IPL franchise owners openly being allowed to discriminate in non-Indian leagues?

[cricketjoshila]

When did I say a person can say “hey I have right to be hired”? Lol.

Yes the person at any company in a society governed by rules deserves to be judged on merit and without discrimination. Here the rumoured statement by a franchise owner is clear discrimination against a group of players in a league which is open for overseas employees.

Their personal or their own country’s personal stance or reason don't take priority over CSA and South Africa’s own rules, laws based upon which the organizations and private entities operate in SA. Their rules and regulations are highly stringent with regards to anti-discrimination policies and equal treatment. Private league operating in SA, whoever it is owned by is no different.

Again ECB will have very stringent laws regarding discrimination based upon race, religion, nationality etc. unless there is something in the foreign policy upon which the local laws have exemptions.

1. If UK companies can decide to boycott Russians why can't Indians decide to boycott pakistanis?

2. How will you prove discrimination?

3. Their rules and their own countries rules do matter. A number of western companies wont deal with Russians because of their country's rules. All this stringent rules etc don't mean zilch. India and Pakistan have hostile relations and hence Indians dont invest in pakistanis. Thats the simple point.

4. In case SA govt gets involved to force the companys, will Indian government sit back and watch? Why will SA govt risk a full blown diplomatic incident?

There is no rule that can force Indians to hire pakistanis. There is none.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So why doesn’t the Indian government get involved and stop the ICC forcing India to play Pakistan in its events? Who are you throwing these threats at?

What has ICC got to do here?

There are no threats. Indians own teams across different leagues and are not hiring pakistanis. This is the reality.

The only threat i see is from the likes of you regarding some public out cry.

 

[Rana]

1. If UK companies can decide to boycott Russians why can't Indians decide to boycott pakistanis?

2. How will you prove discrimination?

3. Their rules and their own countries rules do matter. A number of western companies wont deal with Russians because of their country's rules. All this stringent rules etc don't mean zilch. India and Pakistan have hostile relations and hence Indians dont invest in pakistanis. Thats the simple point.

4. In case SA govt gets involved to force the companys, will Indian government sit back and watch? Why will SA govt risk a full blown diplomatic incident?

There is no rule that can force Indians to hire pakistanis. There is none.

Why don’t you cite examples of the UK government extending their boycott of Russian companies in its dealings abroad as well?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes this is how it should go but, considering how the cricketing world operates I wont be surprised if they come up with something to bury it atleast for sometime.

Their official however has given reason of schedule as they had to clarify it because a SA league irrespective of where the owners are from cant openly discriminate.

Can i see the statement of the official?

Anyways as you see, no one can force Indians to hire pakistanis.

 

[Rana]

What has ICC got to do here?

There are no threats. Indians own teams across different leagues and are not hiring pakistanis. This is the reality.

The only threat i see is from the likes of you regarding some public out cry.

The likes of me? So I am ok to complain about discrimination? Tbh I would do the same if Pakistani companies discriminate like this against Hindus or Indians. That’s what human beings do

 

[Titan24]

How will you prove discrimination?.

Well a franchise owner has openly given a statement, hasn’t he? That they won’t draft in Pak players due to whatever reasons. Its surely not easy to prove discrimination but, when a person involved himself say then its not that difficult.

 

[Titan24]

Can i see the statement of the official?

Anyways as you see, no one can force Indians to hire pakistanis.

Mentioned by cricinfo “But a league official, while clarifying that the league doesn't get involved in selections, said Pakistan's schedule constraints, where they have home series and then the PSL this year, have played a part in their non-availability”

He mentioned they were unavailable. Nothing to see or force from this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why don’t you cite examples of the UK government extending their boycott of Russian companies in its dealings abroad as well?

No UK bank handles transfers to Russia even if its branch is located in another country.

 

[Titan24]

1. If UK companies can decide to boycott Russians why can't Indians decide to boycott pakistanis?

2. How will you prove discrimination?

3. Their rules and their own countries rules do matter. A number of western companies wont deal with Russians because of their country's rules. All this stringent rules etc don't mean zilch. India and Pakistan have hostile relations and hence Indians dont invest in pakistanis. Thats the simple point.

4. In case SA govt gets involved to force the companys, will Indian government sit back and watch? Why will SA govt risk a full blown diplomatic incident?

There is no rule that can force Indians to hire pakistanis. There is none.

