IPL franchise owners openly being allowed to discriminate in non-Indian leagues?

[Rana]

Reading all the news, updates coming through in regards to IPL owners buying teams in South African franchise league and BBL. Apparently some have openly declared zero intention to hire Pakistani cricketers due to the current ban on them in IPL.

I don’t understand how the governments of the nations allowing these IPL franchise owners to openly discriminate like this in their countries? South Africa openly prides its quota system as a response to historical racial discrimination, whilst Australia is on its own mission to remove perceptions of not being accepting to diversity.

If this really is the case, have these questions been posed to the government officials of these nations or are they knowingly putting a blind eye over this issue? Eventually, these owners will buy 90% franchises in all foreign cricket leagues and that means Pakistani players will just be ousted all together from world cricket?

 

[Rajdeep]

Couple of points:

1. Owning a cricket team is private business and like any other business, whom to hire and whom not to is strictly under the discretion of the owner.

2. How would govt of these countries prove it is discrimination? Owners can simply say that no Pak players are good enough (skill wise) to play for my team and don't fit into our plans. Though we know it is not true but since its subjective, it is tough to prove otherwise.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

South Africa is the perfect place to discriminate against others.

 

[Rana]

Couple of points:

1. Owning a cricket team is private business and like any other business, whom to hire and whom not to is strictly under the discretion of the owner.

2. How would govt of these countries prove it is discrimination? Owners can simply say that no Pak players are good enough (skill wise) to play for my team and don't fit into our plans. Though we know it is not true but since its subjective, it is tough to prove otherwise.

Point 2. Yes I suppose the entire world and government officials have FOOL written on their forehead

 

[Rajdeep]

Point 2. Yes I suppose the entire world and government officials have FOOL written on their forehead

They aren't but how would they prove it otherwise. Official stance of IPL owners back in 2010 when no Pak players were selected in auction were - none of them were good enough. We all knew that was not the case but there was no legal way of proving it was discrimination unless someone secretly does a sting operation and take video of owners saying real reasoning behind the scenes and present it to govt.

 

[Rana]

You’ve got to hand it to Indians/Pro BJP+ Modi supporters for their ability to try and justify nonsense let me tell you.

 

[Rana]

The point is, the discrimination that Pakistani cricketers suffer in India is accepted and overlooked by others because Pakistan are on war ties with India atm. It is fair to say that others should mind their own business if they hope to profit from Indian money.

However, to extend that discrimination into other countries that have cordial ties with both Pakistan and India due to healthy migrant populations from these countries is unacceptable. I would love to see the outrage by the English cricket fans if this ever happens in the UK

 

[IMMY69]

I do find it extremely strange that such discrimination can take place so openly in the 21st Century.

If Pakistan had some bottle they would stop playing India FULL STOP

 

[Unleashed]

OP what's your source for this news?

IPL owners have some teams in CPL as it is and I think most of the CPL teams have had a Pakistani player in the past. Is it that god awful website Inside Sport or something?

 

[IMMY69]

OP what's your source for this news?

IPL owners some teams in CPL as it is and I think most of the CPL teams have had a Pakistani player in the past.

There are quotes saying that they don't want to suffer backlash from the Indian People.
So its ok to own teams in foreign countries and not pick players from a certain country that may cause backlash? Why then set up leagues in a foreign country?

It is discrimination at the highest level.

 

[Unleashed]

There are quotes saying that they don't want to suffer backlash from the Indian People.
So its ok to own teams in foreign countries and not pick players from a certain country that may cause backlash? Why then set up leagues in a foreign country?

It is discrimination at the highest level.

I'm asking for a source, where have you read the news?

 

[introvert]

Unless pak players apply for draft in csa t20 league, we can't know whether Indian owners will purposefully ignores them or not. Right now it's just a wild guess imo.

I don't think IPL team owners really care about political dynamics outside India. They know that Indian government or nationalists can't dictate much outside their home.

