Inter-faith wedding in Southall, UK, crashed by extremists

[Yossarian]

These disruptions of inter-faith marriage continue to go under the radar, presumably because it would dilute the unofficial campaign against Muslims. Really I don't see why there needs to be any differentiation, if you want integration, then it should apply across the board, Sikhs have been shown leniency for too long under the mistaken idea that carrying ceremonial daggers is somehow a peaceful symbol.

But, but, but ..... the Sikhs are a separate race and not just a religion, at least thats what UK anti-discrimination laws say so. Meaning that anyone who converts to/from Sikhism undergoes a miracle of nature and changes their race under UK law.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The difference is that Sikhs don't go around killing people with their kirpans in the UK whereas we have seen muslims beheading a soldier with a knife. A truly barbaric event.

Do you think the moderate sikhs who are getting their marriage ceremonies disrupted by these hoodlum thugs are going to think "oh...this is fine, at least they are not attacking us like the Islamic terrorist did to that soldier. Result!"

Classic case of what-about-ism. Learn to separate issues my over-sensitive friend, one case can be totally unrelated to the other.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't know if Sikhism allows it's women to marry non-Sikh men but Islam does not. Going in to this is another debate that I'd rather not open. However, since Sikhism has rural and village background it's believers are also very sensitive in their women marrying non-Sikh men, especially Muslim ones. Hinduism on the other hand seems happy in letting their women marry non-Hindu men. Just look at all the Hindu-Muslim Bollywood marriages.

What goes on in Bollywood or Algeria isn't really the issue for us here, fact is inter-faith marriages are very much allowed in the UK, anyone who obstructs them needs to be prosecuted. High time this deplorable behaviour by these extremist sikh activists were brought to book.

 

[MrBrownstone]

What goes on in Bollywood or Algeria isn't really the issue for us here, fact is inter-faith marriages are very much allowed in the UK, anyone who obstructs them needs to be prosecuted. High time this deplorable behaviour by these extremist sikh activists were brought to book.

Interfaith marriages are fine. When mosques allow a Muslim to marry a Hindu or Buddhist without conversion then you can preach about other faiths. In fact why stop there, gay marriage is also legal in the U.K. so why not allow those in mosques as well?

You make no sense as usual.

 

[MrBrownstone]

Do you think the moderate sikhs who are getting their marriage ceremonies disrupted by these hoodlum thugs are going to think "oh...this is fine, at least they are not attacking us like the Islamic terrorist did to that soldier. Result!"

Classic case of what-about-ism. Learn to separate issues my over-sensitive friend, one case can be totally unrelated to the other.

It is you who is being over sensitive with your thoughts of campaigns against Islam in the media when there are usually numerous justified reasons for negative stories.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is you who is being over sensitive with your thoughts of campaigns against Islam in the media when there are usually numerous justified reasons for negative stories.

It's hardly being over sensitive to state what is patently obvious. Why do you think the term Islamophobia has come about? In any case, you are sort of missing the wood for the trees by focusing on that when it has little to do with this topic. I can only assume you are keen to divert from the actual topic of the thread which is sikhs disrupting inter-faith marriages in England using intimidation and threats. Do you actually have any views on that because so far you don't seem to have given any.

 

[MrBrownstone]

It's hardly being over sensitive to state what is patently obvious. Why do you think the term Islamophobia has come about? In any case, you are sort of missing the wood for the trees by focusing on that when it has little to do with this topic. I can only assume you are keen to divert from the actual topic of the thread which is sikhs disrupting inter-faith marriages in England using intimidation and threats. Do you actually have any views on that because so far you don't seem to have given any.

It's funny that you didn't respond to my other post about whether interfaith marriages are allowed in mosques and whether you endorse them along with gay marriages in mosques.

Double standards methinks.

As for 'Islamophobia' you can add phobia to any racial or religious group and there you have it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's funny that you didn't respond to my other post about whether interfaith marriages are allowed in mosques and whether you endorse them along with gay marriages in mosques.

Double standards methinks.

As for 'Islamophobia' you can add phobia to any racial or religious group and there you have it.

Why do you keep bringing mosques into this thread? Have you heard of any disturbances or intimidation of inter-faith marriages in mosques? Or perhaps you'd like to discuss riots in synagogues or punch ups at Buddhist temples during inter-faith ceremonies?

Or maybe you'd even like to address the story of the thread in question? Wouldn't that be something? Does this story make you feel discomfort I wonder that you keep resorting to "what about...?" tactics? That is probably worth a whole topic in itself.

 

[MrBrownstone]

I have already stated what I think and what the Akal Takht (highest body of Sikh affairs) states that only Sikhs should be getting married in a gurdwara and if a Sikh wants to marry a non Sikh then they are perfectly free to do so but should do it somewhere else.

