I myself agree with you that especially in current climate I don't think they would ever choose to rejoin India if they were given that autonomy and would prefer to run their own affairs.
 
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lmaoo that is not okay, that's a very bad deal. The issue is sovereingty for the Kashmiri people. If Kashmir remains in India against their will then that's still an occupation. You seem to forget that violence came after they were denied their right to self-determinism not the other way around.

IAK has always been Indian since Pakistan existed. With due respect to Kashmiris this is their fight. Besides what Kashmiris really want is full independence from both PAK and India.

Perhaps you saw in the news that 17 people dead in Karachi due to heavy rain. Its time PAK gets it priority right.
 
IAK has always been Indian since Pakistan existed. With due respect to Kashmiris this is their fight. Besides what Kashmiris really want is full independence from both PAK and India.

Perhaps you saw in the news that 17 people dead in Karachi due to heavy rain. Its time PAK gets it priority right.

IAK Is NOT India, neither in the eyes of Kashmiris nor according to UN resolutions you don't understand how democracy and self-determinism works but I don't blame you cause you've been on here since 2005 so it might a new concept for somebody from an older generation.

Lmaoo you're seriously going to bring up something that 2 weeks ago? Natural disasters happen in literally every country in the world so I don't know how it's even relevant to this thread, I don't think you understand how governments work - they don't have only one department focused on one thing, you're acting like governments don't multitask, if anything that shows you've probably never even worked in an organization. Bringing civic issues in a city on a thread about Kashmir is so dumb.
 
IAK has always been Indian since Pakistan existed. With due respect to Kashmiris this is their fight. Besides what Kashmiris really want is full independence from both PAK and India.

Perhaps you saw in the news that 17 people dead in Karachi due to heavy rain. Its time PAK gets it priority right.

Dont know where you got this bakwas.Because of people like you we are failing them.They desire something and only we can help them achieve it.You got to be delusional to think India will stop here.They will push for more unrest in Pak
 
IAK Is NOT India, neither in the eyes of Kashmiris nor according to UN resolutions you don't understand how democracy and self-determinism works but I don't blame you cause you've been on here since 2005 so it might a new concept for somebody from an older generation.

Lmaoo you're seriously going to bring up something that 2 weeks ago? Natural disasters happen in literally every country in the world so I don't know how it's even relevant to this thread, I don't think you understand how governments work - they don't have only one department focused on one thing, you're acting like governments don't multitask, if anything that shows you've probably never even worked in an organization. Bringing civic issues in a city on a thread about Kashmir is so dumb.

LOL@ older generation. Dont know what triggered you so hard to get personal.

FYI Jammu and Kashmir are part of India and Indian state. As already mentioned before this is the fight of the Kashmiri people. They DONT want to be part of India or Pakistan.

My example about Karachi is to highlight the major issues in Pakistan. This is not a natural disaster as the drainage system is very poor in PAK. Just look at all the garbage in Karachi.

Besides what can PAK do about the step India took in IAK?
Please advise as you seem to be quite the expert.
 
Dont know where you got this bakwas.Because of people like you we are failing them.They desire something and only we can help them achieve it.You got to be delusional to think India will stop here.They will push for more unrest in Pak

OK so i am talking bakwas then you please advise how and what PAK can do about something that is going on in IAK?
 
Dont know where you got this bakwas.Because of people like you we are failing them.They desire something and only we can help them achieve it.You got to be delusional to think India will stop here.They will push for more unrest in Pak

His mask is coming off. I reported him before as well months ago for being an Indian troll.
 
A genuine question:

This is pure hypothesis: Lets say Indian army pulls out of Kashmir, and all the violence in Kashmir as a result stops, however Kashmir remains with India, do you think your leadership would be ok with that ?

Yes if the people of kashmir decide they want to stay with India, i am ok with that. Its up to them to decide.

The indigenous population not immigrants from india that is.

My family is from Azad Kashmir, we ok where we are.
 
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People want peace a but few people like some of the posters here don't want anything good to happen to Kashmir.They want to keep the conflict alive so they keep trotting their personal agendas.
 
Don't understand why people think Kashmir is our responsibility. They need to fight their own fight and stand up for themselves. Nothing we or anyone else can do will reverse this decision and we should start looking after our own people and our own economy rather than worry about people from another country.

This move will prove to be good for all parties involved. Pakistan should do the same and finish this matter once and for all.
 
Don't understand why people think Kashmir is our responsibility. They need to fight their own fight and stand up for themselves. Nothing we or anyone else can do will reverse this decision and we should start looking after our own people and our own economy rather than worry about people from another country.