When Indian players themselves are not allowed to participate then why would they block pak players when they actually need them to make tournament more successful.

 

[Rana]

I'm asking for a source, where have you read the news?

If I had clear cut sourced I wouldn’t be using words such as ‘apparently’ and posing question marks on my statements.

Now please don’t go around saying I am making things up and creating a fuss out of nothing, because I know I am not.

 

[Rana]

Unless pak players apply for draft in csa t20 league, we can't know whether Indian owners will purposefully ignores them or not. Right now it's just a wild guess imo.

I don't think IPL team owners really care about political dynamics outside India. They know that Indian government or nationalists can't dictate much outside their home.

When Indian players themselves are not allowed to participate then why would they block pak players when they actually need them to make tournament more successful.

But I am sure the Indian government must have something in place to cancel their affiliation with Business owners who go against their national policy. They will replace them with other business owners who are in the queue to take a bite from the cash cowl IPL.

 

[Unleashed]

If I had clear cut sourced I wouldn’t be using words such as ‘apparently’ and posing question marks on my statements.

Now please don’t go around saying I am making things up and creating a fuss out of nothing, because I know I am not.

Reading your posts, I think I'm gonna assume you're lying.

We are supposed to believe your "sources"? Give me a break. It seems you created a thread to portray some conspiracy against Pakistan and there was nothing to back it up. Garbage.

Plus there's also a fact that Pakistani players have played for Indian owned CPL teams in the past, and nobody gave a ****.

 

[Varun]

Pakistan cricket fans should have the confidence to state that the league will heavily dilute in quality without their players and it will be to the franchise's detriment.

Especially if it's only 1 team that doesn't have Pakistani players - they will lose against the other teams in the league for want of quality cricketers from Pakistan.

 

[IMMY69]

I'm asking for a source, where have you read the news?

https://circleofcricket.com/categor...rs-in-south-africa-and-uae-t20-leagues-report

 

[Rana]

Pakistan cricket fans should have the confidence to state that the league will heavily dilute in quality without their players and it will be to the franchise's detriment.

Especially if it's only 1 team that doesn't have Pakistani players - they will lose against the other teams in the league for want of quality cricketers from Pakistan.

Why should Pakistani players only be eligible to play for one team only and not be allowed to work for the other 4 in the first place? That too outside of India?

 

[IMMY69]

Pakistan cricket fans should have the confidence to state that the league will heavily dilute in quality without their players and it will be to the franchise's detriment.

Especially if it's only 1 team that doesn't have Pakistani players - they will lose against the other teams in the league for want of quality cricketers from Pakistan.

Bhai, its one thing banning players from Pakistan in India and refusing to play Bi Laterals.
Its another thing altogether when that discrimination takes place on a foreign soil when the league is called "UAE' or South African" league.

No one should go with a begging bowl which is why I honestly think that Pakistan, if it had any self esteem (which I don't think it does), should just stop playing India altogether. Have some self respect. The PCB, its players and the 99.99pct of its fan base are not against India or its people, its a narrative sold by the current Indian Government, and using cricket like this is just petty.

 

[introvert]

But I am sure the Indian government must have something in place to cancel their affiliation with Business owners who go against their national policy. They will replace them with other business owners who are in the queue to take a bite from the cash cowl IPL.

You are overthink it.

Government or bcci can't control IPL owner's business interest outside India. They can't drop any team owner for petty reason like this.

Trust me if this was possible BCCI would have blocked IPL owners from buying teams in uae and csa t20 leagues.

It's not like that average Indian cricket fan turn off their TVs or change channel when they encounter a pak player on screen. Pak matches including PSL are still broadcasted in India without any resistance from media or fans.

 

[IMMY69]

You are overthink it.

Government or bcci can't control IPL owner's business interest outside India. They can't drop any team owner for petty reason like this.

Trust me if this was possible BCCI would have blocked IPL owners from buying teams in uae and csa t20 leagues.