UK companies operating in other country don’t have any Russian origin employee and are not hiring them? I know the stance of UK but, are you sure that all Russian employees have been sacked by UK companies from around the globe and not hiring anyone in any country?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well a franchise owner has openly given a statement, hasn’t he? That they won’t draft in Pak players due to whatever reasons. Its surely not easy to prove discrimination but, when a person involved himself say then its not that difficult.

The official is un named. Its only on media reports.

That report also says, that the Glazers owned team approached two pakistanis.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Mentioned by cricinfo “But a league official, while clarifying that the league doesn't get involved in selections, said Pakistan's schedule constraints, where they have home series and then the PSL this year, have played a part in their non-availability”

He mentioned they were unavailable. Nothing to see or force from this.

The league official said that they don't get involved in selections.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The likes of me? So I am ok to complain about discrimination? Tbh I would do the same if Pakistani companies discriminate like this against Hindus or Indians. That’s what human beings do

If pakistani companies could they would. Unfortunately they are not that big a deal.

India still allows telecast of PSL in India, Pakistan has banned telecast of IPL.

 

[Rana]

If pakistani companies could they would. Unfortunately they are not that big a deal.

India still allows telecast of PSL in India, Pakistan has banned telecast of IPL.

And it’s wrong. Nothing to gain from pointless boycotts.

 

[Major]

If you want Indians to put in their money then they will do that at their terms, England South Africa. UAE Australia doesn't matter.

I own a team, i get to decide who i play.

If you want pakistanis, ask a Pakistani to buy a team.

All you guys do is cry victim.

Indians cry victim in the west all the time.

A company can do the same with a pregnant lady or an Indian by not deciding to hire them. This logic of I own a company and decide who to hire doesnt work in the real world.

IPL discriminates against Pakistanis and for some reason you have a hard time accepting that

 

[Rana]

Indians cry victim in the west all the time.

A company can do the same with a pregnant lady or an Indian by not deciding to hire them. This logic of I own a company and decide who to hire doesnt work in the real world.

IPL discriminates against Pakistanis and for some reason you have a hard time accepting that

If they openly want to discriminate/boycott Pakistanis and Chinese people due to war in their own country, so be it. Can’t force them to hire people from enemy nations and you can’t expect others to stand up for you.

However, they should know that this discrimination has no place in lands that have nothing to do with the war of two other nations. This should be clear cut for all business/franchises otherwise there was no reason to keep South Africa out of international cricket for 2 decades due to their internal race issues

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians cry victim in the west all the time.

A company can do the same with a pregnant lady or an Indian by not deciding to hire them. This logic of I own a company and decide who to hire doesnt work in the real world.

IPL discriminates against Pakistanis and for some reason you have a hard time accepting that

If a Pakistani company doesn't hire an Indian, its their wish and policy. Nothing wrong.

IPL does what western countries do to Russians. Do pakistani companies deal with Israel?

 

[Rana]

If a Pakistani company doesn't hire an Indian, its their wish and policy. Nothing wrong.

IPL does what western countries do to Russians.

IPL has been overdoing it. And the West does not agree with the banning of Russian sports personal. They are athletes, not soldiers or politicians

 

[Major]

If a Pakistani company doesn't hire an Indian, its their wish and policy. Nothing wrong.

IPL does what western countries do to Russians. Do pakistani companies deal with Israel?

hence discrimination.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If they openly want to discriminate/boycott Pakistanis and Chinese people due to war in their own country, so be it. Can’t force them to hire people from enemy nations and you can’t expect others to stand up for you.

However, they should know that this discrimination has no place in lands that have nothing to do with the war of two other nations. This should be clear cut for all business/franchises otherwise there was no reason to keep South Africa out of international cricket for 2 decades due to their internal race issues

You should know that millions of dollars dont come cheap. Indian companies wont hire pakistani players. Just like Standard Chartered bank in India wont deal with any transaction to Russia or with Russian companies. Heck they wont even issue forex to people travelling to russia.

All this discrimination stuff means nothing when countries are at war.

 

[cricketjoshila]

IPL has been overdoing it. And the West does not agree with the banning of Russian sports personal. They are athletes, not soldiers or politicians

Lolfer. Russia got banned from the fifa world cup.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

These guys who have no problem with discrimination against Pakistanis openly should also be ok if Indians living abroad receive the same treatment from the west. Don't cry or protest then.