This move will prove to be good for all parties involved. Pakistan should do the same and finish this matter once and for all.

This.
But its hard too understand for some.
 
Don't understand why people think Kashmir is our responsibility. They need to fight their own fight and stand up for themselves. Nothing we or anyone else can do will reverse this decision and we should start looking after our own people and our own economy rather than worry about people from another country.

This move will prove to be good for all parties involved. Pakistan should do the same and finish this matter once and for all.

Good Sensible Post.
 
Don't understand why people think Kashmir is our responsibility. They need to fight their own fight and stand up for themselves. Nothing we or anyone else can do will reverse this decision and we should start looking after our own people and our own economy rather than worry about people from another country.

This move will prove to be good for all parties involved. Pakistan should do the same and finish this matter once and for all.

They don't want peace in Kashmir , it applies to few people on both sides (Indian and Pakistan).They want conflict becuase it fuels their personal agendas. Some Families in Indian side have made Kashmir their personal property and the moment anybody tries to take anything away they invoke 370.
 
This.
But its hard too understand for some.

Because Pakistani's educated in local schools or schools like Beaconhouse, City etc have been fed the same propaganda and have become brainwashed. Matters like these are beyond their comprehension or mental capabilities to understand in complete depth. Their opinions are clouded by the propaganda fed to them since they were little kids.
 
Pakistan Army also does not want this conflict to end, Kasmir has been their major bread and butter.
 
A genuine question:

This is pure hypothesis: Lets say Indian army pulls out of Kashmir, and all the violence in Kashmir as a result stops, however Kashmir remains with India, do you think your leadership would be ok with that ?

They would have no choice.

However I doubt violence will stop given the leadership have been kidnapped.
 
Don't understand why people think Kashmir is our responsibility. They need to fight their own fight and stand up for themselves. Nothing we or anyone else can do will reverse this decision and we should start looking after our own people and our own economy rather than worry about people from another country.

This move will prove to be good for all parties involved. Pakistan should do the same and finish this matter once and for all.

i used to agree with you, and perhaps do to some extent but i am conflicted if i think it about it cynically and strategically.

Pakistan is surrounded (barring china) by hostile ish countries, and in occupied kashmir you have (even if its a minority) people whove died for carrying Pakistan flags, or holding pro pakistan views.

secondly i dont fully believe India will stop at simply degrading kashmir to a union territory. the freedom movement will only strengthen as the mainstream occupied kashmiri muslim political movement is now dead. pakistan is full of kashmiris who will continue to support them regardless of what the world says and India will use that as an excuse to further antagonise Pakistan in AK and GB.

There isnt much pak can do, but pak definitely have a stake in the outcome, especially given the strategic importance of severing Pakistan from china for India. if you look at their fantasy maps, pak and china don't even share a border.
 
i used to agree with you, and perhaps do to some extent but i am conflicted if i think it about it cynically and strategically.

Pakistan is surrounded (barring china) by hostile ish countries, and in occupied kashmir you have (even if its a minority) people whove died for carrying Pakistan flags, or holding pro pakistan views.

secondly i dont fully believe India will stop at simply degrading kashmir to a union territory. the freedom movement will only strengthen as the mainstream occupied kashmiri muslim political movement is now dead. pakistan is full of kashmiris who will continue to support them regardless of what the world says and India will use that as an excuse to further antagonise Pakistan in AK and GB.

There isnt much pak can do, but pak definitely have a stake in the outcome, especially given the strategic importance of severing Pakistan from china for India. if you look at their fantasy maps, pak and china don't even share a border.

Well thats fantasy from India if they really believe they can harm Pak and China.

In the current case PAK cant do much.
 
Kashmiris observe Eid amid lockdown

People in Indian-administered Kashmir observed the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha amid a communications blackout and tight security on Monday.

BBC reporters in the region say many offered prayers at local mosques as the main mosque in the capital, Srinagar, was out of bounds.

Some protests were reported from the Soura area of the city but the festival was largely peaceful, officials said.

The state has been under lockdown since India revoked its special status.

Article 370 as the law is known, gave the state considerable autonomy - its own constitution, a separate flag and freedom to make laws. Foreign affairs, defence and communications remained the preserve of the central government.

Its revocation has caused considerable anger in the region.

India deployed tens of thousands of troops to Muslim-majority Kashmir ahead of last week's announcement that it was to be revoked.

Since that controversial announcement, it has detained hundreds of people including politicians, activists and academics in makeshift centres in an effort to quell protests.

However violence has broken out. There have been some incidents of protesters hurling stones at security forces and Friday saw hundreds clash with troops in Soura after weekly midday prayers.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49320070?ocid=socialflow_twitter
 
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