It's not like that average Indian cricket fan turn off their TVs or change channel when they encounter a pak player on screen. Pak matches including PSL are still broadcasted in India without any resistance from media or fans.

Ok so then we why haven't any Pakistani players been picked up for the UAE league?

 

[Rajdeep]

Ok so then we why haven't any Pakistani players been picked up for the UAE league?

I thought PCB didnt gave a NOC for players to participate on these leagues.

 

[introvert]

Ok so then we why haven't any Pakistani players been picked up for the UAE league?

Let matter become clear then only we could know. Right now It's unclear whether PCB gave noc or not.

 

[IMMY69]

I thought PCB didnt gave a NOC for players to participate on these leagues.

https://cricxtasy.com/news/pcb-rubbishes-claims-that-pakistan-players-cant-play-bbl/cid8176119.htm

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Amir, Wahab Riaz, Azam Khan and Yasir Shah played CPL last year from teams owned by IPL owners.

 

[Rana]

Who’s asking IPL franchise owners to monopolise the business in other countries and then bringing their bogus anti-Pakistan agenda fully into those external leagues as well??

What self entitlement?? Pakistani fringe cricketers have been fully participating with equality in all other leagues around the world besides IPL

 

[cricketjoshila]

The point is, the discrimination that Pakistani cricketers suffer in India is accepted and overlooked by others because Pakistan are on war ties with India atm. It is fair to say that others should mind their own business if they hope to profit from Indian money.

However, to extend that discrimination into other countries that have cordial ties with both Pakistan and India due to healthy migrant populations from these countries is unacceptable. I would love to see the outrage by the English cricket fans if this ever happens in the UK

If you want Indians to put in their money then they will do that at their terms, England South Africa. UAE Australia doesn't matter.

I own a team, i get to decide who i play.

If you want pakistanis, ask a Pakistani to buy a team.

All you guys do is cry victim.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Who’s asking IPL franchise owners to monopolise the business in other countries and then bringing their bogus anti-Pakistan agenda fully into those external leagues as well??

What self entitlement?? Pakistani fringe cricketers have been fully participating with equality in all other leagues around the world besides IPL

Who is asking? The organizing boards are asking people to buy the teams and Indians are paying the highest price.

This sense of entitlement that Indian team owners ought to buy pakistani players. They wont. Its their money.

Why don't pakistanis buy a few teams?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Unless pak players apply for draft in csa t20 league, we can't know whether Indian owners will purposefully ignores them or not. Right now it's just a wild guess imo.

I don't think IPL team owners really care about political dynamics outside India. They know that Indian government or nationalists can't dictate much outside their home.

When Indian players themselves are not allowed to participate then why would they block pak players when they actually need them to make tournament more successful.

IPL owners have said they don't want to buy pakistani players because 1. They don't want to deal with PCB. 2. They will have to face backlash from fans in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why should Pakistani players only be eligible to play for one team only and not be allowed to work for the other 4 in the first place? That too outside of India?

Because the owner has the right to decide who he wants to hire.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are overthink it.

Government or bcci can't control IPL owner's business interest outside India. They can't drop any team owner for petty reason like this.

Trust me if this was possible BCCI would have blocked IPL owners from buying teams in uae and csa t20 leagues.

It's not like that average Indian cricket fan turn off their TVs or change channel when they encounter a pak player on screen. Pak matches including PSL are still broadcasted in India without any resistance from media or fans.

BCCI actually has no issues with owners buying teams in other leagues.

IPL is banned in pakistan, so a ban on PSL wont be surprising.

The owners will face public backlash in India, their main HQ if they hire pakistanis.

 

[Rana]

Because the owner has the right to decide who he wants to hire.

So the owners are racist?

 

[Rana]

If you want Indians to put in their money then they will do that at their terms, England South Africa. UAE Australia doesn't matter.

I own a team, i get to decide who i play.

If you want pakistanis, ask a Pakistani to buy a team.

All you guys do is cry victim.