The protests should be aimed more towards the Gurdwaras themselves as they are going against what the Akal Takht have stated.

Understand now?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have already stated what I think and what the Akal Takht (highest body of Sikh affairs) states that only Sikhs should be getting married in a gurdwara and if a Sikh wants to marry a non Sikh then they are perfectly free to do so but should do it somewhere else.

The protests should be aimed more towards the Gurdwaras themselves as they are going against what the Akal Takht have stated.

Understand now?

Where did you state any of that? I can't see any such statement by you in this thread.

 

[MrBrownstone]

Where did you state any of that? I can't see any such statement by you in this thread.

I have clearly stated that inter faith marriages are fine by me and from my questioning of whether interfaith marriages are ok in mosques or any other religious place you should have inferred that I don't believe in interfaith marriage taking place in a gurdwara but since you appear to be slow on the uptake I thought I'd clarify even more.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have clearly stated that inter faith marriages are fine by me and from my questioning of whether interfaith marriages are ok in mosques or any other religious place you should have inferred that I don't believe in interfaith marriage taking place in a gurdwara but since you appear to be slow on the uptake I thought I'd clarify even more.

So you didn't state any of that in fact and you expected me to extrapolate that from some other statement which had nothing in connection at all. Thanks, I have no further wish to debate with you, so please do not respond further to any more of my posts. If you wish to address this topic further by all means do so without reference to me thanks.

 

[PakLFC]

What goes on in Bollywood or Algeria isn't really the issue for us here, fact is inter-faith marriages are very much allowed in the UK, anyone who obstructs them needs to be prosecuted. High time this deplorable behaviour by these extremist sikh activists were brought to book.

To cut it down every religious community has hundred's of million's of followers. I have always looked upon it from a family perspective. If your son marries outside his religion the family can't complain if the daughter does the same. As you say the law of that particular country comes first. I have to again emphasise that Sikh's are most hypocritical in this matter especially when it comes to matrimonial relations with Muslim's.

 

[MrBrownstone]

To cut it down every religious community has hundred's of million's of followers. I have always looked upon it from a family perspective. If your son marries outside his religion the family can't complain if the daughter does the same. As you say the law of that particular country comes first. I have to again emphasise that Sikh's are most hypocritical in this matter especially when it comes to matrimonial relations with Muslim's.

Getting married to a Muslim is considered one of the biggest taboos for Sikhs. It usually results in being disowned. That's just the way it is.

Probably similar for Hindus as well.

Muslims may only accept if the partner 'reverts' but Sikhs and Hindus don't typically demand their spouse changes their religion upon marrying.

 

[PakLFC]

Getting married to a Muslim is considered one of the biggest taboos for Sikhs. It usually results in being disowned. That's just the way it is.

Probably similar for Hindus as well.

Muslims may only accept if the partner 'reverts' but Sikhs and Hindus don't typically demand their spouse changes their religion upon marrying.

No, Hindu's are not like that. Celebrities aside there are many Hindu-Muslim marriages in India where both couples continue to follow their own faith. Sikh's feel hard done by due to historical reasons like their Guru's being mistreated by the Muslim Moghul's then they lost most of Punjab at independence that is their spiritual home. You're right, in Islam a Muslim lady may only marry if the man reverts however a believing man can marry a Christian or Jewish lady. Of course, there is a big difference as to what Islam allows and what Muslim's do.

 

[Bilal7]

Let's focus on the topic at hand. What does Islam have to do with any of this?

 

[MrBrownstone]

No, Hindu's are not like that. Celebrities aside there are many Hindu-Muslim marriages in India where both couples continue to follow their own faith. Sikh's feel hard done by due to historical reasons like their Guru's being mistreated by the Muslim Moghul's then they lost most of Punjab at independence that is their spiritual home. You're right, in Islam a Muslim lady may only marry if the man reverts however a believing man can marry a Christian or Jewish lady. Of course, there is a big difference as to what Islam allows and what Muslim's do.

That is double standards, allowing the men to marry out but not the women, another way of controlling women.

The vast majority of Hindus would be very upset if their child married a Muslim, haven't you seen all of the tensions between the two communities in places like Uttar Pradesh and Mumbai?

Often in the case of Hindu Muslim weddings the couple have to elope which again shows they are not accepted.

 

[Dman]

That is double standards, allowing the men to marry out but not the women, another way of controlling women.

The vast majority of Hindus would be very upset if their child married a Muslim, haven't you seen all of the tensions between the two communities in places like Uttar Pradesh and Mumbai?

Often in the case of Hindu Muslim weddings the couple have to elope which again shows they are not accepted.

Agree.

Marriage with Muslims and Dalits ( Bhangis) will be perceived as lowering your standing in the society.