 

[Major]

btw just so you guys know, back in 2008, IPL even discriminated against Black cheerleaders. But than again, [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] will say its their league and they can do whatever they want.

 

[IMMY69]

UK companies operating in other country don’t have any Russian origin employee and are not hiring them? I know the stance of UK but, are you sure that all Russian employees have been sacked by UK companies from around the globe and not hiring anyone in any country?

This is the crux and I'd like to see if CJ understands this.

Here in England both Russians and Iranians retain their jobs irrespective of what their state is doing.

 

[Rajdeep]

This is the crux and I'd like to see if CJ understands this.

Here in England both Russians and Iranians retain their jobs irrespective of what their state is doing.

Isnt RT banned in UK?

 

[NishanKonar]

Ultimately there is nothing that Pakistan can do unless the South African or UAE govt do anything about it. I doubt these govt will do anything

In UK this wud have been a major issue - probably led to anti discrimination investigation by the courts and the clubs wud have been in major soup - just like Yorkshire county. It wud be hard for clubs to justify not selecting Pakistani cricketers and they wud get into royal mess - in addition to facing a lot of negative media campaign

But I doubt South African govt or UAE authorities will bother about all this - they are more interested in Indian money and wont ruffle feathers with Indian businessmen

 

[Rana]

Ultimately there is nothing that Pakistan can do unless the South African or UAE govt do anything about it. I doubt these govt will do anything

In UK this wud have been a major issue - probably led to anti discrimination investigation by the courts and the clubs wud have been in major soup - just like Yorkshire county. It wud be hard for clubs to justify not selecting Pakistani cricketers and they wud get into royal mess - in addition to facing a lot of negative media campaign

But I doubt South African govt or UAE authorities will bother about all this - they are more interested in Indian money and wont ruffle feathers with Indian businessmen

Agreed on the UK part. There is no chance this would fly in the UK

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It is bit of a double edge sword. How can anyone prove it is discrimination? Owners can simply turn around and say we have not picked Pakistani players due to cricketing reason....their skillset dont fall into the category of cricket we are trying to adopt and hence we have not bought them. Though we know it is not true but there is no way to prove otherwise.

Govt of those countries can't intervene and force franchise owners to buy Pak players for the sake of diversity. If they do, owners would pull out from the league and the host country will lose money. Why would they be willing to lose money for Pakistan?

MI emirate team for example is a subsidiary of Mumbai Indians. If they hire any Pak players, the brand value of MI will take a major hit in India immidiately with sponsors pulling out, people boycotting watching MI games etc. So IPL owners simply cant take the risk. Now if UAE govt force MI emirates to buy Pak players, they would pull off from doing business and UAE league will lose money. UAE govt will never do that to appease Pakistan. There is no benefit in it for them.

There is no solution for this problem and thats why I said its a double edge sword.

This . Even if it is discrimination by the franchise owners, you can't really prove that its the reason why Pakistani players are not picked.

 

[NishanKonar]

This . Even if it is discrimination by the franchise owners, you can't really prove that its the reason why Pakistani players are not picked.

In UK if a top cricket team is barred from a league - there wud be massive media backlash in UK. Whether courts can prove there is discrimination is different issue. The media wud create a big storm. The clubs wud be in the spotlight for all wrong reasons. Sponsors and advertisers wud reconsider taking part in it. There wud boycott calls of the league and sponsors associated with it None of the clubs and their owners want to get into such a mess.

Its a bit like Basil D Oliviera situation. When he was initially not selected for the SOuth Africa tour the ECB tried to justify it on cricketing reasons. But once media backlash started , the ECB had to back down and select D'Olivieria for the tour. Which led to the cancellation of the tour and the start of boycott of South Africa

In UAE and South Africa - all this wont happen. So the clubs wud get away with all this

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is the crux and I'd like to see if CJ understands this.

Here in England both Russians and Iranians retain their jobs irrespective of what their state is doing.

Is Fifa allowing Russians to play the WC?

Is a UK bank with branch in India handling any transfers to Russia?

Can you take a Visa or MasterCard card issued to you in Uk and use it on any Russian platform or merchant?

Why is Russia out of the SWIFT banking system?