All we do is cry victim? Which other nationality of cricketer is disallowed to represent IPL owners?

 

[Rana]

Reading your posts, I think I'm gonna assume you're lying.

We are supposed to believe your "sources"? Give me a break. It seems you created a thread to portray some conspiracy against Pakistan and there was nothing to back it up. Garbage.

Plus there's also a fact that Pakistani players have played for Indian owned CPL teams in the past, and nobody gave a ****.

IPL owners have said they don't want to buy pakistani players because 1. They don't want to deal with PCB. 2. They will have to face backlash from fans in India.

I’m still lying am I? Confirmed by the BCCI/BJP spokesperson here

 

[Rana]

I do find it extremely strange that such discrimination can take place so openly in the 21st Century.

If Pakistan had some bottle they would stop playing India FULL STOP

Why do you find it strange? No one will speak up for Pakistani discrimination especially when it is a country that openly does not consider the existence of Israel as a nation.

 

[introvert]

IPL owners have said they don't want to buy pakistani players because 1. They don't want to deal with PCB. 2. They will have to face backlash from fans in India.

There were 5 pak players in cpl 2021 team squads owned IPL owners. If they had no problem in 2021 then why they would have a problem in 2022/2023.

Maybe few idiots would run a Twitter trend against owner but other than that I don't see anybody else care about it.

If pcb gives noc then I fully back few pak players to find spot in each uae t20 league team as they need to field 9 international players in playing 11.

 

[IMMY69]

Why do you find it strange? No one will speak up for Pakistani discrimination especially when it is a country that openly does not consider the existence of Israel as a nation.

I find it strange that a company operating in a foreign land can exclude people from another country.

 

[JaDed]

Who is asking? The organizing boards are asking people to buy the teams and Indians are paying the highest price.

This sense of entitlement that Indian team owners ought to buy pakistani players. They wont. Its their money.

Why don't pakistanis buy a few teams?

They are not supposed to discriminate, don’t let your hatred go beyond a point.

GOI has no say in the matter and Pak has some of the top T20 players, ridiculous if you are suggesting otherwise.

 

[JaDed]

It is discriminatory , and it should be made an example of, they also don’t have the excuse of GOI.

 

[JaDed]

This is equivalent to leagues not hiring based on color- absolute disgrace, hopefully it’s not an official statement.

 

[JaDed]

Because the owner has the right to decide who he wants to hire.

That’s not how it works a across the world with discrimination, to explain something so basic is ridiculous, this is not in India where NOC are the issue, if the #1 T20 player is available to play and teams don’t select him because of his nationality that is discrimination.

 

[JaDed]

As per some posters: If you own the business you can discriminate against best suited candidates due to their nationality/color/race/gender, that’s not how it works.

 

[MenInG]

As per some posters: If you own the business you can discriminate against best suited candidates due to their nationality/color/race/gender, that’s not how it works.

Think its called the Jiskee lathee uskee bhains system

 

[IMMY69]

That’s not how it works a across the world with discrimination, to explain something so basic is ridiculous, this is not in India where NOC are the issue, if the #1 T20 player is available to play and teams don’t select him because of his nationality that is discrimination.

Thank you.
Words of reason.

It doesn't always have to be made out like an India Vs Pakistan war every single time. The face of nationalism should be put away and only come out when it actually affects the country.
We should all be able to criticise any country that discriminates and especially so on foreign soil.

If this were Pakistan acting this way I would be disgusted at them (in fact it would be just another reason to feel angry at the Government/State).

 

[cricketjoshila]

All we do is cry victim? Which other nationality of cricketer is disallowed to represent IPL owners?

Doesn't matter. Its their money. They have the right to decide who they buy. No one can force them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So the owners are racist?

No. They are pragmatic.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As per some posters: If you own the business you can discriminate against best suited candidates due to their nationality/color/race/gender, that’s not how it works.

Who decides who is the best candidate? You and I can't. Its the business administration that does.