Marriage with Sikhs or Jains are so very easily accepted as it's not even treated as marrying outside your own community but within your own.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Agree.

Marriage with Muslims and Dalits ( Bhangis) will be perceived as lowering your standing in the society.

Marriage with Sikhs or Jains are so very easily accepted as it's not even treated as marrying outside your own community but within your own.

Aren't Dalits mostly Christian? Hindus don't seem to have any problem marrying Christians outside of India, in fact if I'm not mistaken, Preity Zinta has married a New Zealand cricketer. I have mentioned before that a couple of friends have married high caste Hindu girls, but to be fair their parents did disown them. Even the lad's Pakistani parents did initially, then they came round. There seems to be some really confused people out there.

 

[MrBrownstone]

Aren't Dalits mostly Christian? Hindus don't seem to have any problem marrying Christians outside of India, in fact if I'm not mistaken, Preity Zinta has married a New Zealand cricketer. I have mentioned before that a couple of friends have married high caste Hindu girls, but to be fair their parents did disown them. Even the lad's Pakistani parents did initially, then they came round. There seems to be some really confused people out there.

It seems like you're confused as usual, first of all most Dalits are not Christian otherwise the Christian population of India would be a lot higher than 2%, secondly a Dalit Christian has little in common with a White Christian from New Zealand.

Maybe you believe in the Ummah and think that everyone who practices a particular religion is perceived as being equal but we all know that is never true.

 

[TSA321]

Aren't Dalits mostly Christian?.

Only in Pakistani Punjab

 

[Bilal7]

Agree.

Marriage with Muslims and Dalits ( Bhangis) will be perceived as lowering your standing in the society.

Marriage with Sikhs or Jains are so very easily accepted as it's not even treated as marrying outside your own community but within your own.

Surprising when you consider that Muslims have ruled India and the rest of the subcontinent for centuries and quite well, I may add. But marrying a minority is often seen as lowering your standard and Hindus do control all of India now.

 

[PakLFC]

That is double standards, allowing the men to marry out but not the women, another way of controlling women.

The vast majority of Hindus would be very upset if their child married a Muslim, haven't you seen all of the tensions between the two communities in places like Uttar Pradesh and Mumbai?

Often in the case of Hindu Muslim weddings the couple have to elope which again shows they are not accepted.

From an Islamic perspective it is not double standards when you understand that Muslim men may not marry ladies from Vedic religions either. Those who do go against the teaching's of Islam. Well of course Hindu's would be upset but what I am saying is that they are more accepting off it then Sikh's are. It depends on what class the family comes from. Personally, I have always been against Muslim people marrying Hindu's Sikh's and Buddhists. If followers of Vedic religions marry in other communities then it doesn't bother me at all.

 

[MrBrownstone]

Surprising when you consider that Muslims have ruled India and the rest of the subcontinent for centuries and quite well, I may add. But marrying a minority is often seen as lowering your standard and Hindus do control all of India now.

Rome once ruled almost all of Europe and now it is not even the best city in Italy, times change.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It seems like you're confused as usual, first of all most Dalits are not Christian otherwise the Christian population of India would be a lot higher than 2%, secondly a Dalit Christian has little in common with a White Christian from New Zealand.

Maybe you believe in the Ummah and think that everyone who practices a particular religion is perceived as being equal but we all know that is never true.

No I was not thinking of the Ummah, I live in Britain where interfaith marriages are very common and it has nothing to do with Islam par se so you are probably jumping to hasty conclusions based on your own preconceptions.

So would it be fair to say that Hindus don't marry outside their faith in India according to social status rather than religion? That would make sense, as certainly even high ranking Hindus have no problem marrying outside the faith in the UK, presumably because for us most Indians (from India) would rank as lower status due to lifestyle and wealth.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Balraj Singh Dhesi, the first Asian mayor of Leamington, said the protests were a British phenomenon. “Interfaith marriages have been taking place since the birth of Sikhism thousands of years ago. These prejudices, which are growing and are very concerning, will cause damage to British society. They are indigenous to this country but yet have an obvious disregard for integration.”

Well put. This intolerance is indigenous to Britain. Nothing to do with Sikhism.

 

[lannister]

presumably because for us most Indians (from India) would rank as lower status due to lifestyle and wealth.

Did not know you were an Indian.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Surprising when you consider that Muslims have ruled India and the rest of the subcontinent for centuries and quite well, I may add. But marrying a minority is often seen as lowering your standard and Hindus do control all of India now.

He was probably being tongue in cheek

But still a bit of a outlandish statement


I remember watching the Akbar film and its all about Akbar marrying a Rajput princess

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Did not know you were an Indian.

You signed up to this forum in April and have decided to bump this old thread in order to make your first PP post? Very strange.