 

[cricketjoshila]

In UK if a top cricket team is barred from a league - there wud be massive media backlash in UK. Whether courts can prove there is discrimination is different issue. The media wud create a big storm. The clubs wud be in the spotlight for all wrong reasons. Sponsors and advertisers wud reconsider taking part in it. There wud boycott calls of the league and sponsors associated with it None of the clubs and their owners want to get into such a mess.

Its a bit like Basil D Oliviera situation. When he was initially not selected for the SOuth Africa tour the ECB tried to justify it on cricketing reasons. But once media backlash started , the ECB had to back down and select D'Olivieria for the tour. Which led to the cancellation of the tour and the start of boycott of South Africa

In UAE and South Africa - all this wont happen. So the clubs wud get away with all this

This is no Basil d Oliviera situation.

It is more like West vs Russia situation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Agreed on the UK part. There is no chance this would fly in the UK

Let UK sell the teams. We will then see what flies. No?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why don’t you cite examples of the UK government extending their boycott of Russian companies in its dealings abroad as well?

Standard Chartered Bank wo t handle any transfers to Russia from its branches in India.

 

[Rana]

Let UK sell the teams. We will then see what flies. No?

I don’t think this current UAE/SA attempt will fly

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don’t think this current UAE/SA attempt will fly

Its already flying. Do you see any pakistani players there?

Pakistanis may play for the Glazers owned team in uae. Thats it.

 

[Darkrai]

Good.

That's what you get for brown-nosing them all the time.

 

[Bewal Express]

Reading all the news, updates coming through in regards to IPL owners buying teams in South African franchise league and BBL. Apparently some have openly declared zero intention to hire Pakistani cricketers due to the current ban on them in IPL.

I don’t understand how the governments of the nations allowing these IPL franchise owners to openly discriminate like this in their countries? South Africa openly prides its quota system as a response to historical racial discrimination, whilst Australia is on its own mission to remove perceptions of not being accepting to diversity.

If this really is the case, have these questions been posed to the government officials of these nations or are they knowingly putting a blind eye over this issue? Eventually, these owners will buy 90% franchises in all foreign cricket leagues and that means Pakistani players will just be ousted all together from world cricket?

Why does it matter. Its their money, they can do what they want. I am not sure why you and others plead for Ind companies to pick our players.

 

[leonidas_alexandar]

Whether it is cricket, personal life, history of a country, community - self-reliance is the ultimate strength.

PCB needs to create a situation where their players, their board become indispensable in running the affairs of world cricket.

While the Pakistan cricket team is still an elite team - PCB itself unfortunately has become an also-ran in the larger cricketing community especially financially.

Just do not look at quick-fix solutions. Converting PCB into a financial behemoth needs to be the number one priority and this will take time, perhaps decades and it requires honest, sincere people at the helm of the affairs at PCB.

 

[Rana]

Why does it matter. Its their money, they can do what they want. I am not sure why you and others plead for Ind companies to pick our players.

They can’t really openly discriminate

That’s the point

 

[Bewal Express]

They can’t really openly discriminate

That’s the point

It's their money and it's up to them what they do. I may have got this wrong but I am sure we had a discussion before about you wanting PK players in the IPL. Why does it matter to you what the Inds do. They want to bury us and you guys are worried about playing for their teams

 

[akbarm96]

I guess we forgot that this rumor was by only 1 Indian franchise that is not open to Pakistani players and that has got to be the team that is actually owned by Mumbai Indians, they have never bought a Pakistani player even during when Pakistani players could play IPL..

Shahrukh Khan's team was and always have been open to Pakistani players though, even after the so called ban...

 

[Saj]

Reading all the news, updates coming through in regards to IPL owners buying teams in South African franchise league and BBL. Apparently some have openly declared zero intention to hire Pakistani cricketers due to the current ban on them in IPL.

I don’t understand how the governments of the nations allowing these IPL franchise owners to openly discriminate like this in their countries? South Africa openly prides its quota system as a response to historical racial discrimination, whilst Australia is on its own mission to remove perceptions of not being accepting to diversity.

If this really is the case, have these questions been posed to the government officials of these nations or are they knowingly putting a blind eye over this issue? Eventually, these owners will buy 90% franchises in all foreign cricket leagues and that means Pakistani players will just be ousted all together from world cricket?

All about the money.

Boards etc will happily take the cash, they don't care who is and who isn't allowed to play.

 

[Rana]

All about the money.

Boards etc will happily take the cash, they don't care who is and who isn't allowed to play.