 

[Rajdeep]

As per some posters: If you own the business you can discriminate against best suited candidates due to their nationality/color/race/gender, that’s not how it works.

It is bit of a double edge sword. How can anyone prove it is discrimination? Owners can simply turn around and say we have not picked Pakistani players due to cricketing reason....their skillset dont fall into the category of cricket we are trying to adopt and hence we have not bought them. Though we know it is not true but there is no way to prove otherwise.

Govt of those countries can't intervene and force franchise owners to buy Pak players for the sake of diversity. If they do, owners would pull out from the league and the host country will lose money. Why would they be willing to lose money for Pakistan?

MI emirate team for example is a subsidiary of Mumbai Indians. If they hire any Pak players, the brand value of MI will take a major hit in India immidiately with sponsors pulling out, people boycotting watching MI games etc. So IPL owners simply cant take the risk. Now if UAE govt force MI emirates to buy Pak players, they would pull off from doing business and UAE league will lose money. UAE govt will never do that to appease Pakistan. There is no benefit in it for them.

There is no solution for this problem and thats why I said its a double edge sword.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There were 5 pak players in cpl 2021 team squads owned IPL owners. If they had no problem in 2021 then why they would have a problem in 2022/2023.

Maybe few idiots would run a Twitter trend against owner but other than that I don't see anybody else care about it.

If pcb gives noc then I fully back few pak players to find spot in each uae t20 league team as they need to field 9 international players in playing 11.

There are credible reports in media where indian team owners have said that they won't buy pakistani players.

CPL is not that popular in India. Uae and SA league are getting a lot of media coverage plus their match timings will be prime time in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are not supposed to discriminate, don’t let your hatred go beyond a point.

GOI has no say in the matter and Pak has some of the top T20 players, ridiculous if you are suggesting otherwise.

The reason given by indian owners are:

1. They don't want to deal with PCB.

2.They anticipate back lash from Indian fans.

They are supposed to be pragmatic and they are being that. They don't want to deal with a difficult board. They don't want to anger their customers back home.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That’s not how it works a across the world with discrimination, to explain something so basic is ridiculous, this is not in India where NOC are the issue, if the #1 T20 player is available to play and teams don’t select him because of his nationality that is discrimination.

Prove discrimination.

Secondly can any board or country force a team to buy XYZ player?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Which player abused India and its people?

Everyone who supports secession of Kashmir from India.

 

[JaDed]

Who decides who is the best candidate? You and I can't. Its the business administration that does.

The #1 ranking literally..

 

[IMMY69]

Who decides who is the best candidate? You and I can't. Its the business administration that does.

thats exactly how it doesn't work!
nationality & colour should never come in to it.
The only criteria should be ability

 

[JaDed]

The reason given by indian owners are:

1. They don't want to deal with PCB.

2.They anticipate back lash from Indian fans.

They are supposed to be pragmatic and they are being that. They don't want to deal with a difficult board. They don't want to anger their customers back home.

Now imagine if this is what Corporations said:

1. They don’t want to deal with blacks
2. They anticipate backlash from White people.

 

[JaDed]

It is bit of a double edge sword. How can anyone prove it is discrimination? Owners can simply turn around and say we have not picked Pakistani players due to cricketing reason....their skillset dont fall into the category of cricket we are trying to adopt and hence we have not bought them. Though we know it is not true but there is no way to prove otherwise.

Govt of those countries can't intervene and force franchise owners to buy Pak players for the sake of diversity. If they do, owners would pull out from the league and the host country will lose money. Why would they be willing to lose money for Pakistan?

MI emirate team for example is a subsidiary of Mumbai Indians. If they hire any Pak players, the brand value of MI will take a major hit in India immidiately with sponsors pulling out, people boycotting watching MI games etc. So IPL owners simply cant take the risk. Now if UAE govt force MI emirates to buy Pak players, they would pull off from doing business and UAE league will lose money. UAE govt will never do that to appease Pakistan. There is no benefit in it for them.

There is no solution for this problem and thats why I said its a double edge sword.

9 foreign players and not one top level Pakistani player featured? Yeah it is discrimination and in all Western nations they would be investigated.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The #1 ranking literally..

No it doesn't. There are other things like team composition, tactics, availability of the player and the economic and image reasons.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Now imagine if this is what Corporations said:

1. They don’t want to deal with blacks
2. They anticipate backlash from White people.

2. Isnt true, so 1 doesn't make sense.

 

[JaDed]

I don’t want to even argue anymore, this is ridiculous even for our South Asian standards.

 

[JaDed]

2. Isnt true, so 1 doesn't make sense.

What you mean isn’t true? Have you read about history of baseball in US?

https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/bases-divide-racial-segregation-major-league/ken-burns-baseball-video-gallery/

 

[cricketjoshila]

9 foreign players and not one top level Pakistani player featured? Yeah it is discrimination and in all Western nations they would be investigated.

Investigated? So owners will be forced to buy pakistanis?

Lets assume that hundred allows foreign and private owners . Indians buy majority of the teams. There is a draft and the teams don't choose a pakistani.

Will the ECB force the team owners? Can they?

 

[cricketjoshila]

What you mean isn’t true? Have you read about history of baseball in US?

https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/re...ajor-league/ken-burns-baseball-video-gallery/

Thats 50 years old. I am talking about now.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don’t want to even argue anymore, this is ridiculous even for our South Asian standards.

No Indian owner will risk hiring a Pakistani.

Lets say the hire X from pakistan.

Tommorow X says he supports kashmir's secession from India and calls Modi a fascist and to top it calls the terrorist there as freedom fighters.

What will happen to the indian company, its image etc in India?

 

[sweep_shot]

Now imagine if this is what Corporations said:

1. They don’t want to deal with blacks
2. They anticipate backlash from White people.

This.

Good analogy.

If Pakistani players are barred from these leagues, that's clear discrimination.

 

[Titan24]

Couple of points:

1. Owning a cricket team is private business and like any other business, whom to hire and whom not to is strictly under the discretion of the owner.

Not at all how legal private businesses are allowed to operate. Even the private enterprises and businesses (Operating in a legal and registered manner) have to follow certain laws, rules and protocols. Non-discrimination and equal treatment is the basic part of any HR policy you will see and any industry association operating in a legally registered manner. Yes some owners can still discriminate and impacted people might not raise it but, I am pretty sure this league is allowed by ICC which is an official international sporting body for cricket so its definitely bounded by the basic HR regulations and rights. At the same time two team CPL owners who also own IPL teams had Pakistani players in their teams.

As per league's official it was the Pakistan's player schedule which didn't allow for this season however rumors of franchises not considering Pak players have been floating around.

Just to be clear, as a Pak fan not at all fan of our players playing random leagues. If at all its the loss of the league itself in this season.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This.

Good analogy.

If Pakistani players are barred from these leagues, that's clear discrimination.

Thats a false analogy. Whites wont protest if a company hires Blacks. But many Indians will protest if a team hires pakistanis.

The correct analogy is the western boycott of Russians.

Why don't you ask Bangladeshis to buy a team and then hire whoever they want. I hear Bangladeshis talking about some Walton group all the time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not at all how legal private businesses are allowed to operate. Even the private enterprises and businesses (Operating in a legal and registered manner) have to follow certain laws, rules and protocols. Non-discrimination and equal treatment is the basic part of any HR policy you will see and any industry association operating in a legally registered manner. Yes some owners can still discriminate and impacted people might not raise it but, I am pretty sure this league is allowed by ICC which is an official international sporting body for cricket so its definitely bounded by the basic HR regulations and rights. At the same time two team CPL owners who also own IPL teams had Pakistani players in their teams.

As per league's official it was the Pakistan's player schedule which didn't allow for this season however rumors of franchises not considering Pak players have been floating around.