Would the ECB allow this?

 

[Saj]

Would the ECB allow this?

I'm sure if the money was right.

As we saw with the Stanford controversy.

 

[Punjab Kings]

IPL 2023 – IPL Owners in Foreign Leagues:

The world’s richest cricket board BCCI is getting concerned about the growing interest of IPL team owners in the foreign leagues. Be it the Mumbai Indians, Rajasthan Royals, Kolkata Knight Riders, Chennai Super Kings, Lucknow Super Giants or others – all are on buying spree in the foreign leagues. One of the BCCI top official reluctantly admitted to InsideSport that they are ‘very concerned‘ on the recent development.


In order to protect their interest, BCCI is unlikely to change the status of ban on Indian players playing in these foreign leagues.

“BCCI has created a brand IPL and the entire sporting world is in awe of it. We have to protect our brand. We are very concerned when the name of IPL owners is being associated with every foreign league.

 

[GreenBee]

More of a business decision than discrimination of hate I would say. Same teams would gladly pick up a few Pakistani players if India-Pak relations were friendly.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

I don't think there is an iota of doubt that this is a deliberate decision. For franchises though it is a business decision.

The current PM has managed to make the situation in India so bad that any association with Pakistan or it's elements is deemed as anti-national and leads to boycott. Heck even Bollywood is suffering backlash of bhakts ire.

It's sad that CSA or ECB isn't stepping in though. They after all have control on how their leagues are run but guess the money being offered by IPL owners is too hard to pass on.

Unfortunate for Pak players because they are some of the exciting T20 players in the world.

 

[MenInG]

Whereas we allow a lot of leeway with anti-Pakistan sentiment in threads but a few posters are taking the mick here.

Suggest watch how you speak about Pakistan in these threads as its not appreciated at all.

Also for Pakistan supporters, leave the BJP etc sentiment for TimePass

This is a cricket thread.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Would the ECB allow this?

Lets say ECB doesn't allow it. Afterall its their league. They will simply make financial losses.

How and who compensates them, i dont know

 

[cricketjoshila]

I guess we forgot that this rumor was by only 1 Indian franchise that is not open to Pakistani players and that has got to be the team that is actually owned by Mumbai Indians, they have never bought a Pakistani player even during when Pakistani players could play IPL..

Shahrukh Khan's team was and always have been open to Pakistani players though, even after the so called ban...

Rumour is that no indian franchisee is interested only the Glazers owned franchisee is interested.

 

[introvert]

It seems IPL teams and other Indian owners kneeled and gave up against nationalist forces back home.

CSA probably doesn't want any controversy in first season launchpad of their league.

Though There was a news about two central contracted pak players have applied for NOC to play in a lone UAE league team that's not owned by an Indian owner but it's still unclear and PCB unlikely to give them NOCs citing international commitments if rumors to be believed.

 

[Rana]

Lets say ECB doesn't allow it. Afterall its their league. They will simply make financial losses.

How and who compensates them, i dont know

I don’t think they are as greedy to allow discrimination for the sake of complete compensation

The franchise owners will have to understand that they cannot operate this way and will have to play by the rules

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don’t think they are as greedy to allow discrimination for the sake of complete compensation

The franchise owners will have to understand that they cannot operate this way and will have to play by the rules

Stanford happened where?

Franchisee owners have the money, if they have to compulsorily buy pakistanis they will skip this league.

It is ECB's loss.


Btw i am yet to see a rule that states Pakistanis are to be compulsorily picked by team owners.

 

[IMMY69]

Stanford happened where?

Franchisee owners have the money, if they have to compulsorily buy pakistanis they will skip this league.

It is ECB's loss.


Btw i am yet to see a rule that states Pakistanis are to be compulsorily picked by team owners.

Do even read your own posts?
Initially it was funny but it's now become extremely tedious.

Please stop arguing with your nationalist goggles on and try to be balanced.
It's really cringe worthy

 

[introvert]

If we dig deeper

There are total combined 12 teams across both tournaments. 11 out of 12 teams are owned by indians.

UAE league was supposed to have an auction or draft to recruit majority of players but now the league administration in desperation to beat CSA league, they have allowed to pick all 14 overseas player slots directly by teams themselves.

Now how will pak players play or demand NOC from PCB when they are not even approached for participation by indian owned teams in UAE league ? Only one team which is owned by non indian owner is supposed to be interested in recruiting few pak players.