Just to be clear, as a Pak fan not at all fan of our players playing random leagues. If at all its the loss of the league itself in this season.

ICC cannot do anything here.

What will ICC do if Indian owners dont sign pakistani players? Will they force them? Will any government force them?

Indian owners have already made it clear that they wont buy pakistani players.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Reading all the news, updates coming through in regards to IPL owners buying teams in South African franchise league and BBL. Apparently some have openly declared zero intention to hire Pakistani cricketers due to the current ban on them in IPL.

I don’t understand how the governments of the nations allowing these IPL franchise owners to openly discriminate like this in their countries? South Africa openly prides its quota system as a response to historical racial discrimination, whilst Australia is on its own mission to remove perceptions of not being accepting to diversity.

If this really is the case, have these questions been posed to the government officials of these nations or are they knowingly putting a blind eye over this issue? Eventually, these owners will buy 90% franchises in all foreign cricket leagues and that means Pakistani players will just be ousted all together from world cricket?

Well not all cricket but Indian owned teams.

 

[sweep_shot]

Thats a false analogy. Whites wont protest if a company hires Blacks. But many Indians will protest if a team hires pakistanis.

The correct analogy is the western boycott of Russians.

It has nothing to do with protest or outrage. It would be considered as discrimination even if there is zero protest.

Look up definition of discrimination.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It has nothing to do with protest or outrage. It would be considered as discrimination even if there is zero protest.

Look up definition of discrimination.

If there is zero protest, then teams would hire pakistanis. But they know that they would face backlash in India hence no pakistani.

 

[Titan24]

ICC cannot do anything here.

What will ICC do if Indian owners dont sign pakistani players? Will they force them? Will any government force them?

Indian owners have already made it clear that they wont buy pakistani players.

As said, least interested in their stance or Pak players playing “another league”. Was just clarifying that private businesses can’t really operate as they wish and start discriminating. I cant open a private business and start violation of human rights and basic HR regulations by saying hey its private. In IPL it’s different as BCCI as a board and even Indian Govt has a certain stance which is not the case with CSA and SA govt.

Main responsibility lies with CSA. However, if owners don’t want then the way cricketing world works won’t be surprised if this critical issue of discrimination under the umbrella of CSA and ICC gets buried even when owners were foolish enough to openly admit to it (As per rumours) and CSA official had to justify it (Luckily but as able to take support of the schedule of Pak players).

 

[cricketjoshila]

As said, least interested in their stance or Pak players playing “another league”. Was just clarifying that private businesses can’t really operate as they wish and start discriminating. I cant open a private business and start violation of human rights and basic HR regulations by saying hey its private. In IPL it’s different as BCCI as a board and even Indian Govt has a certain stance which is not the case with CSA and SA govt.

Main responsibility lies with CSA. However, if owners don’t want then the way cricketing world works won’t be surprised if this critical issue of discrimination under the umbrella of CSA and ICC gets buried even when owners were foolish enough to openly admit to it (As per rumours) and CSA official had to justify it (Luckily but as able to take support of the schedule of Pak players).

First of all, a person cannot say he has the right to be hired by any company. All this HR rules you are talking about will not come into play as the owners have genuine reasons to not hire pakistanis.

Leave CSA or SA govt.

Will ECB and UK government force team owners?

 

[Rana]

Reading your posts, I think I'm gonna assume you're lying.

We are supposed to believe your "sources"? Give me a break. It seems you created a thread to portray some conspiracy against Pakistan and there was nothing to back it up. Garbage.

Plus there's also a fact that Pakistani players have played for Indian owned CPL teams in the past, and nobody gave a ****.

IPL owners have said they don't want to buy pakistani players because 1. They don't want to deal with PCB. 2. They will have to face backlash from fans in India.

First of all, a person cannot say he has the right to be hired by any company. All this HR rules you are talking about will not come into play as the owners have genuine reasons to not hire pakistanis.

Leave CSA or SA govt.

Will ECB and UK government force team owners?

You have no clue how ECB and the cricket or general public here will react if Pakistani players or players of any nation/gender or sexual orientation are discriminated against by owners of companies operating business in the UK

 

[Savak]

Indians control the money in world cricket. Cannot blame them for wanting to take maximum advantage of it. Pakistani's have only themselves to blame for constantly accepting PML N, PPP rule and PML N, PPP conspiracies when out of power. When you consistently tolerate bad leadership which loots, plunders and impoverishes the country then we as a nation have only ourselves to blame. Today India and Bangladesh are economically far ahead of Pakistan.

 

[Titan24]

First of all, a person cannot say he has the right to be hired by any company. All this HR rules you are talking about will not come into play as the owners have genuine reasons to not hire pakistanis.

Leave CSA or SA govt.

Will ECB and UK government force team owners?

When did I say a person can say “hey I have right to be hired”? Lol.

Yes the person at any company in a society governed by rules deserves to be judged on merit and without discrimination. Here the rumoured statement by a franchise owner is clear discrimination against a group of players in a league which is open for overseas employees.

Their personal or their own country’s personal stance or reason don't take priority over CSA and South Africa’s own rules, laws based upon which the organizations and private entities operate in SA. Their rules and regulations are highly stringent with regards to anti-discrimination policies and equal treatment. Private league operating in SA, whoever it is owned by is no different.

Again ECB will have very stringent laws regarding discrimination based upon race, religion, nationality etc. unless there is something in the foreign policy upon which the local laws have exemptions.

 

[Rana]

When did I say a person can say “hey I have right to be hired”? Lol.

Yes the person at any company in a society governed by rules deserves to be judged on merit and without discrimination. Here the rumoured statement by a franchise owner is clear discrimination against a group of players in a league which is open for overseas employees.

Their personal or their own country’s personal stance or reason don't take priority over CSA and South Africa’s own rules, laws based upon which the organizations and private entities operate in SA. Their rules and regulations are highly stringent with regards to anti-discrimination policies and equal treatment. Private league operating in SA, whoever it is owned by is no different.

Again ECB will have very stringent laws regarding discrimination based upon race, religion, nationality etc. unless there is something in the foreign policy upon which the local laws have exemptions.

Exactly

My personal view is that this will explode and the boards will have to give in to public demand instead of the financial influence of the franchise owners. This would be the right way to go. I hope I am not wrong but I trust the anti discrimination laws in these civilised countries

 

[cricketjoshila]

Exactly

My personal view is that this will explode and the boards will have to give in to public demand instead of the financial influence of the franchise owners. This would be the right way to go. I hope I am not wrong but I trust the anti discrimination laws in these civilised countries

Explode and do what? Indians will walk away with their money and ECB can hire anyone. But who will fill the financial gap?

If UK government gets involved, Indian government will get involved too. Just like UK companies wont deal with Russians, Indian ones won't deal with pakistanis.

 

[Rana]

Explode and do what? Indians will walk away with their money and ECB can hire anyone. But who will fill the financial gap?

If UK government gets involved, Indian government will get involved too. Just like UK companies wont deal with Russians, Indian ones won't deal with pakistanis.

So why doesn’t the Indian government get involved and stop the ICC forcing India to play Pakistan in its events? Who are you throwing these threats at?

 

[Titan24]

Exactly

My personal view is that this will explode and the boards will have to give in to public demand instead of the financial influence of the franchise owners. This would be the right way to go. I hope I am not wrong but I trust the anti discrimination laws in these civilised countries

Yes this is how it should go but, considering how the cricketing world operates I wont be surprised if they come up with something to bury it atleast for sometime.

Their official however has given reason of schedule as they had to clarify it because a SA league irrespective of where the owners are from cant openly discriminate.

 

[msb314]

Everyone who supports secession of Kashmir from India.

So which active player he publicly said that?