Similarly CSA league has announced 29 overseas signings for their tournament and no pak player is among them.

Now the csa league administration allows only 3 overseas players to be picked outside draft/auction. That means rest of the 5 overseas slots in each team are still available to be filled through auction/draft.

What remain to seen is whether pak players gets listed in auction/draft?

If they are listed then whether indian owners pick them or ignores them like what happened during IPL auction in the past.

If they are not listed in the auction then who's is the real culprit? CSA or PCB if supposedly they don't give NOC because of PSL is starting right after this leagues finish.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Do even read your own posts?
Initially it was funny but it's now become extremely tedious.

Please stop arguing with your nationalist goggles on and try to be balanced.
It's really cringe worthy

Please stop saying that there is a rule that says Pakistanis have to be compulsorily hired.

 

[Savak]

BCCI have refused to give permission to Dhoni to be a mentor in the UAE T20 league and CSA league saying if he wishes to do so, he will have to completely retire from all sorts of Cricket and quit the IPL and have also further clarified that this policy applies to all Indian players in the Indian Cricket System (Contracted or Non Contracted).

No way will any indian player will dare go against the BCCI.

Also BCCI if reports are to believed is not happy with the IPL franchises buying teams in other leagues and have told them in private that being business owners, they have the right to do what they want but they better keep their affairs in the other leagues seperate from the IPL and not use their activities in the other leagues against the IPL.

 

[Mp812]

Netherlands look to manage in the absence of players currently participating in the Hundred and the Royal London Cup, with up to seven players currently playing in those two competitions are unavailable for national selection. Fred Klaassen, Colin Ackermann, Roelof van der Merwe, and Timm van der Gugten are all currently participating in the Hundred, with Paul van Meekeren, Shane Snater and Brandon Glover involved in England's domestic one-day competition.

Scott Edwards, who was named captain midway through Netherlands' series against England after Pieter Seelaar announced his retirement, takes charge of a full series for the first time.

Pakistan arrived in the Netherlands on Saturday and will play three ODIs on August 16, 18 and 21. All three games will be played at the Hazelaarweg Stadium in Rotterdam.

Netherlands squad: Scott Edwards (capt), Musa Ahmad, Shariz Ahmad, Wesley Barresi, Logan van Beek, Tom Cooper, Aryan Dutt, Arnav Jain, Viv Kingma, Ryan Klein, Bas de Leede, Teja Nidamanuru, Tim Pringle, Max O'Dowd,



So Netherlands first choice olayers busy playing leagues ahead of national duty?

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

Netherlands look to manage in the absence of players currently participating in the Hundred and the Royal London Cup, with up to seven players currently playing in those two competitions are unavailable for national selection. Fred Klaassen, Colin Ackermann, Roelof van der Merwe, and Timm van der Gugten are all currently participating in the Hundred, with Paul van Meekeren, Shane Snater and Brandon Glover involved in England's domestic one-day competition.

Scott Edwards, who was named captain midway through Netherlands' series against England after Pieter Seelaar announced his retirement, takes charge of a full series for the first time.

Pakistan arrived in the Netherlands on Saturday and will play three ODIs on August 16, 18 and 21. All three games will be played at the Hazelaarweg Stadium in Rotterdam.

Netherlands squad: Scott Edwards (capt), Musa Ahmad, Shariz Ahmad, Wesley Barresi, Logan van Beek, Tom Cooper, Aryan Dutt, Arnav Jain, Viv Kingma, Ryan Klein, Bas de Leede, Teja Nidamanuru, Tim Pringle, Max O'Dowd,



So Netherlands first choice olayers busy playing leagues ahead of national duty?

Why pakistan always gets C team ?

 

[Mp812]

Simple solution if its really the problem. Some Pakistani corporate or rich persons should buy some teams and pay Pakistani players to be part of the teams and they should boycott indian players or foriegn players who support ipl. Problem solved

 

[hitthestump]

So Netherlands first choice olayers busy playing leagues ahead of national duty?

It makes sense for them longer term. They will get more exposure and experience by keeping the ECB sweet with full Hundred attendance than they will from the odd touring international team.

Gonna be some humiliating scoreboards for NL though i imagine.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

The usual gung ho lets swing from the hip BCCI IPL is responsible for all evil come crawling out of the woodwork as usual. By the way has the BIG 3 now been updated to big 2 now that Aus toured pak or has Aus been replaced by NZ in the BIG 3 saazish stakes?

 

[introvert]

If we dig deeper

There are total combined 12 teams across both tournaments. 11 out of 12 teams are owned by indians.

UAE league was supposed to have an auction or draft to recruit majority of players but now the league administration in desperation to beat CSA league, they have allowed to pick all 14 overseas player slots directly by teams themselves.

Now how will pak players play or demand NOC from PCB when they are not even approached for participation by indian owned teams in UAE league ? Only one team which is owned by non indian owner is supposed to be interested in recruiting few pak players.


Similarly CSA league has announced 29 overseas signings for their tournament and no pak player is among them.

Now the csa league administration allows only 3 overseas players to be picked outside draft/auction. That means rest of the 5 overseas slots in each team are still available to be filled through auction/draft.

What remain to seen is whether pak players gets listed in auction/draft?

If they are listed then whether indian owners pick them or ignores them like what happened during IPL auction in the past.

If they are not listed in the auction then who's is the real culprit? CSA or PCB if supposedly they don't give NOC because of PSL is starting right after this leagues finish.

UAE league situation is clear now.

5 indian owned teams from UAE league have announced their squads and as expected no pak players is selected. Most likely these teams did not approached them fearing backlash from home so instead opted for Afghan and srilankan players to fill their squads.

Only one team from UAE t20 league is yet to announce it's squad and that team is owned by Manchester United fame "glazers". Let's see whether they pick any pak player or not.

CSA league player selection will be more interesting as teams have to pick players from auction/draft unlike UAE league which opted for direct signings this year. So if pak players get listed for auction/draft then only we may know that whether they are boycotted or not.

But judging by UAE league team selections we may see an auction snub like what happened with pak players in the IPL 2010 player auction.

 

[introvert]

Azam khan is lone pak player to be selected in UAE t20 league. Indian owners refrained from picking any pak player and pcb probably denied star players from taking part in the league.

Direct signing rule worked in favor of Indian team owners in UAE t20 league.

Let's see what happens in CSA t20 league in which there will be player auction. It will be interesting to see which pak player registers for auction considering possible boycott by Indian owners and pcb's role in noc for csa league.

 

[introvert]

According to news no pak player listed in preliminary auction list by CSA.

Graeme Smith, SA20 League Commissioner, seems to be holding out hope for them. In a communique on Friday, he informed the franchises that there may be some new addition to the register and some league officials have indicated that Pakistan players could be taking part in the league. "There is a supplementary list of players who have registered but are not currently on the list as we are awaiting to hear from the home boards of these players. Once we have further clarity we will update the list as soon as practicable," the former South Africa captain said.

It is understood that the CSA is waiting for formal consent from Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to release the names of the Pakistan players. "Unless PCB gives consent, CSA won't put names of Pakistan players," a SA20 official said.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-ne...er-to-be-part-of-auction-for-sa20-cricbuzzcom

 

[Savak]

According to news no pak player listed in preliminary auction list by CSA.

Graeme Smith, SA20 League Commissioner, seems to be holding out hope for them. In a communique on Friday, he informed the franchises that there may be some new addition to the register and some league officials have indicated that Pakistan players could be taking part in the league. "There is a supplementary list of players who have registered but are not currently on the list as we are awaiting to hear from the home boards of these players. Once we have further clarity we will update the list as soon as practicable," the former South Africa captain said.

It is understood that the CSA is waiting for formal consent from Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to release the names of the Pakistan players. "Unless PCB gives consent, CSA won't put names of Pakistan players," a SA20 official said.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-ne...er-to-be-part-of-auction-for-sa20-cricbuzzcom

PCB needs to be smart. Allowing Pak players to participate in the SA league will make CSA consider releasing their players for the PSL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Raina has retired from all Indian cricket, likely to play for one of the Indian franchisee.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Couple of points:

1. Owning a cricket team is private business and like any other business, whom to hire and whom not to is strictly under the discretion of the owner.

2. How would govt of these countries prove it is discrimination? Owners can simply say that no Pak players are good enough (skill wise) to play for my team and don't fit into our plans. Though we know it is not true but since its subjective, it is tough to prove otherwise.

Both your points are ridiculous and not how discrimination laws work in any “civilized” society

 

[cricketjoshila]

Both your points are ridiculous and not how discrimination laws work in any “civilized” society

So SA and UAE are not civilized society?

As mentioned in this thread, UK or US banks dont do business with Russian entities, even from branches in India.

Likewise, Indian owners will not hire any pakistani.

Suppose a board has a policy that owners has to hire pakistanis. Indians won't invest in that league.

 

[introvert]

So no pak player in UAE t20 league and SA20 league.

UAE t20 league opted for direct signings to recruit players hence indian owners most likely ignored pak players. Only azam khan was picked by the team which is owned by non Indian. And now Azam Khan's name is no longer mentioned in the squad which means he has most likely backed out of the tournament.

SA20 organized player auction to recruit players but no pak player appeared even in the auction list. Most likely pcb didn't gave noc to anyone hence they were not even listed in the auction.

 

[Local.Dada]

It’s a tamasha league and not Olympic sports. They can hire players from China if they think that will help their product .This isn’t about skills etc.

Also UAE for years has been Pakistans home ground and I believe PCB have very good relations with South African cricket board. PCB should take it up with them because obviously a private cricket league can’t happen without their permission and stake in the event. The franchises can hire whom they please.

 

[mastermind_quad]

As an Indian I love IPL very much and I feel proud of it and even brag about it being an Indian cricket League.

Even though I would like Pakistani players to be part of it but I am still ok with it because of all situation between these two countries.

But the point here is Pakistani player not in foreign leagues team owned by Indian which seems wrong to me from a cricket fan points of view.

I am not thinking how to prove whether discrimination or not, business point of view, it's there money , etc for me how I can call myself a cricket fan if I don't see wrong in it. I should join politics or business legal team.

 

[ZafarKhan2022]

Couple of points:

1. Owning a cricket team is private business and like any other business, whom to hire and whom not to is strictly under the discretion of the owner.

You’re still not allowed to discriminate based on nationality in hiring practices, at least not in most democracies around the world.

 

[ZafarKhan2022]

The ICC rightfully enacted a Black Lives Matter initiative during the World Cup a few months ago but has been silent in the face of over a decade long culture of discrimination against Pakistani players by the IPL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ICC rightfully enacted a Black Lives Matter initiative during the World Cup a few months ago but has been silent in the face of over a decade long culture of discrimination against Pakistani players by the IPL.

Pakistani players are not allowed in India, govt wont give them visa.

 

[Rana]

Pakistani players are not allowed in India, govt wont give them visa.

But then you cry when PCB demands visa guarantee to the ICC for their tournaments

 

[Fenrir]

Not playing in IPL is not a big deal.There are plenty of other leagues like CPL,Virality Blast,Hundred,PSL,Bangla and Sri Lanka leagues.IPL offers a lot of money but cricketers are now doing very well.There are certainly better off than their average fellow citizens.If one is greedy then money will never be enough.

 

[ZafarKhan2022]

Pakistani players are not allowed in India, govt wont give them visa.

So are we allowed to ask that the ICC ask questions about why Pakistani players have been discriminated against for 14 years by the IPL based on their nationality alone? The ICC rightfully had a campaign for Black Lives Matter at the 2021 ICC T20 World Cup and had stood firmly against apartheid in South Africa. Are we allowed to ask if the ICC and the BCCI believe Pakistani Lives Matter?

 

[Bewal Express]

So are we allowed to ask that the ICC ask questions about why Pakistani players have been discriminated against for 14 years by the IPL based on their nationality alone? The ICC rightfully had a campaign for Black Lives Matter at the 2021 ICC T20 World Cup and had stood firmly against apartheid in South Africa. Are we allowed to ask if the ICC and the BCCI believe Pakistani Lives Matter?

No. their money, their choices. End of story.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So are we allowed to ask that the ICC ask questions about why Pakistani players have been discriminated against for 14 years by the IPL based on their nationality alone? The ICC rightfully had a campaign for Black Lives Matter at the 2021 ICC T20 World Cup and had stood firmly against apartheid in South Africa. Are we allowed to ask if the ICC and the BCCI believe Pakistani Lives Matter?

No for india, pakistan is a hostile nation and pakistanis are not allowed to earn money in India. ICC or anyone cannot question the foreign policy of any sovereign nation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Apparently Rameez Raja has raised this issue with some boards but their reply is unknown.